I think Schoen was unprepared for the (illusion) of success. Which is disappointing, because he had a front row seat in Buffalo in 2017.
Beane wasn't fooled by the 9-7, playoff bid, Taylor-led season. Beane went right to work to upgrade the QB position.
There's no need to overcomplicate the outcome of the Vikings playoff game. Jones played well against a very bad defense. That was a poor reference point to judge Jones. I'm sure it didn't help when Schoen's boss declared they were back after.
Not to defend Schoen, but Beane was moving off a sixth round QB which was drafted by the Ravens. Schoen would have been moving off a first round (6th pick) QB drafted by the same team. A QB in which the owner made public statements about including right after the Vikings win labeling him "a franchise QB" - it was much less complicated for Beane to move off Taylor as it would be for Schoen to move off Jones.
It's not an excuse to Schoen, just because his situation was much more complicated with the ownership dynamic doesn't mean he couldn't have franchised Jones, or had the foresight to pick up Jones' option to buy time. I think you referred to it as a 2 year, $30M contract at the time.
I don't understand all of the focus on the Vikings game, from either side of the Jones fence. They were not a strong team, but it was still a good win. The Giants brass did not base their contract to Jones on just that one stupid playoff win. Our team is not a good team. It was not wrong to feel DJ elevated the play of a bad team on offense specifically along the OL, and landing them some good wins including in the playoffs. He did. Our OL and offense overall could not handle a front like Philly's, so LoS matchup comment is not off base. And then we started 2023 against teams that we matched up with terribly the prior year... that FG block and Andrew Thomas was lost for those first 6-7 games was gigantic. As was a very real and obvious lack of preparation in preseason. I know the popular thing is back to shitting all over DJ again, but he is what he is, a middle of the road NFL starter. Saying dumb shit like Taylor and/or Devito (or Stidham etc. lol) are somehow better than him is disingenuous at best.
It's not an excuse to Schoen, just because his situation was much more complicated with the ownership dynamic doesn't mean he couldn't have franchised Jones, or had the foresight to pick up Jones' option to buy time. I think you referred to it as a 2 year, $30M contract at the time.
I agree, much more complex because of ownership. But in reality, 2017 Taylor had accomplished more as a Bill than Jones had as a Giant.
It was such a confounding choice to not pick up the option. If Schoen didn't believe in what he saw on tape, he should have cut him. And if he did believe in it, he should have picked up the option.
Do you think Trubisky is worth paying $82M guaranteed?
I don't understand all of the focus on the Vikings game, from either side of the Jones fence. They were not a strong team, but it was still a good win. The Giants brass did not base their contract to Jones on just that one stupid playoff win. Our team is not a good team. It was not wrong to feel DJ elevated the play of a bad team on offense specifically along the OL, and landing them some good wins including in the playoffs. He did. Our OL and offense overall could not handle a front like Philly's, so LoS matchup comment is not off base. And then we started 2023 against teams that we matched up with terribly the prior year... that FG block and Andrew Thomas was lost for those first 6-7 games was gigantic. As was a very real and obvious lack of preparation in preseason. I know the popular thing is back to shitting all over DJ again, but he is what he is, a middle of the road NFL starter. Saying dumb shit like Taylor and/or Devito (or Stidham etc. lol) are somehow better than him is disingenuous at best.
I agree, but I also don't get why we act like these are the only two seasons Jones has had.
I think from year 2 on, Jones has consistently been unable to produce in the passing game (yards or touchdowns) who has a few elite games a season. Reasons can vary (Jones himself, surroundings, etc.), but I never saw someone with a particularly high ceiling.
Daboll did a great job designing run plays for him last season and Jones did a superb job executing them. But I didn't view last season to be as gargantuan a step as some made it out to be.
I know the popular thing is back to shitting all over DJ again, but he is what he is, a middle of the road NFL starter.
I'm not even interested in shitting on Jones. It's not his fault he was drafted #6 and it's not his fault that the Giants gave him that absurd contract.
I have literally nothing against Daniel Jones, except that he's going to cost nearly 20% of the cap in 2024 to play QB for the NY Giants. That's on Mara, Schoen, and Daboll.
I will absolutely shit on that trio, in that order.
sad to see another thread about sort of football gets taken over by the usual suspects - christian, Terps, bw, Mike, rsj et al(and I apologize to those I left out) - tirelessly repeating the same strawman arguments, quoting the same tired cherry-picked stats, misquoting anyone and anything that challenges their narrative etc etc.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
Darnold is one of my FA targets this year for the Giants
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
RE: RE: Do you think Trubisky is worth paying $82M guaranteed?
You should have seen Joey on BBI in his youth. You couldn't tame him.
I was a miserable dickhead in my teens and twenties and again in my 30s and 40s when going through that shit with my ex wife. I still get peeved at times, but my wife and kids have totally changed me. Therapy also helps, I am DETERMINED to be the best person I can, and I never stop trying. God I was a dick, it's embarassing.
The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
If we can't complain about Daniel Jones sucking, what are we going to talk about?
RE: Darnold is one of my FA targets this year for the Giants
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
I agree completely. I don't see Shanahan letting him leave though.
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
I agree completely. I don't see Shanahan letting him leave though.
sad to see another thread about sort of football gets taken over by the usual suspects - christian, Terps, bw, Mike, rsj et al(and I apologize to those I left out) - tirelessly repeating the same strawman arguments, quoting the same tired cherry-picked stats, misquoting anyone and anything that challenges their narrative etc etc.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024.
If you are suggesting that Jones will be the starter for NYG in 2024, and likely beyond, I couldn't agree more.
And let me be the first to thank you for having narrative-less posts.
sad to see another thread about sort of football gets taken over by the usual suspects - christian, Terps, bw, Mike, rsj et al(and I apologize to those I left out) - tirelessly repeating the same strawman arguments, quoting the same tired cherry-picked stats, misquoting anyone and anything that challenges their narrative etc etc.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
You should have seen Joey on BBI in his youth. You couldn't tame him.
I was a miserable dickhead in my teens and twenties and again in my 30s and 40s when going through that shit with my ex wife. I still get peeved at times, but my wife and kids have totally changed me. Therapy also helps, I am DETERMINED to be the best person I can, and I never stop trying. God I was a dick, it's embarassing.
You're alright in my book (not that it matters), even if you did rag on Jay Bromley's calves.
sad to see another thread about sort of football gets taken over by the usual suspects - christian, Terps, bw, Mike, rsj et al(and I apologize to those I left out) - tirelessly repeating the same strawman arguments, quoting the same tired cherry-picked stats, misquoting anyone and anything that challenges their narrative etc etc.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
We lost? 2024 is Jones’ last year on the roster. I’d say we won
sad to see another thread about sort of football gets taken over by the usual suspects - christian, Terps, bw, Mike, rsj et al(and I apologize to those I left out) - tirelessly repeating the same strawman arguments, quoting the same tired cherry-picked stats, misquoting anyone and anything that challenges their narrative etc etc.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
Jones played well enough in 2022 to be the starting quarterback. In 2023 has one of the best possible excuses: his offensive line increased its sacks allowed from a dreadful 49 in 2022 to an impossibly awful 85 in 2023. Even Mahomes under pressure threw one awful interception and almost another. Also played without Barkley.
Average of 5 sack/game in six DJ games. Average of 5 sacks/game in the other 11 games.
Using 3 or 4 prime pick to pick a quarterback when there is no consensus on which is the best is a big gamble. Lose and you set the team back two or three years. Draft OL and Edge with high picks. A good O-Line makes all the skill players look better.
Start Jones on a short leash. Have another young quarterback ready to audition if Jones fails. A draft pick they don’t have to trade up for or a young quarterback who was drafted high and failed with his first team.
No GM is polling his peers for a consensus. And the consensus (or lack thereof) you see on Twitter is just a bunch of media and fans deciding to agree or not.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
Should say "The obsession about 'consensus' is strange
No GM is polling his peers for a consensus. And the consensus (or lack thereof) you see on Twitter is just a bunch of media and fans deciding to agree or not.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
No GM is polling his peers for a consensus. And the consensus (or lack thereof) you see on Twitter is just a bunch of media and fans deciding to agree or not.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
Come on dude. Get outta here with that shit.
Do you have a better explanation for the common fallback argument of "there's no consensus player at that position for where we're drafting!" whenever someone simply doesn't want the team to draft a player at that position?
There's never a consensus among GMs because that's not a polling sample that actually exists.
I assumed he means consensus or more accurately "conviction" among the Giants brass. Maybe I'm wrong. But that goes back to being against making a pick, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
I assumed he means consensus or more accurately "conviction" among the Giants brass. Maybe I'm wrong. But that goes back to being against making a pick, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
Ugh. These pop up ads keep pulling me out of the text box when I'm typing. I can never finish a sentence without clicking back in. Super annoying.
That should say "But that goes back to being against making a pick JUST TO MAKE A PICK, which I agree with.
I assumed he means consensus or more accurately "conviction" among the Giants brass. Maybe I'm wrong. But that goes back to being against making a pick, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
I have a hard time accepting that explanation because you'd never hear about individual views on specific players, you'd only hear about generalized "team" views on those players, at least until after the draft.
I honestly believe that some fans just think that if Street & Smith's has a different positional ranking than Mel Kiper, and both of them have a different ranking than Todd McShay, and all three of them are different from NFL.com, that means that none of those prospects are worth drafting at all.
Or maybe they just think that anyone else will buy that as an excuse when they really just don't want to see their favorite player potentially get replaced.
I assumed he means consensus or more accurately "conviction" among the Giants brass. Maybe I'm wrong. But that goes back to being against making a pick, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
I have a hard time accepting that explanation because you'd never hear about individual views on specific players, you'd only hear about generalized "team" views on those players, at least until after the draft.
I honestly believe that some fans just think that if Street & Smith's has a different positional ranking than Mel Kiper, and both of them have a different ranking than Todd McShay, and all three of them are different from NFL.com, that means that none of those prospects are worth drafting at all.
Or maybe they just think that anyone else will buy that as an excuse when they really just don't want to see their favorite player potentially get replaced.
Maybe? I can only speak for myself. I know you guys consider me a fanboi, lol... I want DJ to succeed if he's the Guy they stay with, but at the end of the day I just want the Giants to win. If they REALLY like one of these QBs, I want them to go get him. I'll root for whoever starts behind center to succeed.
I think Schoen was unprepared for the (illusion) of success. Which is disappointing, because he had a front row seat in Buffalo in 2017.
Beane wasn't fooled by the 9-7, playoff bid, Taylor-led season. Beane went right to work to upgrade the QB position.
There's no need to overcomplicate the outcome of the Vikings playoff game. Jones played well against a very bad defense. That was a poor reference point to judge Jones. I'm sure it didn't help when Schoen's boss declared they were back after.
Not to defend Schoen, but Beane was moving off a sixth round QB which was drafted by the Ravens. Schoen would have been moving off a first round (6th pick) QB drafted by the same team. A QB in which the owner made public statements about including right after the Vikings win labeling him "a franchise QB" - it was much less complicated for Beane to move off Taylor as it would be for Schoen to move off Jones.
It's not an excuse to Schoen, just because his situation was much more complicated with the ownership dynamic doesn't mean he couldn't have franchised Jones, or had the foresight to pick up Jones' option to buy time. I think you referred to it as a 2 year, $30M contract at the time.
I agree, much more complex because of ownership. But in reality, 2017 Taylor had accomplished more as a Bill than Jones had as a Giant.
It was such a confounding choice to not pick up the option. If Schoen didn't believe in what he saw on tape, he should have cut him. And if he did believe in it, he should have picked up the option.
I agree, but I also don't get why we act like these are the only two seasons Jones has had.
I think from year 2 on, Jones has consistently been unable to produce in the passing game (yards or touchdowns) who has a few elite games a season. Reasons can vary (Jones himself, surroundings, etc.), but I never saw someone with a particularly high ceiling.
Daboll did a great job designing run plays for him last season and Jones did a superb job executing them. But I didn't view last season to be as gargantuan a step as some made it out to be.
I'm not even interested in shitting on Jones. It's not his fault he was drafted #6 and it's not his fault that the Giants gave him that absurd contract.
I have literally nothing against Daniel Jones, except that he's going to cost nearly 20% of the cap in 2024 to play QB for the NY Giants. That's on Mara, Schoen, and Daboll.
I will absolutely shit on that trio, in that order.
Does it beat the Kyle Long photo I once used in BBI Mock Draft?
Obviously your comp is missing a key variable:
One of the biggest wins in franchise history.
Jones has the Minnesota win. Which we know per the DJFC, was only slightly below one of the Super Bowl wins.
Does it beat the Kyle Long photo I once used in BBI Mock Draft?
It's pretty close.
I'll see your Kyle Long, with this classic of the Mannings after a Jones pick 6.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
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The NFL doesn't, and he's about to be on his fourth team.
Obviously your comp is missing a key variable:
One of the biggest wins in franchise history.
Jones has the Minnesota win. Which we know per the DJFC, was only slightly below one of the Super Bowl wins.
Not so sure it is slightly below for some.
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Joey's post in the first link is pure Gold... lol
You should have seen Joey on BBI in his youth. You couldn't tame him.
If we can't complain about Daniel Jones sucking, what are we going to talk about?
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
I agree completely. I don't see Shanahan letting him leave though.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost.
Everyone lost. You just don't know it yet.
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I'm not kidding.
Since his time with the Jets ended, he's 8-9 as a starter. Since his rookie year, he's 25-29.
For backup money, a guy that does have some really good games on his ledger, can compete with Jones, can reasonably serve as a bridge QB to a rookie, and is a guy I'd like to see get a chance to work with Daboll for a late-bloom gamble...it's an intriguing possibility for me.
Probably won't happen but I'd love to see it. I get the perception of him, but he's not as bad as most people think, and we're talking about backup QB money here. I think it would be prudent, in particular because it would allow the Giants to start the season with DJ on short-term IR. Taylor is gone after this year, I don't think with DJ's injury issues you want to start the year with DJ, rookie QB, and DeVito.
I agree completely. I don't see Shanahan letting him leave though.
I actually don't hate this idea... lol.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024.
If you are suggesting that Jones will be the starter for NYG in 2024, and likely beyond, I couldn't agree more.
And let me be the first to thank you for having narrative-less posts.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
You done that.
Wipe the drool off your face, Snablats.
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Joey's post in the first link is pure Gold... lol
You should have seen Joey on BBI in his youth. You couldn't tame him.
I was a miserable dickhead in my teens and twenties and again in my 30s and 40s when going through that shit with my ex wife. I still get peeved at times, but my wife and kids have totally changed me. Therapy also helps, I am DETERMINED to be the best person I can, and I never stop trying. God I was a dick, it's embarassing.
You're alright in my book (not that it matters), even if you did rag on Jay Bromley's calves.
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
We lost? 2024 is Jones’ last year on the roster. I’d say we won
Its really kind of pathetic. Get over it guys. You lost. You are losers. The Giants have decided what they are doing at QB for 2024. Its a free country and you can state your opinion. You done that (endlessly) But for god's sake move on. The decision has been made and you sound like a bunch of drunks in a bar on a Saturday night bitching about women cause you don't have a date. Losers!!
Snorkels opening up a new thread...
You're gonna lose half the traffic to this site now!
Average of 5 sack/game in six DJ games. Average of 5 sacks/game in the other 11 games.
Using 3 or 4 prime pick to pick a quarterback when there is no consensus on which is the best is a big gamble. Lose and you set the team back two or three years. Draft OL and Edge with high picks. A good O-Line makes all the skill players look better.
Start Jones on a short leash. Have another young quarterback ready to audition if Jones fails. A draft pick they don’t have to trade up for or a young quarterback who was drafted high and failed with his first team.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
Come on dude. Get outta here with that shit.
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No GM is polling his peers for a consensus. And the consensus (or lack thereof) you see on Twitter is just a bunch of media and fans deciding to agree or not.
There was no OT consensus in 2020. Should we have sat that one out?
DJ enthusiasts are a wild bunch. Not much for logical arguments, but hellbent on passion and loyalty.
Come on dude. Get outta here with that shit.
Do you have a better explanation for the common fallback argument of "there's no consensus player at that position for where we're drafting!" whenever someone simply doesn't want the team to draft a player at that position?
There's never a consensus among GMs because that's not a polling sample that actually exists.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
Ugh. These pop up ads keep pulling me out of the text box when I'm typing. I can never finish a sentence without clicking back in. Super annoying.
That should say "But that goes back to being against making a pick JUST TO MAKE A PICK, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
I have a hard time accepting that explanation because you'd never hear about individual views on specific players, you'd only hear about generalized "team" views on those players, at least until after the draft.
I honestly believe that some fans just think that if Street & Smith's has a different positional ranking than Mel Kiper, and both of them have a different ranking than Todd McShay, and all three of them are different from NFL.com, that means that none of those prospects are worth drafting at all.
Or maybe they just think that anyone else will buy that as an excuse when they really just don't want to see their favorite player potentially get replaced.
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I assumed he means consensus or more accurately "conviction" among the Giants brass. Maybe I'm wrong. But that goes back to being against making a pick, which I agree with.
If the Giants have conviction on a guy, go get him. But if not...
I have a hard time accepting that explanation because you'd never hear about individual views on specific players, you'd only hear about generalized "team" views on those players, at least until after the draft.
I honestly believe that some fans just think that if Street & Smith's has a different positional ranking than Mel Kiper, and both of them have a different ranking than Todd McShay, and all three of them are different from NFL.com, that means that none of those prospects are worth drafting at all.
Or maybe they just think that anyone else will buy that as an excuse when they really just don't want to see their favorite player potentially get replaced.
Maybe? I can only speak for myself. I know you guys consider me a fanboi, lol... I want DJ to succeed if he's the Guy they stay with, but at the end of the day I just want the Giants to win. If they REALLY like one of these QBs, I want them to go get him. I'll root for whoever starts behind center to succeed.
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