Take the Minnesota Vikings game where Eli threw four picks (3 for pick 6s). We only learned a year or two later that on two of those picks, the receiver ran the wrong route (Shockey was one, I forget who the other was). Eli didn't say anything. He didn't throw anyone under the bus. But everyone (including me) lambasted him for it.
Same thing happened to Neil O'Donnell in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Receivers ran the wrong routes and the QB got blamed.
when I first did game reviews, I tried to do my best based on what I was seeing on the TV (had no full-22 at the time). And I'm a fan trying to do my best.
I went a few games criticizing the play of FB Greg Comella. Well, it struck a nerve with his dad, who started to e-mail me and tell me "you don't know what you are looking at!" (I think his dad also played...not sure about that). Anyway, what I took away from that was we may think we know what we are seeing, but that's not always the case. The player who you are sure got beat for a TD in coverage may not have been that guy. It might have been the safety who was late and the CB just looked like he was responsible.
You do your best, but we just don't know all of the facts.
Take the Minnesota Vikings game where Eli threw four picks (3 for pick 6s). We only learned a year or two later that on two of those picks, the receiver ran the wrong route (Shockey was one, I forget who the other was). Eli didn't say anything. He didn't throw anyone under the bus. But everyone (including me) lambasted him for it.
Same thing happened to Neil O'Donnell in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Receivers ran the wrong routes and the QB got blamed.
Right. Some of this is fans simply not knowing, some of it is being dug in on opinions which is a bias. If I am biased for a player and not honest with myself, then I may accept reasons why other players are at fault. On the flip-side, if I am biased against a player then I may dismiss reasons why the player was not at fault.
I find it easier to accept fans not knowing than us fans who consciously know what we are doing. (yes, myself as well)
when I first did game reviews, I tried to do my best based on what I was seeing on the TV (had no full-22 at the time). And I'm a fan trying to do my best.
I went a few games criticizing the play of FB Greg Comella. Well, it struck a nerve with his dad, who started to e-mail me and tell me "you don't know what you are looking at!" (I think his dad also played...not sure about that). Anyway, what I took away from that was we may think we know what we are seeing, but that's not always the case. The player who you are sure got beat for a TD in coverage may not have been that guy. It might have been the safety who was late and the CB just looked like he was responsible.
You do your best, but we just don't know all of the facts.
that's one of my huge problems with PFF grades, especially when they rate OLs. How the hell do they know who was responsible for the missed block?
I’ve always wondered how big a staff PFF has evaluating players. Evaluating every single play from every single player in the league and getting the grades out within like 24 hours seems impossible to me
One of the interesting angles if teams are high on JJ
Is this --NE needs a QB, but they have a TON of other issues too. Let's say they grade Maye and JJ in the same tier. They might be willing to trade back looking to grab McCarthy plus some much needed extra picks.
that's one of my huge problems with PFF grades, especially when they rate OLs. How the hell do they know who was responsible for the missed block?
I’ve always wondered how big a staff PFF has evaluating players. Evaluating every single play from every single player in the league and getting the grades out within like 24 hours seems impossible to me
From the PFF website:
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WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played.
Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.
YOU DON’T KNOW THE PLAY CALL?
We are certainly not in the huddle, but we are grading what a player attempts to do on a given play. While football is extremely nuanced regarding the preparation and adjustments that go into each play call, once the ball is snapped, most players are clear in what they’re trying to accomplish on each play, and we evaluate accordingly. Of course, there are always some gray areas in football. Plays in which there is a clear question mark regarding assignment, we can defer to a “0” grade and not guess as to which player is right or wrong. These plays are few and far between and since we are grading every snap, missing out on a handful throughout the year should not affect player evaluations. Examples of potential gray areas include coverage busts, quarterback/wide receiver miscommunications and missed blocking assignments.
RE: I remember Malik Willis rising up in the draft
Huge Michigan fan, and I love McCarthy. I just don't see him as a top 10 pick. I'd say he's a Day 2 pick. If the Giants can move up late round 1 and grab him similar to the Ravens sneaking back up and grabbing Lamar.. I'm all for it.
This is a fantasy.. There are multiple teams behind the Giants that need QBs. I think its highly unlikely McCarthy will not be sitting there at the end or round 1.
JJ is tough evaluation because he does show the things you want to see, just a lot less of it because he's not required to due to his situation. But he's 20 years old compared to some of these guys who needed five seasons to get where they are, he's played in a pro style offense, big games, etc.
All of this amounts to an intriguing pick. Why? Because JJ is a steeper projection than the top 3, but there is nothing that disqualifies him from sitting at the same level as them other than fewer plays to support his case. This year there are so many teams that need a QB but won't be in position to draft in the consensus top 3... so suddenly JJ becomes a guy who's easy to talk yourself into if you're one of the teams trying to find an answer outside a top 5 pick.
I've seen the stat on second best comp % on passes with 20+ air yards, but lots to be intrigued about here IMO.
I obviously can't say how JJ will do in the pros, but according to my eye and research he isn't far off from QB 2 behind Daniels in my book. I'm almost starting to think 1. JD 2. JJ 3. CW 4. DM, but those are just my thoughts and I'm not able to get into the minds of each prospect like the GM's and Co will. I do get a sense that JJ had one of the better pocket presences in the pocket and that he has an intuitive, quick mind at QB but I can't really say for sure it's just an impression I get in my research on him.
I obviously can't say how JJ will do in the pros, but according to my eye and research he isn't far off from QB 2 behind Daniels in my book. I'm almost starting to think 1. JD 2. JJ 3. CW 4. DM, but those are just my thoughts and I'm not able to get into the minds of each prospect like the GM's and Co will. I do get a sense that JJ had one of the better pocket presences in the pocket and that he has an intuitive, quick mind at QB but I can't really say for sure it's just an impression I get in my research on him.
I’m with you. While I am admittedly no expert, I wouldn’t have any issues if Giants take him.
Same thing happened to Neil O'Donnell in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Receivers ran the wrong routes and the QB got blamed.
I went a few games criticizing the play of FB Greg Comella. Well, it struck a nerve with his dad, who started to e-mail me and tell me "you don't know what you are looking at!" (I think his dad also played...not sure about that). Anyway, what I took away from that was we may think we know what we are seeing, but that's not always the case. The player who you are sure got beat for a TD in coverage may not have been that guy. It might have been the safety who was late and the CB just looked like he was responsible.
You do your best, but we just don't know all of the facts.
Same thing happened to Neil O'Donnell in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Receivers ran the wrong routes and the QB got blamed.
Right. Some of this is fans simply not knowing, some of it is being dug in on opinions which is a bias. If I am biased for a player and not honest with myself, then I may accept reasons why other players are at fault. On the flip-side, if I am biased against a player then I may dismiss reasons why the player was not at fault.
I find it easier to accept fans not knowing than us fans who consciously know what we are doing. (yes, myself as well)
I went a few games criticizing the play of FB Greg Comella. Well, it struck a nerve with his dad, who started to e-mail me and tell me "you don't know what you are looking at!" (I think his dad also played...not sure about that). Anyway, what I took away from that was we may think we know what we are seeing, but that's not always the case. The player who you are sure got beat for a TD in coverage may not have been that guy. It might have been the safety who was late and the CB just looked like he was responsible.
You do your best, but we just don't know all of the facts.
Interesting story, thanks. And agreed.
I’ve always wondered how big a staff PFF has evaluating players. Evaluating every single play from every single player in the league and getting the grades out within like 24 hours seems impossible to me
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that's one of my huge problems with PFF grades, especially when they rate OLs. How the hell do they know who was responsible for the missed block?
I’ve always wondered how big a staff PFF has evaluating players. Evaluating every single play from every single player in the league and getting the grades out within like 24 hours seems impossible to me
From the PFF website:
WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of “senior analysts” in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don’t care if you played.
Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.
YOU DON’T KNOW THE PLAY CALL?
We are certainly not in the huddle, but we are grading what a player attempts to do on a given play. While football is extremely nuanced regarding the preparation and adjustments that go into each play call, once the ball is snapped, most players are clear in what they’re trying to accomplish on each play, and we evaluate accordingly. Of course, there are always some gray areas in football. Plays in which there is a clear question mark regarding assignment, we can defer to a “0” grade and not guess as to which player is right or wrong. These plays are few and far between and since we are grading every snap, missing out on a handful throughout the year should not affect player evaluations. Examples of potential gray areas include coverage busts, quarterback/wide receiver miscommunications and missed blocking assignments.
Huge Michigan fan, and I love McCarthy. I just don't see him as a top 10 pick. I'd say he's a Day 2 pick. If the Giants can move up late round 1 and grab him similar to the Ravens sneaking back up and grabbing Lamar.. I'm all for it.
This is a fantasy.. There are multiple teams behind the Giants that need QBs. I think its highly unlikely McCarthy will not be sitting there at the end or round 1.
News at 11.
All of this amounts to an intriguing pick. Why? Because JJ is a steeper projection than the top 3, but there is nothing that disqualifies him from sitting at the same level as them other than fewer plays to support his case. This year there are so many teams that need a QB but won't be in position to draft in the consensus top 3... so suddenly JJ becomes a guy who's easy to talk yourself into if you're one of the teams trying to find an answer outside a top 5 pick.
I've seen the stat on second best comp % on passes with 20+ air yards, but lots to be intrigued about here IMO.
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I've seen the stat on second best comp % on passes with 20+ air yards, but lots to be intrigued about here IMO.
I obviously can't say how JJ will do in the pros, but according to my eye and research he isn't far off from QB 2 behind Daniels in my book. I'm almost starting to think 1. JD 2. JJ 3. CW 4. DM, but those are just my thoughts and I'm not able to get into the minds of each prospect like the GM's and Co will. I do get a sense that JJ had one of the better pocket presences in the pocket and that he has an intuitive, quick mind at QB but I can't really say for sure it's just an impression I get in my research on him.
I obviously can't say how JJ will do in the pros, but according to my eye and research he isn't far off from QB 2 behind Daniels in my book. I'm almost starting to think 1. JD 2. JJ 3. CW 4. DM, but those are just my thoughts and I'm not able to get into the minds of each prospect like the GM's and Co will. I do get a sense that JJ had one of the better pocket presences in the pocket and that he has an intuitive, quick mind at QB but I can't really say for sure it's just an impression I get in my research on him.
I’m with you. While I am admittedly no expert, I wouldn’t have any issues if Giants take him.