Pretty much like other mocks lately.
1. Caleb Williams - Bears
2. Jaylen Daniels - Commanders
3. Drake Maye - Patriots
4. Marvin Harrison Jr. - Cardinals
5. Joe Alt - Chargers
6. Malik Nabors - Giants "The kind of weapon Daniel Jones has never had.
Joe Schoen’s need for speed hasn’t stopped."
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3 top. Not 2.
Let's be honest here. The QB the Redskins choose will almost surely be a bust.
Why do the WR's get a room, but the RB's don't?
I would be pretty sad if the Redskins got JD as he has been my top favorite qb prospects for close to 5 months now and we'd have to see him twice a year but it's looking that is the most likely spot for JD rn >.<
Nabors will be great.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Nabors will be great.
So you're counting on a historical trend even though they have new management? Do you believe in jinxes or something?
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the Commies get. They fuck it up every time. We whine and whatever player they get is a bust.
Nabors will be great.
So you're counting on a historical trend even though they have new management? Do you believe in jinxes or something?
Why does anyone care who they draft. Giants have no control over who the draft. Focus on who the Giants draft. That and their WR room is not so great either...
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, and Kadarius Toney were weapons?
* Jones doesn't ever look deep or seem to be able to pull the trigger on downfield throws.
* Well, maybe you didn't notice that this crappy OL never gives him sufficient time to throw.
Rinse, Repeat.
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Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Darren Waller & Jalin Hyatt. Jones just needs some weapons.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
I am serious and don't call me surely.
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Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Darren Waller & Jalin Hyatt. Jones just needs some weapons.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
Ryan, I'm tired of this never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel. As Thomas mentions above, Nabers won't get the ball and everyone will scream about the OL. We can all see it from a mile away.
I'm not excited about spending ANOTHER premium draft pick on the OL, but I'd rather that than a WR. Bump Neal inside potentially and draft an OT. I don't think the WR's on the team are that bad.
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Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Darren Waller & Jalin Hyatt. Jones just needs some weapons.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
Ryan, I'm tired of this never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel. As Thomas mentions above, Nabers won't get the ball and everyone will scream about the OL. We can all see it from a mile away.
I'm not excited about spending ANOTHER premium draft pick on the OL, but I'd rather that than a WR. Bump Neal inside potentially and draft an OT. I don't think the WR's on the team are that bad.
Never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel? Who have they really added?
Golden Tate was old as fuck and finished before he got to the Giants.
Kenny Golladay was coming off a season where he played 5 games and never looked the same after the injury.
Kadarius Toney is a complete fucking moron that can't stay healthy and couldn't make it work with Andy Reid & Patrick Mahomes.
Darren Waller was a 31 year old TE that hadn't been able to stay healthy 2019-2020.
Wan'Dale Robinson has been hurt or coming back from injury for most of his Giants career.
Jalin Hyatt is a 3rd round pick that we all knew needed time to develop.
So what have they really done to give Daniel weapons? Got him a bunch of over the hill vets or injured players? I want to draft a QB in the 1st round, but let's not blame the Giants FO mistakes when it comes to adding WRs or TEs on Daniel Jones.
to say the Giants haven't been intentionally adding weapons for the offense is ridiculous.
Instead of focusing on how Toney or Golladay worked out, you have to look at it as it unfolded.
1. 1st round pick WR (Toney)
2. Huge FA contract at WR (Golladay) ($40M guaranteed $$$) today at WR there are 14 or so WR's in the entire league with that much guaranteed money and you're looking at the Tyreek Hills Davante Adams, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, levels of player or just below
3. 2nd round pick WR (Robinson)
4. Trade 3rd round pick for TE (Waller)
5. 3rd round pick at WR (Hyatt)
this is in addition to already having the #2 overall pick from the draft before Jones at RB.
So the Giants in the Jones years (and one season before to include Barkley) used
2 1sts (Barkley and Toney)
1 2nd (Robinson)
2 3rds (Hyatt and Waller)
Big FA contract (Golladay)
on RB, WR, and TE (just counting premium rounds which I consider 1-3). I bet not a lot of teams in the entire league used more assets on their skill players.
The results sucked because the FO picked the wrong players to draft or sign or some are still TBD or the similar failures on the OL had a ripple effect, but that's the same thing as the OL, but to say they didn't use premium resources on adding offensive skill position weapons is ridiculous.
So when you ask "who did they really bring in?" it's basically as disingenuous as saying the "the Giants have ignored the OL"
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Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Darren Waller & Jalin Hyatt. Jones just needs some weapons.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
Ryan, I'm tired of this never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel. As Thomas mentions above, Nabers won't get the ball and everyone will scream about the OL. We can all see it from a mile away.
I'm not excited about spending ANOTHER premium draft pick on the OL, but I'd rather that than a WR. Bump Neal inside potentially and draft an OT. I don't think the WR's on the team are that bad.
Jeezus. Another move Neal to guard post. Neal IS NOT a guard! Giants fans and their obsession with immediately moving tackles to guard if they struggle to start their careers is one of the most bizarre things about this fan base. Sure, sounds great. Let’s move a guy from RT to guard and then draft Alt and move him from his position of LT to RT. Let’s just keep putting players out of position, while using top 10 picks to do it. Then hope for the best!
We all know the OL needs upgrades. Why can every other team in the league put together quality OLines without having to use top 10 picks every single season? They don’t need to use another top 10 pick on yet another RT to build a better OL
to say the Giants haven't been intentionally adding weapons for the offense is ridiculous.
Instead of focusing on how Toney or Golladay worked out, you have to look at it as it unfolded.
1. 1st round pick WR (Toney)
2. Huge FA contract at WR (Golladay) ($40M guaranteed $$$) today at WR there are 14 or so WR's in the entire league with that much guaranteed money and you're looking at the Tyreek Hills Davante Adams, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, levels of player or just below
3. 2nd round pick WR (Robinson)
4. Trade 3rd round pick for TE (Waller)
5. 3rd round pick at WR (Hyatt)
this is in addition to already having the #2 overall pick from the draft before Jones at RB.
So the Giants in the Jones years (and one season before to include Barkley) used
2 1sts (Barkley and Toney)
1 2nd (Robinson)
2 3rds (Hyatt and Waller)
Big FA contract (Golladay)
on RB, WR, and TE (just counting premium rounds which I consider 1-3). I bet not a lot of teams in the entire league used more assets on their skill players.
The results sucked because the FO picked the wrong players to draft or sign or some are still TBD or the similar failures on the OL had a ripple effect, but that's the same thing as the OL, but to say they didn't use premium resources on adding offensive skill position weapons is ridiculous.
So when you ask "who did they really bring in?" it's basically as disingenuous as saying the "the Giants have ignored the OL"
Nobody said they didn't use premium resources on signing skill position players. It was very clearly pointed out that the front office consistently picked the wrong players. Whether that was players with significant injury histories or players that were old coming off shitty seasons or players that were complete fucking morons off the field.
None of the names mentioned should prevent the Giants from taking a guy like MHJr/Nabers/Rome. Like I stated above I want a QB in the 1st round and if I was the GM I would do anything I could to get one. We can't blame Daniel Jones on guys like Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay & Kadarius Toney not working out.
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quarterback the skill positions like they do the OL. the Giants have invested in both significantly, but neither has consistently worked out.
to say the Giants haven't been intentionally adding weapons for the offense is ridiculous.
Instead of focusing on how Toney or Golladay worked out, you have to look at it as it unfolded.
1. 1st round pick WR (Toney)
2. Huge FA contract at WR (Golladay) ($40M guaranteed $$$) today at WR there are 14 or so WR's in the entire league with that much guaranteed money and you're looking at the Tyreek Hills Davante Adams, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, levels of player or just below
3. 2nd round pick WR (Robinson)
4. Trade 3rd round pick for TE (Waller)
5. 3rd round pick at WR (Hyatt)
this is in addition to already having the #2 overall pick from the draft before Jones at RB.
So the Giants in the Jones years (and one season before to include Barkley) used
2 1sts (Barkley and Toney)
1 2nd (Robinson)
2 3rds (Hyatt and Waller)
Big FA contract (Golladay)
on RB, WR, and TE (just counting premium rounds which I consider 1-3). I bet not a lot of teams in the entire league used more assets on their skill players.
The results sucked because the FO picked the wrong players to draft or sign or some are still TBD or the similar failures on the OL had a ripple effect, but that's the same thing as the OL, but to say they didn't use premium resources on adding offensive skill position weapons is ridiculous.
So when you ask "who did they really bring in?" it's basically as disingenuous as saying the "the Giants have ignored the OL"
Nobody said they didn't use premium resources on signing skill position players. It was very clearly pointed out that the front office consistently picked the wrong players. Whether that was players with significant injury histories or players that were old coming off shitty seasons or players that were complete fucking morons off the field.
None of the names mentioned should prevent the Giants from taking a guy like MHJr/Nabers/Rome. Like I stated above I want a QB in the 1st round and if I was the GM I would do anything I could to get one. We can't blame Daniel Jones on guys like Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay & Kadarius Toney not working out.
I agree with all of that
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
QB I’d at ALL possible, otherwise WR.
Like the imbecile Eric Bieniemy showed, running a pass happy offense with that horrendous offensive line is a recipe for disaster.
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
There are several really good starting guards that could be available in FA. “Going young” always sounds promising. Until you find out those young players aren’t ready or aren’t any good. The Giants are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. There’s nothing wrong with adding veterans to an OLine that desperately needs someone next to them that knows what the hell they are doing. Not every player on the team needs to be 21 and younger. And if they don’t want to risk FA, this draft is deep in interior OL. They’ll be able to get a very good prospect in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The fall off from Nabers/Odunze to the 2nd and 3rd round WRs is far, far greater than the separation of guards. And they aren’t drafting another RT in the top ten just to giving up on Neal after 19 games and moving him to freakin guard.
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
There are several really good starting guards that could be available in FA. “Going young” always sounds promising. Until you find out those young players aren’t ready or aren’t any good. The Giants are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. There’s nothing wrong with adding veterans to an OLine that desperately needs someone next to them that knows what the hell they are doing. Not every player on the team needs to be 21 and younger. And if they don’t want to risk FA, this draft is deep in interior OL. They’ll be able to get a very good prospect in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The fall off from Nabers/Odunze to the 2nd and 3rd round WRs is far, far greater than the separation of guards. And they aren’t drafting another RT in the top ten just to giving up on Neal after 19 games and moving him to freakin guard.
The OL in FA doesn't need to be "21" but what good is getting one that is going be fading in 2 years? There are no Super Bawl Aspirations this upcoming year or next - so why waste cap money on a another likely 6-11 outcome? Just so we can parade around a WR that gets us those 6 wins?
Getting an OL 2nd round is good - so sure can get a WR rd 1 then get an OL rd 2. That is fine if you can't trade back in rd 1. I get it-- possible the two WRs outside of MHV are spectacular too.
But I just want to add what I mentioned in past threads: Jefferson has never taken Minny anywhere as great as he is. And Hill hasn't taken Miami anywhere as great as he is. Chase goes as far as Burrow is healthy. These are all-time great WR's.
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
There are several really good starting guards that could be available in FA. “Going young” always sounds promising. Until you find out those young players aren’t ready or aren’t any good. The Giants are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. There’s nothing wrong with adding veterans to an OLine that desperately needs someone next to them that knows what the hell they are doing. Not every player on the team needs to be 21 and younger. And if they don’t want to risk FA, this draft is deep in interior OL. They’ll be able to get a very good prospect in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The fall off from Nabers/Odunze to the 2nd and 3rd round WRs is far, far greater than the separation of guards. And they aren’t drafting another RT in the top ten just to giving up on Neal after 19 games and moving him to freakin guard.
The OL in FA doesn't need to be "21" but what good is getting one that is going be fading in 2 years? There are no Super Bawl Aspirations this upcoming year or next - so why waste cap money on a another likely 6-11 outcome? Just so we can parade around a WR that gets us those 6 wins?
Getting an OL 2nd round is good - so sure can get a WR rd 1 then get an OL rd 2. That is fine if you can't trade back in rd 1. I get it-- possible the two WRs outside of MHV are spectacular too.
But I just want to add what I mentioned in past threads: Jefferson has never taken Minny anywhere as great as he is. And Hill hasn't taken Miami anywhere as great as he is. Chase goes as far as Burrow is healthy. These are all-time great WR's.
But we can play that game with every single position. Quentin Nelson hasn’t won shit. Dallas’ vaunted OL with Zack Martin and Tryron Smith haven’t won shit. There are great players at EVERY position that haven’t won shit
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If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
There are several really good starting guards that could be available in FA. “Going young” always sounds promising. Until you find out those young players aren’t ready or aren’t any good. The Giants are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. There’s nothing wrong with adding veterans to an OLine that desperately needs someone next to them that knows what the hell they are doing. Not every player on the team needs to be 21 and younger. And if they don’t want to risk FA, this draft is deep in interior OL. They’ll be able to get a very good prospect in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The fall off from Nabers/Odunze to the 2nd and 3rd round WRs is far, far greater than the separation of guards. And they aren’t drafting another RT in the top ten just to giving up on Neal after 19 games and moving him to freakin guard.
The OL in FA doesn't need to be "21" but what good is getting one that is going be fading in 2 years? There are no Super Bawl Aspirations this upcoming year or next - so why waste cap money on a another likely 6-11 outcome? Just so we can parade around a WR that gets us those 6 wins?
Getting an OL 2nd round is good - so sure can get a WR rd 1 then get an OL rd 2. That is fine if you can't trade back in rd 1. I get it-- possible the two WRs outside of MHV are spectacular too.
But I just want to add what I mentioned in past threads: Jefferson has never taken Minny anywhere as great as he is. And Hill hasn't taken Miami anywhere as great as he is. Chase goes as far as Burrow is healthy. These are all-time great WR's.
But we can play that game with every single position. Quentin Nelson hasn’t won shit. Dallas’ vaunted OL with Zack Martin and Tryron Smith haven’t won shit. There are great players at EVERY position that haven’t won shit
QNelson has won a lot more than the WR's I mentioned with a 4th rd QB pick. Chase won more receently though with a number 1 overall QB pick which isn't realistcially in the Giants grasp.
I dont believe any of teh WR's I menioned will end up beign as good as QNelson has bene in terms of longevity.
The Chiefs just won two SBs with trash WRs after trading away a HoF caliber WR. Hopefully the morons here will get a clue someday but I’m not holding my breath.
The Chiefs just won two SBs with trash WRs after trading away a HoF caliber WR. Hopefully the morons here will get a clue someday but I’m not holding my breath.
The foundation of that team is Patrick Mahomes, not whatever random foundation that you’ve created in your head. The Chiefs also won a Super Bowl WITH Tyreek Hill and a massively flawed OL and defense. Weird, right?
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
To be fair, there are some OL worth signing that are around 26-29 years old and could do well for 3-4 years. If we hit on a qb in rd1 it would be nice to have another good lineman for 4 years. I'm not really sure how much cap room we have, but I'd rather draft an ol in rd 2 and a wr in rd2 qb in rd1 and sign an edge rusher and ol than signing a wr or any other positions.
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I don't want OL in the top 10. I want a QB. I just don't think adding a WR right now with a top 10 pick makes much sense, especially in a deep class.
If they can add a legit guard and a quality swing tackle in FA, WR would make a TON of sense. They aren’t coming out of FA with this same OLine. They can also add another quality guard in the 2nd round. There are ways to address OL.
And the same stuff they've tried ot do in the past as well. Same noise. But if you get the OL in FA- you're either paying top dollar for one in which many complained of paying top dollar getting another early rd draft OL, or you are getting another retread.
The team should be looking to build - go young. Please not another Nate Solder for a team that should be rebuilding.
How is what you're proposing not another same thing Sean was complaining about with the WR failed pickups?
The team needs to understand they are in rebuild. Not "retool." Therefore a QB pick in rd 1 should not be desperate. Too many holes.
I think Jermaine Eluemunor is on the up and up and would be a great signing. He is versatile and could slide to guard but he is most suited to RT. He just turned 29 and I think his best is ahead of him, he played well last year and improved greatly. We also have his former OL coach who had him make great strides and play the best football of his career. Then draft a guard or versatile o lineman like Graham Barton or Cooper Beebe with our 2nd rd2 pick and a wr like Troy Franklin or Xavier Leggette with our first rd 2 pick. Top 4 qb with our 1st rd pick. Then a RB in rd3 or 4, Letting Saquon walk unless he signs a reasonable hometeam deal. Murphy Bunting CB plus an edge and dl or two in free agency. That would be an ideal offseason to me.
Oh god. We’re on this again? Didn’t you all learn your lesson after Kyle Pitts? I don’t want to hear anything about a TE with the 6th pick. Pitts was a “generational” talent too.
Whether it be through drafting, FA, coaching i don't care, but it better be fixed.
And i don't want to hear " we thought" no, i want it fixed. No excuses. No we thought this player would develope, no we thought it was a coaching problem, none of it.
They better have a plan A, a plan B and a plan C. No more excuses.
Actually he did, and overthrew him.
Last series of NYG downs before the ACL possession went like so:
1st & 10 at LV 43
(6:58 - 1st) D.Jones pass incomplete deep left to J.Hyatt.
2nd & 10 at LV 43
(6:51 - 1st) S.Barkley up the middle to LV 36 for 7 yards (I.Pola-Mao).
3rd & 3 at LV 36
(6:11 - 1st) (Shotgun) M.Breida up the middle to LV 34 for 2 yards (T.Wilson).
4th & 1 at LV 34
(5:41 - 1st) D.Jones up the middle to LV 34 for no gain (M.Crosby).
Jones overthrew an open Hyatt on first down. Barkley and Breida gained 9 yards on two carries. Then Jones got stuffed on the 4th and 1 QB sneak to turn the ball over.
He can do it all.
Whether it be through drafting, FA, coaching i don't care, but it better be fixed.
And i don't want to hear " we thought" no, i want it fixed. No excuses. No we thought this player would develope, no we thought it was a coaching problem, none of it.
They better have a plan A, a plan B and a plan C. No more excuses.
Sign a top FA lineman and draft someone like Cooper Beebe or Graham Barton in rd 2 is my best idea. It's a strong draft for qb, ol and wr. If we are lucky we could get a great ol, qb and wr with out 3 top picks. Seems like it's been long enough of a bad patch to deserve a little good luck. Could this be the year? Jermaine Eluemunor, Beebe or Barton, one of the top 4 qbs and Troy Franklin or Xavier Leggette plz God thx
Whether it be through drafting, FA, coaching i don't care, but it better be fixed.
And i don't want to hear " we thought" no, i want it fixed. No excuses. No we thought this player would develope, no we thought it was a coaching problem, none of it.
They better have a plan A, a plan B and a plan C. No more excuses.
What do you mena by "fixed?"
Just need to see upward trends. We're in a rebuild. AT least 3/5ths should be settled by end of next year. OFc I'd prefer 4/5ths - but doubtful all 5 can be settled.
And btw, I know some posters hate to hear this - but per the link below there is a case being made that Neal could be a good LG. -- I'm not a scout - so don't crush me - just provididng the link I found. I don't know. Others with far better background can speak to this- Just sayin though . . .
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/is-evan-neal-salvegable-as-an-offensive-tackle
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/is-evan-neal-a-better-fit-at-guard-or-tackle
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Golden Tate, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Darren Waller & Jalin Hyatt. Jones just needs some weapons.
Can't wait for Nabers to be running free only for Jones to check down or run for the sticks.
Surely you understand the difference between a top 10 draft pick and those players you mentioned?
Ryan, I'm tired of this never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel. As Thomas mentions above, Nabers won't get the ball and everyone will scream about the OL. We can all see it from a mile away.
I'm not excited about spending ANOTHER premium draft pick on the OL, but I'd rather that than a WR. Bump Neal inside potentially and draft an OT. I don't think the WR's on the team are that bad.
Never ending cycle of adding a weapon for Daniel? Who have they really added?
Golden Tate was old as fuck and finished before he got to the Giants.
Kenny Golladay was coming off a season where he played 5 games and never looked the same after the injury.
Kadarius Toney is a complete fucking moron that can't stay healthy and couldn't make it work with Andy Reid & Patrick Mahomes.
Darren Waller was a 31 year old TE that hadn't been able to stay healthy 2019-2020.
Wan'Dale Robinson has been hurt or coming back from injury for most of his Giants career.
Jalin Hyatt is a 3rd round pick that we all knew needed time to develop.
So what have they really done to give Daniel weapons? Got him a bunch of over the hill vets or injured players? I want to draft a QB in the 1st round, but let's not blame the Giants FO mistakes when it comes to adding WRs or TEs on Daniel Jones.
Spot on post Rick.
I agree. Runs the tree and has great hands.
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Hyatt was WIDE OPEN multiple-MULTIPLE-times downfield in the LVR game before Jones went down & the $40 Million Dollar Fraud didn't even look his way.
Actually he did, and overthrew him.
Last series of NYG downs before the ACL possession went like so:
1st & 10 at LV 43
(6:58 - 1st) D.Jones pass incomplete deep left to J.Hyatt.
2nd & 10 at LV 43
(6:51 - 1st) S.Barkley up the middle to LV 36 for 7 yards (I.Pola-Mao).
3rd & 3 at LV 36
(6:11 - 1st) (Shotgun) M.Breida up the middle to LV 34 for 2 yards (T.Wilson).
4th & 1 at LV 34
(5:41 - 1st) D.Jones up the middle to LV 34 for no gain (M.Crosby).
Jones overthrew an open Hyatt on first down. Barkley and Breida gained 9 yards on two carries. Then Jones got stuffed on the 4th and 1 QB sneak to turn the ball over.
He can do it all.
I think it was pretty clear that Jones was rushed back from the neck injury was still not right in that game
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Would be idiotic. They need to be spending picks on the foundation to build a consistent winner — not window dressing, which is what any receiver at 6 is.
The Chiefs just won two SBs with trash WRs after trading away a HoF caliber WR. Hopefully the morons here will get a clue someday but I’m not holding my breath.
The foundation of that team is Patrick Mahomes, not whatever random foundation that you’ve created in your head. The Chiefs also won a Super Bowl WITH Tyreek Hill and a massively flawed OL and defense. Weird, right?
QB, OL, pass rush. That’s what wins. The Giants can get one of those at 6.
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Nabers is going to absolutely explode on the scene. He reminds me so much of Beckham.
I agree. Runs the tree and has great hands.
I'd rather Xavier leggette or Troy Franklin on the 2nd
* Jones doesn't ever look deep or seem to be able to pull the trigger on downfield throws.
* Well, maybe you didn't notice that this crappy OL never gives him sufficient time to throw.
Rinse, Repeat.
lol, spot on. You know this is coming.