Xavier McKinney @mckinney15__
I want to be appreciated in every way for what I do and bring to the table . As a player and as a leader . I’ve stood by myself ten toes through the critics , the hate etc. sacrificing what those around me didn’t want too or were afraid too for those same people to make it a better situation for all of us . May not always have been beneficial for me but it was for US . Don’t let that go over your head . And I’d do it 10 times over again 🫡
Completely disagree. He has played several years and every snap last year. There is nothing else he needs to show that he hasn't already. You either want him or you don't.
The tag is above his market value and accomplishes nothing since we aren't competing for a Lombardi next year and just looking to keep him for some championship run. And we would have to negotiate with him again next year anyway.
So, it might be valuable to sign him to a reasonable deal with incentives or franchise him.
However, we can't keep letting talent just leave ALA Love.
Productive players, team leaders, solid people (mostly), dependable (mostly), would love to keep them on the team - at a reasonable cost.
If the player, their agent, or other teams have a different idea of reasonable, well then they will be ex-Giants and there will be additional holes to fill, using the money the Giants were offering.
George, as usual, you net things out very well. Everyone wants to build thru the draft and hit on your top picks … then when they actually do, it’s let him go because ya ya ya … he made 1 big mistake last year and hopefully learned from it; I hope they keep him.
At the right price. If he thinks he's worth 16m or more, the answer is "NO".
In comment 16400665 jeff57 said:
Then all the sudden, he makes 2 All Pro plays on back to back snaps.
Those weren't Stevie Brown INTs. Those were 2 elite plays in a row. I've never seen anyone play a WR screen like that. Great football play.
If it's been determined internally that he's a great player playing out of position, pay him. Playing every snap is unbelievable.
I had a similar reaction. I was like, "great, but where the hell has this been? You do this in a meaningless game right before free agency?"
Again - at what price/what fit.
We're changing the defense again for the 3rd time in four years under McKinney in his tenure here potentially.
Some folks continue to speak in absolutes - throwing those who like to intently analyze a lot of angles, and ignore a lot of key variables with players themselves, cap, coaching scheme fit.
my feelings too
PRICE is the deciding factor. Schoen will assign a # to him, and should NOT go above that point. More than likely, McKinney wants a LOT more than Schoen should be willing to give.
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In comment 16400696 djm said:
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Our pretty good defense, which for a brief moment actually looked like a good defense, is about to get worse. So that’s fun.
Pretty good is giving them a lot of credit...
27th against the run
That's all I have without looking anything up.
I'd be down to have him re-signed but if he wants Jessie Bates money, not sure that happens.
Probably harboring all of the negative comments/reactions after his atv injury
I’d love to have him back, but not if he’s trying to break the bank.
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And let him prove his worth again. He’s a solid but not star player. He also has some character concerns that need to addressed before signing him long term.
Completely disagree. He has played several years and every snap last year. There is nothing else he needs to show that he hasn't already. You either want him or you don't.
The tag is above his market value and accomplishes nothing since we aren't competing for a Lombardi next year and just looking to keep him for some championship run. And we would have to negotiate with him again next year anyway.
If that’s the case then you let him walk. He’s a solid but unspectacular player playing a position that can be replaced. The Giants have a capable player in Belton ready to step in. Belton is not as good in coverage, but he has a habit of making plays on the ball.
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He has all 10 toes.
Wow!
After the ATV accident, he's lucky he has all 10 fingers. Or has he forgotten?
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In comment 16400853 JoeyBigBlue said:
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And let him prove his worth again. He’s a solid but not star player. He also has some character concerns that need to addressed before signing him long term.
Completely disagree. He has played several years and every snap last year. There is nothing else he needs to show that he hasn't already. You either want him or you don't.
The tag is above his market value and accomplishes nothing since we aren't competing for a Lombardi next year and just looking to keep him for some championship run. And we would have to negotiate with him again next year anyway.
If that’s the case then you let him walk. He’s a solid but unspectacular player playing a position that can be replaced. The Giants have a capable player in Belton ready to step in. Belton is not as good in coverage, but he has a habit of making plays on the ball.
Give your opinion...is that the case or not?
I don't know why everybody runs to the tag as the default answer around here. Can contracts not be negotiated in good faith between two NFL parties anymore?
Besides Free Agency isn't the instant windfall it used to be like several years ago...GMs became more conservative once QB salaries went thru the roof and supply of more impactful WRs and CBs coming out of college increased.
I think Daboll loves him. Stood up for him with the Wink incident.
I would go $10 to $12 mill AAV because I do not think he is a game changer(yet), but he is reliable. Not sure what Schoen will do. However, I think another team will go after him fairly hard - $14 to $15 AAV for 5 years.
His age, availability and experience are in his favor and a great selling point for his agent.
I'd only give it a 20% chance he is back.
"I believe in myself and I bust my ass to be the best."
- Every player in every sport
I think it’s extremely difficult for fans to assess safety performance. And good safety play often results in things not happening, not highlight plays.
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Can anyone name an impactful game he has had?
I think it’s extremely difficult for fans to assess safety performance. And good safety play often results in things not happening, not highlight plays.
Budda Baker - ( New Window )
We can tag you at 14.5 guaranteed for one year.
Either do something long term next year or the team gets 14.5 for the 2025 cap.
You can get four years at 12 with 30 guaranteed. You be a FA again at 28.
Tagging (Transition or Franchise) are legitimate options.
We can tag you at 14.5 guaranteed for one year.
Either do something long term next year or the team gets 14.5 for the 2025 cap.
You can get four years at 12 with 30 guaranteed. You be a FA again at 28.
Tagging (Transition or Franchise) are legitimate options.
Update: The franchise tag is 17.2 and the transition is 13.9. That means his guaranteed money needs to be 35ish for him to sign 3 or 4 year deal.
Having Belton in the wings helps a bit, but are we sure he’ll play as well in a full time role? Losing X makes another hole to fill on a roster with more holes than a Swiss cheese factory. I’m not saying sign him at any cost, but he should be a priority.
Par for the course on BBI. People loves the backups and don't want to pay anyone and then the backups are forced to start and they suck and then BBI complains that we always let our talented home grown talent sign elsewhere
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The Giants can negotiate as follows if they want him:
We can tag you at 14.5 guaranteed for one year.
Either do something long term next year or the team gets 14.5 for the 2025 cap.
You can get four years at 12 with 30 guaranteed. You be a FA again at 28.
Tagging (Transition or Franchise) are legitimate options.
Update: The franchise tag is 17.2 and the transition is 13.9. That means his guaranteed money needs to be 35ish for him to sign 3 or 4 year deal.
If they "threaten" McKinney with the Franchise Tag he should sign it as soon as possible and pinch himself as he walks out of the room for hitting the sweepstakes.
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He’s made repeated Pro Bowls and apart from his 2019 tackles total, there’s nothing in the stat line that would lead you to believe he’s a multi year Pro Bowler and All Pro. In fact, his stats are often inferior to McKinney’s in 2023. Budda Baker - ( New Window )
The Pro Bowl isn't exactly an indicator of anything, unfortunately.
That's correct, a Pro Bowl honor is okay but not exactly special.
What would be special is McKinney asking for big money while never even sniffing a pro bowl nod at Safety. He must have learned that play from Leonard Williams.
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In comment 16401783 Reale01 said:
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The Giants can negotiate as follows if they want him:
We can tag you at 14.5 guaranteed for one year.
Either do something long term next year or the team gets 14.5 for the 2025 cap.
You can get four years at 12 with 30 guaranteed. You be a FA again at 28.
Tagging (Transition or Franchise) are legitimate options.
Update: The franchise tag is 17.2 and the transition is 13.9. That means his guaranteed money needs to be 35ish for him to sign 3 or 4 year deal.
If they "threaten" McKinney with the Franchise Tag he should sign it as soon as possible and pinch himself as he walks out of the room for hitting the sweepstakes.
I had the wrong number in my first post (Took it from somebody that posted).The transition tag (14) is what makes the most sense as a threat. 17 million gtd is pretty good deal for him and it would take a contract that was 35 million gtd to move him off of that.
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He’s made repeated Pro Bowls and apart from his 2019 tackles total, there’s nothing in the stat line that would lead you to believe he’s a multi year Pro Bowler and All Pro. In fact, his stats are often inferior to McKinney’s in 2023. Budda Baker - ( New Window )
The Pro Bowl isn't exactly an indicator of anything, unfortunately.
Baker also received 2 first team All Pro awards. But the point is that he’s one of the leagues best Safeties and there’s nothing in his statistical records that jumps out. I’m not disputing that Baker should have received the honors, but that the big plays you referred to earlier aren’t a sin qua non of high level play.