It's a bit long, but Dunleavy drops some interesting crumbs throughout it. Some of which include..
- Daboll will be calling plays in 2024.
- Giants will look to draft a QB in day two, rather than trade up and lose draft capital, and have that QB compete with Jones in camp.
- Giants and Saquon's camp were only $1-2 million dollars of guarenteed money apart in negotiations last off-season, and was stunned that a deal wasn't agreed.
- Numerous players in the locker room were surprised that Jones got paid first instead of Saquon.
- Giants won't give McKinney the money he is looking for, and he'll more than likely sign elsewhere.
Of course there's a lot more included in the interview, but those were some nuggets Dunleavy dropped that got my attention.
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the guy they really like is their at 6.
Otherwise, get one of the stud WR.
This makes the most sense.
Schoen will work to have the most scenarios already set up.
Trade up (if possible), trade back into rd 1 (mid) or (end).
Since Jones is here next year no matter what, that extra year for a first rd QB, will be important, to keep the rookie wage scale in effect as long as possible.
It would be a mistake to pay him 16m a year to stay (which is what he wants).
I can't dig in anymore. I just want to win. Schoen seems over his head but who knows...maybe he's got big plans this off-season.
-Dunleavy believes Schoen & Daboll would want to trade up for the QB if given the opportunity.
The biggest issue discussed was timeline. Credit to Terps who's discussed this - if Schoen & Daboll feel pressure to win, they won't waste a premium pick on a QB who might not even play initially. The key to the offseason is the timeline of Schoen & Daboll, do they have the buy in from ownership to be patient and develop a QB?
Dunleavy does NOT think Mara pressured Schoen into signing Jones. Credit to bw - Dunleavy thinks there was no pressure from Mara on Jones. Dunleavy said it would be burning through equity to bench the guy he's cutting an $82M check for.
Dunleavy thinks the likeliest scenario is drafting a Nix/Penix type prospect in the top of the 2nd round to compete with Jones. However, everyone on the pod including Dunleavy feels it should be a first round pick or bust for QB.
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because he's a hardlineer and fans love telling players to fuck off financially.
If we lose McKinney after losing Love one year earlier, the first deep pass torching this defense in 24 I am going to lose my fucking mind.
Draft Love. Lose him. Draft McKinney. Lose him too.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING.
Pinnock did just fine replacing Love.
McKinney is a different story. He made two fantastic plays in the last game of the season, but those were his two most memorable plays all year. He has good range and is an asset. However, he's a bit of a loose cannon (ATV, criticizing Wink publicly during the season, has a bit of an inflated ego). You can't spend top dollar on a guy who doesn't make a lot of impact plays. I'd prefer to keep him, but would not break the bank for him.
He might actually be better in Bowen’s Defense, which is supposed to be similar to Graham’s and he excelled in his D. I didn’t like his tackling last year, but I don’t like giving up on talent either. Our D would be solid right up the gut with Dex, Okereke and McKinney.
I still don't see the point in letting prime and talented young players walk, I mean why? WHo the hell do you need to keep at the expense of a player like McKinney? We don't have anyone else worth a wet shit. Who the fuck are we saving money for?
-Dunleavy believes Schoen & Daboll would want to trade up for the QB if given the opportunity.
The biggest issue discussed was timeline. Credit to Terps who's discussed this - if Schoen & Daboll feel pressure to win, they won't waste a premium pick on a QB who might not even play initially. The key to the offseason is the timeline of Schoen & Daboll, do they have the buy in from ownership to be patient and develop a QB?
Dunleavy does NOT think Mara pressured Schoen into signing Jones. Credit to bw - Dunleavy thinks there was no pressure from Mara on Jones. Dunleavy said it would be burning through equity to bench the guy he's cutting an $82M check for.
Dunleavy thinks the likeliest scenario is drafting a Nix/Penix type prospect in the top of the 2nd round to compete with Jones. However, everyone on the pod including Dunleavy feels it should be a first round pick or bust for QB.
gets back to the beginning. The 5th year option would have been the right, most cost effective thing to do. Make Jones prove it for 2 years while looking for another QB to draft, and an easy, finite walk exit would be here now.
I think the was the plan…but Saquon’s dumb ass agent got in the way of that
So what's your proposition? Overpay for both Barkley and McKinney just because you drafted them and well they're kind of starters who flash but aren't nearly consistent enough or impactful based on the positional value/fit in todays NFL?
In djm's world, the cap is Sasquatch.
Some people think they see something once in a while, but in reality, it's a myth.
Bring in any rookie QB and they are destined for failure on the Giants unless the supporting cast takes a big leap.
Now if the right QB falls to them at 6 I think they would draft him. If you have an opportunity to improve the most important position on the team you do it.
My feeling is it will be a WR in round 1. I think the Giants need one in the worst way and the draft seems to have 3 potential top 10 WRs. As much as the draft is BPA its also heavily biased towards need. Value comes in to play too and WR is a Great value in the top 10.
You’re right….they didn’t, but they were inches apart on a multi year deal until his agent blew the whole thing up
As much as everyone incessantly argues about Jones, I think everyone 100% agrees with this assessment at this point. But it is hindsight that clarified it.... lol
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Saqoun.
You’re right….they didn’t, but they were inches apart on a multi year deal until his agent blew the whole thing up
So let him walk and franchise Jones like they likely wanted to. Giving Jones a big deal just so you can tag Saqoun, who ended up having a not great year, is malpractice
Let Saquon walk, draft Jones' successor, and go from there.
Jones plays next year (or at least in the beginning), and get the young players on the roster to develop. That will solidify many things. Then keep adding to a core of talent until you can be competitive consistently. That should be the plan.
They realize Barkley and his agents declined offers? And a handsome offer of $22M guaranteed last?
Let him go, ffs.
Probably right, but it seems like some aren’t pleased about it went anyway
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is he is Saquon's #1 cheerleader, and argues with any fan on Twitter about moving on.
Bobby Skinner was busting his chops about that too, and I thought Dunleavy handled it pretty well - said the Giants should not let go of Saquon until they have a playmaker at any position who strikes fear in opposing defenses.
News flash, Barkley doesn't strike fear in anyone.
Exactly
Saquon’s cheerleader? That’s all I need to know about him..
I still don't see the point in letting prime and talented young players walk, I mean why? WHo the hell do you need to keep at the expense of a player like McKinney? We don't have anyone else worth a wet shit. Who the fuck are we saving money for?
Some FA guards? The offense seems worse off than the D
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Saqoun.
You’re right….they didn’t, but they were inches apart on a multi year deal until his agent blew the whole thing up
Then the agent did the Giants a favor. Wonder if they're smart enough to realize that.
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Correct. Once they declined the option, the next best option was the franchise tag, with the next best option being letting him walk.
As much as everyone incessantly argues about Jones, I think everyone 100% agrees with this assessment at this point. But it is hindsight that clarified it.... lol
but HAD they done it, can you imagine all the "Schoen/Daboll only hired because they first agreed to extend Jones" bullshit we would have heard?
Only reinforces my belief that Schoen/Daboll didn't view 2023 as a mulligan year, as they shouldn't per the timeline of the contract.
If true, it puts the promotion for Kafka in different light... soothe possible hurt feelings.
Unless you want to convince me that the NY Giants know more about QB evaluations than most other teams. Although drafting Jones, keeping him for 6 years and extending him with that silly deal tells me otherwise.
Someone above "them" wanted a different HC when Daboll was hired." Who are "them" and who would be above John Mara when it comes to hiring a HC?
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I didn't think Mara forced the Jones contract but certainly happy about it. NEFT was the better play and just about the worst scenario happened last season.
I think QB is still in play at pick 6 but I think it is fair for Mara to ask a lot of hard questions. Schoen's decision but Mara can make is clear things need to improve.
Precisely. If Daboll is a good HC, he should be able to navigate the loss of Barkley. And the players will get over the loss of a RB who hasn't won anything in his football career. Including his time in high school at White Hall.
Such a non-issue...
In the end, it does not matter where they get one. Almost any QB they draft in the first or second round will be better than Jones. We all saw what Tyrod Taylor was able to do, even throwing balls at WRs feet and missing open guys. We saw that DeVito actually ran the offense better(when he didn't freeze) than Jones.
If Nix or Penix are there in round two, they will be a huge upgrade over Jones. I do not think McCarthy will be an upgrade this season, but likely in 2025.
Not sure I want any part of the 3rd tier guys - Rattler or Pratt unless in the 4th or later rounds.
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a couple of times in recent weeks, there have been whispers that Daboll will call the plays.
If true, it puts the promotion for Kafka in different light... soothe possible hurt feelings.
Kick the dog and then pet it.
Again, what's your point here?
That Daboll should not do what he thinks is best?
To not soothe over possible hurt feelings?
What's your point?
If we lose McKinney after losing Love one year earlier, the first deep pass torching this defense in 24 I am going to lose my fucking mind.
Draft Love. Lose him. Draft McKinney. Lose him too.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING.
Blame Gettleman, not Schoen. Gettleman had zero awareness of positional value. DG is the one that drafted Barkley 2nd overall. He’s the one that drafted McKinney in the 2nd round. Not Schoen. RB and safety are fungible positions that smart teams don’t draft high because handing out a second contract to those positions is not smart use of resources. And you don’t draft players high that you likely aren’t going to re sign.
The "nephew?" Gee, I thought John Mara is Giants president and CEO, not the "nephew."
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because he's a hardlineer and fans love telling players to fuck off financially.
If we lose McKinney after losing Love one year earlier, the first deep pass torching this defense in 24 I am going to lose my fucking mind.
Draft Love. Lose him. Draft McKinney. Lose him too.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING.
Blame Gettleman, not Schoen. Gettleman had zero awareness of positional value. DG is the one that drafted Barkley 2nd overall. He’s the one that drafted McKinney in the 2nd round. Not Schoen. RB and safety are fungible positions that smart teams don’t draft high because handing out a second contract to those positions is not smart use of resources. And you don’t draft players high that you likely aren’t going to re sign.
But at this point of my life, after rooting for the Giants uniform for the entire Super Bowl era, I want the Giants to win period. The days of me having any emotional connection to Giants players ended when the Bill Parcells era players retired or when they were dumped by George Young.
There have been a few exceptions. Eli for sure, Cruz, Tiki and Tuck too. But of the most part I look at the players as numbers in a Giants uniform now.
The rules of NFL engagement (the CBA) include a salary cap that has to be taken into account when deciding which players to keep and which ones to let go.
I had no problem with the Giants letting Love walk. They offered him more money than he eventually signed for and I think Pinnock is a better player and way more cost effective.
On the contrary I want the Giants to keep McKinney even at full retail because I think he's a top 10 at his position if used correctly. IMO looking at the TN defense the past few years vs the Giants defense the past few years it's very likely the new DC will maximize his skill set more than previous DC did.
I do not want the Giants to retain Saquon. I think his best years are behind him and the Giants can replace his production with a much more cost effective option, similar to Love vs Pinnock. Although I don't think Barkley's replacement is on the current roster. My opinion is that RB is the easiest and quickest position to fill in the NFL. Invest Barkley's money in OG, WR and TE instead.