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Pat Leonard: 'Joe Schoen is in charge'

KingBlue : 2/16/2024 8:09 am
Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports that despite Mara’s constant presence in the building, Schoen has been given near complete autonomy as the general manager. He makes the calls and is rarely, if ever, overruled.

“Joe Schoen is in charge,” one team source told Leonard. “It’s not like Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum were with the Jets. No one questions who is in charge in the building. It’s a GM-centric organization. It’s not like Brian Daboll is Bill Belichick, where he’s drafting the players.”

Then again, typical Pat Leonard... the other side of the coin:

“This is still John Mara’s team,” another team source said. “Never forget that. John Mara runs the Giants.”



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That is good to hear  
section125 : 2/16/2024 8:15 am : link
that Schoen is in charge, coming from Pat Leonard.

No one should ever forget, that ultimately, the owners have final word. They just need to temper it to very few items that might need intervention, and I mean very few, i.e., character of a potential player, extensive contracts.
I'm sure this is true  
Biteymax22 : 2/16/2024 8:20 am : link
I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.

I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.
Lmao funny thread  
Tuckrule : 2/16/2024 8:21 am : link
He’s in charge. Another source says he’s not. Weather at 10pm stay tuned
Joe Schoen is in charge  
M.S. : 2/16/2024 8:27 am : link

Until he isn’t.

Translation: He has at most 2 years to finally fix the quagmire at offensive line.
RE: I'm sure this is true  
logman : 2/16/2024 8:27 am : link
In comment 16400276 Biteymax22 said:
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I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.

I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.


This. Maybe a with a bit more subtlety, but essentially this.
it's good to be in charge  
Giantsfan79 : 2/16/2024 8:34 am : link
Unless it's of the Titanic
Ok, good.  
nygiantfan : 2/16/2024 8:39 am : link
So Joe, with respect to the Daniel Jones decision...YOU fucked up.
I'm confused  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/16/2024 8:39 am : link
the article contradicts itself.
RE: I'm sure this is true  
Ron Johnson : 2/16/2024 8:48 am : link
In comment 16400276 Biteymax22 said:
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I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.

I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.



Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?

RE: I'm confused  
k2tampa : 2/16/2024 8:58 am : link
In comment 16400297 Eric from BBI said:
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the article contradicts itself.


Actually, the team sources contradict each other. The article just reports what they said.

The problem here is the writer doesn't give any insight into what level the sources are within the organization to add context. He also doesn't report, or more likely, didn't ask, what "this is Mara's team" means when it comes to decision making - what kind of things might he get involved with. Drafting a QB? Giving out Pepsis? THAT would be news worth reporting.

There is really no news here. We have heard over and over Schoen makes the decisions. And we've heard Mara talks with Schoen. This reads like a reporter trying to produce copy when there is nothing going on.
RE: I'm confused  
section125 : 2/16/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16400297 Eric from BBI said:
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the article contradicts itself.


Not really. As I said above, the owners always have final say. You cannot name one team in any franchise that the owners don't have ultimate authority - besides, is Steve Tisch chopped liver? Wasn't it Tisch that bounced Judge?

No one really knows, but a couple times in the past week it has come out that Schoen calls the shots.

I have no doubt that Mara(and Tisch less so) make a limited number of suggestions to Schoen that have some gravitas.
RE: RE: I'm sure this is true  
Biteymax22 : 2/16/2024 9:21 am : link
In comment 16400305 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 16400276 Biteymax22 said:


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I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.

I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.




Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?


For starters I don't think Mara views himself as putting pressure on Schoen. In his mind he likely thinks that Schoen has full autonomy on decisions unless they become a legitimate "business decision" such as trading a popular player who's jersey sells well (see OBJ).

I just think Mara makes a lot of little comments without realizing they'll have an impact. He talks glowing about Jones whenever asked, its been reported from people around the organization that he loves Jones. Now with all of that surrounding the org, does Joe Schoen really have a clear head when making decisions about Daniel Jones? In my opinion no, it will always be in the back of his head that his owner loves the kid and moving on from him has to be handled delicately.

I can say the same with Barkley though his presence on this team is more beneficial than Jones's.
RE: I'm confused  
GIANTS128 : 2/16/2024 9:21 am : link
In comment 16400297 Eric from BBI said:
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the article contradicts itself.


I think it means Schoen is in charge until he is not :)
Joe and John M have to know this is a business  
GiantBlue : 2/16/2024 9:21 am : link
and roster moves/financials need to be run with the cold efficiency of a high flying business.

While it is important to develop relationships and find those special players who may one day grace your ring of honor, it is also important to let the GM, who we hope has a vision, do his work.

Joe is a young, ambitious guy as GM's go. He didn't come here to have his legs cut out from under him and simply go away to never GM again if the team doesn't win.

He is basing his career on this four or five year period.
Smh  
djm : 2/16/2024 9:23 am : link
If Mara was pulling strings or heavily involved with football moves SOMEONE would have disclosed this by now. Not just innuendo or ambiguous slop that fence sits. Real tangible info. All we have heard over the last 20 years is the occasional “we suck or we messed this qb up or sorry about sucking” (paraphrasing) not one true slice of info, forget vetted info, not even one true piece of talk that states with true conviction John Mara is making football decisions time and time again or even just once. Not. One.

Enough already.
Also  
djm : 2/16/2024 9:26 am : link
Owners who make waves and make decisions on more than just margins and parking lots have egos. They can’t resist injecting themselves into the spotlight if and when they shake the earth in regards to their respective franchise.

But Mara stays out of it. So he’s the silent type. Sure he is.

Enough.
RE: RE: I'm sure this is true  
rsjem1979 : 2/16/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16400305 Ron Johnson said:
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Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?


Jan 16, 2023:

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I asked Mara when it became a finality to him that Daniel Jones would be his Quarterback of the Future.

“It was a while ago I think … he just keeps getting better and better every week,” Mara said.

Mara laughed when it was suggested that he got the succession plan for Eli right (yes, with former GM Dave Gettleman’s help) and said: “Hey I can’t screw up everything, I gotta get something right.”


2023 Owner's Meetings:

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With only minutes to spare, the Giants were able to put the finishing touches on a four-year contract with Daniel Jones worth $160 million back on March 7.

Earlier that day, co-owner John Mara reached out to his quarterback, hoping this one final outreach would help convince Jones how much he was wanted.

“I emphasized to him how much we wanted him here, wanted him to be a Giant and how I felt it was in his best interest to sign the deal and stay here,” Mara said Monday at the NFL owners’ meeting. “We’re finally going to give you some continuity, which we haven’t been able to do since we drafted you and we have a chance to build this roster to be a successful team and we want you to be a part of it. It was a good conversation. I was very pleased he ended up signing the deal.”


Pretty clear messages from the top.
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ryanmkeane : 2/16/2024 9:29 am : link
Joe Schoen is the GM of the Giants news at 10
Mara is heavily involved with daily football operations  
JonC : 2/16/2024 9:30 am : link
"Pulling the strings" does not compute, and no one should bother trying to assert it. Drafting a #1 QB is a decision that will involve ownership to sign off, however.
RE: RE: RE: I'm sure this is true  
RHPeel : 2/16/2024 9:31 am : link
In comment 16400346 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 16400305 Ron Johnson said:


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Mara made the "we've done everything to screw him up" comment two years ago. Is there anything else? What makes you think Mara is putting that kind of pressure on Schoen?




Jan 16, 2023:



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I asked Mara when it became a finality to him that Daniel Jones would be his Quarterback of the Future.

“It was a while ago I think … he just keeps getting better and better every week,” Mara said.

Mara laughed when it was suggested that he got the succession plan for Eli right (yes, with former GM Dave Gettleman’s help) and said: “Hey I can’t screw up everything, I gotta get something right.”



2023 Owner's Meetings:



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With only minutes to spare, the Giants were able to put the finishing touches on a four-year contract with Daniel Jones worth $160 million back on March 7.

Earlier that day, co-owner John Mara reached out to his quarterback, hoping this one final outreach would help convince Jones how much he was wanted.

“I emphasized to him how much we wanted him here, wanted him to be a Giant and how I felt it was in his best interest to sign the deal and stay here,” Mara said Monday at the NFL owners’ meeting. “We’re finally going to give you some continuity, which we haven’t been able to do since we drafted you and we have a chance to build this roster to be a successful team and we want you to be a part of it. It was a good conversation. I was very pleased he ended up signing the deal.”



Pretty clear messages from the top.


The January 16 quote is absolutely damning here. Schoen's hands were completely tied by that.
Interesting that there’s been multiple  
ajr2456 : 2/16/2024 9:34 am : link
“It’s Joe’s choice” articles this week.

If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…
RE: Interesting that there’s been multiple  
JonC : 2/16/2024 9:37 am : link
In comment 16400357 ajr2456 said:
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“It’s Joe’s choice” articles this week.

If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…


And, on the backside of the fan letter being discussed by media outlets. Not to mention what sure feels like burners posting alot lately.
RE: RE: Interesting that there’s been multiple  
ajr2456 : 2/16/2024 9:37 am : link
In comment 16400362 JonC said:
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In comment 16400357 ajr2456 said:


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“It’s Joe’s choice” articles this week.

If people still don’t think Mara is swayed by fan criticism…



And, on the backside of the fan letter being discussed by media outlets. Not to mention what sure feels like burners posting alot lately.


Yup.
RE: Mara is heavily involved with daily football operations  
Sean : 2/16/2024 9:37 am : link
In comment 16400351 JonC said:
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"Pulling the strings" does not compute, and no one should bother trying to assert it. Drafting a #1 QB is a decision that will involve ownership to sign off, however.

This. QB is always going to be an ownership influenced decision. No one is more involved than Lurie as an owner, but as SFGF said in another thread, just win. The Mara criticism goes away when the team wins.
RE: Mara is heavily involved with daily football operations  
section125 : 2/16/2024 9:43 am : link
In comment 16400351 JonC said:
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"Pulling the strings" does not compute, and no one should bother trying to assert it. Drafting a #1 QB is a decision that will involve ownership to sign off, however.


Of course it will when $160 mill is involved. But I think if Schoen and Daboll tell him it is likely time to move on, he will acquiesce.
Part of me says, that QB may not be on the front burner this year - sadly.
Let's hope they even have those honest conversations  
JonC : 2/16/2024 9:44 am : link
because it's past time to put those cards on the table.
In an ideal world  
56goat : 2/16/2024 9:49 am : link
owners would own and GMs would GM, but we all know better than that. In our jobs we all answer to someone and if the boss makes a request, even subtly, we all know what is in our best interest. Joe may be the GM, but he knows who signs his checks and controls his future.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sure this is true  
rsjem1979 : 2/16/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16400354 RHPeel said:
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The January 16 quote is absolutely damning here. Schoen's hands were completely tied by that.


The Giants have never been shy about the fact that they like to work backwards from a conclusion in deciding their plans for the future.

I didn't post the quote about believing they can win a Super Bowl with Jones, but that's from Mara too. He believed, as recently has 11 months ago, that Jones is the QB to win the next Giants Super Bowl.

I'm not absolving Schoen of blame, it's entirely possible he believes the same thing, which may be how he got the job in the first place. But either way, the message from his boss has been clear since the day he interviewed for the job.
Folks  
Sammo85 : 2/16/2024 10:09 am : link
need to kind of take a back-seat on thinking the organization is sending burners onto BBI.

Most of the burners are obsessed fans just trying to rile up and get their jollies with what they want to happen.

And I think most of us know Schoen is in charge, and he's likely got a 2 year window to get the team restocked and situated going forward.
Giants have always promoted healthy discussion  
UberAlias : 2/16/2024 10:20 am : link
However if the GM and HC are in alignment, you have to imagine they'd be a very strong force to overcome. The intent is to come to a consensus, but if not, the owner could be more of a tie breaker. Those complaining about the owner sharing his views must be used to dealing with insecure people. JS and BD have many years of experience. They are going to have informed conviction of their views. You would expect them to be strong enough to stand by what they believe is right and not cave in out of fear. There is way too much chatter about this constantly.
"rarely overruled" lol means he gets overruled  
Manhattan : 2/16/2024 10:31 am : link
and therefore he's not in charge on big decisions. Yea we already get it that Schoen has the freedom to find inside linebackers.

It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.
RE:  
UberAlias : 2/16/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16400446 Manhattan said:
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and therefore he's not in charge on big decisions. Yea we already get it that Schoen has the freedom to find inside linebackers.

It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.
That's not what he's saying, but keep spinning.
It sure would be interesting to hear of the times where Schoen  
nygiantfan : 2/16/2024 10:56 am : link
was overruled in these rare instances and how material they were. If it was just an emotional immaterial one like keeping Shepard one more year that is one thing. If it is, for example, we are keeping Jones longer so go restructure his contract if you need more cap room that is another.


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"rarely overruled" lol means he gets overruled
Manhattan : 10:31 am : link : reply
and therefore he's not in charge on big decisions. Yea we already get it that Schoen has the freedom to find inside linebackers.

It's the very big decisions that matter. And that's where Mara comes in.

.  
ChrisRick : 2/16/2024 11:07 am : link
Mara is swayed by fans, a majority of fans are finished with Daniel Jones. Does that mean Mara is to? How do we decide which decisions Mara is influenced by? I don't mean this come off as snarky. Mara also had to have an idea that his fans were not going to be happy with a quarterback from Duke at 6 in '19.
I think the “this is Mara’s team” stuff is overblown  
BillT : 2/16/2024 11:26 am : link
He’s the owner and team president. Of course it’s “his team”. Duh. That can be true and Schoen have full autonomy. Not mutually exclusive.
It’s funny how  
mittenedman : 2/16/2024 11:35 am : link
much people trip over themselves about this.

Mara owns the team. Just like any other business, the owner’s opinion matters. Yet some fly off the handle whenever it’s suggested he has any involvement whatsoever.

Welcome to the world. It isn’t working now, but a similar approach lead to 4 Lombardis in the case. They’ve just failed miserably to create their next contender. It happens. If it was easy you wouldn’t see multiple teams without Lombardis.
RE: I'm sure this is true  
averagejoe : 2/16/2024 11:39 am : link
In comment 16400276 Biteymax22 said:
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I don't think Mara is the "I'm going to tell you who to sign" type.

I do think Mara is the "Hey Joe you have full power. Hopefully you can find a way to resign Daniel, he's such a great kid. I get it if you can't, but it would really be best if we found a way for him to stay. Again, your decision, I just hope it works out for Daniel" type of meddler.


Spot on. Same thing with SB and our cheerleader Sterling Shepard.
Happens  
mittenedman : 2/16/2024 11:46 am : link
in every business. Kraft was meddling with Belichick too during their run. Don’t waste your time complaining about it.
RE: It’s funny how  
rsjem1979 : 2/16/2024 11:57 am : link
In comment 16400528 mittenedman said:
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much people trip over themselves about this.

Mara owns the team. Just like any other business, the owner’s opinion matters. Yet some fly off the handle whenever it’s suggested he has any involvement whatsoever.

Welcome to the world. It isn’t working now, but a similar approach lead to 4 Lombardis in the case. They’ve just failed miserably to create their next contender. It happens. If it was easy you wouldn’t see multiple teams without Lombardis.


The approach that lead to 4 Lombardi's was Wellington and Tim Mara being suck fuckups that Pete Rozelle had to step in and force them to hire George Young.

If not for that, the Giants would have the franchise history of the Detroit Lions.
Good post Uber  
Lines of Scrimmage : 2/16/2024 11:59 am : link
I think Schoen is in charge and Mara (and Tisch) also have the right to not be happy about a lot of things last season that played out outside of Jones. I hope this was discussed.

The plan for 2023 never really materialized. On top of that, you had turmoil with the staff playing out in the press.
If you can be overruled then  
HardTruth : 2/16/2024 12:01 pm : link
You are not in charge
RE: RE: I'm confused  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/16/2024 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16400338 GIANTS128 said:
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In comment 16400297 Eric from BBI said:


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the article contradicts itself.



I think it means Schoen is in charge until he is not :)


This.
I wonder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/16/2024 12:03 pm : link
if the fan letter is having a similar impact as my daughter's meme.
RE: RE: I'm confused  
santacruzom : 2/16/2024 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16400320 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16400297 Eric from BBI said:


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the article contradicts itself.



Actually, the team sources contradict each other. The article just reports what they said.


Exactly. Interpreting this as some kind of Pat Leonard shit-stirring is likely not accurate -- he's just quoting people.
Strikes deep  
mako J : 2/16/2024 12:29 pm : link
Into your life it will creep…..
If you have to tell people  
Mattman : 2/16/2024 12:31 pm : link
You are in charge you are not in charge
the commonly held view  
fkap : 2/16/2024 12:36 pm : link
is that Tisch and some of the other owners have basically put their shares into a blind trust and don't interact with the football, or business, sides of the Giants.

Many fans want John (and Chris) Mara to be the same. This is unrealistic, since John is the President. Of course, he's going to have a voice in the football conversations. The question is whether he's an overbearing boss micromanaging football decisions and not allowing opposing viewpoints, or whether he's a guy who says his peace, then let's Schoen manage. It's highly doubtful Schoen can do whatever the hell he wants regardless of whether Mara approves, but that isn't the same as Schoen being Mara's rubber stamp toady.
team source = Chris Mara  
Dnew15 : 2/16/2024 12:49 pm : link
what a joke.
RE: Lmao funny thread  
widmerseyebrow : 2/16/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16400278 Tuckrule said:
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He’s in charge. Another source says he’s not. Weather at 10pm stay tuned


I know, wtf? Maybe the first source was John Mara and the second source was Joe Schoen.
I would need a very good reason to pay any attention to Pat Leonard  
Marty in Albany : 2/16/2024 3:34 pm : link
To call him "swine" would be an insult to pigs.
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