Was having a conversation with a source u have within the league who was part of a couple player personnel groups. When I asked about what the Giants need to do in his view this offseason it was immediately “The Giants need to trade up for a QB and they need to do it fast. Like, at the combine fast.”
I was a bit taken aback by why he said “fast”. When asked, he put it this way. Schoen and Daboll ARE on the hot seat. Regardless of what anyone wants to say, the fans dictate the heat of the seat, and they cannot go into next season and have something similar to 2023 happen. Wins are the ultimate healer. They need to have something to show ownership and the fans that they need to be around for longer and, while there are those in the organization that believe in Daniel Jones, that’s where the belief ends. Getting serious free agents that could truly help this team will be hard if Daniel Jones is being sold as the QB of the team. Daniel Jones’s cache in the league doesn’t extend much past the Meadowlands, if that much.
If the Giants can come away with a Caleb Williams or a Jayden Daniels, it would go a large way in changing the perception the team has among free agent players, and can help get some younger guys in the locker room that aren’t big Daniel Jones supporters more behind the team.
Essentially, any message the Giants push is gonna fall on deaf ears and they are gonna have a hard time garnering talent in FA if they keep trying to prop up DJ.
do your research, target a qb, and go get him.
Get dependable, if not highly sought FA.....combined with 4 solid draftees.
Sure, get a QB....if he will be significantly better than Jones....but not for preception....but out right better play.
Now, rarely, do coach and gm on a hot seat goes with a rookie.....so I hope the Giants get lucky!
Also, current OL will not allow any QB to be successful imo. The trenches still suck.....and must be fixed.
The defense has more opportunity to be good.
If the money is similar, they will go elsewhere unless they think there is some stability.
So I must be an idiot.
You might not like it, but it does.
If the Giants go into 2024 with Daniel Jones as the unquestioned starter, it's easy to predict what will happen.
What?...JJ is the most popular topic there is on BBI right now. With numerous posters basically suggesting he is just short of Superman in terms of ability.
We will need to go up to overall #1 to have any chance at McCarthy.
I think there are a number of promising Qb's at the top of this draft and this OL is a disaster. Unless we're thinking about trading for Lamar Jackson, every QB rookie or not will be negatively affected by that starting 5.
DeVito is the only other QB under contract.
If NYG signs a vet QB early in FA for insurance that Jones may not be ready for training camp then they may go WR in round 1.
Otherwise I would expect a QB to be the first round target.
I’m not alone in my feeling that I just have no interest in watching that combination again.
The 2007 Superbowl team was shaped in part by the McKenzie, Plax, and Pierce FA class, not to mention guys like Sam Madison. The 2011 Superbowl team had Canty, Rolle, etc.
The team can't lay low forever just because Gettleman failed in free agency (though I actually think either one of Adoree Jackson or Bradburry would have been fine, not both of them). A QB trajectory to sell would certainly help with this process.
I can see JS going the safer route. Trading back in the 1st (QB may be BPA) or getting one in the late 1st/2nd round.
If team progresses significantly (even if QB is still a bit problematic) I think both can stick. JS may want a new HC in 2025.
We need to make a push to secure a franchise QB because we likely don't have one. Let's not overcomplicate this.
The Giants should take one of the QBs at #6 (even McCarthy, although that would not be my preference), take the BPA at another position, or trade down.
I suspect you’re right. He’s sort of the under the radar guy. Will be interesting to see what happens.
I can see JS going the safer route. Trading back in the 1st (QB may be BPA) or getting one in the late 1st/2nd round.
If team progresses significantly (even if QB is still a bit problematic) I think both can stick. JS may want a new HC in 2025.
I can't see it.
As I've said, we get smoked by the Cowboys in the opener with Jones, the stands will be empty in September. That means another house cleaning.
If you get smoked by the Cowboys with a new QB, fans will have more patience.
The Bears haven't declared one way or another which direction they'll go in with the 1st overall choice. If they have any brains in their collective heads, their front office and coaching staff will go with Caleb Williams. If that happens, then the NYG are out in the cold again and there's nothing they can do about it. Something needs to happen for one of those big three to not be selected in those first three picks. If that "thing"--whatever it may be--does happen, then the Cards at 4 would be great to deal with since they've got their QB on their roster already.
All on Schoen and Daboll to fix in 2-3 years....
I can see JS going the safer route. Trading back in the 1st (QB may be BPA) or getting one in the late 1st/2nd round.
If team progresses significantly (even if QB is still a bit problematic) I think both can stick. JS may want a new HC in 2025.
I don't understand this take. Jones is dreadful. Everybody knows it except a small subset of Giants fans. There is nothing safe about Jones anymore. Some people thought signing Jones was safe. How'd that turn out? The only sure thing about sticking with Jones is you'll lose your damn job, like Gettleman, like Shurmur, like Judge, like Jason Garrett, have I left anybody out? Plus he is dreadful to watch.
This team is not one year or one player away. We need to make smart unemotional decisions. The frenzied fan base won't understand. But for me personally, I want out of this mess not appeasement.
The Bears haven't declared one way or another which direction they'll go in with the 1st overall choice. If they have any brains in their collective heads, their front office and coaching staff will go with Caleb Williams. If that happens, then the NYG are out in the cold again and there's nothing they can do about it. Something needs to happen for one of those big three to not be selected in those first three picks. If that "thing"--whatever it may be--does happen, then the Cards at 4 would be great to deal with since they've got their QB on their roster already.
There might not be a partner but there is still a chance QB3 falls to the Giants, and it is likely QB4 falls to the Giants.
The Bears haven't declared one way or another which direction they'll go in with the 1st overall choice. If they have any brains in their collective heads, their front office and coaching staff will go with Caleb Williams. If that happens, then the NYG are out in the cold again and there's nothing they can do about it. Something needs to happen for one of those big three to not be selected in those first three picks. If that "thing"--whatever it may be--does happen, then the Cards at 4 would be great to deal with since they've got their QB on their roster already.
I think the move is to #4 but that's only if this is a 4 QB draft (which would presumably be Williams, Maye, Daniels, JJM).
I think it's probably at least a 3 QB draft but I'm not as sure it's 4. I think Daniels is a little overrated by the flashy stats/talent and some holes are overlooked.
That said, I believe that the biggest mistake the Giants made in the last several years was to NOT trade the #2 pick that they used on Barkley. I don't say that because I think he was the wrong choice at #2, in retrospect, he may have been the second best possible choice after Josh Allen.
I say it because of the VALUE we could have obtained in terms of additional draft capital which could have been carried forward for years. (At least one future #1 plus extra picks, plus still drafting a good player like Nelson or ALLEN). The Giants may be in a similar situation this year and cannot miss the opportunity.
I am very much against a trade up. I think if the QB they like is available at 6, then you take him (McCarthy). Otherwise, it makes sense to trade back and get ahead of the chains as far as draft capital is concerned. That will set the team up for sustained success - see Philly. The Eagles got ahead of the game via trades (Starting with the Sam Bradford trade)and rode the wave for years before cashing out at this year's draft.
The Lions did the same thing with Stafford and cashed out two #1s this year. The Bears may be the next team to do that. How does Carolina's future look? Some may point to Stroud helping to turn around the Texans, but they did not trade up to get him.
Anyway that's my two cents.
And this is when it comes to conviction. If it hits, no one cares. If it doesn't, you're fired.
The Bears are obviously the team willing/looking to trade again.
The question is if 1 QB stands above the others in class? I dont have a strong take on that, i see things i like and dislike about all of them.
Because we don't know their draft board. Teams may like Nix & McCarthy more than Maye & Daniels.
This team is not one year or one player away. We need to make smart unemotional decisions. The frenzied fan base won't understand. But for me personally, I want out of this mess not appeasement.
^This.
3?? Ok that’s a bit ridiculous. I don’t think any of these guys are Mahomes/Elway/Peyton Manning..
Assume CHI and WAS draft Williams and Maye. There is a chance New England doesn't want Daniels and they either draft MHJ or trade back. That leaves an opening for the Giants to get Daniels or QB4.
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And take themselves out of Williams/Maye/Daniels? Someone has to be the team left standing out in the cold, and unfortunately that’s the NYG.
Because we don't know their draft board. Teams may like Nix & McCarthy more than Maye & Daniels.
While true, every media list has these guys as 1-3. The perception, whether true in nfl circles is TBD, Nix and JJ are a clear level below. Schoen cannot settle.
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That he said he’s heard there is a trade out there to be made. But it would require a pretty hefty bite of the bullet. He said he heard the conversation starts at 3 1st round picks.
3?? Ok that’s a bit ridiculous. I don’t think any of these guys are Mahomes/Elway/Peyton Manning..
Williams might be. Many think he has the traits.
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That he said he’s heard there is a trade out there to be made. But it would require a pretty hefty bite of the bullet. He said he heard the conversation starts at 3 1st round picks.
The Bears are obviously the team willing/looking to trade again.
The question is if 1 QB stands above the others in class? I dont have a strong take on that, i see things i like and dislike about all of them.
Most of the analysts and draft nerds I follow see Caleb Williams as the clear #1 and the Bears would be foolish not to draft him.
Either trade up for a QB,or trade back for draft capital and fill a bunch of holes....
Alt is a LT- nope
2 WRS after MHJ- nope
Bowers-nope
Trade up or down