weird there hasn't been any kind of estimate by any news reports (at least that I read this morning)
Not specific to him, but it's one of those injuries they don't "think" is a big deal. But cautious beciuse of what it could lead to. Can't put a timeline on it because it could heal quickly and never be an issue. It could take two months and be an on again off again flair up, leads to a tweak mechanically, and then becomes a career changer.
José Quintana
Luis Severino
Sean Manaea
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill
if they all stayed healthy/pitched well it's feasible, but the odds of that are happening are as low as the odds were that they'd get through ST with all 5 initial starters healthy. that's why pitchers with reliable track records cost what they do in the first place.
they said they built the roster to be able to add 15-20m inseason, id be curious to see what happens now if Montgomery ends up in a range close to Bassitt last year ($21m aav) even if the deal was a couple years longer.
if nothing else they should add someone like Lauer.
were all very good down the stretch. Senga is a big loss when he is out there, but they have 9 guys who should hopefully be able to give you close to QS, with Senga, Quintana, Houser, Severino (assuming last year is an outlier), Manaea, Megill, Lucchesi, Butto and Peterson.
Peterson and Senga out to start the season, so down to 7. Key will be having 5 healthy and dealing at any one time throughout the season, and I think they'll be alright. They aren't the Mets we are used to starting pitching-wise, but they should have good hitting, a deep bullpen, and some improved defense. I think that will keep them more competitive than many expect.
Beyond Montgomery/Snell.....Paul Blackburn (trade), JP Sears (trade), Eric Lauer, Ross Stripling and his new "death ball"(trade), Lorenzen Greinke, Cueto some potential options
I feel like he prefers the low pressure cities. Would love to add him if he's open to coming here
He's openly said he agreed to be traded to the Yankees but the deal fell apart on the Yankees side (this was a few years back). He claims he even asked Cashman to trade for him.
TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
Exactly how I feel for this year. The Alonso decision being the big thing. I want him back but I'm also not screaming for him to return if he's looking for an unreasonable contact.
I'm actually excited to see all the prospects start to come up as the year goes on.
TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
how is this an outlier? someone has different expectations or wants to see the Vogelbachs get ABs? this is literally every Mets fan on here.
TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
how is this an outlier? someone has different expectations or wants to see the Vogelbachs get ABs? this is literally every Mets fan on here.
Mets twitter is losing their MINDS the Mets didn't sign big FA's this off-season. Mets twitter is LOSING their minds that Stearns has been so conservative. I'm absolutely an outlier okay with them not putting their pedal to the metal this off-season.
HCF🧣
@McDuffie2Heaven
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7m
When are we starting the “Steve Cohen hired David Stearns just so he can have an excuse to become another cheap owner” agendas?
Eric Preston
@P_Townnn
Can someone tell this fucking guy that this isn’t the brewers anymore and his owner is Steve cohen…. I have understood and been patient with what they’re doing but now this is getting annoying
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Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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1h
Frankie V Sports
@SportsWhisper86
What’s the difference between 325 and 400??? I was told Steve Cohen has endless money
Steve Sloane
@stevesloane23
How about Larry, Moe and Curly? Can't be any worse. What a joke. Does Steve Cohen own the team or did the Wilpons come back in the middle of the night?
I could go on. This is roughly 50-75% of the Mets tweets I see
HCF🧣
@McDuffie2Heaven
·
7m
When are we starting the “Steve Cohen hired David Stearns just so he can have an excuse to become another cheap owner” agendas?
Eric Preston
@P_Townnn
Can someone tell this fucking guy that this isn’t the brewers anymore and his owner is Steve cohen…. I have understood and been patient with what they’re doing but now this is getting annoying
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Tim Healey
@timbhealey
·
1h
Frankie V Sports
@SportsWhisper86
What’s the difference between 325 and 400??? I was told Steve Cohen has endless money
Steve Sloane
@stevesloane23
How about Larry, Moe and Curly? Can't be any worse. What a joke. Does Steve Cohen own the team or did the Wilpons come back in the middle of the night?
I could go on. This is roughly 50-75% of the Mets tweets I see
Whenever I think I should get a twitter account I see stuff like this and become immediately grateful I don't have one.
TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
this is how I feel. I'm willing to trade a transition year for 10 years of sustainability under Stearns.
Especially when the Braves/Phillies are already so strong.
just gave all the unhinged opinions an echo chamber.
They actively ignore what Cohen said he wanted to do to help the team become a perennial contender and just point to "he's not spending a billion dollars"
mostly awful but also great for finding news and interesting content creators.
I wait for you to post them!
It really is sifting through a ton of absolute shit to find gems. I can't deny that. I stopped responding to morons, just a waste of my time but then you "find" some interesting stuff on there as well.
crazy to think that the radical/less educated fans who are on X/Twitter do have some some capability to manipulate franchise framework now.
Owners and GM's don't want to be publicly executed everyday so they lose patience and break from the plan.
and it upsets me because what I see on IG today are some very uninformed voices who just want their toy.
My hope is Cohen is able to ignore the noise. I think Stearns has that capability (just based on his personality and past work). Cohen is obviously a titan of his industry, but patience or thickness of his skin, we shall see (that's not even a criticism, just less clear).
crazy to think that the radical/less educated fans who are on X/Twitter do have some some capability to manipulate franchise framework now.
Owners and GM's don't want to be publicly executed everyday so they lose patience and break from the plan.
and it upsets me because what I see on IG today are some very uninformed voices who just want their toy.
My hope is Cohen is able to ignore the noise. I think Stearns has that capability (just based on his personality and past work). Cohen is obviously a titan of his industry, but patience or thickness of his skin, we shall see (that's not even a criticism, just less clear).
building a relationship with the media is key too. Britton, DiComo and Healy
non-mets question for all - how much better are LAD than last year?
last year they won 100 games.
fangraphs currently projects 93 wins.
vegas has their over/under at 103.5 wins.
they lost JDM (all star starter last year), Urias, plus Gonsolin and May TJS. traded Pepiot. Kershaw out half of the year (also an all star last year).
they added Ohtani, Teoscar, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Paxton. Buehler back from TJS at some point.
if the over under was 100 i think i'd lean towards the over because i think they are better, but they are also going to have a lot of expectations and probably some adjustment period for new guys. at 103.5 i think id take the under. padres went backwards but sfg, az, probably a little better.
then again 5 of the last 7 years they've played to a pace better than 103 wins. they seem to always make it work but their BP looks pretty meh.
is the best team in baseball. LAD will be very good but with more variables (Yamamoto/Glasnow). I think Bobby Miller has a chance to be a legitimate ace and they have a truck load of young pitching. I don't see LAD being the 2023 Mets. They are either going to be very good or ridiculous (if everything clicks).
Full disclosure, Greinke is my favorite non-Mets pitcher maybe ever. Both his on-field ability to completely change his game from hard thrower to absurd soft tosser and still succeed AND his ridiculous personality. Teammates absolutely rave about Greinke. The 2 (yes 2) Athletic oral histories of Greinke are probably my favorite articles they have ever put out.
quintana started game 1 nlds for cards vs philly
severino started game 3 alds for nyy vs cle, then game 2 alcs vs hou
manaea started game 4 nlcs for pads vs philly (got lit up)
severino threw 102 innings that year, quintana 165, manaea 158. so all 3 were quality starters for playoff teams, 2 of them logged solid workloads.
i think their gambles on that trifecta are reasonable, but without senga they need to go 3/3 with bounce backs which seems unlikely. I would sign for 2 out of 3 bouncebacks right now.
My conversations with season and partial season ticket agents is that they were holding out hope the Mets got off to a fast start and that some who opted out (like me) would opt back in.
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
expect it to take 6 weeks for Senga to go from throwing to pitching in games.
And no idea when he will be able to begin throwing, correct?
Correct. They refused to put a timeline on that. Cursory googling and comments from doctors looks like that's an anywhere from 4-8 week period of shut down down (depending on his he feels) + 6 weeks before appearing in games. So 10-14 weeks rough timeline.
My conversations with season and partial season ticket agents is that they were holding out hope the Mets got off to a fast start and that some who opted out (like me) would opt back in.
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball and Cohen just spent 200 million to dump Verlander/Scherzer and luxury tax payments ON TOP of that. How is that not the "big boy table"? The Mets have a 110% tax on every dollar spent. JD Martinez for another team 1 year 15 million would cost the Mets 34.6 million. A "huge" short term offer to Snell, let's say 35 million per...would cost the Mets 73.5 per. That's before even getting into draft penalities.
My conversations with season and partial season ticket agents is that they were holding out hope the Mets got off to a fast start and that some who opted out (like me) would opt back in.
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball and Cohen just spent 200 million to dump Verlander/Scherzer and luxury tax payments ON TOP of that. How is that not the "big boy table"? The Mets have a 110% tax on every dollar spent. JD Martinez for another team 1 year 15 million would cost the Mets 34.6 million. A "huge" short term offer to Snell, let's say 35 million per...would cost the Mets 73.5 per. That's before even getting into draft penalities.
You are spot on Dan regarding the numbers...I'm just saying the perception (you deal in reality, which we all appreciate!) is that the Mets "have done nothing" this off season. Paying for Max/JVL in 2024 isn't getting people to buy tickets.
Tickets sales are way down based on this perception...
often overlooked but the Mets have not done well in terms of ticket sales in quite a while. Even in the good seasons it's been an overall disappointing #. Sure, there are factors involved, namely the location of the ballpark and... well NOTHING to do in the area but-
2015- 12th
2016-9th
2017-14th
2018-15th
2019-13th
2021-13th
2022 (won 101 games) 6th (1,000 per game more than the Rockies) and 7,000 less than NYY/St. Louis
2023 11th (and that conceivably had a 2022 bump with people excited for the season)
That's not to say I disagree with you, it's going to be a pretty ugly season attendance wise unless they really surprise but I also don't think Blake Snell or Matt Chapman or even trading for Corbin Burnes really changes that. They need to both build up the area and also build a team that fans believe in year to year.
the projection is 5x122m, 24m+ per year so a little ahead of Bassitt, 2 extra years (with him being 3 years younger).
that would cost them $50m this year counting taxes, so yes, totally understandable that maybe the $50m is better spent next year almost entirely on players even if they don't full reset.
but if they can get lets say a $10m discount since the market is obviously trending to the lower end of the projections (some of which were as low as 5x$105m), and then use some creative accounting with a 6th year to lower the AAV and taxes, all of a sudden things start making more sense.
6x120m with escalators and the 6th year being some kind of vesting year with a buyout would seem like something salvageable for both sides.
20m aav*110%=42m total year 1. not great but to get a quality starter under contract for half a decade, that seems reasonable.
if not at least sign a lauer or greinke or whoever and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the 2 months senga is rehabbing. or at least to have an option in case someone in the rotation is throwing batting practice every 5th day like carrasco last year (which severino was as a nyy, and megill has done as a nym from time to time).
but it will be an extremely easy team to watch either way.
Added some guys with HEART - those are ALWAYS easy to watch
The base is still mostly home grown with Alvarez, Pete, Mcneil, and Nimmo. With a few more blending in like Baty and Vientos and eventually some arms.
Kids on the farm that are close like Gilbert, Acuna and eventually Jett
An aging roster of recently signed mediocre players is always hard to watch. They have their share, but mostly easy to root for comeback type stories, not overpaid lazy hacks looking for a paycheck.
We've had too many seasons where they were out of it in May, refused to dump guys at the dealine, and the future still looked meh. I just don't see that this year.
1. we're over the luxury tax and as dan said 110% per $1
2. we would face forfeiting 10 rounds again in the draft
3. we have hopeful plans to bring back Alonso/sign SOto next year
4. we have 3 pitching prospects on the rise
5. the Braves and phillies are way ahead of Mets and the dodgers even farther in the NL.
2. we would face forfeiting 10 rounds again in the draft
You probably meant this, but: the penalty is not forfeiting rounds. It’s your top pick being moved back 10 places. I.E.: If you have the 15th pick, it’s moved back to the 25th pick.
Not specific to him, but it's one of those injuries they don't "think" is a big deal. But cautious beciuse of what it could lead to. Can't put a timeline on it because it could heal quickly and never be an issue. It could take two months and be an on again off again flair up, leads to a tweak mechanically, and then becomes a career changer.
José Quintana
Luis Severino
Sean Manaea
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill
Sucks but could be way worse.
José Quintana
Luis Severino
Sean Manaea
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill
if they all stayed healthy/pitched well it's feasible, but the odds of that are happening are as low as the odds were that they'd get through ST with all 5 initial starters healthy. that's why pitchers with reliable track records cost what they do in the first place.
they said they built the roster to be able to add 15-20m inseason, id be curious to see what happens now if Montgomery ends up in a range close to Bassitt last year ($21m aav) even if the deal was a couple years longer.
if nothing else they should add someone like Lauer.
Peterson and Senga out to start the season, so down to 7. Key will be having 5 healthy and dealing at any one time throughout the season, and I think they'll be alright. They aren't the Mets we are used to starting pitching-wise, but they should have good hitting, a deep bullpen, and some improved defense. I think that will keep them more competitive than many expect.
I feel like he prefers the low pressure cities. Would love to add him if he's open to coming here
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Greinke thanks. He's fun. That is all.
I feel like he prefers the low pressure cities. Would love to add him if he's open to coming here
He's openly said he agreed to be traded to the Yankees but the deal fell apart on the Yankees side (this was a few years back). He claims he even asked Cashman to trade for him.
Exactly how I feel for this year. The Alonso decision being the big thing. I want him back but I'm also not screaming for him to return if he's looking for an unreasonable contact.
I'm actually excited to see all the prospects start to come up as the year goes on.
how is this an outlier? someone has different expectations or wants to see the Vogelbachs get ABs? this is literally every Mets fan on here.
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TBH, I'm an outlier Mets fan. My expectations (even pre-Senga injury) were moderate (78-84 wins). My hope for 2024 is that Stearns backs up what he's been preaching in that the kids will play when they are ready and less Abraham Almonte/Rafael Ortega BS. I'm not "okay" with 3-4 years of this but if 2024 is a transition year, so be it.
how is this an outlier? someone has different expectations or wants to see the Vogelbachs get ABs? this is literally every Mets fan on here.
Mets twitter is losing their MINDS the Mets didn't sign big FA's this off-season. Mets twitter is LOSING their minds that Stearns has been so conservative. I'm absolutely an outlier okay with them not putting their pedal to the metal this off-season.
@McDuffie2Heaven
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7m
When are we starting the “Steve Cohen hired David Stearns just so he can have an excuse to become another cheap owner” agendas?
Eric Preston
@P_Townnn
Can someone tell this fucking guy that this isn’t the brewers anymore and his owner is Steve cohen…. I have understood and been patient with what they’re doing but now this is getting annoying
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Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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1h
Frankie V Sports
@SportsWhisper86
What’s the difference between 325 and 400??? I was told Steve Cohen has endless money
Steve Sloane
@stevesloane23
How about Larry, Moe and Curly? Can't be any worse. What a joke. Does Steve Cohen own the team or did the Wilpons come back in the middle of the night?
I could go on. This is roughly 50-75% of the Mets tweets I see
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Shut down for a month (minimum 2-3 weeks)
He (the doctor) would inject PRP or a stem cell line
Best case is June
@McDuffie2Heaven
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7m
When are we starting the “Steve Cohen hired David Stearns just so he can have an excuse to become another cheap owner” agendas?
Eric Preston
@P_Townnn
Can someone tell this fucking guy that this isn’t the brewers anymore and his owner is Steve cohen…. I have understood and been patient with what they’re doing but now this is getting annoying
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Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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1h
Frankie V Sports
@SportsWhisper86
What’s the difference between 325 and 400??? I was told Steve Cohen has endless money
Steve Sloane
@stevesloane23
How about Larry, Moe and Curly? Can't be any worse. What a joke. Does Steve Cohen own the team or did the Wilpons come back in the middle of the night?
I could go on. This is roughly 50-75% of the Mets tweets I see
Whenever I think I should get a twitter account I see stuff like this and become immediately grateful I don't have one.
this is how I feel. I'm willing to trade a transition year for 10 years of sustainability under Stearns.
Especially when the Braves/Phillies are already so strong.
They actively ignore what Cohen said he wanted to do to help the team become a perennial contender and just point to "he's not spending a billion dollars"
I wait for you to post them!
Owners and GM's don't want to be publicly executed everyday so they lose patience and break from the plan.
and it upsets me because what I see on IG today are some very uninformed voices who just want their toy.
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mostly awful but also great for finding news and interesting content creators.
I wait for you to post them!
It really is sifting through a ton of absolute shit to find gems. I can't deny that. I stopped responding to morons, just a waste of my time but then you "find" some interesting stuff on there as well.
Owners and GM's don't want to be publicly executed everyday so they lose patience and break from the plan.
and it upsets me because what I see on IG today are some very uninformed voices who just want their toy.
My hope is Cohen is able to ignore the noise. I think Stearns has that capability (just based on his personality and past work). Cohen is obviously a titan of his industry, but patience or thickness of his skin, we shall see (that's not even a criticism, just less clear).
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crazy to think that the radical/less educated fans who are on X/Twitter do have some some capability to manipulate franchise framework now.
Owners and GM's don't want to be publicly executed everyday so they lose patience and break from the plan.
and it upsets me because what I see on IG today are some very uninformed voices who just want their toy.
My hope is Cohen is able to ignore the noise. I think Stearns has that capability (just based on his personality and past work). Cohen is obviously a titan of his industry, but patience or thickness of his skin, we shall see (that's not even a criticism, just less clear).
building a relationship with the media is key too. Britton, DiComo and Healy
fangraphs currently projects 93 wins.
vegas has their over/under at 103.5 wins.
they lost JDM (all star starter last year), Urias, plus Gonsolin and May TJS. traded Pepiot. Kershaw out half of the year (also an all star last year).
they added Ohtani, Teoscar, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Paxton. Buehler back from TJS at some point.
if the over under was 100 i think i'd lean towards the over because i think they are better, but they are also going to have a lot of expectations and probably some adjustment period for new guys. at 103.5 i think id take the under. padres went backwards but sfg, az, probably a little better.
then again 5 of the last 7 years they've played to a pace better than 103 wins. they seem to always make it work but their BP looks pretty meh.
He’d be our new, skinny BARTOLO 😂
those people are insane - and I think they are the outliers.
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Greinke thanks. He's fun. That is all.
He’d be our new, skinny BARTOLO 😂
Full disclosure, Greinke is my favorite non-Mets pitcher maybe ever. Both his on-field ability to completely change his game from hard thrower to absurd soft tosser and still succeed AND his ridiculous personality. Teammates absolutely rave about Greinke. The 2 (yes 2) Athletic oral histories of Greinke are probably my favorite articles they have ever put out.
quintana started game 1 nlds for cards vs philly
severino started game 3 alds for nyy vs cle, then game 2 alcs vs hou
manaea started game 4 nlcs for pads vs philly (got lit up)
severino threw 102 innings that year, quintana 165, manaea 158. so all 3 were quality starters for playoff teams, 2 of them logged solid workloads.
i think their gambles on that trifecta are reasonable, but without senga they need to go 3/3 with bounce backs which seems unlikely. I would sign for 2 out of 3 bouncebacks right now.
-He and Drew Gilbert apparently are becoming pretty close. Doesn't mean a ton on the field but that's pretty cool.
those people are insane - and I think they are the outliers.
I think some of them could even be social media bots placed to stir conversation up.
And no idea when he will be able to begin throwing, correct?
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
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expect it to take 6 weeks for Senga to go from throwing to pitching in games.
And no idea when he will be able to begin throwing, correct?
Correct. They refused to put a timeline on that. Cursory googling and comments from doctors looks like that's an anywhere from 4-8 week period of shut down down (depending on his he feels) + 6 weeks before appearing in games. So 10-14 weeks rough timeline.
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball and Cohen just spent 200 million to dump Verlander/Scherzer and luxury tax payments ON TOP of that. How is that not the "big boy table"? The Mets have a 110% tax on every dollar spent. JD Martinez for another team 1 year 15 million would cost the Mets 34.6 million. A "huge" short term offer to Snell, let's say 35 million per...would cost the Mets 73.5 per. That's before even getting into draft penalities.
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My conversations with season and partial season ticket agents is that they were holding out hope the Mets got off to a fast start and that some who opted out (like me) would opt back in.
Sales have not been good this year, as many of us see the team trotting out a few good or very good players, a few prospects and then a bunch of "maybe we'll strike lightening" sorts like Bader/ Severino/Stewart/ Manaea.
This approach leaves a very thin margin for error, with the gloomy perspective including injuries, prospects getting off to a slow/very slow start, "lightning" not striking.
With injuries, bad performances by Baty/Vientos, no return on the one year guys, this season can spin out of control quickly and then you have an empty stadium early in the year, no $40 parking, no food/concession sales.
And then, how many save opportunities will a health Sugar actually have?
So, the Twitter/X voices are also working with perception...in other words, will signing a Snell/Montgomery/Martinez increase the hype/mojo/excitement about the season? Right now, there's none...at least in the sales front and this is a business too.
Yes, Twitter is filled with garbage, but the Mets had a PR/perception problem before Senga's injury.
Crying for Cohen to act like he's at the big boy table is not an outrageous request...But Stearns seems to have him convinced to wait till 25/26 to be relevant again.
The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball and Cohen just spent 200 million to dump Verlander/Scherzer and luxury tax payments ON TOP of that. How is that not the "big boy table"? The Mets have a 110% tax on every dollar spent. JD Martinez for another team 1 year 15 million would cost the Mets 34.6 million. A "huge" short term offer to Snell, let's say 35 million per...would cost the Mets 73.5 per. That's before even getting into draft penalities.
You are spot on Dan regarding the numbers...I'm just saying the perception (you deal in reality, which we all appreciate!) is that the Mets "have done nothing" this off season. Paying for Max/JVL in 2024 isn't getting people to buy tickets.
Tickets sales are way down based on this perception...
2015- 12th
2016-9th
2017-14th
2018-15th
2019-13th
2021-13th
2022 (won 101 games) 6th (1,000 per game more than the Rockies) and 7,000 less than NYY/St. Louis
2023 11th (and that conceivably had a 2022 bump with people excited for the season)
That's not to say I disagree with you, it's going to be a pretty ugly season attendance wise unless they really surprise but I also don't think Blake Snell or Matt Chapman or even trading for Corbin Burnes really changes that. They need to both build up the area and also build a team that fans believe in year to year.
that would cost them $50m this year counting taxes, so yes, totally understandable that maybe the $50m is better spent next year almost entirely on players even if they don't full reset.
but if they can get lets say a $10m discount since the market is obviously trending to the lower end of the projections (some of which were as low as 5x$105m), and then use some creative accounting with a 6th year to lower the AAV and taxes, all of a sudden things start making more sense.
6x120m with escalators and the 6th year being some kind of vesting year with a buyout would seem like something salvageable for both sides.
20m aav*110%=42m total year 1. not great but to get a quality starter under contract for half a decade, that seems reasonable.
if not at least sign a lauer or greinke or whoever and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the 2 months senga is rehabbing. or at least to have an option in case someone in the rotation is throwing batting practice every 5th day like carrasco last year (which severino was as a nyy, and megill has done as a nym from time to time).
Added some guys with HEART - those are ALWAYS easy to watch
The base is still mostly home grown with Alvarez, Pete, Mcneil, and Nimmo. With a few more blending in like Baty and Vientos and eventually some arms.
Kids on the farm that are close like Gilbert, Acuna and eventually Jett
An aging roster of recently signed mediocre players is always hard to watch. They have their share, but mostly easy to root for comeback type stories, not overpaid lazy hacks looking for a paycheck.
We've had too many seasons where they were out of it in May, refused to dump guys at the dealine, and the future still looked meh. I just don't see that this year.
1. we're over the luxury tax and as dan said 110% per $1
2. we would face forfeiting 10 rounds again in the draft
3. we have hopeful plans to bring back Alonso/sign SOto next year
4. we have 3 pitching prospects on the rise
5. the Braves and phillies are way ahead of Mets and the dodgers even farther in the NL.
its not the year.
2. we would face forfeiting 10 rounds again in the draft
You probably meant this, but: the penalty is not forfeiting rounds. It’s your top pick being moved back 10 places. I.E.: If you have the 15th pick, it’s moved back to the 25th pick.
Had anyone tried to take a 8 month-1 year old to citi? Am I setting myself up for utter failure?