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The unfortunate luck for the Giants and the 2022/2024 drafts

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/20/2024 8:46 am
As we all know, the Giants were in a very good position in the 2022 NFL Draft, having the #5 and #7 picks. I believe this was the only time in franchise history that the Giants had two top seven picks (someone may correct me on that).

However, it was an atrocious year for quarterbacks, with only one going in the first round, Kenny Picket at #20.

How many times does that happen? No quarterback worthy of a top 10 selection?

Fast forward to 2024, and the Giants are perfectly placed to get a stud #1 wide receiver to go along with Wan'Dale Robinson in the slot and Jalin Hyatt as a dangerous #2. There are three WRs who are worthy of going in the top six.

However, the Giants have a quarterback problem and may have to pass on the WRs.

How this all fell just sucks.
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RE: RE: RE: pj  
Go Terps : 2/20/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16403128 section125 said:
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In comment 16403122 Go Terps said:


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In comment 16403090 JonC said:


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I bang this drum constantly, get the talent that fits your schemes and program and keep building. There's no rule (except stubborn stupidity) that says you must "build the OL first" or "who's gonna throw to the WR".

Get the talent when it presents itself. The best teams consistently identify the talent and grab it. The Giants are poor at both over the past decade plus.



You have to have a program first. I'm not sure the Giants do.



What does that mean?


It means the Giants just followed a 6 year period where they hired and fired 3 head coaches with the ridiculous mishandling of the QB position over the last 2 years but the most recent regime. They don't know what they're doing.

Do you realize that if they draft a QB in round 1 they will have reversed themselves twice in two years?

What's the plan???
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BrettNYG10 : 2/20/2024 11:49 am : link
While I agree with what you wrote, they likely missed out on guys in the later rounds that will be pretty good. Take a quick look at the top 15 TD throwers from last season:

Prescott, Love, Purdy, Goff, Allen, Tua, Mayfield, Mahomes, Wilson, Carr, Jackson, Stafford, Hurts, Stroud, Howell

The Giants--pre Schoen included--could have drafted ten of these guys without moving up. And then add in that Mayfield, Stafford, and Goff were traded. A couple of these guys obviously suck or are boosted by the surrounding talent, but the Giants should have been taking some shots on net these two drafts.

Add in guys like Herbert, and the Giants have missed out on a lot of good QBs. I'd bet good money a really good QB is going to be drafted after pick #5. The Giants need to find that guy.
RE: It is a deep WR draft  
bw in dc : 2/20/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16403205 Rjanyg said:
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There are very good WR's that should be available in round 2. I expect NYG to grab a playmaker with pick 39.



This is draft gospel in most drafts the last decade+. If you have the right evaluators, you can find high-caliber WRs.

But in this draft in particular, even if we miss out on Harrison/Nabers/Odunze, the day two-three WRs are really interesting.

I personally think prospects like Thomas, McConkey, Franklin, Corley (what a monster he might be...), Rice, Wilson have just as much upside as the big three.
RE: RE: Yeah, right...  
ThomasG : 2/20/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16403256 Reale01 said:
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if only there were QBs available in recent drafts when the Giants had a high pick.

The unfortunate luck is the Giants had a moron GM.



Like when we missed out on Darnold and Rosen.


Check to see if there were any other QB prospects worth taking. There may have been a few between 2018-2021.
I expect 4 QBs to be picked in the top 10  
cosmicj : 2/20/2024 12:14 pm : link
And the Giants to stay out at 6 and select one of them.

Terps - A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
Stay out = stay put  
cosmicj : 2/20/2024 12:15 pm : link
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People who think the 49ers of 2023 show you don’t need a  
cosmicj : 2/20/2024 12:17 pm : link
Very good QB need to review the historical season yards per pass attempt records and see where Purdy falls in the spectrum. Hint: he had one of the best seasons of the S Bowl era.
Whatever Schoen Does  
Bernie : 2/20/2024 1:56 pm : link
He absolutely CANNOT miss on this pick.
RE: Would it be horrible  
ElitoCanton : 2/20/2024 2:25 pm : link
McCarthy is gonna go in the top 10. He won't be available in such a move. Nix and Penix are gonna be busts in NFL. They do not do anything special on an NFL level. This team will remain in QB hell for a long time if they don't move aggressively to address QB at the top of this draft.

In comment 16403074 rnargi said:
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to take the best WR available and them move our 2nd rounders this year and next to move back up to take McCarthy, Nix, or Penix? Too steep for the perceived potential for those three?
Regarding Eric's OP  
UberAlias : 2/20/2024 3:09 pm : link
He is spot on. Which is why if we pass on a blue chip WR for a QB, we better get a good one.
RE: People who think the 49ers of 2023 show you don’t need a  
Sammo85 : 2/20/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16403367 cosmicj said:
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Very good QB need to review the historical season yards per pass attempt records and see where Purdy falls in the spectrum. Hint: he had one of the best seasons of the S Bowl era.


Purdy's processing speed is exceptional and Shanahan tailored this into offensive play design and playcalling. He knows Purdy is limited on a few fronts (namely deep balls, tight window throws).

Who’s to say that next years QB class won’t be good?  
Simms11 : 2/20/2024 4:17 pm : link
I don’t care how some college QB looks right now. By the end of next season, the guy may come out looking like a stud. There’s a few that come to mind, Ewers, Sanders and I’m sure there’s others. If we can’t move up for one of the top guys, then don’t force it IMO. We’ve got plenty of other positions to fill with quality picks. That QB hell that Gettleman brought up will start all over again with a high pick that doesn’t pan out.
But, do you honestly think they would have drafted a QB in 2022  
Matt M. : 2/20/2024 7:22 pm : link
if there was a legit top 10 talent? I'm not so sure. Hell, it's even a debate 2 years later, even though we still have Jones.
Giants' Draft Luck, extended  
shyster : 2/21/2024 1:33 am : link
2015: Ronnie Stanley stays in school. Result: Ereck Flowers

2016: Laremy Tunsil inhales. Giants get jumped by Titans and Bears. Result: Eli Apple

2017: Ben McAdoo has the brilliant idea to make a move to draft Mahomes. Gets laughed at. Result: Evan Engram

2018: Dave "Run the ball and stop the run" Gettleman hired as GM just in time for the 2018 QB class. Result (Not a) Gold Jacket Guy.

2019: Justin Herbert stays in school. Gettleman decides he has to draft a QB. Result: He Who Shall Not Be Named.

2020: Giants want to trade out of number 4, but nobody has a motivation to move up. Result: Andrew Thomas. Good player, but Giants could have had Tristan Wirfs plus picks.

2021: Giants win a November game against the Eagles they had no business winning. Leaves them in range on draft day for Eagles to jump up and snatch NYG's target, Devonta Smith. Result: Kadarius Toney.

2022: Giants wouldn't have drafted a QB anyway. Actual bad luck was Jets needing a CB and taking NYG's target, Sauce Gardner. Additional bad luck was Panthers taking Ekwonu over Neal, when Giants were ready to choose either.

2023: Mirage playoff win leaves NYG too far down for draft day luck to matter all that much.

2024: Can't wait!
RE: Giants' Draft Luck, extended  
shyster : 2/21/2024 1:41 am : link
In comment 16404032 shyster said:

Need to correct 2021 and 2022 (it all blurs together).

The 2020 mid-season winning streak left Giants in range for Eagles to jump them for Devonta Smith, leading to Toney.

The November 2021 win against the Eagles resulted in Kayvon instead of Aidan Hutchinson.

Bad luck nothing  
HomerJones45 : 2/21/2024 8:10 am : link
they have too many self-inflicted wounds starting with Jawn's pronouncement after the last Super Bowl victory that he wanted another SB to celebrate his new concrete pile in Jersey.

Just one bad decision after another. You could see this train wreck coming down the tracks. They set themselves up for misfortune with their stupid decisions and the way they have operated.

Start making good strategic and tactical decisions after critical, dispassionate analysis of what has gone wrong and the current assets and not basing decisions on fan narratives and the dubious opinions of the talking heads in the sporting press. Then you will see the "luck" change.
RE: Barkley was a blue chip talent and didn't work  
solarmike : 2/21/2024 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16403147 Sean said:
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I just see Nabers getting frustrated when he's not getting the ball and then QB becomes even more of a need next year in the weaker class.

Bill Walsh always said WR should be the last piece, not the first. The Raiders just lived this.


Agreed
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/21/2024 7:08 pm : link
Might be unfortunate, but that's life. If the Giants think one of these QBs can be an elite QB, move heaven & earth to get him.
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christian : 2/21/2024 7:27 pm : link
This misfortune seems to coincide a lot with the tenure of one Rabbit Foot Dave. Hmmm.
Picking 6, MHJ will be gone and there's at least a  
Strahan91 : 2/21/2024 7:29 pm : link
decent chance Nabers will be too. I like Odunze but I don't think he's a surefire #1 receiver. He certainly could be but he's not a can't miss guy like MHJ and Nabers imo
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Go Terps : 2/21/2024 7:33 pm : link
The WRs in this draft are "can't hit" if the Giants don't improve their QB position.

Harrison, Nabers, or Odunze aren't making a difference on this team as it is constituted. Further, we're seeing that college football is producing so much WR talent you can get them in later rounds.

I really hope they don't pick a WR #6.
RE: I expect 4 QBs to be picked in the top 10  
BleedBlue46 : 2/21/2024 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16403362 cosmicj said:
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And the Giants to stay out at 6 and select one of them.

Terps - A camel is a horse designed by a committee.


Agreed, go get KD or Daniels or Maye between picks 4-6 and let the chips fall where they may. It's the best bet imo
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