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Caleb Williams enters the NFL without an agent

Pete from Woodstock : 2/21/2024 2:14 pm
According to NFL insider Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, Caleb Williams has decided not to hire an agent as he begins his NFL career. Instead, he is planning to represent himself.

Pretty bold to see a rookie planning to represent himself.
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Not  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2024 2:16 pm : link
good and this may cause a team to re-think him. If he ends up missing any significant camp time, that impacts his entire rookie campaign.
That seems  
logman : 2/21/2024 2:16 pm : link
unwise
combine  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2024 2:19 pm : link
this with what Sy just posted about what his teammates said after the season.
Sounds like  
DonnieD89 : 2/21/2024 2:21 pm : link
his dad will be his agent, so they could negotiate part ownership of the team that will select him.🙄
Right out of the chute,  
BocaGene : 2/21/2024 2:21 pm : link
he exhibits poor judgement and thought process.
Not a good...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2024 2:22 pm : link
start. LJax, part two.

Now this could be a red flag...

If I'm Chicago, I am seriously considering Daniels...
..  
Eli Wilson : 2/21/2024 2:22 pm : link
I'm just  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2024 2:23 pm : link
waiting for the poster who says this isn't a big deal.
it's not crazy  
Giantsfan79 : 2/21/2024 2:24 pm : link
Because with the rookie contract caps the contracts are almost prewritten with nothing to haggle over. Williams saves the agent fee now and presumably will get one for the second contract
Lamar did fine for  
section125 : 2/21/2024 2:24 pm : link
himself. Twice...
happy to oblige  
Giantsfan79 : 2/21/2024 2:24 pm : link
Eric
RE: I'm just  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2024 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16404426 Eric from BBI said:
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waiting for the poster who says this isn't a big deal.


Yup. Not sure why some think Caleb can do no wrong. There’s just so much off about him. Really unappealing player off the field, basically creating what could be insurmountable pressure for himself on it the field.
These kids are really dumb  
robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2024 2:28 pm : link
.
Give me Daniels or Maye over this guy  
Chris684 : 2/21/2024 2:28 pm : link
I can probably be talked into McCarthy over him as well.

Being the face of an NFL franchise is a juggling act of many things, brains, personality, character, etc.

It ain’t all just talent.
Didn’t he mentioned, watching part ownership  
Mike in Prescott : 2/21/2024 2:30 pm : link
As a potential contract demand? IIRC on that point combined with this news he may get on the “Hard pass“ list for some teams.
RE: Didn’t he mentioned, watching part ownership  
Mike in Prescott : 2/21/2024 2:31 pm : link
*wanting
Producer...  
IchabodGiant : 2/21/2024 2:32 pm : link
Incoming in 3...2...
Unless he plans to hire an agent post-signing  
Sky King : 2/21/2024 2:32 pm : link
To handle endorsements, ads, etc...

This is stupid as shit.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/21/2024 2:32 pm : link
He’s talented AF, but the more I read and see stuff like this…some red flags.
RE: Not a good...  
Go Terps : 2/21/2024 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16404421 bw in dc said:
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start. LJax, part two.

Now this could be a red flag...

If I'm Chicago, I am seriously considering Daniels...


This guy isn't as good as Lamar.
Would anybody be surprised...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2024 2:34 pm : link
if Caleb Williams said his favorite NBA player was Kyrie Irving? ;)
RE: Would anybody be surprised...  
IchabodGiant : 2/21/2024 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16404463 bw in dc said:
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if Caleb Williams said his favorite NBA player was Kyrie Irving? ;)


LOL. That's perfect.
Isn't the contract  
Blueworm : 2/21/2024 2:36 pm : link
Predetermined now based on draft spot anyway?
Wonder if he drills his own teeth?  
Sky King : 2/21/2024 2:36 pm : link
Would save a lot of money.
RE: Isn't the contract  
IchabodGiant : 2/21/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16404465 Blueworm said:
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Predetermined now based on draft spot anyway?


Plenty more than just the rookie contract to deal with. It's so short-sighted.
"A lawyer who represents himself in court  
allstarjim : 2/21/2024 2:39 pm : link
has a fool for a client."

But at least that lawyer has an in-depth knowledge of the law and probably experience in a courtroom.

How many NFL contracts has CW negotiated? Is he an expert on NFL contract language? It's not just about the money.
RE: Isn't the contract  
robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2024 2:39 pm : link
In comment 16404465 Blueworm said:
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Predetermined now based on draft spot anyway?


Yes and no. There are small negotiation points. However, agents provide way more than just the ability to negotiate a contract.
With rookie contracts being slotted and there being a union to help  
MotownGIANTS : 2/21/2024 2:40 pm : link
protect him as well. He does not need a agent really at least on the 1st contract. He can hire a lawyer for contract review.

Length is static, Amount is capped /w a built in escalator. The tricky part is bonus payment language and injury fine print.
RE: Isn't the contract  
bw in dc : 2/21/2024 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16404465 Blueworm said:
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Predetermined now based on draft spot anyway?


Largely, yes, per the CBA. But I think it's just the pain in the ass factor and lack of expertise in managing the contract.
Smart move on his part given how the CBA  
Metnut : 2/21/2024 2:42 pm : link
works. He’s going to light it up in Chicago.
RE: Lamar did fine for  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16404429 section125 said:
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himself. Twice...


You dont know that about his draft day, could have been better. As a player with production in the league, that made sense to me the second time around. But of course, the exception doesn’t disprove the rule so this isn’t really a big endorsement of the strategy before playing a down in the league. Then add in all the other rumors on top of it.
What does he think he's doing?  
nygiantfan : 2/21/2024 2:43 pm : link
Take him off the board please.
RE: Lamar did fine for  
MotownGIANTS : 2/21/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16404429 section125 said:
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himself. Twice...



All the nay sayers are going to ignore and pretend that is an alternate reality.
Another example of … ‘we’re all legends in our own mind’.  
Spider56 : 2/21/2024 2:48 pm : link
It would be interesting to know the real back story of the decision … either tgat or there will be a quick news reversal within a few days.
I think it's stupid, and its also not as controversial  
Ben in Tampa : 2/21/2024 2:50 pm : link
as it sounds. There are plenty of big name players who have presented themselves: Lamar, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, others...

Barkley's agent  
MotownGIANTS : 2/21/2024 2:52 pm : link
did a bang up job .....
RE: combine  
Mike in Prescott : 2/21/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16404417 Eric from BBI said:
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this with what Sy just posted about what his teammates said after the season.


Eric, I am having trouble finding that comment by Sy here or on X. What was the mention, or can you provide a link? Much appreciated.
not saying it isn't a big deal  
fkap : 2/21/2024 2:52 pm : link
but, can't he just hire a contract lawyer/consultant for the fine print, saving himself millions on the contract? As noted, there's not much negotiation regarding the overall details.

Then hire an agent for all the promotional side gigs?
well  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2024 2:52 pm : link
at least he doesn't have an agent who is trying to stiff pizza joints during autograph signings... so I guess he's got that going for him.
RE: RE: combine  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2024 2:53 pm : link
In comment 16404500 Mike in Prescott said:
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In comment 16404417 Eric from BBI said:


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this with what Sy just posted about what his teammates said after the season.



Eric, I am having trouble finding that comment by Sy here or on X. What was the mention, or can you provide a link? Much appreciated.


It's in the Sy thread on Williams... it's his most recent post.
It would be interesting to understand the motivation  
Mike from Ohio : 2/21/2024 2:56 pm : link
Does he just think because NFL rookie contracts are slotted that he just doesn't need an agent for the first contract, or did he interview some and they were not on board for how he wanted them to handle it?

Either way, seems like a poor decision. Sometimes you need someone to tell you hard truths. Wanting to avoid that is a sign of immaturity.
It's really sad  
Johnny5 : 2/21/2024 2:58 pm : link
The dude has so much of the physical ability. Like eye popping.
RE: I think it's stupid, and its also not as controversial  
robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16404497 Ben in Tampa said:
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as it sounds. There are plenty of big name players who have presented themselves: Lamar, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, others...


Are you really using Lamar Jackson as an argument in your defense of not hiring an agent? That was a shit show.

You know who else represented himself and thought he had all the answers? Ereck Flowers. Again, agents do way more than just negotiate a contract. Maybe if Flowers had an agewnt besides his dad, he would have surrounded himself with people who knew what it takes to succeed in the NFL. Maybe he could have hooked up with other NFL players instead of training on his own. The contract negotiation is such a small piece of what is offered. All this shows is that he us ignorant.
RE: it's not crazy  
ajr2456 : 2/21/2024 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16404428 Giantsfan79 said:
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Because with the rookie contract caps the contracts are almost prewritten with nothing to haggle over. Williams saves the agent fee now and presumably will get one for the second contract


This. The contract is preset. I don’t think it’s a red flag
"Kid, call me! I can get you some serious gabagool!"  
Mike from Ohio : 2/21/2024 3:01 pm : link
RE: RE: it's not crazy  
Manhattan : 2/21/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16404519 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16404428 Giantsfan79 said:


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Because with the rookie contract caps the contracts are almost prewritten with nothing to haggle over. Williams saves the agent fee now and presumably will get one for the second contract



This. The contract is preset. I don’t think it’s a red flag


It's ok. It's another opportunity to have an illogical spasm of outrage.
Doucheness  
Spider43 : 2/21/2024 3:06 pm : link
Overload.
I'm not saying it's not a big  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2024 3:07 pm : link
deal, but aren't the rookie deals basically all slotted with the current CBA?

Do any rookies really hold out anymore?

It's not like the olden days.
 
christian : 2/21/2024 3:09 pm : link
I find Williams obnoxious and I prefer Daniels as a prospect.

The agent thing I wouldn't sweat. His father owns a pretty reputable sports performance center, so he presumably has the resources for the combine/draft preparation lined up.

The slotting makes the rookie deal extremely turnkey from a commercial perspective. It's the type of agreement you need a commercial attorney, which will cost 10s of thousands of dollars, not 5% to get right.

If he's an asshole whose teammates hate him, there's only so much charm offensive an agent can pull.
RE: I'm not saying it's not a big  
christian : 2/21/2024 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16404533 pjcas18 said:
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deal, but aren't the rookie deals basically all slotted with the current CBA?

Do any rookies really hold out anymore?


The only variable in recent years that's caused friction is agreeing upon offset limits.
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