What kind of RB do you want?

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So I would say "both."

Mostly I want guys who can play most weeks which would be a nice change of pace from the past several years.

was taken in the 7th round so there’s that

and IMO most importantly can pick up a freaking block. You need a 3 down back. Someone who can be a part of any package.

of BJac and AB again please...

but I just wonder if he'll be gone by the 3rd day.

I miss Jacobs. He may have been my favorite Giant of all time.

We want both types of back and cheap.

And misses holes when they are there. Looking for that rare guy who is a marginal blocker and he has to have hands of stone.

can run with power between the tackles.

never go down easy RB.

yesterday, Trey Benson out of FL State, runs with power between the tackles, has excellent run-after-contact numbers, and is an excellent blocker.

Prefer one who's capable of running, receiving and another who's a grind it out, helps assist you in pass protection.

Eric Gray can catch and presumably can run. Not a home run hitter, but that's ok. Not many are - maybe if they drafted Achane (84th overall last year) that is a different situation. I feel like they need to find someone who do be versatile and then be someone who's capable of getting the tough, power runs.

I guess we're letting #26 walk in FA. Watch him dominate elsewhere. If he goes to Dallas and kicks ass I will puke.

Easy to find RBs that just walk in to any team and kick ass from the jump are not as common and easy to find as some here might think. But hey, don't let me rain on your dreams. You can find out the hard way when this team fails to find a RB worth anything for 5 years or more. Just like 2013-2017 went.

If they build a good offense around the running game, sure, we could probably find some decent players in the draft. I'd still prefer a big talent at the RB position.

In comment 16406145 barens said:

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but I just wonder if he'll be gone by the 3rd day.

I l9ve him as a player, but Im curious if he isn't just a little too slow and lacks the lateral quickness to make it the NFL. Maybe as a 3rd down back?

that doesn't get tackled in the backfield.

from Kentucky in a later round. He's a beast who can catch out of the backfield.

Nice looking NFL backs. Estime would also be a good get. Plus hes from the area.

In comment 16406238 Maggot Brain said:

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from Kentucky in a later round. He's a beast who can catch out of the backfield.

He'll be 25 by Tgiving

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If the OL doesn't improve.

Giants were tied for dead last in run block win rate

Audric Estime
Braelon Allen
Marshon Lloyd
Kendall Milton
Ray Davis

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Bradshaw and Jacobs. Not so much a committee approach, but more like 2 starting Rbs. Like Cleveland did with Chubb and Hunt.

An RB who can get the job done on 3rd and 3/4 or 4th and 1.

Jim Brown would have trouble gaining yards behind the current group.

In comment 16406168 The_Boss said:

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And misses holes when they are there. Looking for that rare guy who is a marginal blocker and he has to have hands of stone.

Does he have to be drafted #2?

I want a running back who can stay healthy

In comment 16406287 GoDeep13 said:

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Audric Estime Braelon Allen Marshon Lloyd Kendall Milton Ray Davis

I Like Estime. Reminds me of Natron Means. Human bowling ball.

Blake Corum Michigan. Runs hard and tough.

In comment 16406209 djm said:

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I guess we're letting #26 walk in FA. Watch him dominate elsewhere. If he goes to Dallas and kicks ass I will puke. Easy to find RBs that just walk in to any team and kick ass from the jump are not as common and easy to find as some here might think. But hey, don't let me rain on your dreams. You can find out the hard way when this team fails to find a RB worth anything for 5 years or more. Just like 2013-2017 went. If they build a good offense around the running game, sure, we could probably find some decent players in the draft. I'd still prefer a big talent at the RB position.

well said. When we go back to Orleans Darkwa and Wayne Gallman types we will see. I actually saw a poster in another thread hope that with this salary increase that the cowboys sign Barkley. I’m just at a loss on that take…. I will be called a Barkley stan or whatever dopey internet insult is popular this week but I will let the proof be in the proverbial pudding.

him in pop warner and 1 year in high school...but the highlights don't lie ......the kid had one of the best yards per carry in college football and can flat out fly also a very nice kid his pops in cop and weight lifter....I would love him on the Giants....I'll be at day 2 draft party rooting hard for the kid hoping for free tix and great seats next year...if not hope he does well and represents our city well in the NFL.

shitty OLs every year. Shitty defenses every year. one or two season where the QB wasn't bad or hurt or both. One brutally bad, impossible to see coming knee injury that SHOULD have ended two seasons yet only keep him out of one, 2 more ankles...yet despite all that:

(6 seasons)
5211 rushing yards
4.3 YPC
35 rushing TDs
288 catches
2100 receiving yards
12 receiving TDs

Lose the agendas and bias. Watch the guy play within what usually amounted to an untenable situation here.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

this regime knows what it is doing. if they KNOW that Barkley left a lot of meat on the bone last year and are convinced NYG can do better for less money, by all means let some other team overpay for Barkley. I don't see it that way at all. To me there was only one reason to even watch this offense last year, and it wasn't Cutlets or Taylor at QB and it sure as fuck wasn't the OL. It was Barkley.

Is it any coincidence the offense looked at least professional when Barkley came back? Of course some here are convinced it was the walk on FA QB or the journeyman QB but we all know that's not true. It was Thomas and Barkley and BArkley came back first.

There was a brief moment, one wonderful football season's worth where we finally established an identity here. We ran the ball. We REALLY ran the ball in the 4th quarter of games. We even won more games than we lost. It was on the backs of Thomas and Barkley and yes, DJ's legs helped too.

Let's move on. Surely the 3rd rounder from east hackensack will pickup this offense.

Save some money, move on from SB and weaken a division rival. Plus, he'll have no competition for jersey #0 here once Campbell rolls off this roster.

I saw it the same way when SB came back. Then AT. Plenty of evidence watching the games and the stats back it up.

He could really fall off at any time and then of course he has has injury concerns. On a better team this year he was a 2k plus total yards back imv. Pretty much what he always has been but he is a different RB than the one who entered as a rookie. Some improvements in certain areas and a drop off in others.

Would be happy with an Estime/Benson. Would take a shot at Braelon Allen if he fell past the 5th.

If we are losing SB, sign Gus Edwards, Baltimore's 28 yr. old RB who is a free agent with size (6'1", 238) and a diverse skill set. He will be much less expensive than Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, D'Andre Swift, Austin Eckeler and of course Saquon.

Resign Matt Brieda who has done well at a low cost to a low cost, one year contract.

Find out if 2023 5th round draft choice RB Eric Gray is better in his second year. I expect he will be if he doesn't have to return punts and our OL improves.

We have lots of holes to fill. Pick your spots, such as drafting WR and OL this year when there as so many choices.

This year's RB draft class is not as good as last year's or next year's.

In comment 16406425 CJ in AZ said:

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If we are losing SB, sign Gus Edwards, Baltimore's 28 yr. old RB who is a free agent with size (6'1", 238) and a diverse skill set. He will be much less expensive than Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, D'Andre Swift, Austin Eckeler and of course Saquon. Resign Matt Brieda who has done well at a low cost to a low cost, one year contract. Find out if 2023 5th round draft choice RB Eric Gray is better in his second year. I expect he will be if he doesn't have to return punts and our OL improves. We have lots of holes to fill. Pick your spots, such as drafting WR and OL this year when there as so many choices. This year's RB draft class is not as good as last year's or next year's.

I think this could be the strategy, however I am not a fan of going into the draft with the mindset that they won't draft a RB at all. If a RB on their board is there at a spot where he is by far the best vaue, they should pull the trigger.

In comment 16406383 djm said:

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this regime knows what it is doing. if they KNOW that Barkley left a lot of meat on the bone last year and are convinced NYG can do better for less money, by all means let some other team overpay for Barkley. I don't see it that way at all. To me there was only one reason to even watch this offense last year, and it wasn't Cutlets or Taylor at QB and it sure as fuck wasn't the OL. It was Barkley. Is it any coincidence the offense looked at least professional when Barkley came back? Of course some here are convinced it was the walk on FA QB or the journeyman QB but we all know that's not true. It was Thomas and Barkley and BArkley came back first. There was a brief moment, one wonderful football season's worth where we finally established an identity here. We ran the ball. We REALLY ran the ball in the 4th quarter of games. We even won more games than we lost. It was on the backs of Thomas and Barkley and yes, DJ's legs helped too. Let's move on. Surely the 3rd rounder from east hackensack will pickup this offense.

They don't need to "do better for less money" they need to have a productive running game at a reasonable cost that allows for expenditures elsewhere.

If they got 80% of what you believe Barkley to be at 30-40% of the cost, wouldn't that be a good thing?

I won't even address your fallacious argument about the "3rd rounder from east hackensack". That's a truly unserious misrepresentation of an opposing viewpoint.

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that succeed without an above average OL? It really seems like most RBs at the NFL level are only as good as the line they follow.

In comment 16406468 Juice921 said:

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that succeed without an above average OL? It really seems like most RBs at the NFL level are only as good as the line they follow.

Pretty hard to determine this. I would think that a RB's success will directly reflect opinions on the OL's run blocking ability and vice versa. Maybe in this day and age, of advanced stats/analytics, it is easier to separate the two.

doesn't suck

In comment 16406156 robbieballs2003 said:

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We want both types of back and cheap.

Yes, and it would be nice to have someone who convert reliably on 3rd and 2.

A 6’2” 265 lb guy that runs a 4.4 forty and loves to plant linebackers on there butt. Remind you of anyone?

If there are any RB's like him available through the draft or FA, that's the type of RB that I'd love to see the new QB rely on.
I'd love to see how Eric Gray works by getting more carries than last season, if Saquon Barkley is gone.

Out of bargain basement talent. Matt Brieda and Gray are pretenders at best (there’s a lot of guys like that all over the place).

If you think Saquon is done, so be it, but you’re going to have jump back up into the 1st round if you want to draft a QB 6th over-all (to replace Barkley). And that’s the cold hard fact.

What needs to happen is fix the O-line, pay Saquon, dump the pretender committee , draft the biggest baddest HB-fullback hybrid around and play “keep-away” football, just like the old Giants used to do.

most over rated player in NFL. I want a back who actually picks up yards on first down and can run between the tackles. I want a back who can actually pick up a yard and move the chains on third and 1. Barkley constantly puts you behind the chains. No one ever seems to talk about that. Second and 6 is a whole different ballgame than second and 9. His stats look okay because he will once a game bust off a decent size run. Even that aspect of his game has regressed. Barkley does not help the offense and puts pressure on the offensive line and the QB when we are second and 9 or second and 11 which happens WAY too often with Barkley. Get me a running back that runs like he actually weighs 230 lbs.

Remember when Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris had a good one two punch back in 2020. Huge reasons why they went to Seattle and beat a good team.

That's what they need to do. A mid round draft kid and cheap FA.

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him in pop warner and 1 year in high school...but the highlights don't lie ......the kid had one of the best yards per carry in college football and can flat out fly also a very nice kid his pops in cop and weight lifter....I would love him on the Giants....I'll be at day 2 draft party rooting hard for the kid hoping for free tix and great seats next year...if not hope he does well and represents our city well in the NFL.

If i had some positive background info on a prospect like that i would reach out to the Giants FO/scouting department via email to give them an extra pointer. Wouldn't hurt

In comment 16406821 Chris L. said:

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most over rated player in NFL. I want a back who actually picks up yards on first down and can run between the tackles. I want a back who can actually pick up a yard and move the chains on third and 1. Barkley constantly puts you behind the chains. No one ever seems to talk about that. Second and 6 is a whole different ballgame than second and 9. His stats look okay because he will once a game bust off a decent size run. Even that aspect of his game has regressed. Barkley does not help the offense and puts pressure on the offensive line and the QB when we are second and 9 or second and 11 which happens WAY too often with Barkley. Get me a running back that runs like he actually weighs 230 lbs.

Completely disagree on this. Barkley does run hard and routinely moves the pile (announcers are always pointing this out). The issue we have is 1) the defense focuses on Barkley because we have a crappy QB and Wrs, and 2) we can only run up the middle because the OL can't sustain blocks.

So we have a situation where we are running up the middle because all we can hope for is the OL to hold a crease open for a second, Forget anything wide. Unfortunately we have horrible guards and a rookie center. Add to this that he defense always puts a spy (or two) on Barkley, and we end up running into more defenders behind lousy OL players. He gets crushed behind the line routinely. The whole running attack plan is to get crushed a few times hoping that Barkley gets a crease magically once and can break a long one. On a good team he wouldn't have to deal with this. The defense would play it straight up, because they would have to respect the passing game, and the interior OL would be much better. I actually feel sorry for Barkley, they make hm run 20-30 times right into the guys of 3 defensive players all the time.

Bucky Irving who is very good in space and able to make guys miss in a phone booth and has good hands to be a threat out of the backfield. Now the question is can he block?

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In comment 16406168 The_Boss said: Quote: And misses holes when they are there. Looking for that rare guy who is a marginal blocker and he has to have hands of stone. Does he have to be drafted #2?

And also runs out of bounds when you are trying to run down the clock because he doesn't have any game situation recognition.

Oh and he misses lots of time with injuries...

In comment 16407007 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16406315 gridirony said: Quote: In comment 16406168 The_Boss said: Quote: And misses holes when they are there. Looking for that rare guy who is a marginal blocker and he has to have hands of stone. Does he have to be drafted #2? And also runs out of bounds when you are trying to run down the clock because he doesn't have any game situation recognition. Oh and he misses lots of time with injuries...

He's started 43 out of the last 51 games, which for a RB is pretty good. He's also played 13+ games every season except for the one when he tore up his knee. He misses no more time than any other RB. Plus he gets he head beat in regularly because our IOL sucks

Barkley was 16th in rushing and 20th in receptions for a running back. He had less than 1,000 yards rushing and 280 yards receiving. There are only 32 teams. He is always talked about as one of the top RBs in the game. It simply is not true. If someone else wants to pay him as that its fine by me. I just hope it is not the Giants. Also, its the offensive line argument is getting very old. Constantly used to excuse below average performances by the QB and the running back. If Barkley was as great as everyone says he is he would lift up the offensive line. He does not.

This is why you never should pick a rb at #2. For all this talk about a tougher runner like Henry, he had 3 or 4 "12 yd " rushing days. If the OL is dominated that's all she wrote.

I think Barkley was a bad pick, but I can separate the player from where he was drafted. He has been a really good player for us and a team leader. We weren't ready for a quality back, we should have picked a OL or DL player instead.

Barkley is considered an elite back because the players know he is. Micah Patsons on the Cowboys said it, all they fo is worry about him. Thibodeaux said it too recently. As usual, raw stats don't tell the full story.

And that would be Barry Sanders to my comment above. He excelled with a pretty lousy team. Besides him, I haven't seen any RB excel with a bad OL and my time reference is since 1970.

or Blake Corum in round 3 or 4.