Daniel Jeremiah Mock Draft 2.0

In comment 16403378 ajr2456 said:

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That suggest the Pats may not end up taking a QB

Then get the trade down up to 3 asap. Remove any doubt of another team jumping NYG.

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In comment 16403378 ajr2456 said: Quote: That suggest the Pats may not end up taking a QB Then get the trade down up to 3 asap. Remove any doubt of another team jumping NYG.

If they want Maye or Daniels they will have to trade up I’d imagine. I’ve heard New England isn’t high on Maye or Daniels but I take the source with a grain of salt because of their conflict of interest

but if that is the way it goes so be it.

Needs to run a lot to make a impact imv. I prefer a QB who excels from the pocket but I can see where BD would like his style.

In comment 16403265 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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🙏🙏🙏. That said, I don’t see Pats passing on a QB.

I don’t either but not everyone is going to have these QBs ranked 1/2/3. They may not like Daniels, I’m sure a bunch of teams won’t like QBs 2-5 (the first round guys) for various reasons.

In comment 16403396 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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but if that is the way it goes so be it. Needs to run a lot to make a impact imv. I prefer a QB who excels from the pocket but I can see where BD would like his style.

I hear ya. I'm not on that particular band wagon.

going to be pissed when Gmen take McCarthy

And people are going to be equally annoyed if/when Daniels is on the board at 6 and the Giants pass on him.

In comment 16403413 JayBinQueens said:

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going to be pissed when Gmen take McCarthy

Maybe, but I doubt more pissed than when Dave took Jones…

In comment 16403438 ryanmkeane said:

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And people are going to be equally annoyed if/when Daniels is on the board at 6 and the Giants pass on him.

Because it would be a disaster of a decision.

Weren't you vocal against drafting Jones? I recall you preferring Haskins.

In comment 16403438 ryanmkeane said:

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And people are going to be equally annoyed if/when Daniels is on the board at 6 and the Giants pass on him.

Annoyed...try apoplectic.

The NYG have the worst QB Unit in the league, yet expensive, injured and uncertain for the start of the 2024 season.

Passing on a top prospect like Jayden Daniels in the situation this team is in at the QB position would be akin to saying we have a contagious mental disease running through the building at 1925 NY Giants Drive.

In comment 16403413 JayBinQueens said:

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going to be pissed when Gmen take McCarthy

I wouldn't like it, especially at #6. But then it's up to Daboll.

Since McCarthy played under Harbaugh, and apparently is this strong leader with a good football mind, he should play in 2024. And hopefully start.

Daniels
23 years old, his birthday just passed
6'4"
210

McCarthy
21, birthday just passed
6'3"
202

I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter.

In comment 16403378 ajr2456 said:

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That suggest the Pats may not end up taking a QB

They may really like the idea of MHJ+Nix or Pennix, there is merit to that idea

In comment 16403476 robbieballs2003 said:

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Daniels 23 years old, his birthday just passed 6'4" 210 McCarthy 21, birthday just passed 6'3" 202 I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter.

I think Michigan doesn't embelish weight and height like LSU does. And age definitely is a factor, JJ was 6'3 190 as a recruit while Daniels was 6'3 175 as a recruit for instance.

In comment 16403486 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16403476 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Daniels 23 years old, his birthday just passed 6'4" 210 McCarthy 21, birthday just passed 6'3" 202 I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter. I think Michigan doesn't embelish weight and height like LSU does. And age definitely is a factor, JJ was 6'3 190 as a recruit while Daniels was 6'3 175 as a recruit for instance.

No matter how you try to slice it, they are both thin and both should be a concern. Choosing one over the other shows bias.

In comment 16403273 Eric on Li said:

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and to put a finer point on it, I want 1 of the junior entries. I'd rather give Daboll a player to develop that's more moldable than a 6 year college player.

I want no part of Daniel’s. He will not be a good pro. He’s got a great offensive line. Throwing to nabers and Thomas and hes been in college as long as penix. No thank you. Give me Maye or McCarthy. I’d love rattler round 3 I think he has the tools to work with and he’s sneaky athletic. Plus arm talent for sure

In comment 16403487 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16403486 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16403476 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Daniels 23 years old, his birthday just passed 6'4" 210 McCarthy 21, birthday just passed 6'3" 202 I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter. I think Michigan doesn't embelish weight and height like LSU does. And age definitely is a factor, JJ was 6'3 190 as a recruit while Daniels was 6'3 175 as a recruit for instance. No matter how you try to slice it, they are both thin and both should be a concern. Choosing one over the other shows bias.

Well Daniels is my top ranked QB personally but i think JJ's weight is less of a concern than Daniels. I think Daniels will have to work a lot harder to maintain a Weight close to 225 than JJ would. And that isn't out of a bias for JJ, because Daniels has been my favorite QB of the bunch since last October.

In comment 16403505 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 16403273 Eric on Li said: Quote: and to put a finer point on it, I want 1 of the junior entries. I'd rather give Daboll a player to develop that's more moldable than a 6 year college player. I want no part of Daniel’s. He will not be a good pro. He’s got a great offensive line. Throwing to nabers and Thomas and hes been in college as long as penix. No thank you. Give me Maye or McCarthy. I’d love rattler round 3 I think he has the tools to work with and he’s sneaky athletic. Plus arm talent for sure

I can see your logic and concerns, but I think Daniels is going to be a stud personally.

In comment 16403476 robbieballs2003 said:

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I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter.

I think it's a visual thing because Daniels is narrow in the shoulders and waist. And I would guess there is a lot of questions around his listed weight. That will be resolved at the Combine.

Personally, I think McCarthy looks scrawny, btw.

who hasn’t won now despite playing with more talented players than he’ll be with in New England??? (And that includes MHJ). Consider me skeptical.

I’ll believe the Pats not taking a QB when I see it.

In comment 16403505 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 16403273 Eric on Li said: Quote: and to put a finer point on it, I want 1 of the junior entries. I'd rather give Daboll a player to develop that's more moldable than a 6 year college player. I want no part of Daniel’s. He will not be a good pro. He’s got a great offensive line. Throwing to nabers and Thomas and hes been in college as long as penix. No thank you. Give me Maye or McCarthy. I’d love rattler round 3 I think he has the tools to work with and he’s sneaky athletic. Plus arm talent for sure

Why do you think he has a great OL? Everything I've seen says the opposite.

In comment 16403509 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16403505 Tuckrule said: Quote: In comment 16403273 Eric on Li said: Quote: and to put a finer point on it, I want 1 of the junior entries. I'd rather give Daboll a player to develop that's more moldable than a 6 year college player. I want no part of Daniel’s. He will not be a good pro. He’s got a great offensive line. Throwing to nabers and Thomas and hes been in college as long as penix. No thank you. Give me Maye or McCarthy. I’d love rattler round 3 I think he has the tools to work with and he’s sneaky athletic. Plus arm talent for sure I can see your logic and concerns, but I think Daniels is going to be a stud personally.

I don’t even see the logic. If you play at LSU (or Ohio State or Bama), you’re going to be throwing to good players. Literally no one has ever thrown to players as good as the ones Joe Burrow played with. Who do you think CJ Stroud was throwing to? That can’t be a major part of the decision making process about a QB prospect.

In comment 16403535 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 16403509 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16403505 Tuckrule said: Quote: In comment 16403273 Eric on Li said: Quote: and to put a finer point on it, I want 1 of the junior entries. I'd rather give Daboll a player to develop that's more moldable than a 6 year college player. I want no part of Daniel’s. He will not be a good pro. He’s got a great offensive line. Throwing to nabers and Thomas and hes been in college as long as penix. No thank you. Give me Maye or McCarthy. I’d love rattler round 3 I think he has the tools to work with and he’s sneaky athletic. Plus arm talent for sure I can see your logic and concerns, but I think Daniels is going to be a stud personally. I don’t even see the logic. If you play at LSU (or Ohio State or Bama), you’re going to be throwing to good players. Literally no one has ever thrown to players as good as the ones Joe Burrow played with. Who do you think CJ Stroud was throwing to? That can’t be a major part of the decision making process about a QB prospect.

But somehow LSU has a great OL and Michigan doesn't? Lol.

McCarthy was not surrounded by good players is the height of idiocy.

Plus, he played under a Hall of Fame HC who happened to play QB in the NFL for a long time. That was a huge advantage.

We're going to get someone good. All the hollering will be about QB, though, that I understand.

Again, Daniels may have an elite trait (his running ability) but he is not a great NFL prospect. He has a solid arm and is skinny as hell. He was not a good college player until he came to LSU.

Just because you throw a million TDs in college does not mean you'll be good in the pros.

I think fans need to calm down regarding his actual body of work.

But one very real concern is the Mich talent around him. They were dramatically better than their opponents. The sample size of plays you can legitimately use to scout McCarthy is very small, as a result.

If you're asking me what I'd rather have:

I'd rather pass on Daniels in the 1st round and go with a more refined prospect at WR, edge, or OL.

In comment 16403615 ryanmkeane said:

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Again, Daniels may have an elite trait (his running ability) but he is not a great NFL prospect. He has a solid arm and is skinny as hell. He was not a good college player until he came to LSU. Just because you throw a million TDs in college does not mean you'll be good in the pros. I think fans need to calm down regarding his actual body of work.

"Not a great NFL prospect" who is going to be drafted in the top ten picks of the NFL draft.

Wouldn't it just be easier if you admitted that you have been so stupidly vocal about Lamar Jackson that now you have no choice but to talk shit about any prospect that people compare to Lamar?

I know that would certainly sound a lot more sincere than trying to act like throwing a bunch of TDs in college is somehow a red flag.

Good thing DJ has never had that particular problem.

Saying stuff like "it will be a disaster of a decision" if the Giants pass on Daniels is completely stupid and devoid of any evidence.

First of all, we have no idea if Daniels will even be available at 6.

If he is, and the Giants pass, and everyone freaks out, you'll likely have to wait 3 years to realize if that decision was good, or not so good.

Dunk, since you are really creepy and weird and seem to have an issue with every single thing I post, I'll respond:

-As I predicted, Lamar Jackson would fold in the playoffs when he is kept in the pocket. He had a pretty bad game against KC, at home, in a game that could have silenced his playoff doubters. Well, he did the opposite and made some game changing mistakes in that game. My opinion of Jackson stands. He is a great regular season player but if you are trying to win a Super Bowl, he likely isn't the guy to get you there. I was laughed at for about 10 weeks because I said Jackson isn't that great. Meanwhile, we had posters saying he is infinitely better (and the same as a passer or better) than Eli Manning - a QB who has 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

Regarding Jones - I am not sure what your point is? We've talked about this a million times over. I think his TDs will increase if he actually has a workable OL.

In comment 16403631 ryanmkeane said:

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Dunk, since you are really creepy and weird and seem to have an issue with every single thing I post, I'll respond: -As I predicted, Lamar Jackson would fold in the playoffs when he is kept in the pocket. He had a pretty bad game against KC, at home, in a game that could have silenced his playoff doubters. Well, he did the opposite and made some game changing mistakes in that game. My opinion of Jackson stands. He is a great regular season player but if you are trying to win a Super Bowl, he likely isn't the guy to get you there. I was laughed at for about 10 weeks because I said Jackson isn't that great. Meanwhile, we had posters saying he is infinitely better (and the same as a passer or better) than Eli Manning - a QB who has 2 Super Bowl MVPs. Regarding Jones - I am not sure what your point is? We've talked about this a million times over. I think his TDs will increase if he actually has a workable OL.

Since when is it "creepy and weird" to have an overwhelming hatred for stupidity?

And again, for the 100th time, college TDs (whether good or bad) has close to zero effect on your NFL prospects.

Matthew Stafford threw 7, 19, and 25 passing TDs in his 3 years at Georgia.

In comment 16403625 ryanmkeane said:

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Saying stuff like "it will be a disaster of a decision" if the Giants pass on Daniels is completely stupid and devoid of any evidence. First of all, we have no idea if Daniels will even be available at 6. If he is, and the Giants pass, and everyone freaks out, you'll likely have to wait 3 years to realize if that decision was good, or not so good.

How is it any different than saying Daniels isn’t a good NFL prospect?

Jesus Christ you are the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever seen. What’s your address I’ll ship you a mirror?

In comment 16403615 ryanmkeane said:

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Again, Daniels may have an elite trait (his running ability) but he is not a great NFL prospect. He has a solid arm and is skinny as hell. He was not a good college player until he came to LSU. Just because you throw a million TDs in college does not mean you'll be good in the pros. I think fans need to calm down regarding his actual body of work.

Clearly, you have limited insight. Go look at JD's stats his freshman year at ASU. In particular, look at his game against Oregon and Justin Herbert. He had 400+ yards passing, 2 TDs/0 INTs.

And you have no idea what was going on at ASU during Covid and when Edwards got ousted as HC.

In comment 16403634 ryanmkeane said:

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And again, for the 100th time, college TDs (whether good or bad) has close to zero effect on your NFL prospects. Matthew Stafford threw 7, 19, and 25 passing TDs in his 3 years at Georgia.

Those 25 touchdowns were #18 in the country, and would put him 19th today. 25 TDs is a really good year. 19 touchdowns would still have him near the top 50 in the country. He did that while being 33rd in attempts in final year, in a run first offense with Moreno.

Only 13 players in Stafford’s final year threw 30 tds or more. 10 did in 2023. Staffords production was actually pretty good.

For the record Daniels 2023 produced almost as many TDs as Jones threw in all of college.

To see the true height and weight when the Combine hits.

Jayden Daniels supposedly under 200 bills and will water weight his way over like how Bryce Young did.

McCarthy just turned 21. Not 23 like Daniels just did in December. He can easily 210+ by 23.

As a true freshman btw, he was 50th in the country in TDS while being 61st in attempts. That’s while only throwing 2 interceptions.

That’s pretty good production for a true freshman who started from day 1. Saying he produced nothing until he got to LSU is disingenuous at best and o ur right lying at worse.

ajr, we all understand and hope that the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels will be the day you finally leave the message board.

He might not even be there at 6 for the Giants to make that decision.

In comment 16403438 ryanmkeane said:

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And people are going to be equally annoyed if/when Daniels is on the board at 6 and the Giants pass on him.

But if the Giants take him, you’ll act like you were his biggest fan all along.

In comment 16403669 ryanmkeane said:

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ajr, we all understand and hope that the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels will be the day you finally leave the message board. He might not even be there at 6 for the Giants to make that decision.

Who's "we all"? Literally no one is hoping for that besides you. Now you leaving BBI, on the other hand, might actually coalesce a consensus.

That said, if Daniels isn't a good NFL prospect, why wouldn't he be available at #6 overall? Are only the top five prospects any good?

In comment 16403669 ryanmkeane said:

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ajr, we all understand and hope that the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels will be the day you finally leave the message board. He might not even be there at 6 for the Giants to make that decision.

Still trying to run people off of BBI. Wow

In comment 16403669 ryanmkeane said:

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ajr, we all understand and hope that the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels will be the day you finally leave the message board. He might not even be there at 6 for the Giants to make that decision.

Who is “we”? When are you going to leave? Because more people would prefer that.

Would you care to address how saying it would be a disaster is stupid but you saying he isn’t a good NFL prospect isn’t?

In comment 16403680 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 16403669 ryanmkeane said: Quote: ajr, we all understand and hope that the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels will be the day you finally leave the message board. He might not even be there at 6 for the Giants to make that decision. Who is “we”? When are you going to leave? Because more people would prefer that. Would you care to address how saying it would be a disaster is stupid but you saying he isn’t a good NFL prospect isn’t?

I assume Daniels isn't a good prospect because he needed to be more unassuming with throwing TDs in college like Matt Stafford was.

...with either JJ or JD.

But unlikely

in the agent field that the Pats are doing a lot of homework on JJ

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In comment 16403476 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: I don't get the size concerns with Daniels but nobody brings them up with McCarthy. And don't tell me McCarthy is 2 years younger so he can add weight. It isn't about weight. As has been pointed out by our Giants, it is about bone to muscle ratio. They both have small frames. Adding weight to small frames is more of an issue than being lighter. I think it's a visual thing because Daniels is narrow in the shoulders and waist. And I would guess there is a lot of questions around his listed weight. That will be resolved at the Combine. Personally, I think McCarthy looks scrawny, btw.

The NFL Stock Exchange guys put it well today. JJ is yo9unger and he's slender but they expect him to put on weight in the next 2 years. And they think JJ has to sit until he bulks up. For Daniels, they think he is just a slender dude. This is who he is. Narrow waisted, narrow up and down.

In comment 16403413 JayBinQueens said:

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going to be pissed when Gmen take McCarthy

Not Me. I'd be content and have hope that we could contend in 2026, if not 2025. As things currently stand, the outlook is bleak for the next couple of seasons.