Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports that despite Mara’s constant presence in the building, Schoen has been given near complete autonomy as the general manager. He makes the calls and is rarely, if ever, overruled.
“Joe Schoen is in charge,” one team source told Leonard. “It’s not like Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum were with the Jets. No one questions who is in charge in the building. It’s a GM-centric organization. It’s not like Brian Daboll is Bill Belichick, where he’s drafting the players.”
Then again, typical Pat Leonard... the other side of the coin:
“This is still John Mara’s team,” another team source said. “Never forget that. John Mara runs the Giants.”
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No one should ever forget, that ultimately, the owners have final word. They just need to temper it to very few items that might need intervention, and I mean very few, i.e., character of a potential player, extensive contracts.
I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
Until he isn’t.
Translation: He has at most 2 years to finally fix the quagmire at offensive line.
I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
This. Maybe a with a bit more subtlety, but essentially this.
I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?
Actually, the team sources contradict each other. The article just reports what they said.
The problem here is the writer doesn't give any insight into what level the sources are within the organization to add context. He also doesn't report, or more likely, didn't ask, what "this is Mara's team" means when it comes to decision making - what kind of things might he get involved with. Drafting a QB? Giving out Pepsis? THAT would be news worth reporting.
There is really no news here. We have heard over and over Schoen makes the decisions. And we've heard Mara talks with Schoen. This reads like a reporter trying to produce copy when there is nothing going on.
Not really. As I said above, the owners always have final say. You cannot name one team in any franchise that the owners don't have ultimate authority - besides, is Steve Tisch chopped liver? Wasn't it Tisch that bounced Judge?
No one really knows, but a couple times in the past week it has come out that Schoen calls the shots.
I have no doubt that Mara(and Tisch less so) make a limited number of suggestions to Schoen that have some gravitas.
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I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.
I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?
For starters I don't think Mara views himself as putting pressure on Schoen. In his mind he likely thinks that Schoen has full autonomy on decisions unless they become a legitimate "business decision" such as trading a popular player who's jersey sells well (see OBJ).
I just think Mara makes a lot of little comments without realizing they'll have an impact. He talks glowing about Jones whenever asked, its been reported from people around the organization that he loves Jones. Now with all of that surrounding the org, does Joe Schoen really have a clear head when making decisions about Daniel Jones? In my opinion no, it will always be in the back of his head that his owner loves the kid and moving on from him has to be handled delicately.
I can say the same with Barkley though his presence on this team is more beneficial than Jones's.
I think it means Schoen is in charge until he is not :)
While it is important to develop relationships and find those special players who may one day grace your ring of honor, it is also important to let the GM, who we hope has a vision, do his work.
Joe is a young, ambitious guy as GM's go. He didn't come here to have his legs cut out from under him and simply go away to never GM again if the team doesn't win.
He is basing his career on this four or five year period.
Enough already.
But Mara stays out of it. So he’s the silent type. Sure he is.
Enough.
Jan 16, 2023:
“It was a while ago I think … he just keeps getting better and better every week,” Mara said.
Mara laughed when it was suggested that he got the succession plan for Eli right (yes, with former GM Dave Gettleman’s help) and said: “Hey I can’t screw up everything, I gotta get something right.”
2023 Owner's Meetings:
Earlier that day, co-owner John Mara reached out to his quarterback, hoping this one final outreach would help convince Jones how much he was wanted.
“I emphasized to him how much we wanted him here, wanted him to be a Giant and how I felt it was in his best interest to sign the deal and stay here,” Mara said Monday at the NFL owners’ meeting. “We’re finally going to give you some continuity, which we haven’t been able to do since we drafted you and we have a chance to build this roster to be a successful team and we want you to be a part of it. It was a good conversation. I was very pleased he ended up signing the deal.”
Pretty clear messages from the top.
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Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?
Jan 16, 2023:
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I asked Mara when it became a finality to him that Daniel Jones would be his Quarterback of the Future.
“It was a while ago I think … he just keeps getting better and better every week,” Mara said.
Mara laughed when it was suggested that he got the succession plan for Eli right (yes, with former GM Dave Gettleman’s help) and said: “Hey I can’t screw up everything, I gotta get something right.”
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With only minutes to spare, the Giants were able to put the finishing touches on a four-year contract with Daniel Jones worth $160 million back on March 7.
Earlier that day, co-owner John Mara reached out to his quarterback, hoping this one final outreach would help convince Jones how much he was wanted.
“I emphasized to him how much we wanted him here, wanted him to be a Giant and how I felt it was in his best interest to sign the deal and stay here,” Mara said Monday at the NFL owners’ meeting. “We’re finally going to give you some continuity, which we haven’t been able to do since we drafted you and we have a chance to build this roster to be a successful team and we want you to be a part of it. It was a good conversation. I was very pleased he ended up signing the deal.”
Pretty clear messages from the top.
The January 16 quote is absolutely damning here. Schoen's hands were completely tied by that.
If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…
If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…
And, on the backside of the fan letter being discussed by media outlets. Not to mention what sure feels like burners posting alot lately.
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“It’s Joe’s choice” articles this week.
If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…
And, on the backside of the fan letter being discussed by media outlets. Not to mention what sure feels like burners posting alot lately.
Yup.
This. QB is always going to be an ownership influenced decision. No one is more involved than Lurie as an owner, but as SFGF said in another thread, just win. The Mara criticism goes away when the team wins.
Of course it will when $160 mill is involved. But I think if Schoen and Daboll tell him it is likely time to move on, he will acquiesce.
Part of me says, that QB may not be on the front burner this year - sadly.
The January 16 quote is absolutely damning here. Schoen's hands were completely tied by that.
The Giants have never been shy about the fact that they like to work backwards from a conclusion in deciding their plans for the future.
I didn't post the quote about believing they can win a Super Bowl with Jones, but that's from Mara too. He believed, as recently has 11 months ago, that Jones is the QB to win the next Giants Super Bowl.
I'm not absolving Schoen of blame, it's entirely possible he believes the same thing, which may be how he got the job in the first place. But either way, the message from his boss has been clear since the day he interviewed for the job.
Most of the burners are obsessed fans just trying to rile up and get their jollies with what they want to happen.
And I think most of us know Schoen is in charge, and he's likely got a 2 year window to get the team restocked and situated going forward.
It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.
It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.
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and therefore he's not in charge on big decisions. Yea we already get it that Schoen has the freedom to find inside linebackers.
It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.
Mara owns the team. Just like any other business, the owner’s opinion matters. Yet some fly off the handle whenever it’s suggested he has any involvement whatsoever.
Welcome to the world. It isn’t working now, but a similar approach lead to 4 Lombardis in the case. They’ve just failed miserably to create their next contender. It happens. If it was easy you wouldn’t see multiple teams without Lombardis.
I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
Spot on. Same thing with SB and our cheerleader Sterling Shepard.
Mara owns the team. Just like any other business, the owner’s opinion matters. Yet some fly off the handle whenever it’s suggested he has any involvement whatsoever.
Welcome to the world. It isn’t working now, but a similar approach lead to 4 Lombardis in the case. They’ve just failed miserably to create their next contender. It happens. If it was easy you wouldn’t see multiple teams without Lombardis.
The approach that lead to 4 Lombardi's was Wellington and Tim Mara being suck fuckups that Pete Rozelle had to step in and force them to hire George Young.
If not for that, the Giants would have the franchise history of the Detroit Lions.
The plan for 2023 never really materialized. On top of that, you had turmoil with the staff playing out in the press.
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the article contradicts itself.
I think it means Schoen is in charge until he is not :)
This.
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the article contradicts itself.
Actually, the team sources contradict each other. The article just reports what they said.
Exactly. Interpreting this as some kind of Pat Leonard shit-stirring is likely not accurate -- he's just quoting people.
Many fans want John (and Chris) Mara to be the same. This is unrealistic, since John is the President. Of course, he's going to have a voice in the football conversations. The question is whether he's an overbearing boss micromanaging football decisions and not allowing opposing viewpoints, or whether he's a guy who says his peace, then let's Schoen manage. It's highly doubtful Schoen can do whatever the hell he wants regardless of whether Mara approves, but that isn't the same as Schoen being Mara's rubber stamp toady.
I know, wtf? Maybe the first source was John Mara and the second source was Joe Schoen.