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Daniel Jones is Toast & John Mara is the only one in denial

Jripper4201 : 2/17/2024 8:29 am
I mean how does he not see it? He’s blown through three coaches, has never led the league in anything passing related, had one winning season in 6 years and is injury prone. His greatest season as a passer was his rookie year and even that is overblown. The guy had 3 huge games against three terrible teams the Lions, Jets and Redskins at the time. Aside of that the guy is a pedestrian check down QB who rarely throws deep with success, rarely throws for 300 years and defenses key on this in every game daring him to throw. This is a passing league, and he is not a very good passer. He also struggles with reads still. His ineptitude was even made clearer by Taylor and Devitos ability to push the ball down field. I just don’t see what can be unlocked in Jones. He’s our version of Trent Dilfer without a Super Bowl ring but then again that may be giving this guy way too much credit. I just cannot believe that in a crucial 3rd season for a coach and GM that they are going to hitch their wagon to this guy, coming off an ACL injury and whose had little success in this league. Despite what some people on this board say, this guy isn’t elite, has never sniffed elite and will never be a top 10 QB in this league. If Schoen and Daboll want to fall on a sword for Mara’s love affair with this guy, then they better get their resumes ready because 2024 is going to lead to both of them at the unemployment line and Mara looking like the idiot he’s been the almost last decade and a half.
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Ugh  
Harvest Blend : 2/17/2024 8:32 am : link
.

Here we go again.
Ground breaking  
DefenseWins : 2/17/2024 8:44 am : link
... maybe also start a thread letting us know for the first time that the earth is round
RE: Ground breaking  
ChrisRick : 2/17/2024 8:48 am : link
In comment 16401219 DefenseWins said:
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... maybe also start a thread letting us know for the first time that the earth is round


Umm, that is your OPINION man!!

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Stop yelling at the clouds  
Blueworm : 2/17/2024 8:50 am : link
-an old man.
Is there anyone left who hasn't trashed him yet?  
Blue21 : 2/17/2024 8:51 am : link
Let it go. Same ole same ole.
 
ryanmkeane : 2/17/2024 9:13 am : link
This guy sucks right?
Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )
If so  
RetroJint : 2/17/2024 9:14 am : link
then it must also be said that Daniel is very affluent toast. And that Mara is enormously more affluent toast …and that is the essential problem with things. There are no repercussions for the House of Squint.
A question Mr Einstein …did you come up with all this yourself?  
Spider56 : 2/17/2024 9:28 am : link
If so, wow … I’m impressed.
If Sterling Shepherds  
MojoEd : 2/17/2024 9:29 am : link
Best years weren’t ruined by poor talent around them, he and DJ would have been like Rice and Montana. [sigh]
We'll always have Minnesota  
ThomasG : 2/17/2024 9:31 am : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


RE: …  
markky : 2/17/2024 9:32 am : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


I only saw one play where Jones didn't take off running when his first read wasn't there. And that was the throw to Hodgins when Jones started to take off running when his first read wasn't open but then Hodgins was right where Jones was going to run to.
RE: …  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2024 9:43 am : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


You’re starting to remind me of Japanese holdouts after the end of WWII.
Jripper  
M.S. : 2/17/2024 9:55 am : link

This song is for you!
The Beatles - Day Tripper (Official Video) - ( New Window )
A lot of teams need a better qb  
kelly : 2/17/2024 10:05 am : link
If it was easy to solve there wouldn't be so many teams looking to upgrade.

Maybe the better question is how can you improve the team and be competitive without having a high level qb.
RE: Jripper  
M.S. : 2/17/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16401283 M.S. said:
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This song is for you! The Beatles - Day Tripper (Official Video) - ( New Window )

Ooops... hit the submit button too fast.

One of my favorite Beatles' song. Every time I see your handle, it looks like the title of this song!
RE: …  
ajr2456 : 2/17/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


This guy sucks right?
Does he suck? - ( New Window )
RE: …  
Scooter185 : 2/17/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


Mac Jones also demolished the 2022 Vikings D. Does he not suck?
...  
26.2 : 2/17/2024 10:16 am : link
I want him to be good. Plus we are stuck with him and his salary cap number for at least one year regardless if he plays well or even plays at all. What else is there to debate about him? Whether we draft his replacement or not?
By your reasoning...Schoen and Daboll would be safe because Mara  
GiantBlue : 2/17/2024 10:28 am : link
is the one in love with Jones and he controls their fates.

Jones  
Cheech d : 2/17/2024 10:32 am : link
Please stop
RE: RE: …  
ajr2456 : 2/17/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16401301 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:


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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )



Mac Jones also demolished the 2022 Vikings D. Does he not suck?


Had a better game as a passer too
The OCD on Jones  
Giants : 2/17/2024 11:05 am : link
At this point the only ones in denial are daily DJ posters
RE: The OCD on Jones  
Toth029 : 2/17/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16401325 Giants said:
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At this point the only ones in denial are daily DJ posters


Door swings both ways. It's exhausting.
Paging Captain Obvious  
varco : 2/17/2024 11:27 am : link
Look, EVERYONE (including Mara and Tisch) already know this. All teams make costly mistakes. The key is how and when to get out of it. I'm sure they have all the financial angles sorted out already.

They are not going to announce it to the world or tip their hand to satisfy the posters on BBI.

Let this play out. At this point, it's just piling on, isn't helpful and just boring.
Only another 85 of these threads before draft  
ZogZerg : 2/17/2024 11:44 am : link
Yippie
RE: RE: …  
Blue The Dog : 2/17/2024 11:47 am : link
In comment 16401300 ajr2456 said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )



This guy sucks right? Does he suck? - ( New Window )


What about this guy? Surely because these guys won wildcard games, they are franchise QBs right?
link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: …  
bw in dc : 2/17/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16401301 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:


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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


Mac Jones also demolished the 2022 Vikings D. Does he not suck?


I think Mike White threw for 400 yards against the Minnesota Swiss Cheese.
Never change, Ryan  
Mike from Ohio : 2/17/2024 12:10 pm : link
The guy has started 60 NFL games and your full evaluation of him comes down to a single start.

Is it more important because it is the playoffs? How did he do against the Eagles the week after?

I'm sure you are a nice guy, but your posts about Daniel Jones are so desperately emotional they just can't be taken seriously as football opinions.

And to the OP - the vast majority of people are where you are. We don't need more "Jones isn't very good" threads.
Kurt Warner says  
Scooter185 : 2/17/2024 12:10 pm : link
Bears need to learn from Giant's mistake
Bears should learn from Giants’ Daniel Jones mistake in Justin Fields decision: Kurt Warner - ( New Window )
RE: Kurt Warner says  
Toth029 : 2/17/2024 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16401360 Scooter185 said:
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Bears need to learn from Giant's mistake Bears should learn from Giants’ Daniel Jones mistake in Justin Fields decision: Kurt Warner - ( New Window )


Jones has had that fumbles-too-much moniker because of his first season. Those gimble numbers have dipped since his second season.

Yet Fields has 38 fumbles in 38 games and no one cares. His inconsistencies is too much to ignore especially with having good talent around him like DJ Moore and Cole Kmet. I've still seen posters in here who would welcome him in NY.
RE: Kurt Warner says  
bw in dc : 2/17/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16401360 Scooter185 said:
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Bears need to learn from Giant's mistake Bears should learn from Giants’ Daniel Jones mistake in Justin Fields decision: Kurt Warner - ( New Window )


It's a very smart point by Warner.

However, Fields is more talented than Jones. If someone can get his mind right - and that's a big if - the sky might be the limit. The DJFC like to say how bad the surroundings have been for Jones. But I would argue the Bears have been even worse for Fields. At least Jones has had the benefit of a few good offensive minds...
And yet the Bears  
ajr2456 : 2/17/2024 12:35 pm : link
Are still going to move on from him without needing 6 years to evaluate him so not sure his flaws go unnoticed
….  
ryanmkeane : 2/17/2024 12:40 pm : link
Mike - problem with people like you is that you are on a message board and still can’t fathom someone having a different opinion than you. Do you realize how stupid that is?
Daniel Jones is Toast & John Mara is the only one in denial  
Spider43 : 2/17/2024 12:52 pm : link
HUH?! Jonestown is alive and well on BBI.
The OP assumes the Giants aren't going to draft a QB  
Sean : 2/17/2024 12:52 pm : link
Why?
RE: ….  
ajr2456 : 2/17/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16401383 ryanmkeane said:
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Mike - problem with people like you is that you are on a message board and still can’t fathom someone having a different opinion than you. Do you realize how stupid that is?


Mirror mirror on the wall
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2024 12:59 pm : link
In ryan's mind, that Jones WC performance should be sent to Canton.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 2/17/2024 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16401395 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In ryan's mind, that Jones WC performance should be sent to Canton.


I want to say ryan was staking a position last year that he would take Jones over LJax. Zero hesitation.

I want to say Allen, too. But I may be getting him mixed up with a fellow zealot in the DJFC.
I do recall his response  
ajr2456 : 2/17/2024 1:22 pm : link
To people who had a differing opinion on paying Jones was “he’s going to be here along time, deal with it”

But it’s everyone else who has issues with differing opinions.
RE: …  
Ned In Atlanta : 2/17/2024 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )



Do you count the Vikings wildcard game as our 5th Super Bowl ? I'm thinking yes
RE: Ugh  
Mayo2JZ : 2/17/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16401213 Harvest Blend said:
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Here we go again.


Department of Redundancy Department
This guy sure does  
HomerJones45 : 2/17/2024 1:57 pm : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )
Just ask his coach
Daniel Jones sucks - ( New Window )
RE: This guy sure does  
BleedBlue46 : 2/17/2024 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16401427 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:


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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )

Just ask his coach Daniel Jones sucks - ( New Window )


That was the moment I lost all faith in DJ and started looking at qb prospects. We will get one of the top 4 qbs this year
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2024 2:42 pm : link
When the Jones era inevitably comes to an end, you’ll have his defenders being like ‘BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT VIKINGS PLAYOFF GAME HATERS!!!’

I have never seen a player get so much mileage out of a performance vs. a horrific defense.
RE: …  
bwitz : 2/17/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16401245 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy sucks right? Jones against Vikings, Wildcard round - ( New Window )


He sure does. Get a clue.
RE: ….  
bwitz : 2/17/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16401383 ryanmkeane said:
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Mike - problem with people like you is that you are on a message board and still can’t fathom someone having a different opinion than you. Do you realize how stupid that is?


When your opinion is shit and based on straw man arguments to back it up, you deserve the ridicule.
Didya hear? Daniel Jones won a road playoff game.  
Manhattan : 2/17/2024 3:07 pm : link
Wowee Zowee... Nobody ever did that before. And it was a Wild Card game. That's like better than the Super Bowl. It was historic
The reality is  
JohnF : 2/17/2024 3:24 pm : link
Daniel Jones will still be on the Giants in 2024, and if healthy will start as QB1. That's even if the team drafts a QB or signs a vet.

Jones will be better than almost any free agent QB that the Giants can afford (based on the cap), and it's foolish to throw a rookie QB into the fire. The best case scenario is that we draft a QB, and Jones gets "Kurt Warnered" halfway through the season (either from injury or lousy play). That would allow the rookie to get his feet wet and Daboll to prepare him.

We all know what Jones is after all his time here, and so does Mara, the Giants FO, and the Coaches (even though they won't express it in public for OBVIOUS reasons!!!). The key here is to have a proper plan in place to replace him.
RE: The reality is  
Manhattan : 2/17/2024 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16401471 JohnF said:
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Daniel Jones will still be on the Giants in 2024, and if healthy will start as QB1. That's even if the team drafts a QB or signs a vet.

Jones will be better than almost any free agent QB that the Giants can afford (based on the cap), and it's foolish to throw a rookie QB into the fire. The best case scenario is that we draft a QB, and Jones gets "Kurt Warnered" halfway through the season (either from injury or lousy play). That would allow the rookie to get his feet wet and Daboll to prepare him.

We all know what Jones is after all his time here, and so does Mara, the Giants FO, and the Coaches (even though they won't express it in public for OBVIOUS reasons!!!). The key here is to have a proper plan in place to replace him.


Right.. if we have no guts or vision this is what will happen. Thanks for your *real* take.
Just Wait Until  
MojoEd : 2/17/2024 4:06 pm : link
Jones triggers his 2025 injury guarantee (neck?). He won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
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