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"They will negotiate with McKinney’s representatives and if a deal cannot get done — there is no reason to believe an agreement will be reached — they have until March 5 to apply the lesser-used transition tag on him. That is a possibility, the Post has learned.
It would cost the Giants $13.9 million, a nice savings from the franchise tag. The transition tag allows the player to negotiate with any other team and come up with a deal, with the Giants having the ability to match that offer sheet and retain the player.
In effect, if the Giants put the transition tag on McKinney — their 2020 second-round pick — another team will determine what the market is willing to pay him and the Giants can then decide if that contract fits with their valuation of the player. If the Giants do not match the offer, McKinney is gone and the Giants do not receive any compensation in return."
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Leave it to the Giants to possibly use some type of tag in back-to-back years on the two most fungible positions in the NFL.
But I do think it's a smart, under-used tool. And it would have been very useful last year for the Jones situation. I will go to my grave believing Jones would not have received an offer >$25M AAV from the open market.
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Leave it to the Giants to possibly use some type of tag in back-to-back years on the two most fungible positions in the NFL.
But I do think it's a smart, under-used tool. And it would have been very useful last year for the Jones situation. I will go to my grave believing Jones would not have received an offer >$25M AAV from the open market.
Since when is a playmaking safety who can cover and support the run a fungible position? Wtf did I miss??? Oh and he calls all the plays.
Passing league. Good safeties are important.
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is going to love it!
Leave it to the Giants to possibly use some type of tag in back-to-back years on the two most fungible positions in the NFL.
But I do think it's a smart, under-used tool. And it would have been very useful last year for the Jones situation. I will go to my grave believing Jones would not have received an offer >$25M AAV from the open market.
Since when is a playmaking safety who can cover and support the run a fungible position? Wtf did I miss??? Oh and he calls all the plays.
Passing league. Good safeties are important.
+1
or did they present evidence the Giants are considering it?
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Since when is a playmaking safety who can cover and support the run a fungible position? Wtf did I miss??? Oh and he calls all the plays.
Passing league. Good safeties are important.
+1
I'm with you. good, versitile safties are a tremendous asset.
the group think has run amok.
It's frankly their job to know what the market is for their players, especially a high-value FA like McKinney. And as someone said, using the TT means he doesn't go into the comp formula.
I'd try and resign him, but think someone will offer him a lot more than what the Giants are willing to or should pay.
Since when is a playmaking safety who can cover and support the run a fungible position? Wtf did I miss??? Oh and he calls all the plays.
Passing league. Good safeties are important.
Safety is the cheapest position on defense in the NFL per the projected FT $s. Like RB is the cheapest position on offense.
This isn't new information.
So, the average of the five top safeties is $16M+. Do you really think that's a wise use of cap dollars at this point? Unless we have a safety that conjures images of Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott, there is no need to overspend.
And this looks like a good free agent market with safeties. So, if we lose X to another team willing to overpay, there are other solutions...
Safeties...LOL.
I don't know what the cost will be and I'm sure there is a number where we may have to bow out but I hope the Giants make a serious effort to retain him and I believe they will.
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is going to love it!
Leave it to the Giants to possibly use some type of tag in back-to-back years on the two most fungible positions in the NFL.
But I do think it's a smart, under-used tool. And it would have been very useful last year for the Jones situation. I will go to my grave believing Jones would not have received an offer >$25M AAV from the open market.
Since when is a playmaking safety who can cover and support the run a fungible position? Wtf did I miss??? Oh and he calls all the plays.
Passing league. Good safeties are important.
Yeah. While safeties are one of the more "fungible" positions, there's a gulf of difference between safety and RB because safeties aren't used up at the end of their contract.
So the correct position is to pay him as long as he doesn't break the bank. That being said, some team out there will probably offer him the stupid money.
So did I in an offseason plan.
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is going to love it!
Leave it to the Giants to possibly use some type of tag in back-to-back years on the two most fungible positions in the NFL.
But I do think it's a smart, under-used tool. And it would have been very useful last year for the Jones situation. I will go to my grave believing Jones would not have received an offer >$25M AAV from the open market.
John Mara is not the only NFL owner that thinks the best qualities of an NFL QB are a strong jawline and firm handshake.
Here, I think it is a good fit.
Why? You have a young player who was in quick ascent to the top of the league at his position. Then he had a serious injury, and came back very good, but not quite the same....
Let's see what the rest of the league thinks and then make a decision.
I do like the idea of keeping our guys. I think X is a very good player but not a great one. He’s young and still on the rise. The transition tag is not looked upon well by the players so I think a lot of GMs try to avoid that look. You are in essence letting another team negotiate for you. Having players on the tag sucks up too much cap space. You can’t manipulate the money and it would lock us up in FA like the Barkley deal did but we could still lose the player and miss out on others. Hard pass on the TT.
+1. I actually think both tags are kind of unnecessary and antagonistic toward the player.
..I think if they sign him for even 15 per it wouldn't be something that they would regret 3 or 4 years down the line (if it was indeed say a 4 year deal)
The FT # will be up by then as well as the cap #.
Good player leaves in free agency. Giants remain bad as they try to replace departed player, and still lack cap space.
Bored with this cycle.
As for Barkley, tagging him at 12+M for 1 year makes little sense in both the long and short term. Either do a handshake deal and let him walk with the option to match whatever he can get on the open market or TT him. That ensures either a long term deal that is palatable to both parties or the Giants are at least in play for a supplemental pick if he does go elsewhere.
I get it, but I think X is going to get his money. I think it will be more than what the Giants are willing to pay. Just my opinion, gut feeling...and that and almost 10 bucks will get you a cup of joe at Starbucks
Teams don’t like wasting their time, if they sign him to an offer sheet they will do it creatively knowing their cap situation and have a good idea of what the Giants cap is so that the offer sheet is really a poison pill for the Giants and that is why it is not used that often.
As for Barkley, tagging him at 12+M for 1 year makes little sense in both the long and short term. Either do a handshake deal and let him walk with the option to match whatever he can get on the open market or TT him. That ensures either a long term deal that is palatable to both parties or the Giants are at least in play for a supplemental pick if he does go elsewhere.
After what the Giants did for him when he injured himself why shouldn’t he take less? They could have curtailed his salary but they didn’t and even though we made the playoffs he was out for some key games. Why is it ALWAYS about the welfare of the player? IMHO he should be grateful to the Giants and show it during negotiations
The Giants are year late discussing using the TT. If only.