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NFT: Welp- Senga shut down (elbow)

DanMetroMan : 2/21/2024 2:15 pm
Training staff checking him out, need for an MRI TBD per Mendoza.
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They  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2024 2:16 pm : link
are calling it "arm fatigue" pending the findings of the training staff (and maybe MRI).
The Curse continues.....The Mets can never have nice things it seems  
GiantBlue : 2/21/2024 2:22 pm : link
I feel like being a Giants and Mets fan is just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

SMH

I have Cohen has a plan if Senga is out for a long period of time or even the season.
Scott Boras  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2024 2:24 pm : link
staring at his phone right now.
RE: Scott Boras  
Optimus-NY : 2/21/2024 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16404431 bceagle05 said:
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staring at his phone right now.


lol
Could be nothing and he's back in a week  
Metnut : 2/21/2024 2:27 pm : link
and could be Tommy John and he's out until June 2025 best case. I love spring training.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2024 2:30 pm : link
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — Kodai Senga missed the Mets’ workout Wednesday because of what manager Carlos Mendoza described as “overall arm fatigue.”

Instead of playing catch and participating in fielding drills, Senga remained inside, getting checked out by the Mets’ athletic training staff.

Mendoza said he did not know if Senga would need an MRI.

“After his side session yesterday, he came in and experienced some arm fatigue,” Mendoza said. “So he stayed inside and we’re taking a look at him.”
RE: The Curse continues.....The Mets can never have nice things it seems  
Mike from SI : 2/21/2024 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16404424 GiantBlue said:
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I feel like being a Giants and Mets fan is just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

SMH

I have Cohen has a plan if Senga is out for a long period of time or even the season.


At least you got the Giants instead of the Jets. I've become one of those annoying people who roots for the Mets even though I'm truly a Yankees fan (someone close in my life with big ties to the Mets). Really hope this is just a blip for you guys.
1962 Original Met Fan Here  
BocaGene : 2/21/2024 2:40 pm : link
And so it begins...
They don’t just give an MRI  
Sammo85 : 2/21/2024 2:48 pm : link
for arm “fatigue. There’s reason to worry.
the Mets  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2024 3:01 pm : link
are probably a .500 team with Senga without him they will be brutal.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2024 3:02 pm : link
There is zero silver lining to a major injury to Kodai Senga. That being said, *if* he needs TJ or something of that nature, it means @mets would almost certainly have him under contract through 2028 (his 2025 opt out would be all but unreachable)
if it ends up the worst the only fortunate thing is snell/montgomery  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2024 3:10 pm : link
still available. and they would probably need to sign 1 of them not just for this year but for the future. if senga is out for 12-18 months they have 0 SP under contract next year.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16404521 DanMetroMan said:
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There is zero silver lining to a major injury to Kodai Senga. That being said, *if* he needs TJ or something of that nature, it means @mets would almost certainly have him under contract through 2028 (his 2025 opt out would be all but unreachable)


that is actually another possible silver lining. at the moment he has 2 years left as a met and this one seems unlikely to be a WS contending year even if they played to the "competitive" aspirations.

so missing 1.5 years sucks, but in a way buys them more future years when they are likely to be farther along.

and if they sign snell or montgomery they arent that different this year while improving for the next few beyond that.
"arm fatigue" in week 2  
Matt M. : 2/21/2024 3:12 pm : link
plus the MRI means there is something wrong.
such a good point Dan  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2024 3:17 pm : link
healthy Senga = free agent after 2 seasons (2025)
tjs Senga = 1.5 missed seasons but 3.5 seasons under contract at a discount rate from 2nd half 2025-2028 through age 35

So  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2024 3:19 pm : link
help me out, are we "rooting" for TJS?
I wished  
JayBinQueens : 2/21/2024 3:23 pm : link
someone on season ending IL wouldn't count against the payroll like in hockey
RE: So  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2024 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16404550 pjcas18 said:
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help me out, are we "rooting" for TJS?


no we are rooting for healthy because even if he opts out they can resign him and keep him as long as they want.

but if he ends up with TJS, they get 3 extra years of control.
We are  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2024 3:26 pm : link
rooting for him just needing a few days off and a non-issue.
Time will tell..  
dannysection 313 : 2/21/2024 7:13 pm : link
But the Met's track record in giving straight information about injuries, especially regarding pitchers, (in fairness, they aren't the only team) is pretty suspect.

Jake DeGrom, for instance....

Without Senga, ouch...ugly....
RE: We are  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16404558 DanMetroMan said:
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rooting for him just needing a few days off and a non-issue.


I was being facetious. It seemed like some people were kind of rooting for an long-term injury.
Not sure why we haven’t signed Montgomery yet  
Chris684 : 2/22/2024 9:13 am : link
Even more so after this news.

He is needed now and the addition of that type of middle of rotation arm, a horse of a lefty who eats up innings and appears to have his best still in front of him is the perfect add to this rotation now and for the future.
RE: Not sure why we haven’t signed Montgomery yet  
dannysection 313 : 2/22/2024 9:23 am : link
In comment 16405053 Chris684 said:
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Even more so after this news.

He is needed now and the addition of that type of middle of rotation arm, a horse of a lefty who eats up innings and appears to have his best still in front of him is the perfect add to this rotation now and for the future.


I wouldn't hold your breath on Montgomery...even if Senga misses substantial time.

David Stearns seems to have convinced Uncle Stevie that spending big $ on pitchers over the age of 30, is a bad/risky investment...Stearns basically said not to expect any bigs signings before the season...

Stearns giving an update on Senga at 10am  
Metnut : 2/22/2024 9:39 am : link
Seems a bit ominous but let’s hope for the best
RE: Not sure why we haven’t signed Montgomery yet  
Rory : 2/22/2024 9:54 am : link
In comment 16405053 Chris684 said:
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Even more so after this news.

He is needed now and the addition of that type of middle of rotation arm, a horse of a lefty who eats up innings and appears to have his best still in front of him is the perfect add to this rotation now and for the future.


He doesn’t want to play in NY.
Yuck  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:06 am : link
David Stearns said Kodai Senga has moderate strain in the back of his right shoulder.

He will be shut down until the symptoms subside. He will not be ready for Opening Day. He will start on the IL but it’s not known how long he will be out.
RE: RE: Not sure why we haven’t signed Montgomery yet  
dannysection 313 : 2/22/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16405115 Rory said:
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In comment 16405053 Chris684 said:


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Even more so after this news.

He is needed now and the addition of that type of middle of rotation arm, a horse of a lefty who eats up innings and appears to have his best still in front of him is the perfect add to this rotation now and for the future.



He doesn’t want to play in NY.


He's also looking for his last big contract so shooting for the moon.

FYI, Jordan Montgomery has won double digit games (10 games last year) once in his career...His stock (and asking price) went way up as the result of last season's post season run with Texas.

Really has been a mediocre starter otherwise...
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:08 am : link
David Stearns said Kodai Senga’s injury doesn’t increase the chance they add a starting pitcher.
Montgomery  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:10 am : link
Has been consistently good for the past 3 seasons and remarkably consistent . Hes far from a Texas short sample size construct unless 3 years is a small sample size
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:12 am : link
David Stearns said the Mets prefer that their yet-to-debut pitching prospects — Mike Vasil, Christian Scott, Dominic Hamel — pitch in the minors more.

So the rotation competition essentially is among: Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi, Jose Butto, Max Kranick.
Jordan  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:16 am : link
Montgomery last 3 seasons

2021- 3.83 era/3.69 FIP 3.2 fWAR
2022 3.48 era/3.61 FIP 2.7 fWAR
2023 3.20 era/3.56 FIP 4.3 fWAR

Montgomery pre-trade 2023

3.42 era/3.73 FIP

Pretty clearly there isn't a team in baseball that looks at Montgomery's time in Texas as who he is (2.79 era over 11 starts) because that would have led all of baseball. He's a very good/solid SP and a solid #2, great #3 on a contending team.

.  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:16 am : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
David Stearns said the Mets prefer that their yet-to-debut pitching prospects — Mike Vasil, Christian Scott, Dominic Hamel — pitch in the minors more.

So the rotation competition essentially is among: Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi, Jose Butto, Max Kranick.
RE: .  
Csonka : 2/22/2024 10:24 am : link
In comment 16405163 DanMetroMan said:
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Tim Healey
@timbhealey
David Stearns said the Mets prefer that their yet-to-debut pitching prospects — Mike Vasil, Christian Scott, Dominic Hamel — pitch in the minors more.

So the rotation competition essentially is among: Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi, Jose Butto, Max Kranick.


So we weren't lying to Scherzer that the focus is on 2025.
(I do like Lucchesi and Butto, though)
glad it's not the elbow  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2024 10:26 am : link
i dont think montgomery has ever said he doesnt want to play in ny. he seemed to be cool to the idea of a reunion with yankees because of how things went when he was traded, but he's still been linked to them a fair amount despite that. the red sox are currently the prohibitive favorite to sign him in betting markets.

senga missing some time should have been expected. he threw 166 innings last year. he had some stuff on his initial physical that led them to add the tjs protections. it sucks that it's going to be opening day, but this is why they should have added someone with a track record of 150+ reliable innings.

senga threw 166 last year
severino threw 89 last year
manaea thew 117
quintana threw 75
houser threw 111

not sure there's any other team in mlb who only rostered 1 pitcher in starting rotation who threw 120+ innings last year.
Montgomery  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:31 am : link
sounded like for the most part he enjoyed being a Yankee.

"The Yankees did treat Montgomery well, he said, and he believed he was going to be a Yankee for life.

“When you come up homegrown they take care of you, and not everyone can pitch in Yankee Stadium,” Montgomery said. “We traded for Sonny Gray and that didn’t work out well; we traded for Joey Gallo, that didn’t work out well. When you trade for someone and they pitch in New York, you never know how it’s gonna work out. I kind of felt safe and thought I was gonna be there forever, or at least for a few more years.”"
Shoulder is worse than Elbow  
BigBlue7 : 2/22/2024 10:31 am : link
No?
Tim  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:31 am : link
Anderson to Miami 1 year 5
RE: Shoulder is worse than Elbow  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16405180 BigBlue7 said:
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No?


not if it's just a strain that will heal non-surgically.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:37 am : link
"I do expect him to make a bunch of starts for us this year."

David Stearns talks about a potential timeline for Kodai Senga's return:

Surgery not expected
Caveat  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:39 am : link
being the person hasn't examined Senga, he told me with ramp up time included, probably won't see Senga until June best case.
RE: Montgomery  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2024 10:40 am : link
In comment 16405178 DanMetroMan said:
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sounded like for the most part he enjoyed being a Yankee.

"The Yankees did treat Montgomery well, he said, and he believed he was going to be a Yankee for life.

“When you come up homegrown they take care of you, and not everyone can pitch in Yankee Stadium,” Montgomery said. “We traded for Sonny Gray and that didn’t work out well; we traded for Joey Gallo, that didn’t work out well. When you trade for someone and they pitch in New York, you never know how it’s gonna work out. I kind of felt safe and thought I was gonna be there forever, or at least for a few more years.”"


this was the quote from Heyman after the yankees signed stroman, which could have just been covering tracks:

"Additionally, the Yankees came to believe they weren't at the top of coveted free agent Jordan Montgomery's wish list. True or not, the Yankees (and many others) assume Montgomery would prefer to return to Texas, where he helped the Rangers win their first World Series title."

with so many gms saying they are tapped out spending where all these guys (boras4) end up seems wide open.
RE: Caveat  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2024 10:44 am : link
In comment 16405193 DanMetroMan said:
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being the person hasn't examined Senga, he told me with ramp up time included, probably won't see Senga until June best case.


time to count backwards from 400 innings lol

400
- 166 last year
= 234

so 84 innings (half season) this year would leave 150 as the o/u for 2025.

from july to oct last year he pitched exactly...84.2 innings.
Montgomery is a nice middle of the rotation pitcher  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/22/2024 10:45 am : link
Only issue is he’s 31 years old and you have Boras trying to squeeze teams for 6-7 years at $25M per.
stearns exact quotes are better than the twitter shorthand  
Eric on Li : 2/22/2024 10:48 am : link
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"We don't expect Opening Day, but I do expect him to make a bunch of starts for us this year," Stearns explained. "This is not a surgical-type problem. This is something with rest and treatment -- potentially an injection -- that can move this forward."

While they have a decent amount of starting pitching depth, the loss of their de facto ace could possibly lead to the Mets jumping back into the free agent market -- though Stearns hinted that it's unlikely.

"I don't think so," he said. "We're always gonna be opportunistic and hear what's out there, but I don't think it really changes our thought process."


i dont expect stearns to cave on his approach but i think clearly all of mlb is waiting for the boras4 to change theirs. who knows what happens when they do.
Mets RHP Kodai Senga expected to miss Opening Day due to posterior capsule strain - ( New Window )
DSL players who could impress in 2024  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:48 am : link


Senga  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 10:52 am : link
will address the media at 11
so no idea on how long Senga will be out?  
KDavies : 2/22/2024 10:52 am : link
weird there hasn't been any kind of estimate by any news reports (at least that I read this morning)
RE: so no idea on how long Senga will be out?  
Shecky : 2/22/2024 11:01 am : link
In comment 16405213 KDavies said:
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weird there hasn't been any kind of estimate by any news reports (at least that I read this morning)


Not specific to him, but it's one of those injuries they don't "think" is a big deal. But cautious beciuse of what it could lead to. Can't put a timeline on it because it could heal quickly and never be an issue. It could take two months and be an on again off again flair up, leads to a tweak mechanically, and then becomes a career changer.
Your  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2024 11:08 am : link
likely OD rotation

José Quintana
Luis Severino
Sean Manaea
Adrian Houser
Tylor Megill
Will be rooting hard for Megill  
Rory : 2/22/2024 11:17 am : link
To continue from his 2023 2nd half.

Sucks but could be way worse.
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