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| Art Stapleton @art_stapleton The easy thing is to just keep people on the hot seat, keep firing them when they don’t win and it’s a vicious cycle that has engulfed this entire franchise going on 13 years and counting. Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll don’t belong on the hot seat right now. Yes, there’s pressure to succeed and make smart decisions this year. They are accountable and on the clock. But barring a total disaster, this should not be a make or break season. Let it play out, see where they are and assess at the end of 2024. The perception is what it is, but I’m not falling for the banana in the tail pipe. |
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| Art Stapleton @art_stapleton Giants have poisoned their own fan base and parts of their organization with all the bad decisions and losing that they’ve done for a decade. It’s such a warped sense of reality that in two years, one year that was praised, unbelievably across the league. Two years ago, the Giants hired one of the best candidates on the market for both their GM and head coaching jobs. Sooner or later, they’re going to have to let talented people work through mistakes, shortcomings, and overall incompetence that lingers from previous failed regimes. Get off the carousel, wake up and have some patience to see if they’re going to fail because of who they are, if they’re going to succeed because who they are and not because of what came before them. |
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton The meddling stuff is folly. Fans want Mara to meddle when he doesn't, and if he doesn't, he gets ripped for not stepping in and meddling. He's the owner. He stays out of the way, but he's involved. He's not an ivory tower guy. Fans have seen him waiting in parking garages for his car at Town Hall. He flies commercial. As with any owner, there are good decisions and bad decisions, and Mara owns all of them - he signs off on it all, either verbally or just allowing it to happen. After Jerry Reese, Mara wanted a GM to be the voice for the football ops. Reese was not that guy. Thought he had that with Gettleman, and obviously we saw how that turned out. There's a reason why Mara has stepped into the background: he wants the GM to be the face. That's Joe Schoen. Mara will talk on league matters and give an occasional State of the Giants, but those are more rare because he would rather Schoen be that representative for the organization. |
Oh in no way do I blame Jones for those injuries. It’s football. But Schoen has to factor the incidence of those injuries, the excessive cost/per capita importance of the position, and going forward in figuring out a new calculus.
I think there are two independent calculations.
1) What's the general likelihood of a quarterback getting hurt behind a line that allows the most fast pressures in the league? I'd imagine it's appreciably higher than say if that line gave up the average amount.
2) What's the general likelihood of Daniel Jones playing 17 games and producing in the top 3rd of the counting and efficiency stats *if* the line achieves the above?
I'd imagine when weighing both those factors, the logical outcome is improve the line and replace the quarterback.
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On the Van Ginkel sack Jones had no opportunity to get rid of the ball, on the Crosby sack he did. But neither is a play where Jones was sitting back there recklessly.
Oh in no way do I blame Jones for those injuries. It’s football. But Schoen has to factor the incidence of those injuries, the excessive cost/per capita importance of the position, and going forward in figuring out a new calculus.
I think there are two independent calculations.
1) What's the general likelihood of a quarterback getting hurt behind a line that allows the most fast pressures in the league? I'd imagine it's appreciably higher than say if that line gave up the average amount.
2) What's the general likelihood of Daniel Jones playing 17 games and producing in the top 3rd of the counting and efficiency stats *if* the line achieves the above?
I'd imagine when weighing both those factors, the logical outcome is improve the line and replace the quarterback.
Yes and this where I think the 2024 pivot point presents that.
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Ten tight ends in the NFL make 10 million a year or more, including Waller. There's also an out from the deal in 24 that they can exit with 7m in dead cap. Again, not a major commitment.
The reason the move was celebrated at the time, and I mean by analysts who cover the sport, not fans, was because it wasn't a lot to give up for a productive player when healthy. The caveat was always health and we knew that on the front end.
It might still not work out, but you traded the Toney pick for him.
Changing perspectives on the trade now because of dissatisfaction and turning it into some blunder of a move isn't honest. Everyone knew he was an injury risk.
Schoen restructured his 2023 salary into a restructure bonus, which is what created the deferred money and the remaining dollars to account for. I'm not concerned about the dead money if he's cut, that's included in the 12.1M I quoted.
All I'm saying is he paid him top 10ish money for one year (so far), and gave up a top 100 pick. That's simply not nothing.
Half this site went apoplectic (me included) when Gettleman signed Kyle Rudolph with a known injury, and that cost no picks and 7M.
That's why I said *relatively nothing*.
Regarding Kyle Rudolph, it was really, really evident he was a washed up player when they signed him. He hadn't done anything in four years.
I think Jones has a fatal flaw, which is the speed at which he makes the right decision. And the only way to adjust for that is a really good line and a really good run game.
If you're going to go chase a really good line and a really good run game, you should also go chase a really good QB while you're at it.
That's why I said *relatively nothing*.
Regarding Kyle Rudolph, it was really, really evident he was a washed up player when they signed him. He hadn't done anything in four years.
OK, so now that Darren Waller hasn't done anything for 3 years, how do you feel about the prospect of paying him 11.75M in New cash this year?
JMS or Bredeson likely blew the responsibility on the stunt, but regardless Bredeson got his doors blown off.
From the 22 video you can see Bredeson nearly get lifted off his feet.
I'll let the board judge. Bredeson takes on a strong bull rush and prevents his guy from getting to the QB. I suspect PFF gave him a good grade for the play. But I don't have their notes.
Bellinger is the one who had the chance to make the block. Also the one who had the chance to catch the pass Jones couldn't pull the trigger on.
The issue last year was the start of the season. Tough schedule combined with historically bad OL play (and poor QB play as well). Daboll righted the ship.
IMO Schoen needs to nail this draft. It’s been a mixed bag so far, though I do think he’s found better value on day 3 and waiver wire then what we’ve seen in the last decade plus. Belton, McFadden, Bellinger, Pinnock, + Riley and Hawkins I still think have a shot to develop.
This is why I think they do all they can to get a QB this draft, it buys them at least a year. If you look at the top 5 picks, AZ and LAC are not taking QB’s, so it comes down to what NE does. If Kraft wants to win now, and he’ll be 83 on opening day, it’s not a stretch to think they’ll make a run at Kirk Cousins. I don’t see any of the other FA QB’s moving the needle enough, but Cousins could make NE a playoff team, especially throwing to MH Jr.