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Trade Proposition DJ for Deshaun Watson plus a 2nd

AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 12:21 pm
Mike Tanenbaum put this one on the table,and I am not sure what to make of it...
DJ for Deshaun and a 2nd
DW has 3 yrs left at $50MM which is fully guaranteed.
My gut says no....
What say the P-nut Gallery?
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RE: Interesting how Watson is a no, but Kerry Collins was a yes.  
Giantsbigblue : 2/16/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16400613 Optimus-NY said:
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lol


Let me help you out. Christian Peter would be the guy you would want to use as the example here.
Mara would veto it and I'd applaud  
Sean : 2/16/2024 1:20 pm : link
I've got no interest in Watson. No way am I bailing out the Browns on that contract. They were better with Flacco.
RE: “ “We're not trading for Deshaun Watson.”  
Sean : 2/16/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16400683 HardTruth said:
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- said “Mr. Not In Charge” John Mara

Good. Watson is a creep. An owner has every right to veto that move.
Even if Watson didn't have the off field bullshit  
logman : 2/16/2024 1:22 pm : link
he doesn't have it anymore.

They can keep Watson, Jones can stay in NY, and they can just give up the 2.
Don't even consider, for a few reasons  
Matt M. : 2/16/2024 1:39 pm : link
One, he still hasn't looked like the same player. Two, injuries are a concern for him as well. Three, his off the field problems. Four, his deal is worse than Jones.
RE: Even if Watson didn't have the off field bullshit  
bw in dc : 2/16/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16400739 logman said:
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he doesn't have it anymore.

They can keep Watson, Jones can stay in NY, and they can just give up the 2.


I think Watson was getting closer last year before the injury. But there are certainly still doubts.

And while Watson isn't fat, but he's gotten thicker. I think it would be wise for him to get leaner this offseason.
Watson  
Toth029 : 2/16/2024 1:57 pm : link
Checked out and hasn't been nearly as good.

His record was 5-1 this year as a starter and only had one good game. The Browns have a terrific supporting cast and he still hasn't lived up to even half of what his contract is.

Oh and he's a rapist.
Irony  
Sy'56 : 2/16/2024 2:02 pm : link
I'm taking Jones in that scenario
How about Fields plus 2nd or 3rd over Watson for Jones  
Adirondack GMen : 2/16/2024 2:12 pm : link
Fields vs Watson
Passing

Completions 227 105
Attempts 370 171
Percentage 61.4 61.4
Yards

Yards 2,562. 1,115
Yds/Att 6.9 6.5
TD 16 7
INT 9 4
Sacked. 44 17

Rushing

Attempts 124 26
Yards 657 142
Yds/Att 5.3 5.5
Long 39 16
20+ 5 0
TD 4 1

Misc

Games 13 6
Fantasy Points 239 91
FPts/Gm 18.4 15.1
Snaps 829 383
Snaps/Gm 64 64
Points/100 Snaps 28.9 23.7
Compare Jones to Fields  
Adirondack GMen : 2/16/2024 2:20 pm : link
https://stathead.com/football/vs/justin-fields-vs-daniel-jones

My buddies  
pjcas18 : 2/16/2024 2:23 pm : link
who are Giants haters and I had a debate about which contract is worse Jones or Watson.

lol

I finally won most of them over that Jones is bad but Watson is worse and now people want to trade for that contract? holy shit.
RE: Got less than zero interest in Watson  
AcidTest : 2/16/2024 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16400614 JonC said:
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^This. I saw most of that exchange this morning, and the other three panelists correctly said this would be a terrible trade for the Giants. And that was just because of Watson's health and his monstrous contract. As someone else said, there is no way in hell Mara would let Watson be the "face" of this franchise.
RE: Irony  
AcidTest : 2/16/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16400820 Sy'56 said:
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I'm taking Jones in that scenario


Lesser of two evils. By far.
Nope  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2024 2:43 pm : link
would rather go 0-17
No thanks  
ThomasG : 2/16/2024 2:44 pm : link

Watson  
Archer : 2/16/2024 3:12 pm : link
How about Watson and one next year?
DJ catches a LOTTTA SHIT  
AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 3:22 pm : link
But things could absolutely be worse...
How about paying $60MM++ for Aaron bleepin Rodgers and have him play three four snaps for us in a season???
Oh my God...  
JohnG in Albany : 2/16/2024 3:22 pm : link
NO.

Why would anyone take on the player (at this point), the person, and possibly the worst contract in NFL history?
Why?  
Section331 : 2/16/2024 3:38 pm : link
Even if you want to overlook Watson offenses, he’s been awful since coming back. Besides, there is a less than zero chance John Mara signs off on replacing St Daniel with a sex offender.
Just looking at the numbers.....  
Kmed6000 : 2/16/2024 3:48 pm : link
Would have to be a post 6/1 trade and Cleveland would have a dead cap in 2024 of 17M and 2025 of 44M.

Giants would have a dead cap hit of 23M and 22M in 24'/25.

Giants would be responsible for 46M in salary for Watson for 3 years. So in 2025:

22M dead cap hit for Jones
46M salary for Watson

68M tied to Watson. Doesn't seem feasible for a guy that sucked.
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Banks : 2/16/2024 4:17 pm : link
Lmao at the Collins comparison. As noted, Christian Peter would be a better example and he was largely hated across all message boards.

As for the proposal, no. Beyond on his issues with women, he has looked terrible. I'm not sure he regains for. I sure wouldn't bet on it
RE: Interesting how Watson is a no, but Kerry Collins was a yes.  
NormanAllen_95 : 2/16/2024 4:36 pm : link
In comment 16400613 Optimus-NY said:
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lol


Well Watson would be a trade for a 50 mill a year contract and Collins was a cheap free agent acquisition signing... So yea they are similar moves I guess.

But I get the idea you are insinuating something else.
Giants will not sign Deshaun Watson  
Adam G in Big D : 2/16/2024 4:37 pm : link
I pinky promise.
No friggin way  
mavric : 2/16/2024 5:17 pm : link
Like throwing a cement block to a swimmer in danger of drowning

The front office would NEVER take on Watson, both for ethical and financial reasons
There's a reason  
Gman11 : 2/16/2024 5:31 pm : link
why Tannenbaum is not a GM.
Why?  
MauiYankee : 2/16/2024 6:01 pm : link
With the Slingin' Sicilian under contract, the QB position is locked up.
RE: We need an elite talent on a five year rookie contract  
gridirony : 2/16/2024 6:25 pm : link
In comment 16400634 The Mike said:
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Starting in 2024. Nothing else matters at this point.


The OL matters.

Yes, get an elite QB when available. But 2024? 2025? 2026?

It likely will take 1 to 2 years to build a functional line.

I will agree that there are many possible franchise QBs this year, where there likely won't be as many in the following couple of years.
RE: Something About Watson Just  
AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16400628 Trainmaster said:
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Rubs me the wrong way.

:-)

Hahahaaa
Hell no!!  
Fishmanjim57 : 2/16/2024 6:54 pm : link
There's no way Joe Schoen would do such a horrible trade. There's also no way that co-owner meddling Mara would approve such a deal.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/16/2024 6:55 pm : link
Watson was a stud with Houston, but has been blah @ best w/ Cleveland. He's a better QB than Jones. That's undeniable.

But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.
SF  
AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 6:58 pm : link
In comment 16401061 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Watson was a stud with Houston, but has been blah @ best w/ Cleveland. He's a better QB than Jones. That's undeniable.

But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.

If we had a OL and weapons,I may feel differently...
Do you think the NY market could deal with having him as our QB?
ARock.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/16/2024 7:06 pm : link
The whole 'big bad NY media' is complete horseshit IMO, at least in 2024. I think it mattered 20 years ago before social media/Twitter/everyone being online...I think Eli's personality was perfect for the area, while Rivers would have been a disaster here.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 2/16/2024 7:12 pm : link
I don't want Watson because of his off-field behavior but he hasn't been good since 2020. It's actually shocking how bad he's been.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 2/16/2024 7:23 pm : link
Also, I think you need at least two firsts to take on Watson's contract, it's that bad.
I never felt the guy was a championship QB...  
DefenseWins : 2/16/2024 7:41 pm : link
and is more valuable as a fantasy QB. Maybe not even that anymore.

I would not want him as our QB even at half the salary
All I can say is -  
section125 : 2/16/2024 7:54 pm : link
WTF?
RE: All I can say is -  
DefenseWins : 2/16/2024 8:07 pm : link
In comment 16401099 section125 said:
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WTF?


+1.... from the old section 131
Stuff like this from a former  
pjcas18 : 2/16/2024 8:08 pm : link
GM is what influences half the threads from fans on here and I guess it's kind of justified. They feel empowered. I mean if a former GM thinks this trade makes sense are they really smarter than the average fan?
SF  
AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16401068 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The whole 'big bad NY media' is complete horseshit IMO, at least in 2024. I think it mattered 20 years ago before social media/Twitter/everyone being online...I think Eli's personality was perfect for the area, while Rivers would have been a disaster here.

I was just talking to a buddy about the Eli/Rivers draftday deal and what would have been if it hadn't hapoened
watson  
fl giants fan : 2/16/2024 8:28 pm : link
if that was to happen, I would never root for them agin. Lets go get a criminal/asshole.
He would be a good fit in New England  
Giantimistic : 2/16/2024 8:37 pm : link
Kraft would ok the trade.
Why is this even a conversation?  
Giant John : 2/16/2024 10:50 pm : link
For so many reasons zero chance.
Pjcas  
AROCK1000 : 2/16/2024 11:06 pm : link
In comment 16401109 pjcas18 said:
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GM is what influences half the threads from fans on here and I guess it's kind of justified. They feel empowered. I mean if a former GM thinks this trade makes sense are they really smarter than the average fan?

Interesting take
Care to elaborate?
RE: I never felt the guy was a championship QB...  
JoeSchoens11 : 2/17/2024 8:10 am : link
In comment 16401087 DefenseWins said:
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and is more valuable as a fantasy QB. Maybe not even that anymore.

I would not want him as our QB even at half the salary
He literally is a championship qb and was special in his early nfl years grinding out wins with some clutch play.

I haven’t seen that guy since his…ahem…break from the game so he’s obviously not even a consideration. As it stands, both teams are looking forward to getting the contracts of their books. We just won’t have to wait as long.
RE: ...  
FStubbs : 2/17/2024 8:54 am : link
In comment 16401061 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Watson was a stud with Houston, but has been blah @ best w/ Cleveland. He's a better QB than Jones. That's undeniable.

But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.


I'm not sure this is true anymore.
Click bait  
56goat : 2/17/2024 9:15 am : link
DOA
RE: A lot less was known about a player's personal life  
Pete in MD : 2/17/2024 10:56 am : link
In comment 16400685 JonC said:
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and demons, even 20 years ago. Issues with alcohol and substances also isn't uncommon in the NFL.

It's actually very strange how Kerry Collins is still demonized, and made fun of to an extent, for having alcohol issues, while Brett Favre admitted to having a serious opioid addiction. Favre's is downplayed by saying he was addicted to "painkillers."
While I am a huge proponent  
Mike from Ohio : 2/17/2024 12:19 pm : link
of the owner letting the football people make football decisions, this type of decision is an owners to make. Trading for Watson is a reflection on the Giants franchise and reputation that goes beyond what he does on the field. He should be brought decisions like that to weigh in on, and I am sure he would veto it.

I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.

Why does anyone do this trade?
RE: While I am a huge proponent  
AROCK1000 : 2/17/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16401369 Mike from Ohio said:
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of the owner letting the football people make football decisions, this type of decision is an owners to make. Trading for Watson is a reflection on the Giants franchise and reputation that goes beyond what he does on the field. He should be brought decisions like that to weigh in on, and I am sure he would veto it.

I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.

Why does anyone do this trade?

Tannenbuam argued that the Browns get DJ who would benfit from a decent Ol and weapons around him
The Giants get a tremendous talent to build around for the next 3 yrs
RE: “ “We're not trading for Deshaun Watson.”  
Jim in Tampa : 2/17/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16400683 HardTruth said:
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- said “Mr. Not In Charge” John Mara

It would be funny if the Watson for Jones trade happened to see all the threads started asking the question:

Why didn't Mara do something to block the trade?
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