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Good Lord Justin Pugh is delusional/arrogant AF.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2024 2:22 pm
JJ interviewed him Super Bowl week for his NY NY podcast & the pod dropped this morning. This quote cracked me up in how highly Justin thinks of the man staring back at him in the mirror:

'I told Joe Schoen that if I leave, the fans are going to go crazy...'

Justin, my dude, nobody-NOBODY-was going crazy if you left. You're not Anthony Munoz or John Hannah. We sucked this season before you jumped aboard & we still sucked after you joined the team. Also, your performance vs. NOLA was beyond atrocious, though-to Pugh's credit-he acknowledges he had a rough game vs. the Saints.

That aside, my eyebrows were raised when-after praising Dabs' offensive mind-he said something-& I'm paraphrasing-how Dabs had to get the offense corrected before going back to the CEO role of HC. Perhaps I'm reading into too much, but it seems like Pugh implied that Dabs got pretty heavily involved in the offense down the stretch, which lends credence to what Connor Hughes said the other day on that BBI thread.

Also, his 'I love the media' quote...LOL. I know people have been speculating for years that he's one of those anonymous sources when stories leak out. That quote doesn't exactly dampen the idea of him as a 'locker room lawyer'.
LOL at Pugh thinking that  
Chris684 : 2/19/2024 2:23 pm : link
Bringing him back was just another lowlight in a terrible season.
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I am Ninja : 2/19/2024 2:38 pm : link
The fanbase had to eat so much shit bringing that asshole back.

Delusional big time  
Matt M. : 2/19/2024 2:42 pm : link
I will go crazy if he isn't let go. I don't even think he has much value as a regular backup. He was only brought in because we were down to 4th string at OG and 3rd string at LT
RE: Delusional big time  
NormanAllen_95 : 2/19/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16402698 Matt M. said:
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I will go crazy if he isn't let go. I don't even think he has much value as a regular backup. He was only brought in because we were down to 4th string at OG and 3rd string at LT


While I think he is def an asshole, je was serviceable at times when we were beleaguered on our OL and he came off the couch. As a back up utility OL, you could do a lot worse.

However, I draw the line at the lockerroom lawyer shit. We still dont have a bonafide leader on that unit (hopefully AT is ready to assume it at this point) so that shit goes unchecked.
Shocking, a pro athlete  
section125 : 2/19/2024 2:53 pm : link
has a high regard for himself.

He really did stabilize the left side of the line for a few games. But no, even at vet minimum, he would be overpaid.

That probably is what Conor Hughes was talking about - Dabs getting more involved in the offense - so basically taking over for Kafka while doing so.
The OL was better with him  
Amtoft : 2/19/2024 2:57 pm : link
That should tell you how bad our OL was, but to think he didn't help is wrong. We went from the crappiest line in history to the second crappiest line in history.
I appreciated that he came back to play for the Giants  
Tom in NY : 2/19/2024 3:14 pm : link
However, I had 0 expectations for him.

He weighs less than 300 lbs and his lack of strength is obvious.

It's time to get very strong in the trenches, and that does not include JP. He's a smart guy, but the Giants need to get younger and more dynamic players at the position.

Best of luck Justin!
RE: RE: Delusional big time  
Matt M. : 2/19/2024 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16402706 NormanAllen_95 said:
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I will go crazy if he isn't let go. I don't even think he has much value as a regular backup. He was only brought in because we were down to 4th string at OG and 3rd string at LT



While I think he is def an asshole, je was serviceable at times when we were beleaguered on our OL and he came off the couch. As a back up utility OL, you could do a lot worse.

However, I draw the line at the lockerroom lawyer shit. We still dont have a bonafide leader on that unit (hopefully AT is ready to assume it at this point) so that shit goes unchecked.
He was terrible. He had one game at LT that wasn't as dismal as what we had out there before him, which says more about the depth than it does him. The rest of the season, he got worse and worse.
RE: The OL was better with him  
Matt M. : 2/19/2024 3:16 pm : link
In comment 16402719 Amtoft said:
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That should tell you how bad our OL was, but to think he didn't help is wrong. We went from the crappiest line in history to the second crappiest line in history.
How were we better with him? We were just as bad. The OL looked slightly better when Taylor played and when we got Thomas back. Pugh was bad and got worse as the season went on.

I don't know what the fascination is with trying to keep so many mediocre to bad players. There's a reason why we fucking sucked and yet people want to keep players that "helped" us suck.
Poor attempt at being funny ....  
Manny in CA : 2/19/2024 3:21 pm : link

Like they used to say, back-in-the-day - "Oh, Justin, you're such a card, ha-ha"
RE: RE: The OL was better with him  
Amtoft : 2/19/2024 3:31 pm : link
In comment 16402735 Matt M. said:
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That should tell you how bad our OL was, but to think he didn't help is wrong. We went from the crappiest line in history to the second crappiest line in history.

How were we better with him? We were just as bad. The OL looked slightly better when Taylor played and when we got Thomas back. Pugh was bad and got worse as the season went on.

I don't know what the fascination is with trying to keep so many mediocre to bad players. There's a reason why we fucking sucked and yet people want to keep players that "helped" us suck.


How were we better with him? Well he played better at LT when AT was out than what we had. He helped the line from giving up a million sacks to 900,000 sacks. You can tell from stats on time to pressure that after he signed it got better. However, it was still really bad. I didn't say resign him so calm your panties. As previously stated I feel like going into this year we need to get two new OGs and roll with AT, JSM, and Neal.
Didn't Pugh say the O-line did not hang out until he came?  
penkap75 : 2/19/2024 3:36 pm : link
There apparently was no camaraderie with our O-line unit. Which does not surprise since as whole they stink. Pugh may be shot as an O-line man ,but at least he tried to bring a veteran presence and get the O-line more cohesive in and out of the field.
Pugh seems like the type of guy whose a source for the beat  
Sean : 2/19/2024 3:39 pm : link
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RE: RE: The OL was better with him  
section125 : 2/19/2024 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16402735 Matt M. said:
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That should tell you how bad our OL was, but to think he didn't help is wrong. We went from the crappiest line in history to the second crappiest line in history.

How were we better with him? We were just as bad. The OL looked slightly better when Taylor played and when we got Thomas back. Pugh was bad and got worse as the season went on.

I don't know what the fascination is with trying to keep so many mediocre to bad players. There's a reason why we fucking sucked and yet people want to keep players that "helped" us suck.


If you couldn't see, just watch a game and see, that the line was better immediately after he arrived, then you need to find another sport.
He did not make them league average, but at least for a while they picked up stunts. He didn't have enough a$$ to be good against the bull rush, but he was able to get out in front of a run.

Clearly he was an upgrade to what was there. It wasn't much, but it was certainly better.
Pugh left the team before and NOBODY went nuts....  
Fishmanjim57 : 2/19/2024 4:03 pm : link
He'll leave again and we'll hear.........
>cue the crickets soundbite<
He never shuts up  
kelly : 2/19/2024 4:08 pm : link
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Pugh  
TyreeHelmet : 2/19/2024 4:25 pm : link
It’s embarrassing this guy played for the giants this year. Enormous indictment on the front office.

He needs to go away. I’ll be furious if he’s anywhere near this team next year. He blows.
I'd actually like him back  
mittenedman : 2/19/2024 4:27 pm : link
as the primary G/T backup. I do not want him in the starting lineup but he could be a valuable 6th man. Better than throwing Ezeudu or McKethan out there.
RE: RE: RE: The OL was better with him  
NormanAllen_95 : 2/19/2024 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16402771 section125 said:
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That should tell you how bad our OL was, but to think he didn't help is wrong. We went from the crappiest line in history to the second crappiest line in history.

How were we better with him? We were just as bad. The OL looked slightly better when Taylor played and when we got Thomas back. Pugh was bad and got worse as the season went on.

I don't know what the fascination is with trying to keep so many mediocre to bad players. There's a reason why we fucking sucked and yet people want to keep players that "helped" us suck.



If you couldn't see, just watch a game and see, that the line was better immediately after he arrived, then you need to find another sport.
He did not make them league average, but at least for a while they picked up stunts. He didn't have enough a$$ to be good against the bull rush, but he was able to get out in front of a run.

Clearly he was an upgrade to what was there. It wasn't much, but it was certainly better.


Yea I agree. I dont know what Matt was watching, but it was noticeably better
If he gets a good amount of playing  
Mattman : 2/19/2024 4:56 pm : link
Time next year we are in trouble
I’m pretty sure  
Pete in MD : 2/19/2024 5:01 pm : link
he was being sarcastic
I think if he wants to be taken seriously  
ghost718 : 2/19/2024 5:21 pm : link
He's going to have to merge the Justin Pugh fan club with the Bobby Hart fan club
RE: I’m pretty sure  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16402825 Pete in MD said:
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he was being sarcastic


Did you listen to it? If he was, he did a damn good job selling that.
RE: RE: I’m pretty sure  
NormanAllen_95 : 2/19/2024 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16402839 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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he was being sarcastic



Did you listen to it? If he was, he did a damn good job selling that.


You dont think there is a good chance that he has read what this board has said about him? I think it is foolish to think that even the players dont know about this board by now.

I mean, I paid half assed attention over the years, but it wasn't until the current malaise that I started opening the site every day.
NormanAllen  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2024 6:07 pm : link
I have no doubt Pugh @ least knows of BBI, as I suspect most Giants do as well. Are you checking it every day? I doubt it, but I'm sure their friends/family skim it regularly.
god you people are miserable  
Rory : 2/19/2024 6:23 pm : link
who cares. I personally hope now he comes back and makes the team now.

keep wrecking the site.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/19/2024 6:32 pm : link
Here comes Rory!
This is a massive over simplification  
DavidinBMNY : 2/19/2024 8:04 pm : link
AT and his injury, plus the lack of OL development for any players under Bobby Johnson crushed that unit. Pugh was at least experienced under fire. The lack of development indicates the GIants have to sign T least 2 OL this off season who are better then the current talent level.
Stupidity  
Snorkels : 2/19/2024 8:44 pm : link
Jut came on to see what's new and sadly it occurred to me that I had a far more intelligent conversation about the Giants with my two dogs on our walk this afternoon. My lord the guy was joking. Plus anybody who even tries to suggest the OL wasn't better with Pugh at one of the OGs should be banned from ever posting about football ever again.
110% Sarcasm  
GRBlue : 2/19/2024 9:06 pm : link
C’mon man
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Route 9 : 2/19/2024 9:35 pm : link
In comment 16402865 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Here comes Rory!


He gets very defensive over pro athletes. A little ... Too touchy lol
Yoiu guys want to hang your hat on equally bad OL play, go for it  
Matt M. : 2/19/2024 9:59 pm : link
The Giants had 85 sacks allowed. Over 17 games, that's 5 per game. The 13 games since Pugh started, they gave up 55 sacks, for 4.2 a game. You want to call that better? Go for it. It was a historically bad OL with or without him. And that "good" or "better" OL had games of 8,9, 7, 6 (twice) sacks allowed with Pugh in the lineup. They weren't good with him and he wasn't good. Was he "better" than some of the dreg they had in and out of the lineup last year? Yes. But, that is an indictment on guys like Ezeudu and McKethan and the OL coach, not a reason to praise Pugh.
he sucks, always did, and was a clubhouse lawyer and cancer  
Victor in CT : 2/20/2024 8:11 am : link
to boot. good riddance.
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