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bigbluewillrise : 2/15/2024 1:11 pm
https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/sports/theres-a-lot-of-giants-skepticism-in-nfl-circles/

he is usually pro giants insider they use to get the word out....

this is great news...

maybe Mara is leaking that hey this is all on daboll/schoen, i am butting out....


i still think bring back Tyrod. worst case with Tyrod you get a decent eval of the OL/coaching staff/talent on the offensive side of the ball to start the season if DJ cant go. it was never a shit show with Tyrod.


after you bring in Tyrod you let the chip fall where they may on draft night.
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in addition  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/15/2024 2:49 pm : link
we have no evidence from any player saying Daboll is a problem.

Yet we do have examples of many players saying that HOF coaches have been pains in the ass.

So what is the issue here?

Are you guys losing faith in Daboll because he may be too tough/critical?

My guess is you wouldn't be making this argument had the Giants won the NFC East.
RE: As I said already...  
Mbavaro : 2/15/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.


So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?

If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?

I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test

Again….back it up

Eric  
Sean : 2/15/2024 2:53 pm : link
I'm surprised at the view many have with Daboll. On one hand, we hear often about how bad his QB situation is. Yet, he's managed to go 16-19-1 which includes a playoff win in the last two seasons.

So which is it? Does he have a QB and should perform better? Or is his QB situation poor, but he should still be doing better?
RE: in addition  
Mbavaro : 2/15/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16399905 Eric from BBI said:
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we have no evidence from any player saying Daboll is a problem.

Yet we do have examples of many players saying that HOF coaches have been pains in the ass.

So what is the issue here?

Are you guys losing faith in Daboll because he may be too tough/critical?

My guess is you wouldn't be making this argument had the Giants won the NFC East.


Be careful Eric….

You’ll be accused of having a burner account for the front office 😁
RE: Chris684  
Chris684 : 2/15/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16399902 Eric from BBI said:
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And yet Kafka is still with the Giants, with a promotion.

And Wink is out of the NFL.

Daboll may or may not be a joy at the beach, but the only real evidence of any sort of issue is the Daboll-Martindale divorce.


Eric, 2 things.

I'm fine with a tough coach.

Wink is an ass.

Doesn't change my belief that Daboll had some issues this year. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
RE: RE: As I said already...  
ThomasG : 2/15/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16399906 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:


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Yeah, I am sure that's it.



So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?

If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?

I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test

Again….back it up


Back what up? All you have to do is see your name asking for proof from any posters' views or opinions criticizing somebody at 1925 Giants Drive. Smell it yourself.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/15/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16399907 Sean said:
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I'm surprised at the view many have with Daboll. On one hand, we hear often about how bad his QB situation is. Yet, he's managed to go 16-19-1 which includes a playoff win in the last two seasons.

So which is it? Does he have a QB and should perform better? Or is his QB situation poor, but he should still be doing better?


You're correct, but I look at even from deeper psychological viewpoint.

When the Giants won last year, fans were thrilled with Daboll's "passion" after dramatic wins.

When the Giants started losing again in 2023, the same fans who say "X should be cut right after the game" or "this franchise has become too tolerant of losing" are also arguing that the head coach is "too mean," "too critical," or "too tough" when a player or coach screws up. And as I've pointed out, some of the fans saying this were fans of Parcells and Coughlin.

It's just weird.
Chris684  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/15/2024 3:01 pm : link
That's where I'm at too... let's see what happens.

But there wasn't a whisper of any of this in 2022. And no player (both publicly or privately) has said anything of substance to the press.

The only coaches who have left this offseason besides Wink are those who were fired (and fans were giddy they were fired) and those who have received promotions from other teams... with two exceptions.... Craig Fitzerald and Andy Bischoff. (And if you ask me, we got upgrades at both spots).
RE: RE: RE: As I said already...  
Mbavaro : 2/15/2024 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16399911 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16399906 Mbavaro said:


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In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:


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Yeah, I am sure that's it.



So again….tell me what you are basing your opinion on?

If you are going to throw out accusations….back it up or STFU?

I guess one has to constantly bitch everything in order to pass your moronic smell test

Again….back it up




Back what up? All you have to do is see your name asking for proof from any posters' views or opinions criticizing somebody at 1925 Giants Drive. Smell it yourself.


Wrong again

I have only taken this viewpoint on 2 issues

Daboll and Wink and the John Mara obsessions

Everything else is fair game and would be happy to criticize the organization as there have been many failures over the past 12 years that I’m happy to take issue with

Get a life dude
IMO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/15/2024 3:06 pm : link
the people who are criticizing Daboll are criticizing the wrong things.

"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?

The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.

Being mean? LOL

But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/15/2024 3:08 pm : link
People seriously GAF is Dabs is mean? Like come on.
RE: As I said already...  
djm : 2/15/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:
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Yeah, I am sure that's it.


WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.
RE: IMO  
djm : 2/15/2024 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16399921 Eric from BBI said:
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the people who are criticizing Daboll are criticizing the wrong things.

"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?

The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.

Being mean? LOL

But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.


Exactly.

RE: RE: As I said already...  
Mbavaro : 2/15/2024 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16399925 djm said:
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In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:


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Yeah, I am sure that's it.



WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.


Thank you

Guess you will be accused as well of having a burner account for the front office 😂
This Confirms  
Lambuth_Special : 2/15/2024 3:39 pm : link
To me that the Giants will try to do something substantial at QB. It's just common sense stuff. No front office worth their salt would stand pat with a QB coming off an ACL with an unrelieable performance history. And Schoen will not have egg on his face for doing this after paying Jones $40 million; most people across the league would support this decision.
Don't be silly, Pat.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/15/2024 3:45 pm : link
We know DJM isn't a burner account.
barkley  
mittenedman : 2/15/2024 3:49 pm : link
Some potential asshat information here, apparently the Texans are considering trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick to the Giants for Saquon (who they expect to be tagged).

Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.
RE: barkley  
bigbluewillrise : 2/15/2024 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16399939 mittenedman said:
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Some potential asshat information here, apparently the Texans are considering trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick to the Giants for Saquon (who they expect to be tagged).

Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.


2nd round pick for saquon... TAG AND TRADE NOW!!! wow. would be manna from heaven.
RE: Don't be silly, Pat.  
christian : 2/15/2024 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16399937 Gatorade Dunk said:
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We know DJM isn't a burner account.


Come on GD. Given his view on the cap, DJM is clearly Abrams : )
RE: barkley  
section125 : 2/15/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16399939 mittenedman said:
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Some potential asshat information here, apparently the Texans are considering trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick to the Giants for Saquon (who they expect to be tagged).

Want to add Barkley & Tee Higgins around Stroud.


Barkley to Texans makes sense. But why don't they just sign him to a contract in FA? Why would Barkley sign a Tag contract? Can he negotiate a long term contract with Houston with the understanding he signs the Tag and then gets traded?
The is offseason chatter  
UberAlias : 2/15/2024 4:16 pm : link
Like gossip, and doesn't mean much. At the end of the day, it comes down to the choices JS and BD make. If they make good choices, all this nonsense will disappear. If they make bad choices and the team is losing, this stuff will all resurface, but it doesn't matter because if it wasn't this, it would have been something else. What matters is what's going on inside the building and inside the locker room. This nonsense of "league sources" stuff is a joke. Gossip mongering.
RE: RE: As I said already...  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/15/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16399925 djm said:
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In comment 16399898 ThomasG said:


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Yeah, I am sure that's it.



WTF are you implying? Bavaro is 100% right. You aren't really sure of fuck all. All you're doing making assumptions based on a bunch of rumor and gossip.

Pat doesn't need your help. He's perfectly capable of yelling at actual fans all by himself.
Gatorade Dunk  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/15/2024 4:34 pm : link
You need to let the Pat thing go.

He's not with the Giants.
I was not happy with the job that both Dabs and Schoen did last year.  
kelly : 2/15/2024 6:11 pm : link
I was also not happy with Wink and the performance of the defense. Glad to see him go.

Having said that we cannot keep changing the GM and HC position every few years. You need to give Dabs and Schoen 5 years. Giving them less and putting them on the hot seat is going to result in poor long term decisions.

We can look back at prior regimes and point out decisions that were made because people felt they had to win now or they were out of a job.

There is a learning curve for a new GM and HC and as much as I have been critical of Dabs and Schoen they need to be given more time to turn this ship around.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/15/2024 6:48 pm : link
While I want to believe that Texans Saquon thing...I find it a little too good to be true.

We should have traded Saquon before the deadline last fall.
RE: IMO  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2024 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16399921 Eric from BBI said:
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the people who are criticizing Daboll are criticizing the wrong things.

"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?

The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.

Being mean? LOL

But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.

Eric, the funny thing is that many of the fans that are criticizing Daboll for being too mean also want him replaced with Vrabel who is 100X times tougher and more demanding.
RE: ...  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16400031 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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While I want to believe that Texans Saquon thing...I find it a little too good to be true.

We should have traded Saquon before the deadline last fall.

I never thought I would say this but we should have done what Washington did at the deadline and dealt Barkley, McKinney, Slayton, and Jackson. Had they moved just Barkley and McKinney the Giants would likely have been picking 2nd instead of 6th.
 
ryanmkeane : 2/15/2024 8:20 pm : link
Giants fans simply cannot be patient with a new regime. Which means that a tough year after they made the playoffs and won a road game basically means it is now “Daboll will be fired” if they aren’t good in 2024.

Wash, rinse, repeat. We went through this same exercise for years and they finally found a young HC/GM pairing that has already had really solid success with the team in just 2 years, and you guys are already ready to let them go.

Embarrassing.
 
ryanmkeane : 2/15/2024 8:21 pm : link
A litmus test for any serious Giants fan should be the Wink situation.

And about half this board failed that test miserably.
More wild card win chest pounding  
ajr2456 : 2/15/2024 10:33 pm : link
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RE: IMO  
giantstock : 2/15/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16399921 Eric from BBI said:
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the people who are criticizing Daboll are criticizing the wrong things.

"He's mean!" Who gives a fuck?

The bigger issues if you want to take your shots at him are things like not dealing with the offensive line (coaching, personnel, etc.) and signing off on the Daniel Jones contract.

Being mean? LOL

But picking the wrong QB and not protecting him? More serious.


Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best option is get Qb at 6. And wind up with a young future-productive OL shown throughout next season withought a spending craze for old OL players. They aren't built to win right now.



RE: …  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/16/2024 6:09 am : link
In comment 16400102 ryanmkeane said:
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A litmus test for any serious Giants fan should be the Wink situation.

And about half this board failed that test miserably.

Litmus tests aren't pass/fail.
RE: More wild card win chest pounding  
Greg from LI : 2/16/2024 7:02 am : link
In comment 16400193 ajr2456 said:
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Seriously, it’s just surreal
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Blueworm : 2/16/2024 7:23 am : link
In comment 16400233 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16400102 ryanmkeane said:


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A litmus test for any serious Giants fan should be the Wink situation.

And about half this board failed that test miserably.


Litmus tests aren't pass/fail.


pH was too high.
RE: RE: More wild card win chest pounding  
ajr2456 : 2/16/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16400244 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16400193 ajr2456 said:


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Seriously, it’s just surreal


He wanted everyone to be patient with Gettleman too. The one failing the tests is him.
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