Mike Tannenbaum's Proposed Giants-Bears Trade

to pick CW.

As to why no one has hired this clown in recent years.

Remove Kayvon and it's viable for the Giants.

The Bears are taking Caleb Williams though and trading Fields. And rightfully so. I'd be absolutely shocked if they don't at this point.

Like Osi was for Eli.

That said, the rest of the trade looks about right for what it's gonna take.

But I’m not as high on Caleb Williams as many are.

Aside from needing a QB, the rest of this roster is not good enough to be sitting out the premium round of the draft the next 2 years.

I like Daniels, Maye or McCarthy much better without a trade.

I’d also rather dip into this first round WR talent and take a 2nd or late 1st round shot on Nix or Penix.

In comment 16405063 JonC said:

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to pick CW.

They can have Williams. I heard he doesn't even have an agent!

he would have made this trade. The picks involved aren’t that bad, but KT too? GTFO.

And I agree with JonC, it’s all moot, Bears are taking a QB.

is a No.

With that being said, I would trade 3 1st round picks + 2nd and 4th. If they feel that confident with CW or whomever, make the trade. Franchise QB changes everything.

But like JonC said I strongly believe Chicago, Wash and NE take QB. So all this is a fun conversation on Thursday. Schoen can be working his ass off behind the scenes to make a trade, but it takes two to tango.

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sh*t right there.

Chicago is taking Caleb. This is all to fill air time with debates and the like.

and why do people keep regurgitating his nonsense?? JFC what a waste of time.

In comment 16405088 Victor in CT said:

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and why do people keep regurgitating his nonsense?? JFC what a waste of time.

Yep. Wasting time. What else is there to do during this dead period? It's a laughable proposition, so I posted it. Would you rather discuss how to best draw and quarter DJ for the 100th time? ;>)

It's just another thing to discuss, is all.

Williams is the best QB prospect in a long time. Bears need a QB and aren’t going to trade him for future picks IMO.

Thibodeaux?

LOL

GTFO

Is beyond me. He was one of the worst GM's in football nearly as bad as Matt Millen and Dave Gettleman.

a 1st and 2nd this year and Thibodeaux then it is more realistic but also adding a 1st and 2nd next year is nuts.

In comment 16405097 Metnut said:

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Williams is the best QB prospect in a long time. Bears need a QB and aren’t going to trade him for future picks IMO.

Are we sure Williams will even be the first QB taken?

wouldn't do that deal even if KT was not included. But as someone else said, I am not as high on CW as many other people are. The irony is that still might not be enough for the Bears. Somebody yesterday said that they want at least three first round picks. I also agree with those saying that the Bears will take CW and trade Fields. CW is a better prospect than Fields and they can reset the five year window for their QB.

In comment 16405068 David B. said:

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Like Osi was for Eli. That said, the rest of the trade looks about right for what it's gonna take.

Agreed

Because we could do that deal--minus KT--and both parties would be satisfied. The Giants would have their franchise QB in Drake Maye and the Cards would get one of the big three WRs: MHjr, Nabers, or Odunze.

In comment 16405099 Jay on the Island said:

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Is beyond me. He was one of the worst GM's in football nearly as bad as Matt Millen and Dave Gettleman.

He's made quite a career for himself though, hasn't he?

In comment 16405074 BeckShepEli said:

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is a No. With that being said, I would trade 3 1st round picks + 2nd and 4th. If they feel that confident with CW or whomever, make the trade. Franchise QB changes everything. But like JonC said I strongly believe Chicago, Wash and NE take QB. So all this is a fun conversation on Thursday. Schoen can be working his ass off behind the scenes to make a trade, but it takes two to tango.

3 1sts, a 2nd and a 4th? That's why you aren't a GM.

In this deal, the inclusion of KT not only is a deal breaker, but it makes the deal unrealistic to me.

In comment 16405063 JonC said:

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to pick CW.

Yea seems fields has his eyes set on the falcons. JonC, would you consider trading for fields or not on the table in your mind?

The move will be a success. If the QB busts, it would get everyone fired.

But make no mistake, if the Giants made that deal and got a Josh Allen type talent, no one complain about the cost.

To move from No. 9 to No. 1, the Panthers gave:

DJ Moore
No. 9
No. 61
2024 first-round selection
2025 second-round pick

I think the cost for the Giants would be closer to

Darius Slayton
No. 6
No. 39
No. 47
2025 first-round selection

In comment 16405063 JonC said:

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to pick CW.

same and I expect him to have the same start to his career as Fields.

In comment 16405072 Section331 said:

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he would have made this trade. The picks involved aren’t that bad, but KT too? GTFO. And I agree with JonC, it’s all moot, Bears are taking a QB.

Even just the picks is too much.

In 2016 the Rams traded:
2016 1st (no. 15 overall), two seconds, and a third: plus:
2017: 1st, 3rd round picks

to the Titans for:
2016: No. 1 overall, and 4th and 6th round picks.

In other word, using Tannenbaum's offer, without Thibodeaux, just using the picks, the difference from moving from No. 6 to 1 versus 15 to 1 is:
Two thirds while getting back a 4th and a 6th.

Would any of you trade down from 6 to 15 for 2 thirds while giving up a 4th and a 6th.

Using the trade chart, this year's 1st, Giant's 2nd and 3rd and next year's first get you to more than 3100. The value of No. 1 overall is 3,000. Now, we know you'll probably have to sweeten that a little, so in a 3rd or 4th next year. Two 1sts and two 2nds (especially the higher one this year) is too much. AND he wants to add Thibodeaux.

I don't think he's as good as we want to claim he is.

It would be a departure from the half measures, and indicate that we have an actual direction.

He also proposed Giants trade for DeShaun Watson, with the qualifier, "off-field issues aside."

The Bears would be idiots to not accept this offer and the Giants would be idiots to make the offer.

I still believe Team Caleb will eventually throw the Eli monkey wrench into this draft and tell the Bears they don't want to go there. And then things are really going to get interesting...

Tannenbaum just said the best place for Russell Wilson was the Jets to back up Aaron Rodgers.

I'm thinking I would pay to listen to a podcast called Insane GMs - starring Tannenbaum and Gettleman.

When a team continuously rarely ever drafts high pickplayers they think aren’t worthy of second contracts.

In comment 16405232 bw in dc said:

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The Bears would be idiots to not accept this offer and the Giants would be idiots to make the offer. I still believe Team Caleb will eventually throw the Eli monkey wrench into this draft and tell the Bears they don't want to go there. And then things are really going to get interesting...

Not sure if Caleb forces the issue as you suggest, or not. However, I still feel like the Commanders and Bears are going to swap picks and Caleb will wind up back in the DC metro area.

What the Bears do from there I have no idea. My gut feeling all along is that they would trade out of 1 and take MHjr to link up another Buckeye with Fields. But there seems to be a lot of momentum for Chicago being done with Fields. They could still swap the pick with Wash and take a different QB.

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In comment 16405232 bw in dc said:

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The Bears would be idiots to not accept this offer and the Giants would be idiots to make the offer. I still believe Team Caleb will eventually throw the Eli monkey wrench into this draft and tell the Bears they don't want to go there. And then things are really going to get interesting...

Of course at the start the Bears' ask will be high, I would expect no sane person will accept. Where the offers wind up after some negotiation is the important part.

but IF Chicago is truly interested in keeping the pick, it's going to take a lot to make them cough it up. Add in that the top of the draft is loaded with QB needy teams, Chicago is the one to talk to if you want one of your top 3 choices of QB.

And while I don't want to lose KT, I don't think he's a deal breaker. It's also the rest of the haul that makes it too rich.

As an opening ask, it's in the ballpark. As an opening offer, it's too much. If someone gives them that much, I hope it isn't the Giants.

In comment 16405156 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 16405063 JonC said: Quote: to pick CW. Yea seems fields has his eyes set on the falcons. JonC, would you consider trading for fields or not on the table in your mind?

No, he's got a lot of warts similar to Jones.

In comment 16405186 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 16405063 JonC said: Quote: to pick CW. same and I expect him to have the same start to his career as Fields.

CW's going to be an NFL star. His only issue is a penchant for playing hero ball, which leads to turnovers. Clean that up, and he can do it all, pass with precision, run, kill defense off-platform, you name it. He's a bit undersized, guessing he's 6'1 tops. But, he's an electrifying talent who should excel in the NFL.

discussing his turd trades

EOM

In comment 16405242 Chris684 said:

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Not sure if Caleb forces the issue as you suggest, or not. However, I still feel like the Commanders and Bears are going to swap picks and Caleb will wind up back in the DC metro area.

I definitely could see that swap. And Williams comes back to DC and then the Bears take Daniels.

The Bears get extra compensation from that deal and then they unload Fields for more.

In comment 16405159 Sean said:

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The move will be a success. If the QB busts, it would get everyone fired. But make no mistake, if the Giants made that deal and got a Josh Allen type talent, no one complain about the cost.

This post makes the most sense.

If Caleb ended up being a top 5 QB, that price would be a bargain.

Knowing what we know now, if the Giants could get Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or even Herbert on a rookie deal, they would be fools NOT to make the trade.

Moot point though. Bears aren't trading the pick.

but not a real deal UNLESS they want to secure the pick before draft day.

Back in the day....Giants traded for Earl Morrall, Fran Tarkenton and Craig Morton for this type of draft compensation. If our roster were "loaded" and just missing a QB, I would consider but the loss of draft capital would starve the rest of the roster. Thanks....but no thanks.

This is turning into the annual silly season again.

In comment 16405074 BeckShepEli said:

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is a No. With that being said, I would trade 3 1st round picks + 2nd and 4th. If they feel that confident with CW or whomever, make the trade. Franchise QB changes everything. But like JonC said I strongly believe Chicago, Wash and NE take QB. So all this is a fun conversation on Thursday. Schoen can be working his ass off behind the scenes to make a trade, but it takes two to tango.

IMO, that's a horrible trade. Trading so many picks when the
Giants need to improve so many positions. W/O those picks we would be watching CW getting knocked on his ass as regularly as DJ, and would have accomplished nothing.

In comment 16405071 nygiantfan said:

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In comment 16405063 JonC said: Quote: to pick CW. They can have Williams. I heard he doesn't even have an agent!

So what? What do you actually know about players representing themselves? Don’t follow the BBI narrative where the first poster says it’s a bad idea and everyone follows suit

Thibs jumped from 4 to 11.5 sacks from 2022 to 2023. He’s only going to get better. This team has way too many needs to trade a talent like that away in addition to two seconds and a first rounder. I’m not counting this years first because that’s basically a swap with the one we would be getting.

No way the Bears are trading below the 3rd or even maybe the 2nd pick. If they are passing on a QB they are not passing on MHjr. Can't see it happening especially when they have a lower first to trade.
The only shot the Giants have at a the top 3 anointed QB's is if Chicago passes on a QB and we trade up to 4 because most likely we get jumped at 6.

The draft picks alone are too much to move up 5 picks.
I never thought much of Mike T and now even less.

Everything crazy gets tossed at the wall.

is either fishing for clicks or he's a freaking idiot. Probably both.

In comment 16405436 Gman11 said:

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is either fishing for clicks or he's a freaking idiot. Probably both.

definitely both. he was a capologist who became a GM. What Kevin Abrams would have been.

Interesting thread; interesting comments. Of course, its also kind of silly because the Bears aren't going to trade the pick. However, I suspect that if they actually presented this deal to the Giants we would take it in a heart beat. Maybe even faster. And so would just about every other team in the league save for KC and maybe Buffalo and Cincinnati. You're being offered a rare, very rare, chance to get a potentially elite franchise QB who if he works out would put you deep into the playoffs just about every year for the next decade plus. If it doesn't work out you're screwed, but then listening to folks on this board we're screwed anyway.