Regarding #3, the suggestion is to get into the 3-hole by trading three 2nd Round picks -- two from this year and one from next year.
1. Cut RG Mark Glowinski
2. Restructure LT Andrew Thomas and DL Dexter Lawrence
3. Trade up for a quarterback
4. Re-sign S Xavier McKinney
5. Let RB Saquon Barkley test the market
6. Sign G/T Mike Onwenu
7. Sign OT Jermaine Eluemunor
8. Sign OLB Andrew Van Ginkel
9. Sign CB Sean Murphy-Bunting
10. Trade back in the middle rounds of the draft
I can't imagine that the 25 million or so the Giants presently are under the cap is going to be even close to enough, even if they push a ton of money into future years, to make all of those moves.
From restructuring Lawrence and Thomas
I can't imagine that the 25 million or so the Giants presently are under the cap is going to be even close to enough, even if they push a ton of money into future years, to make all of those moves.
#2 "Restructuring Thomas and Lawrence would create $25.6 million in cap savings this year."
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to sign McKinney, Van Ginkel and the two offensive linemen?
I can't imagine that the 25 million or so the Giants presently are under the cap is going to be even close to enough, even if they push a ton of money into future years, to make all of those moves.
#2 "Restructuring Thomas and Lawrence would create $25.6 million in cap savings this year."
The 21 million they have under the cap now plus the 25 million that they will accrue via restructuring is no where near what they would need to make all of the moves in the article.
All I'm saying is that they are not in a position to do what the article says they should do. Not even close.
I thought he passed away years ago. Anyway, a great MLB.
"...the Jets sent the sixth pick and three second-round picks to the Colts for the No. 3 pick. The Jets sent two second-round picks in 2018 (No. 37 and No. 49) and a second-rounder in 2019 to make the deal."
LOL!
Not sure we should spend $$$ for on a situational pass rusher who doesn’t play the run
That would be nice... but I don't see the Jets letting him get away.
No interest in trading up for a QB, and I doubt that trading three second round picks would be enough to go from six to three. This isn't 2018. The price has increased substantially, especially since many teams will want one of the "big three," and maybe now, McCarthy as well.
Barkley should be allowed to leave unless the Giants can do a tag and trade.
Glowinski should be cut.
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Hey, stranger things have happened. Buy that’s not a “plan” that’s wishful thinking. Also, if they trade up for a QB they won’t have anything left to trade down. So, one or the other. Otherwise, like most everything else.
"...the Jets sent the sixth pick and three second-round picks to the Colts for the No. 3 pick. The Jets sent two second-round picks in 2018 (No. 37 and No. 49) and a second-rounder in 2019 to make the deal."
Because the Colts didn’t want who was there at #3. That’s most likely not the case this year. But, like I said, stranger things have happened.
Especially, hitting on 2nd Rd picks is the life blood of a good roster.
Need and desire.....is not a good reason to draft a QB.
If they fall in love with a QB....get him....but do your homework....when he will get drafted.
Yeah, I think they ran out of moves to reach ten steps. Trade back in middle rounds (3rd or 4th I assume, since they traded out of the second round) of an extremely shallow draft pool is a real head scratcher.
Especially, hitting on 2nd Rd picks is the life blood of a good roster.
Need and desire.....is not a good reason to draft a QB.
If they fall in love with a QB....get him....but do your homework....when he will get drafted.
While I would hate giving up three 2nd Rounders to swap a 6 for a 3, that is indeed the going rate based on what the Jets did a few years back. Joe Schoen needs all the picks he can get!
Because of drafting of McDonald and salary cap hell, it is safe to say he will not be a Jet in 2024. Best Jets might be able to do, is create enough cap space to Franchise Tag and then use that leverage to trade him. Should be able to get a 2nd rd if they can use the Tag to find leverage over the player.
Definitely hard to envision all these players coming to the Giants even if we paid them all top dollar. Players often want to go to a team with a winning culture.
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We’d be lucky to sign just 1 of them, and fans likely would be upset at the price they paid to sign the player.
Definitely hard to envision all these players coming to the Giants even if we paid them all top dollar. Players often want to go to a team with a winning culture.
I would say that players often want to go to a team who offers them the most money
I would also argue that the culture is bad…reason I say that is the team played hard down the stretch with literally nothing to play for….if the culture wasn’t good…I don’t think we would have seen the team play hard
BAH ZINGA !!!
But things never go as planned ....
No trade partner found for mid rds & DE early it there was but better value at WR.
6.
Jayden Daniels
QB
LSU
39.
Xavier Legette
WR
South Carolina
47.
Christian Haynes
OG
UConn
70.
Jeremiah Trotter Jr.
LB
Clemson
107.
Johnny Wilson
WR
Florida State
139.
Frank Gore Jr.
RB
Southern Miss
184.
Carson Steele
It's supposed to be a pretty top-heavy draft this year. Probably in the future too with less juniors coming out because they can now make money in college.
The question is how many teams would want to trade up in the middle rounds. My guess is not may.
But things never go as planned ....
No trade partner found for mid rds & DE early it there was but better value at WR.
6.
Jayden Daniels
QB
LSU
39.
Xavier Legette
WR
South Carolina
47.
Christian Haynes
OG
UConn
70.
Jeremiah Trotter Jr.
LB
Clemson
107.
Johnny Wilson
WR
Florida State
139.
Frank Gore Jr.
RB
Southern Miss
184.
Carson Steele
That draft hits all the feels for me
Until we draft better, evaluate FA better, and do a better job with contracts we will continue to stink. I mean giving up an unconditional third round pick for injury prone Waller is an example of poor management and we cannot blame DG for that one.
How about Neal. Terrible draft pick. Jones terrible contract Glow terrible FA. Cant blame those on DG.
Schoen has not been good. I mean has he really been better than DG? Two years in the o line still stinks. Has drafting really improved? How about contracts? Jones says it all.
Until we draft better, evaluate FA better, and do a better job with contracts we will continue to stink. I mean giving up an unconditional third round pick for injury prone Waller is an example of poor management and we cannot blame DG for that one.
How about Neal. Terrible draft pick. Jones terrible contract Glow terrible FA. Cant blame those on DG.
Schoen has not been good. I mean has he really been better than DG? Two years in the o line still stinks. Has drafting really improved? How about contracts? Jones says it all.
So you base draft results after 2 years?
Have we not gotten valuable contributions from KT, McFadden, Wandale, Bellinger, Flott, Banks….you do realize that sometimes it takes players a bit of time to develop
Glow was a stop gap solution and he will be gone
Did he not get credit for Okereke?
The glass isn’t as half empty as you consistently portray it to be
It’s a mixed bag….only 2.years in while inheriting a train wreck
And the cap situation on isn’t as nearly bad as you portray it to be
The key to everything is finding a successor to DJ
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to sign McKinney, Van Ginkel and the two offensive linemen?
I can't imagine that the 25 million or so the Giants presently are under the cap is going to be even close to enough, even if they push a ton of money into future years, to make all of those moves.
#2 "Restructuring Thomas and Lawrence would create $25.6 million in cap savings this year."
The 21 million they have under the cap now plus the 25 million that they will accrue via restructuring is no where near what they would need to make all of the moves in the article.
All I'm saying is that they are not in a position to do what the article says they should do. Not even close.
It's easily enough money to do all those things. Just structure the contracts correctly and it's not that hard. Eluemunor won't cost that much. Very likely no more than $5M AAV on a 2-year deal, and that might be a little on the high side. You're going to have to pay McKinney, but you can do a contract with length and add a void year for him because he's still really young.
Sean Murphy-Bunting isn't going to command massive money either. Maybe $7M AAV, in that area, and he's 26. 2-year deal, give him $15M and push $10M of it in 2025 when Jones is off the books.
Can do a similar deal with Onwenu, he'll get around probably $12M AAV, maybe a little more, but that is probably on the high side. 4 years, $48M push the bulk to 2026 and 2027.
Van Ginkel will probably get in that $8M AAV range, two, maybe 3 years.
All of that is doable. Should they do it? Another question. Personally, I am a pass on Van Ginkel. Pass on Eluemunor, unless it's a strong value signing. I like Onwenu, agree there.
And depending on McKinney's contract, I think you pass on him as well. I don't think it makes sense to pay him with where the team is at right now, at least not "best safety in the game" money, which is what he's after.
Murphy-Bunting, don't have an opinion either way, but I think a corner in that tier of age and ability makes some sense.
And if you're trading up for a QB from 6 to 3, I think three 2nds is too rich. I think you could do that deal for #47, #108, and second next year. But a first this year and next, maybe this year's third to complete the deal...that to me is preferable and is still an overpay (the premium for moving up for a QB). I respect the work done here but don't like the Athletic's plan at all.
If your QB is at 3 and you can get him, I definitely think you do a deal. I suppose I'm picking nits on their idea of what is a good deal, and the bigger argument is the free agent choices.
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We have a terrible roster and little cap space. Why? Because of terrible contracts given out and poor drafting.
Until we draft better, evaluate FA better, and do a better job with contracts we will continue to stink. I mean giving up an unconditional third round pick for injury prone Waller is an example of poor management and we cannot blame DG for that one.
How about Neal. Terrible draft pick. Jones terrible contract Glow terrible FA. Cant blame those on DG.
Schoen has not been good. I mean has he really been better than DG? Two years in the o line still stinks. Has drafting really improved? How about contracts? Jones says it all.
So you base draft results after 2 years?
Have we not gotten valuable contributions from KT, McFadden, Wandale, Bellinger, Flott, Banks….you do realize that sometimes it takes players a bit of time to develop
Glow was a stop gap solution and he will be gone
Did he not get credit for Okereke?
The glass isn’t as half empty as you consistently portray it to be
It’s a mixed bag….only 2.years in while inheriting a train wreck
And the cap situation on isn’t as nearly bad as you portray it to be
The key to everything is finding a successor to DJ
The cap situation for a team with a lousy roster is bad.
How many years do you want to give Neal? Hopefully the qb playing behind him doesnt get hurt.
Glow got a three year contract. He started one year. That's not a successful signing.
So i guess you think Waller was a good signing?
With all the draft picks we had i expected better results. So did most people. Accepting mediocrity when drafting is why we are where we are.
Our best players were drafted by DG. Thomas. Barkley, Lawrence, McKinney, Slayton, what is that saying?
I am not advocating to get rid of Schoen. I want him given 5 years. But his results to date have been under whelming. That's the reality.
I hope he does better going forward.
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We have a terrible roster and little cap space. Why? Because of terrible contracts given out and poor drafting.
Until we draft better, evaluate FA better, and do a better job with contracts we will continue to stink. I mean giving up an unconditional third round pick for injury prone Waller is an example of poor management and we cannot blame DG for that one.
How about Neal. Terrible draft pick. Jones terrible contract Glow terrible FA. Cant blame those on DG.
Schoen has not been good. I mean has he really been better than DG? Two years in the o line still stinks. Has drafting really improved? How about contracts? Jones says it all.
So you base draft results after 2 years?
Have we not gotten valuable contributions from KT, McFadden, Wandale, Bellinger, Flott, Banks….you do realize that sometimes it takes players a bit of time to develop
Glow was a stop gap solution and he will be gone
Did he not get credit for Okereke?
The glass isn’t as half empty as you consistently portray it to be
It’s a mixed bag….only 2.years in while inheriting a train wreck
And the cap situation on isn’t as nearly bad as you portray it to be
The key to everything is finding a successor to DJ
The cap situation for a team with a lousy roster is bad.
How many years do you want to give Neal? Hopefully the qb playing behind him doesnt get hurt.
Glow got a three year contract. He started one year. That's not a successful signing.
So i guess you think Waller was a good signing?
With all the draft picks we had i expected better results. So did most people. Accepting mediocrity when drafting is why we are where we are.
Our best players were drafted by DG. Thomas. Barkley, Lawrence, McKinney, Slayton, what is that saying?
I am not advocating to get rid of Schoen. I want him given 5 years. But his results to date have been under whelming. That's the reality.
I hope he does better going forward.
There is literally no one who had an issue with Walker trade….no one
Who cares if Glow was signed for 3 years….when was the last time a player stayed the life of the contract ?
We are fine on cap space….not a valid complaint
He’s been here 2 years….are you expecting a plethora of pro bowl draft picks?
You gotta give a draft class 4 years to fully evaluate and Neal deserves another year
Remember when everyone was shitting all over Wandale’s pick?
How’s that going now?
Point is that things take a bit of time and the consistent glass half empty view point on all issues isn’t exactly accurate
They didn't sign Glow to be a one year starter.
I never said the glass is half empty. These are your words.
I said Schoen needs to do better.
I guess you see a lot of progress, i don't.
Never mind read it wrong... not trade back into the first trade back in the mid rounds got it.
will the Giants attempt to keep both McKinney and Barkley?
Will the Giants attempt to put together an offensive line?
1). I would happily take Mckinney at 3/37 but doubt that gets it done.
2). I definitely think we need to sign two good OL spots if we can. Can be two guards or a guard and a swing tackle.
3). My pet peeve - he doesn't understand (or at least doesn't explain) how the salary cap actually works. He says restructure AT and DL not DJ or Waller. But it really makes no difference. Lets say you only restructure DJ. Then cut him next year. Sure that hit is accelerated. So you restructure AT at that point and you are in EXACTLY the same position as if you had restructured AT in the first place. There are corner cases where who you restructured may matter. But they are really unusual. The questions that matter - how much have you committed to pay people and how much have you paid people that you have not yet booked. The rest is noise. Your cap space in a given year is irrelevant since the movement of money is virtually unlimited.