https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/sports/theres-a-lot-of-giants-skepticism-in-nfl-circles/
he is usually pro giants insider they use to get the word out....
this is great news...
maybe Mara is leaking that hey this is all on daboll/schoen, i am butting out....
i still think bring back Tyrod. worst case with Tyrod you get a decent eval of the OL/coaching staff/talent on the offensive side of the ball to start the season if DJ cant go. it was never a shit show with Tyrod.
after you bring in Tyrod you let the chip fall where they may on draft night.
Yet we do have examples of many players saying that HOF coaches have been pains in the ass.
So what is the issue here?
Are you guys losing faith in Daboll because he may be too tough/critical?
My guess is you wouldn't be making this argument had the Giants won the NFC East.
So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?
If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?
I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test
Again….back it up
So which is it? Does he have a QB and should perform better? Or is his QB situation poor, but he should still be doing better?
Yet we do have examples of many players saying that HOF coaches have been pains in the ass.
So what is the issue here?
Are you guys losing faith in Daboll because he may be too tough/critical?
My guess is you wouldn't be making this argument had the Giants won the NFC East.
Be careful Eric….
You’ll be accused of having a burner account for the front office 😁
And Wink is out of the NFL.
Daboll may or may not be a joy at the beach, but the only real evidence of any sort of issue is the Daboll-Martindale divorce.
Eric, 2 things.
I'm fine with a tough coach.
Wink is an ass.
Doesn't change my belief that Daboll had some issues this year. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.
So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?
If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?
I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test
Again….back it up
Back what up? All you have to do is see your name asking for proof from any posters' views or opinions criticizing somebody at 1925 Giants Drive. Smell it yourself.
So which is it? Does he have a QB and should perform better? Or is his QB situation poor, but he should still be doing better?
You're correct, but I look at even from deeper psychological viewpoint.
When the Giants won last year, fans were thrilled with Daboll's "passion" after dramatic wins.
When the Giants started losing again in 2023, the same fans who say "X should be cut right after the game" or "this franchise has become too tolerant of losing" are also arguing that the head coach is "too mean," "too critical," or "too tough" when a player or coach screws up. And as I've pointed out, some of the fans saying this were fans of Parcells and Coughlin.
It's just weird.
But there wasn't a whisper of any of this in 2022. And no player (both publicly or privately) has said anything of substance to the press.
The only coaches who have left this offseason besides Wink are those who were fired (and fans were giddy they were fired) and those who have received promotions from other teams... with two exceptions.... Craig Fitzerald and Andy Bischoff. (And if you ask me, we got upgrades at both spots).
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.
So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?
If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?
I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test
Again….back it up
Back what up? All you have to do is see your name asking for proof from any posters' views or opinions criticizing somebody at 1925 Giants Drive. Smell it yourself.
Wrong again
I have only taken this viewpoint on 2 issues
Daboll and Wink and the John Mara obsessions
Everything else is fair game and would be happy to criticize the organization as there have been many failures over the past 12 years that I’m happy to take issue with
Get a life dude
"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?
The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.
Being mean? LOL
But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.
WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.
"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?
The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.
Being mean? LOL
But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.
Exactly.
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.
WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.
Thank you
Guess you will be accused as well of having a burner account for the front office 😂
Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.
Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.
2nd round pick for saquon... TAG AND TRADE NOW!!! wow. would be manna from heaven.
Come on GD. Given his view on the cap, DJM is clearly Abrams : )
Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.
Barkley to Texans makes sense. But why don't they just sign him to a contract in FA? Why would Barkley sign a Tag contract? Can he negotiate a long term contract with Houston with the understanding he signs the Tag and then gets traded?
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.
WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.
Pat doesn't need your help. He's perfectly capable of yelling at actual fans all by himself.
He's not with the Giants.
Having said that we cannot keep changing the GM and HC position every few years. You need to give Dabs and Schoen 5 years. Giving them less and putting them on the hot seat is going to result in poor long term decisions.
We can look back at prior regimes and point out decisions that were made because people felt they had to win now or they were out of a job.
There is a learning curve for a new GM and HC and as much as I have been critical of Dabs and Schoen they need to be given more time to turn this ship around.
We should have traded Saquon before the deadline last fall.
"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?
The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.
Being mean? LOL
But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.
Eric, the funny thing is that many of the fans that are criticizing Daboll for being too mean also want him replaced with Vrabel who is 100X times tougher and more demanding.
We should have traded Saquon before the deadline last fall.
I never thought I would say this but we should have done what Washington did at the deadline and dealt Barkley, McKinney, Slayton, and Jackson. Had they moved just Barkley and McKinney the Giants would likely have been picking 2nd instead of 6th.
Wash, rinse, repeat. We went through this same exercise for years and they finally found a young HC/GM pairing that has already had really solid success with the team in just 2 years, and you guys are already ready to let them go.
Embarrassing.
And about half this board failed that test miserably.
"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?
The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.
Being mean? LOL
But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best option is get Qb at 6. And wind up with a young future-productive OL shown throughout next season withought a spending craze for old OL players. They aren't built to win right now.
And about half this board failed that test miserably.
Litmus tests aren't pass/fail.
Seriously, it’s just surreal
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A litmus test for any serious Giants fan should be the Wink situation.
And about half this board failed that test miserably.
Litmus tests aren't pass/fail.
pH was too high.
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Seriously, it’s just surreal
He wanted everyone to be patient with Gettleman too. The one failing the tests is him.