Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Wouldn't McCarthy have similar body type concerns? He's pretty skinny himself.
yup - it is a negative on his report
He is 21 though - that does matter a bit when projecting mass/weight gain over the next 3-4 years
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
If you have reservations about this year's crop of QBs you will be very disappointed with next year's group.
This complicates the Giant's decision.
Right now it appears that there is one QB Sanders who could break the top four this year.
This can change as it always seems to do, but last year at this time Williams and Maye were thought of as potential high picks.
There are some interesting prospects, but there are a lot of question marks for next year beyond Sanders...
- Ward is a really good playmaker who can make a lot of throws with different arm angles.
- If Milroe can build on a very underrated 2023, he could be a big riser. Dangerous challenger for QB1...
- Allar drives me crazy as a Penn St fan. But he is a monster physically.
- Ewers can stroke it, but I can a real Jay Cutler feel with him.
- Beck has the size and a nice arm, but, JFC, he was a hard eval with the protection he got last year. Did he get his uniform dirty? ;)
- I keep drinking the Grayson McCall kool-aid, but he seems to have gone backwards the last two years. But he has size, a good arm, and some athleticism. Should be interesting seeing him play for NC State.
- Sy was very bullish on Riley Leonard, but he looked awful last year throwing. Granted, he got hurt and beat to a pulp. But he's another one to watch with a different team (ND)...
If you have reservations about this year's crop of QBs you will be very disappointed with next year's group.
This complicates the Giant's decision.
Right now it appears that there is one QB Sanders who could break the top four this year.
This can change as it always seems to do, but last year at this time Williams and Maye were thought of as potential high picks.
There are some interesting prospects, but there are a lot of question marks for next year beyond Sanders...
- Ward is a really good playmaker who can make a lot of throws with different arm angles.
- If Milroe can build on a very underrated 2023, he could be a big riser. Dangerous challenger for QB1...
- Allar drives me crazy as a Penn St fan. But he is a monster physically.
- Ewers can stroke it, but I can a real Jay Cutler feel with him.
- Beck has the size and a nice arm, but, JFC, he was a hard eval with the protection he got last year. Did he get his uniform dirty? ;)
- I keep drinking the Grayson McCall kool-aid, but he seems to have gone backwards the last two years. But he has size, a good arm, and some athleticism. Should be interesting seeing him play for NC State.
- Sy was very bullish on Riley Leonard, but he looked awful last year throwing. Granted, he got hurt and beat to a pulp. But he's another one to watch with a different team (ND)...
I think JJ would've been clear-cut #1 qb if he stayed, something to consider if we got him this year.
He's got good bloodlines. His brother Luke was on the UNC basketball team that won the NC in 2017 and was a very good player. And his father played QB for UNC in the '80s.
And he was a 4-star recruit who was committed to Bama at first.
Personally, I think he's made for the next level and doing big things...
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
Dude I watched alot of JJ this past season
He struck me as a game manager level QB.
Can he grow into a NFL QB???
Maybe
But he is not worth a high first rounder
Coram and Jenkins have better chances to contribute in the NFL
My personal opinion..
I am firmly in the trade back and fill gaps camp.
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
Dude I watched alot of JJ this past season
He struck me as a game manager level QB.
Can he grow into a NFL QB???
Maybe
But he is not worth a high first rounder
Coram and Jenkins have better chances to contribute in the NFL
My personal opinion..
I am firmly in the trade back and fill gaps camp.
Ik u did, I did too, but I didn't start seeing the potential of him until I really studied film and stats which you can't do while casually watching the games.
of the season, here are his aggregate stats, which include the national championship game, semis, Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Maryland, PSU.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
of the season, here are his aggregate stats, which include the national championship game, semis, Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Maryland, PSU.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
He was the main reason they beat Alabama, he literally carried the offense as their running backs had less than 70 yards rushing in regulation. And as someone mentioned, he was injured so badly they wanted to pull him at halftime of the Maryland game he was in agonizing pain but didn't want to leave the game. He's a former hockey player and is a tough SOB. Against 2 of the best defenses in the country he played great. I don't see the argument here tbh.
of the season, here are his aggregate stats, which include the national championship game, semis, Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Maryland, PSU.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
I get it. I'm all about attributes and projection.
I wouldn't underestimate the skill players McCarthy had at Michigan. Wilson is a very good day two prospect. Loveland looks like a helluva TE. And we know about the backs.
I have dug into McCarthy pretty deeply since it appears he could be in play as a day one prospect. So, I want to say I have watched over 80% of his plays in 2023. The most impressive pieces about his game are his short area burst and agility in the open field. He can gobble up ground quickly and run away from defenders. Those are plus skills for sure.
I'm all over the place with his arm. He can wind up and throw it with pace. But it's not an efficient, snappy delivery like a Rodgers where the ball explodes out of his hand.
JJs short TDs are no less impressive than long throws. They represent good decisions and good throws.
I'm good with JJ at 6.
Of the top 4 QBs, Williams is the one that scares me the most.
daniels scares me more than williams. there are things that scare me about williams but the riley system has translated a few times now. he's not a perfect prospect but it's easy to see a blend of baker, kyler, hurts and there's probably a really good argument he has the best pure skills of the 3.
he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
I get it. I'm all about attributes and projection.
I wouldn't underestimate the skill players McCarthy had at Michigan. Wilson is a very good day two prospect. Loveland looks like a helluva TE. And we know about the backs.
I have dug into McCarthy pretty deeply since it appears he could be in play as a day one prospect. So, I want to say I have watched over 80% of his plays in 2023. The most impressive pieces about his game are his short area burst and agility in the open field. He can gobble up ground quickly and run away from defenders. Those are plus skills for sure.
I'm all over the place with his arm. He can wind up and throw it with pace. But it's not an efficient, snappy delivery like a Rodgers where the ball explodes out of his hand.
the throws that impressed me most were hitting guys in stride with good placement on crossers - the throw to morris vs bama is a really good example. the fadeaway flea flicker was great too.
but remember, 20 years old and still looks like 2 years away from shaving every day. tom brady and drew brees' arms changed a lot over their careers, brady was 23 years old when he got drafted, brees was 22. if jjm stayed in school 2 more years and played as many more games as nix/daniels/penix who knows what he'd be. on the high end it could easily be an obvious 1OA pick. if he went back 1 more year he'd have been in that mix for 2025.
of the season, here are his aggregate stats, which include the national championship game, semis, Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Maryland, PSU.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
Guarantees
IMHO
Look at JJs # vs very good to excellent Defenses..
Which in the Big 10 were few and far between.
He had 1 good drive Vs Bama...
Penn St
Ohio St
Nothing burgers
where is this hype coming from????
The big 10 had the best four of the best 5 defenses in the NCAA last year.
Why do you just look at stats to judge a player? You’re becoming stale and a bore at this point.
I was surprised to read that nugget about Big 10 defenses.
Wonder if that was mostly the result of Big 10 offenses being awful including a lot of the QB play, and they got to play each other.
Saw plenty of big plays under pressure executed by him. Little small but should be able to add some weight.
If the Giants do draft him then bring some of the Michigan playbook with him. Love to see the Giants build a top running game via the RB's. More QB under center w/ heavy play action and less QB runs.
I only saw a half of Maye so not sure what to think of him but I can see teams liking his size arm physical attributes.
well, whoever is the QB with the Giants is definitely going to
to love all the JJ hate now being switched to love on this site.
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
That is a really stupid post by Amtoft. Ryankeane level “I am a better fan than you because I love the QB more than you!!!!”
The fact that some posters can’t understand the difference between liking/not liking certain prospects vs. rooting for them when they become Giants is surprising for anyone older than 12.
weeks ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s near the top of their board. And I wouldn’t be shocked if they moved up to 3 or so to land him if he’s there., assuming he’s their top QB.
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
I haven't had a strong feeling like I do about McCarthy and the Giants since Hakeem Nicks, that worked out pretty well. It got us a super bowl and he would've been a HOFer if he didn't get injured.
I just feel like he's gonna be the guy to get us out of the gutter. I feel like he's got it between the ears. Who knows. But I got a really good strong feeling about him and us. It sure would be wild here, divisive almost like Daniel Jones already, only Sy is on board with him unlike Jones. Sy's analysis of Jones predraft was prophetic
The Giants are not trading up to draft McCarthy. If anything they would trade down.
To say this at all is com0letely silly. To say it before the combine/pro day is utterly laughable.
If the Giants like him a lot after BD and Schoen interview him, they might have to swap with Zona because it would be very likely that other teams like him too. This kid is skyrocketing up boards and has every single tangible trait a team would look for in a QB, plus he's young, plus he has won consistently. I honestly don't see how the Giants can take any of the 4 qbs in the 1st round without trading up at all.
With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
I would love it if we only gave up our 3rd, or thereabouts, but all bets are off when it comes to a QB. The Jets traded three 2nd round picks to move up from #6 to #3 overall a few years back to take Darnold (lol).
Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Thank you Sy! This is a great thread. Lots to unpack here.
1 - I'm fascinated by what the new Commanders brass might want in their QB. The classic QB build in Maye or the high performing guy in Daniels with the thinner upper body.
2 - It shouldn't be surprising to anyone but casuals that Daniels's upper body is a question mark. How much of a difference would a single season of an NFL strength & conditioning program gonna actually do for him? His upper body dimensions aren't gonna get any wider (look what happened to the kid the Colts took from Florida last year). Fascinating.
Mr personally, I'll take the classic NFL prototypical QB build in Maye. He'll last longer, but who the heck am I at the end of the day? I hope the Commanders take Daniels and the Pats take McCarthy. McCarthy is someone I can see putting on some weight after a season and being able to take the pounding and rigors of a strenuous NFL season.
This complicates the Giant's decision.
Right now it appears that there is one QB Sanders who could break the top four this year.
This can change as it always seems to do, but last year at this time Williams and Maye were thought of as potential high picks.
JJ McCarthy had Michigan's awesome rushing attack and even more awesome defense?
Drake Maye did not.
UNC had a good rushing attack too, so you can't really go there. Omarion Hampton is a damn good running back for them.
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JJ McCarthy had Michigan's awesome rushing attack and even more awesome defense?
Drake Maye did not.
UNC had a good rushing attack too, so you can't really go there. Omarion Hampton is a damn good running back for them.
One of my favorite backs in the nation for next year
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Excellent video with lots of food for thought.
Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Wouldn't McCarthy have similar body type concerns? He's pretty skinny himself.
yup - it is a negative on his report
He is 21 though - that does matter a bit when projecting mass/weight gain over the next 3-4 years
Eat a steak every day!
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JJ McCarthy had Michigan's awesome rushing attack and even more awesome defense?
Drake Maye did not.
UNC had a good rushing attack too, so you can't really go there. Omarion Hampton is a damn good running back for them.
One of my favorite backs in the nation for next year
Yeah, he's a beast. Much better prospect than any of the Michigan backs.
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
This complicates the Giant's decision.
Right now it appears that there is one QB Sanders who could break the top four this year.
This can change as it always seems to do, but last year at this time Williams and Maye were thought of as potential high picks.
There are some interesting prospects, but there are a lot of question marks for next year beyond Sanders...
- Ward is a really good playmaker who can make a lot of throws with different arm angles.
- If Milroe can build on a very underrated 2023, he could be a big riser. Dangerous challenger for QB1...
- Allar drives me crazy as a Penn St fan. But he is a monster physically.
- Ewers can stroke it, but I can a real Jay Cutler feel with him.
- Beck has the size and a nice arm, but, JFC, he was a hard eval with the protection he got last year. Did he get his uniform dirty? ;)
- I keep drinking the Grayson McCall kool-aid, but he seems to have gone backwards the last two years. But he has size, a good arm, and some athleticism. Should be interesting seeing him play for NC State.
- Sy was very bullish on Riley Leonard, but he looked awful last year throwing. Granted, he got hurt and beat to a pulp. But he's another one to watch with a different team (ND)...
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If you have reservations about this year's crop of QBs you will be very disappointed with next year's group.
This complicates the Giant's decision.
Right now it appears that there is one QB Sanders who could break the top four this year.
This can change as it always seems to do, but last year at this time Williams and Maye were thought of as potential high picks.
There are some interesting prospects, but there are a lot of question marks for next year beyond Sanders...
- Ward is a really good playmaker who can make a lot of throws with different arm angles.
- If Milroe can build on a very underrated 2023, he could be a big riser. Dangerous challenger for QB1...
- Allar drives me crazy as a Penn St fan. But he is a monster physically.
- Ewers can stroke it, but I can a real Jay Cutler feel with him.
- Beck has the size and a nice arm, but, JFC, he was a hard eval with the protection he got last year. Did he get his uniform dirty? ;)
- I keep drinking the Grayson McCall kool-aid, but he seems to have gone backwards the last two years. But he has size, a good arm, and some athleticism. Should be interesting seeing him play for NC State.
- Sy was very bullish on Riley Leonard, but he looked awful last year throwing. Granted, he got hurt and beat to a pulp. But he's another one to watch with a different team (ND)...
I think JJ would've been clear-cut #1 qb if he stayed, something to consider if we got him this year.
He's got good bloodlines. His brother Luke was on the UNC basketball team that won the NC in 2017 and was a very good player. And his father played QB for UNC in the '80s.
And he was a 4-star recruit who was committed to Bama at first.
Personally, I think he's made for the next level and doing big things...
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Not sure he is the MAN...
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
Dude I watched alot of JJ this past season
He struck me as a game manager level QB.
Can he grow into a NFL QB???
Maybe
But he is not worth a high first rounder
Coram and Jenkins have better chances to contribute in the NFL
My personal opinion..
I am firmly in the trade back and fill gaps camp.
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Not sure he is the MAN...
Have you tried forgetting all personal bias toward McCarthy and looking him as a prospect you haven't seen before? I think if you opened your mind, you'd have a different sentiment about him.
Dude I watched alot of JJ this past season
He struck me as a game manager level QB.
Can he grow into a NFL QB???
Maybe
But he is not worth a high first rounder
Coram and Jenkins have better chances to contribute in the NFL
My personal opinion..
I am firmly in the trade back and fill gaps camp.
Ik u did, I did too, but I didn't start seeing the potential of him until I really studied film and stats which you can't do while casually watching the games.
There's no such thing as a perfect QB prospect. You have to decide what you want to deal with. Andrew Luck was close, though.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
Patrick Mahomes averaged 2.3 yards per air pass this season - cause that means he wasn’t thst good either.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
He was the main reason they beat Alabama, he literally carried the offense as their running backs had less than 70 yards rushing in regulation. And as someone mentioned, he was injured so badly they wanted to pull him at halftime of the Maryland game he was in agonizing pain but didn't want to leave the game. He's a former hockey player and is a tough SOB. Against 2 of the best defenses in the country he played great. I don't see the argument here tbh.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
JJs short TDs are no less impressive than long throws. They represent good decisions and good throws.
I'm good with JJ at 6.
Of the top 4 QBs, Williams is the one that scares me the most.
he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
I get it. I'm all about attributes and projection.
I wouldn't underestimate the skill players McCarthy had at Michigan. Wilson is a very good day two prospect. Loveland looks like a helluva TE. And we know about the backs.
I have dug into McCarthy pretty deeply since it appears he could be in play as a day one prospect. So, I want to say I have watched over 80% of his plays in 2023. The most impressive pieces about his game are his short area burst and agility in the open field. He can gobble up ground quickly and run away from defenders. Those are plus skills for sure.
I'm all over the place with his arm. He can wind up and throw it with pace. But it's not an efficient, snappy delivery like a Rodgers where the ball explodes out of his hand.
JJs short TDs are no less impressive than long throws. They represent good decisions and good throws.
I'm good with JJ at 6.
Of the top 4 QBs, Williams is the one that scares me the most.
daniels scares me more than williams. there are things that scare me about williams but the riley system has translated a few times now. he's not a perfect prospect but it's easy to see a blend of baker, kyler, hurts and there's probably a really good argument he has the best pure skills of the 3.
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he played as a 20 year old in a run first offense. he is a projection based on tools that start with obvious athleticism and plenty of pro throws.
add in the fact that in-game he was successful enough to win big games against top quality opponents.
it is not the perfect resume but neither was a qb with very clear accuracy issues coming out of wyoming.
im not saying mccarthy is allen, but my personal preference would be towards any of the 3 junior entries over the guys who put up better stats but in their 5th/6th years (each with elite wrs).
I get it. I'm all about attributes and projection.
I wouldn't underestimate the skill players McCarthy had at Michigan. Wilson is a very good day two prospect. Loveland looks like a helluva TE. And we know about the backs.
I have dug into McCarthy pretty deeply since it appears he could be in play as a day one prospect. So, I want to say I have watched over 80% of his plays in 2023. The most impressive pieces about his game are his short area burst and agility in the open field. He can gobble up ground quickly and run away from defenders. Those are plus skills for sure.
I'm all over the place with his arm. He can wind up and throw it with pace. But it's not an efficient, snappy delivery like a Rodgers where the ball explodes out of his hand.
the throws that impressed me most were hitting guys in stride with good placement on crossers - the throw to morris vs bama is a really good example. the fadeaway flea flicker was great too.
but remember, 20 years old and still looks like 2 years away from shaving every day. tom brady and drew brees' arms changed a lot over their careers, brady was 23 years old when he got drafted, brees was 22. if jjm stayed in school 2 more years and played as many more games as nix/daniels/penix who knows what he'd be. on the high end it could easily be an obvious 1OA pick. if he went back 1 more year he'd have been in that mix for 2025.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
Preach
Never has been before
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
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Sy - let’s say Giants stay at 6. Draft has gone: Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Alt. Who do Giants take at 6?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
Fuaga intrigues me as OL2 in this class
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trades for Fields. The further back any suiters are, the more leverage we have with our #6 in a deal.
Between the Falcons, Patriots, Vikings, Broncos and Raiders. There is strong chance two of those teams acquires Cousins and Fields.
Great points by both posters.
It seems Sean Payton and Russel Wilson are headed for a divorce in Denver too, if I'm not mistaken. Here's how I think things go:
Falcons - trade for Fields before the draft
Cousins might go to the Vikings or Raiders
I think the Broncos draft Nix if they can.
Picks 11 through 13 are as follows:
11 - Minny
12 - Denver
13 - Da Raidahs
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16 - Seattle - Look out for the Seahawks too.
There are rumors floating around about Fields to the Steelers too and even Wilson to the Steelers.
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Sy - let’s say Giants stay at 6. Draft has gone: Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Alt. Who do Giants take at 6?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
Fuaga intrigues me as OL2 in this class
The Jets apparently love Fuaga Mike at 10.
Never has been before
Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes say hello.
JJs short TDs are no less impressive than long throws. They represent good decisions and good throws.
I'm good with JJ at 6.
Of the top 4 QBs, Williams is the one that scares me the most.
This is exactly where I am.
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Guarantees
IMHO
Look at JJs # vs very good to excellent Defenses..
Which in the Big 10 were few and far between.
He had 1 good drive Vs Bama...
Penn St
Ohio St
Nothing burgers
where is this hype coming from????
The big 10 had the best four of the best 5 defenses in the NCAA last year.
Why do you just look at stats to judge a player? You’re becoming stale and a bore at this point.
I was surprised to read that nugget about Big 10 defenses.
Wonder if that was mostly the result of Big 10 offenses being awful including a lot of the QB play, and they got to play each other.
Never has been before
The Draft is all about projection. What do you mean?
If the Giants do draft him then bring some of the Michigan playbook with him. Love to see the Giants build a top running game via the RB's. More QB under center w/ heavy play action and less QB runs.
I only saw a half of Maye so not sure what to think of him but I can see teams liking his size arm physical attributes.
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
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to love all the JJ hate now being switched to love on this site.
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
That is a really stupid post by Amtoft. Ryankeane level “I am a better fan than you because I love the QB more than you!!!!”
The fact that some posters can’t understand the difference between liking/not liking certain prospects vs. rooting for them when they become Giants is surprising for anyone older than 12.
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trades for Fields. The further back any suiters are, the more leverage we have with our #6 in a deal.
Between the Falcons, Patriots, Vikings, Broncos and Raiders. There is strong chance two of those teams acquires Cousins and Fields.
Great points by both posters.
It seems Sean Payton and Russel Wilson are headed for a divorce in Denver too, if I'm not mistaken. Here's how I think things go:
Falcons - trade for Fields before the draft
Cousins might go to the Vikings or Raiders
I think the Broncos draft Nix if they can.
Picks 11 through 13 are as follows:
11 - Minny
12 - Denver
13 - Da Raidahs
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.
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16 - Seattle - Look out for the Seahawks too.
There are rumors floating around about Fields to the Steelers too and even Wilson to the Steelers.
the broncos/wilson situation is going to be interesting - i think albright reported payton loves mccarthy but they dont think they can get him.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
No thanks.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
I haven't had a strong feeling like I do about McCarthy and the Giants since Hakeem Nicks, that worked out pretty well. It got us a super bowl and he would've been a HOFer if he didn't get injured.
I just feel like he's gonna be the guy to get us out of the gutter. I feel like he's got it between the ears. Who knows. But I got a really good strong feeling about him and us. It sure would be wild here, divisive almost like Daniel Jones already, only Sy is on board with him unlike Jones. Sy's analysis of Jones predraft was prophetic
One of them will be there at 4. I'm not so sure about 6 with the Chargers at 5 not needing a QB and at least 3 other clubs wanting\needing a young QB.
To say this at all is com0letely silly. To say it before the combine/pro day is utterly laughable.
If the Giants like him a lot after BD and Schoen interview him, they might have to swap with Zona because it would be very likely that other teams like him too. This kid is skyrocketing up boards and has every single tangible trait a team would look for in a QB, plus he's young, plus he has won consistently. I honestly don't see how the Giants can take any of the 4 qbs in the 1st round without trading up at all.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
I would love it if we only gave up our 3rd, or thereabouts, but all bets are off when it comes to a QB. The Jets traded three 2nd round picks to move up from #6 to #3 overall a few years back to take Darnold (lol).
Maybe from your perspective, but it appears many professionals think otherwise. I wonder who is right? Time will tell.
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Excellent video with lots of food for thought.
Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Thank you Sy! This is a great thread. Lots to unpack here.
1 - I'm fascinated by what the new Commanders brass might want in their QB. The classic QB build in Maye or the high performing guy in Daniels with the thinner upper body.
2 - It shouldn't be surprising to anyone but casuals that Daniels's upper body is a question mark. How much of a difference would a single season of an NFL strength & conditioning program gonna actually do for him? His upper body dimensions aren't gonna get any wider (look what happened to the kid the Colts took from Florida last year). Fascinating.
Mr personally, I'll take the classic NFL prototypical QB build in Maye. He'll last longer, but who the heck am I at the end of the day? I hope the Commanders take Daniels and the Pats take McCarthy. McCarthy is someone I can see putting on some weight after a season and being able to take the pounding and rigors of a strenuous NFL season.