According to NFL insider Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, Caleb Williams has decided not to hire an agent as he begins his NFL career. Instead, he is planning to represent himself.
Pretty bold to see a rookie planning to represent himself.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
I have yet to hear anybody liken Caleb Williams to Luck/Lawrence hype.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
Of course, just because I am honest about player ability versus other players it automatically means I'm a bad fan or some kind of traitor. On other social media platforms I was very early to insist Daniel Jones was inadequate and faced a lot of unhinged vitriol. And here we are 3 years later, and almost the whole community has come around. I'm sorry it bothers you that Williams is the best talent in this draft. I can't do anything about it. If I'm wrong, he won't go first. But he will. And you already know it.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
I have yet to hear anybody liken Caleb Williams to Luck/Lawrence hype.
You are wrong. I have posted three analyses by committed evaluators, and they just about put him in that class. Waldman, Klatt, PFF draft stock exchange. And I would make it four and say Daniel Jeremiah. Just because you don't read them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
Of course, just because I am honest about player ability versus other players it automatically means I'm a bad fan or some kind of traitor. On other social media platforms I was very early to insist Daniel Jones was inadequate and faced a lot of unhinged vitriol. And here we are 3 years later, and almost the whole community has come around. I'm sorry it bothers you that Williams is the best talent in this draft. I can't do anything about it. If I'm wrong, he won't go first. But he will. And you already know it.
Him going first doesn't mean he is the best talent in this draft. We've all been discussing this ad nauseum. There are so many factors going into a college qb becoming an elite NFL qb--many of them intangible and practically unchartable--that it is truly a crapshoot. That's part of the fun in having differing opinions and discussing it. I can predict he will be the top qb selected while still personally thinking he isn't my top ranked qb. And it doesn't bother me that he is the projected top pick, it would bother me if I believed he was truly generational.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
I have yet to hear anybody liken Caleb Williams to Luck/Lawrence hype.
You are wrong. I have posted three analyses by committed evaluators, and they just about put him in that class. Waldman, Klatt, PFF draft stock exchange. And I would make it four and say Daniel Jeremiah. Just because you don't read them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Caleb Williams
Trevor Lawrence
Joe Burrow
Drake Maye
Bryce Young
That's Klatt's top qb prospects since Andrew Luck. I think they are all a bunch of mindless parrots basically. It will be fun to watch over the next years to see what happens.
How is saving 10% to 15% to do a pro forma contract an oddball thing? Explain convincingly how it is oddball and I'll agree with you. Just because a bunch of keyboard warriors shout he's a DUMB, a FLAKE and a MORON doesn't mean there is anything to this. Isn't smart to save money for nothing? Doesn't that show he may have something "between the ears"? Don't we want a savvy player to be our QB?
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but it’s yet another odd situation Williams has put himself in. I personally don’t care what the guy does but he’s an oddball at the very least, but at the worst it’s another red flag for a personality flaw. That isnt vitriol just because you disagree with it.
How is saving 10% to 15% to do a pro forma contract an oddball thing? Explain convincingly how it is oddball and I'll agree with you. Just because a bunch of keyboard warriors shout he's a DUMB, a FLAKE and a MORON doesn't mean there is anything to this. Isn't smart to save money for nothing? Doesn't that show he may have something "between the ears"? Don't we want a savvy player to be our QB?
Oh I see what is happening here. It seems like you're the one extremely triggered by the fact that we will not be getting the prospect you see as the Golden generational one. That is unfortunate, I'm sorry buddy.
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but it’s yet another odd situation Williams has put himself in. I personally don’t care what the guy does but he’s an oddball at the very least, but at the worst it’s another red flag for a personality flaw. That isnt vitriol just because you disagree with it.
How is saving 10% to 15% to do a pro forma contract an oddball thing? Explain convincingly how it is oddball and I'll agree with you. Just because a bunch of keyboard warriors shout he's a DUMB, a FLAKE and a MORON doesn't mean there is anything to this. Isn't smart to save money for nothing? Doesn't that show he may have something "between the ears"? Don't we want a savvy player to be our QB?
Oh I see what is happening here. It seems like you're the one extremely triggered by the fact that we will not be getting the prospect you see as the Golden generational one. That is unfortunate, I'm sorry buddy.
Are these words that you are stringing together supposed to make sense in English, in the modern world? I'm not sure if your intention is to communicate an idea or perhaps a kind of performative art meant to signify intellectual dysfunction. If so, you might be a genius.
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His deal is going to be slotted and not much to talk about besides lingo and he can sign an agent at anytime before he signs his deal. he has the chance to get a good deal and if it snags he brings in a pro.
Yea the negative reaction to this as a red flag is insane. There’s not much an agent can do for him right now.
Such strange and unrelenting vitriol over a nothing-burger. He triggers some people. Wild to watch it play out.
I don't see anyone questioning his generational talent hype as triggered. They are just questioning the mainstream narrative that he is the best qb prospect since Andrew Luck due to a lot of valid concerns. Are you going to get a Washington Commies Caleb Williams jersey if he ends up there and start rooting for them?
I have yet to hear anybody liken Caleb Williams to Luck/Lawrence hype.
You are wrong. I have posted three analyses by committed evaluators, and they just about put him in that class. Waldman, Klatt, PFF draft stock exchange. And I would make it four and say Daniel Jeremiah. Just because you don't read them doesn't mean they don't exist.
You're deliding yourself. On no planet is CW considered the consenseus, trade phone taken off the hook that Luck and Lawrence were. He isnt even as big a prospect as Eli and he had at least one other hall of famer in his draft.
I don't know ehat you are trying to prove here. Im still pretty new to the site and admittedly figuring out some tendencies. But I can honestly say that you are easily the most annoying poster Ive encountered. Its not because I disagree with you (Im not sure I do), but more I can't figure out why you are trying to sell this so hard despite you obviously being dead wrong under one of your other guises about several other prospects. I also don't know how you benefit from this. But I can tell you, your posts are boring, muddy up healthy discussions and come off with an arrogance that apparently bothers others.
You (Producer) also said Malik Willis was as good or better than Daniel Jones. You should try... Not talking for a while because nobody takes you seriously.
Caleb Williams has been the presumptive #1 for over a year. That puts him in a special class of QBs. Sometimes reality doesn't conform to your biases. But it's ok. You always have tomorrow to get it right.
Just pipe down. Everybody knows your stance. Just tired of reading it ad nauseam.
The GQ article I mentioned earlier is a good read. I came away with a good impression of his family. But we've all seen examples where the family being involved is a bad dynamic.
I posted this in another thread, in my extremely limited time learning about him, I think a great comparable is Kyler Murray.
The GQ article I mentioned earlier is a good read. I came away with a good impression of his family. But we've all seen examples where the family being involved is a bad dynamic.
I posted this in another thread, in my extremely limited time learning about him, I think a great comparable is Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murray - if Kyler Murray was bigger, had a much bigger arm, had much better pocket presence and committed to the pocket, and was a much better pocket passer, then yes. And Murray is already a top-10 QB. So if the comp is true, with these adjustments, what does that make Caleb Williams?
But it wouldn’t be a red flag if Maye did it? Because there wasn’t a made up story about Maye asking for team ownership?
Clearly not just the best football player ever, but maybe athlete? Maybe best human? I don't want to go nuts, but like maybe a minor god?
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Kyler Murray - if Kyler Murray was bigger, had a much bigger arm, had much better pocket presence and committed to the pocket, and was a much better pocket passer, then yes. And Murray is already a top-10 QB. So if the comp is true, with these adjustments, what does that make Caleb Williams?
Clearly not just the best football player ever, but maybe athlete? Maybe best human? I don't want to go nuts, but like maybe a minor god?
Nice. I like it. Just remember we had this conversation.
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but it’s yet another odd situation Williams has put himself in. I personally don’t care what the guy does but he’s an oddball at the very least, but at the worst it’s another red flag for a personality flaw. That isnt vitriol just because you disagree with it.
But it wouldn’t be a red flag if Maye did it? Because there wasn’t a made up story about Maye asking for team ownership?
Hey if you think there’s nothing to worry about with his mental makeup, good for you. I’ve learned time and time again where there’s smoke theirs fire. And there’s been a ton of smoke this past year.
I don’t really care about being right on this. Hope the guy ends up being a good player unless he’s a redskin. But I am suspect of him and I’m a fan and don’t pick players so it doesn’t matter what I think.
Producer, not responding to you. You are getting the dupe treatment. Have fun baiting others.
I don't find the need to run around virtually screaming about how phenomenal he is.
Missed Sy's comments but he's been making millions. You can bet his current "management" isn't certified w the NFL. Talent isnt enough. This kid seem like a guy who is going to work his ass off to get better each day/week/year?
Red flags all over the place. Never was about his talent but hate have lottos faith this kid has the common sense to not fuck this up.
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Don't forget Manhattan
It’s the same guy. And he was FranchiseQB before Producer. Keeps getting banned and then thinks he’s slick coming back as yet another annoying version
Thanks. Total loon. I knew he was a dupe. They always out themselves thanks now I know which one
I missed this.. where is it ?
Theoretically coudlnt he could go back to college...
Theoretically coudlnt he could go back to college...
He declared for the draft so he’s no longer college eligible.
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if he gets drafted by a team he doesnt like..
Theoretically coudlnt he could go back to college...
He declared for the draft so he’s no longer college eligible.
I thought Cam Ward declared but never hired an sgent and was allowed to transfer to Miami because no agent was hired?
Correct, hiring an agent immediately terminates a player's eligibility, but even without an agent there's a withdrawal deadline, which has now passed.
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but there’s a deadline, it’s in January I believe. That was the big date for Williams as he wouldn’t be able to change back to college after it.
Correct, hiring an agent immediately terminates a player's eligibility, but even without an agent there's a withdrawal deadline, which has now passed.
I figured that was the case. I guess I was just saying CW wouldnt be able to waffle simply because he didnt hire an agent.
Thanks for clarifying though
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even if the contract is pretty much slotted.
You're a rookie draftee right out of college. Across the table are professional negotiators who've done more NFL contracts than they can count. Their job is to get the most out of you for the least money — within the strictures of the CBA.
Facing them, you have never negotiated anything like this deal. The stakes for you are very high; if you mess this up, you can really hurt your future income and opportunities.
If you really feel you shouldn't be paying an agent a percentage for a deal that's pre-slotted, you can negotiate something with your reps to reduce commission on the predetermined portion of your deal, or to limit commission to the negotiable parts of the deal.
I understand why someone in Williams' position would think "What am I paying all that money for?" but in a way it's like insurance. Your agent is there to make sure you don't get screwed. Maybe you don't need him, but when you need him, you REALLY need him.
On the other hand, is a team really going to draft a guy in the top 5 and then go into the negotiation and say "Hey, this kid doesn't have an agent! Let's f*ck him over to save some money!!!"
Exactly.
What owner wants this bad press if their no. 1 pick doesn't sign because he's being strongarmed by the team who drafted him?...
Seems very shortsighted when the salary isn't the issue.
I don't find the need to run around virtually screaming about how phenomenal he is.
Once again you're overestimating what you know about my intentions. I'm not insisting he will be great, though he has a good chance to be great. I'm trying to dispel some misperceptions, mainly that he in some way has some personality defect or leadership deficit, which are completely baseless assumptions, not based on any legit data or reporting. These are biases based on rumor, innuendo and bias.
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start. LJax, part two.
Now this could be a red flag...
If I'm Chicago, I am seriously considering Daniels...
This guy isn't as good as Lamar.
He absolutely is a better prospect than Lamar was
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Another way to look at it, is the guy has all the boxes checked, and he's really smart to not handover several million dollars to a resource he doesn't need.
The GQ article I mentioned earlier is a good read. I came away with a good impression of his family. But we've all seen examples where the family being involved is a bad dynamic.
I posted this in another thread, in my extremely limited time learning about him, I think a great comparable is Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murray - if Kyler Murray was bigger, had a much bigger arm, had much better pocket presence and committed to the pocket, and was a much better pocket passer, then yes. And Murray is already a top-10 QB. So if the comp is true, with these adjustments, what does that make Caleb Williams?
There no one on the planet who thinks Murray is a top 10 Qb. No one
I haven't seen anything indicating that he doesn't plan to acquire an agent after the draft.
I don't find the need to run around virtually screaming about how phenomenal he is.
Once again you're overestimating what you know about my intentions. I'm not insisting he will be great, though he has a good chance to be great. I'm trying to dispel some misperceptions, mainly that he in some way has some personality defect or leadership deficit, which are completely baseless assumptions, not based on any legit data or reporting. These are biases based on rumor, innuendo and bias.
Believe me amigo, I wouldn't dare imagine what your intentions are.
But it takes no special skills of clairvoyance to index the frequency at which you post about how wonderful he is.
I haven't seen anything indicating that he doesn't plan to acquire an agent after the draft.
I agree with the fixed salary amount.
An agent, however, is an advocate and intel collector. So, he will be able to connect with teams on the player's behalf and assess and share the latest intel as situations shift, especially well-established agents.
Maybe that isn't important to Team Caleb, and they feel they can manage those parts. But there is some added value despite the fixed salary.
See the drama from this past season.
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Unless I'm missing something, the rookie salary for someone drafted in the first round is non-negotiable - would make sense to not take a chunk out of that salary with agent fees if an agent isn't really able to make an impact on the potential earnings at this point.
I haven't seen anything indicating that he doesn't plan to acquire an agent after the draft.
I agree with the fixed salary amount.
An agent, however, is an advocate and intel collector. So, he will be able to connect with teams on the player's behalf and assess and share the latest intel as situations shift, especially well-established agents.
Maybe that isn't important to Team Caleb, and they feel they can manage those parts. But there is some added value despite the fixed salary.
Agreed but he'll be a top 3 pick at worst .... he'll get the shoe deal his salary is basically set. Hire a lawyer to review the rookie deal. A PR team for gigs and endorsement deals. Biggest thing he can do is recognize that social media is not his friend and to stay away "personally", use the PR team. Now his 2nd contract an agent would be ideal.
See the drama from this past season.
One perspective to keep in mind. While either at Oklahoma or USC, Riley's defenses were abysmal, especially at USC. They couldn't stop Mater Dei, the best high school in California.
Thus, this put an immense burden on CW to try to outscore every team. Because that ostensibly became the strategy in 2022 and 2023. So, if he and the offense were off in a game, which happened, this will make any player frustrated. Character flaw? Maybe. Or maybe it's just human nature for a young man still trying to grow up...
See the drama from this past season.
I look forward to reading your book on Leadership in the NFL. Especially the chapter on Daniel Jones: "He has IT".
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start. LJax, part two.
Now this could be a red flag...
If I'm Chicago, I am seriously considering Daniels...
This guy isn't as good as Lamar.
He absolutely is a better prospect than Lamar was
Lamar was clearly misevaluated by the NFL. He should have been the first pick in that draft.
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start. LJax, part two.
Now this could be a red flag...
If I'm Chicago, I am seriously considering Daniels...
This guy isn't as good as Lamar.
He absolutely is a better prospect than Lamar was
Lamar was clearly misevaluated by the NFL. He should have been the first pick in that draft.
Over Josh Allen?
Over Josh Allen?
I really like LJax, but Allen is from another planet. And I contend his running is just as effective as LJax's at this stage.
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Putting it out there. He is not Mahomes and will never be Mahomes. He will definitely flash, too much arm talent not to. He will lose his locker room over time because he is small in character.
See the drama from this past season.
I look forward to reading your book on Leadership in the NFL. Especially the chapter on Daniel Jones: "He has IT".
Then hire an agent for all the promotional side gigs?
That certainly seems the most rational thing to do. The agent does not write or review the contract. That is the lawyer. Which I would be shocked if the player's did not pay separtely. So the agent woudl get something like $1.2MM to negotiate a deal that is 99% locked in by the CBA. The fact that he does not want to pay 3% doesn't mean he isn't getting help and representation. We will have to see how it actually plays out.
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but, can't he just hire a contract lawyer/consultant for the fine print, saving himself millions on the contract? As noted, there's not much negotiation regarding the overall details.
Then hire an agent for all the promotional side gigs?
That certainly seems the most rational thing to do. The agent does not write or review the contract. That is the lawyer. Which I would be shocked if the player's did not pay separtely. So the agent woudl get something like $1.2MM to negotiate a deal that is 99% locked in by the CBA. The fact that he does not want to pay 3% doesn't mean he isn't getting help and representation. We will have to see how it actually plays out.
Yep, that is why I would not fault him for not hiring an agent IF that is the reason. That being said, the agents are more than just negotiating contracts and arranging combine prep. The interviews are going to play a big role in where Williams eventually gets drafted and agents have access to the people who can help Williams in that area.