of the season, here are his aggregate stats, which include the national championship game, semis, Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Maryland, PSU.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
Guarantees
IMHO
Look at JJs # vs very good to excellent Defenses..
Which in the Big 10 were few and far between.
He had 1 good drive Vs Bama...
Penn St
Ohio St
Nothing burgers
where is this hype coming from????
The big 10 had the best four of the best 5 defenses in the NCAA last year.
Why do you just look at stats to judge a player? You’re becoming stale and a bore at this point.
I was surprised to read that nugget about Big 10 defenses.
Wonder if that was mostly the result of Big 10 offenses being awful including a lot of the QB play, and they got to play each other.
Saw plenty of big plays under pressure executed by him. Little small but should be able to add some weight.
If the Giants do draft him then bring some of the Michigan playbook with him. Love to see the Giants build a top running game via the RB's. More QB under center w/ heavy play action and less QB runs.
I only saw a half of Maye so not sure what to think of him but I can see teams liking his size arm physical attributes.
well, whoever is the QB with the Giants is definitely going to
to love all the JJ hate now being switched to love on this site.
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
That is a really stupid post by Amtoft. Ryankeane level “I am a better fan than you because I love the QB more than you!!!!”
The fact that some posters can’t understand the difference between liking/not liking certain prospects vs. rooting for them when they become Giants is surprising for anyone older than 12.
weeks ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s near the top of their board. And I wouldn’t be shocked if they moved up to 3 or so to land him if he’s there., assuming he’s their top QB.
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
I haven't had a strong feeling like I do about McCarthy and the Giants since Hakeem Nicks, that worked out pretty well. It got us a super bowl and he would've been a HOFer if he didn't get injured.
I just feel like he's gonna be the guy to get us out of the gutter. I feel like he's got it between the ears. Who knows. But I got a really good strong feeling about him and us. It sure would be wild here, divisive almost like Daniel Jones already, only Sy is on board with him unlike Jones. Sy's analysis of Jones predraft was prophetic
The Giants are not trading up to draft McCarthy. If anything they would trade down.
To say this at all is com0letely silly. To say it before the combine/pro day is utterly laughable.
If the Giants like him a lot after BD and Schoen interview him, they might have to swap with Zona because it would be very likely that other teams like him too. This kid is skyrocketing up boards and has every single tangible trait a team would look for in a QB, plus he's young, plus he has won consistently. I honestly don't see how the Giants can take any of the 4 qbs in the 1st round without trading up at all.
With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
I would love it if we only gave up our 3rd, or thereabouts, but all bets are off when it comes to a QB. The Jets traded three 2nd round picks to move up from #6 to #3 overall a few years back to take Darnold (lol).
Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Thank you Sy! This is a great thread. Lots to unpack here.
1 - I'm fascinated by what the new Commanders brass might want in their QB. The classic QB build in Maye or the high performing guy in Daniels with the thinner upper body.
2 - It shouldn't be surprising to anyone but casuals that Daniels's upper body is a question mark. How much of a difference would a single season of an NFL strength & conditioning program gonna actually do for him? His upper body dimensions aren't gonna get any wider (look what happened to the kid the Colts took from Florida last year). Fascinating.
Mr personally, I'll take the classic NFL prototypical QB build in Maye. He'll last longer, but who the heck am I at the end of the day? I hope the Commanders take Daniels and the Pats take McCarthy. McCarthy is someone I can see putting on some weight after a season and being able to take the pounding and rigors of a strenuous NFL season.
857 yards, 126 attempts, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs/1 INT.
In the national championship game, JJMac was ordinary at best: 10/18, 140 yards, 0/0. He was basically a passenger that night. The defense and run game were the reasons Michigan rolled UDub.
While he did have 3 TDs in the semi-final game v Bama, those TDs were very short throws. The average air distance was 8 yards. On the 38-yarder to Morris, for example, McCarthy threw the ball about ten yards and Morris puts up about 30 yards in YAC.
The game tying TD to Wilson is a two-yard toss. On that same drive, he had a nice pass play to Wilson, who made a leaping grab and then ran an additional 15+ yards.
In the Big Ten game against Iowa, McCarthy was, again, very ordinary. No TDs, < 5 YPA.
He was solid against Ohio State, but god-awful against Maryland.
So, he is a very mixed bag for sure.
Preach
Never has been before
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
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Sy - let’s say Giants stay at 6. Draft has gone: Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Alt. Who do Giants take at 6?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
Fuaga intrigues me as OL2 in this class
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trades for Fields. The further back any suiters are, the more leverage we have with our #6 in a deal.
Between the Falcons, Patriots, Vikings, Broncos and Raiders. There is strong chance two of those teams acquires Cousins and Fields.
Great points by both posters.
It seems Sean Payton and Russel Wilson are headed for a divorce in Denver too, if I'm not mistaken. Here's how I think things go:
Falcons - trade for Fields before the draft
Cousins might go to the Vikings or Raiders
I think the Broncos draft Nix if they can.
Picks 11 through 13 are as follows:
11 - Minny
12 - Denver
13 - Da Raidahs
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16 - Seattle - Look out for the Seahawks too.
There are rumors floating around about Fields to the Steelers too and even Wilson to the Steelers.
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Sy - let’s say Giants stay at 6. Draft has gone: Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Alt. Who do Giants take at 6?
Odunze or McCarthy or Fashanu or Nabers
Fuaga intrigues me as OL2 in this class
The Jets apparently love Fuaga Mike at 10.
Never has been before
Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes say hello.
JJs short TDs are no less impressive than long throws. They represent good decisions and good throws.
I'm good with JJ at 6.
Of the top 4 QBs, Williams is the one that scares me the most.
This is exactly where I am.
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Guarantees
IMHO
Look at JJs # vs very good to excellent Defenses..
Which in the Big 10 were few and far between.
He had 1 good drive Vs Bama...
Penn St
Ohio St
Nothing burgers
where is this hype coming from????
The big 10 had the best four of the best 5 defenses in the NCAA last year.
Why do you just look at stats to judge a player? You’re becoming stale and a bore at this point.
I was surprised to read that nugget about Big 10 defenses.
Wonder if that was mostly the result of Big 10 offenses being awful including a lot of the QB play, and they got to play each other.
Never has been before
The Draft is all about projection. What do you mean?
If the Giants do draft him then bring some of the Michigan playbook with him. Love to see the Giants build a top running game via the RB's. More QB under center w/ heavy play action and less QB runs.
I only saw a half of Maye so not sure what to think of him but I can see teams liking his size arm physical attributes.
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
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to love all the JJ hate now being switched to love on this site.
We are fans of the NY Giants. What are fans supposed to do? Root against him if the Giants draft him?
That is a really stupid post by Amtoft. Ryankeane level “I am a better fan than you because I love the QB more than you!!!!”
The fact that some posters can’t understand the difference between liking/not liking certain prospects vs. rooting for them when they become Giants is surprising for anyone older than 12.
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trades for Fields. The further back any suiters are, the more leverage we have with our #6 in a deal.
Between the Falcons, Patriots, Vikings, Broncos and Raiders. There is strong chance two of those teams acquires Cousins and Fields.
Great points by both posters.
It seems Sean Payton and Russel Wilson are headed for a divorce in Denver too, if I'm not mistaken. Here's how I think things go:
Falcons - trade for Fields before the draft
Cousins might go to the Vikings or Raiders
I think the Broncos draft Nix if they can.
Picks 11 through 13 are as follows:
11 - Minny
12 - Denver
13 - Da Raidahs
.
.
.
16 - Seattle - Look out for the Seahawks too.
There are rumors floating around about Fields to the Steelers too and even Wilson to the Steelers.
the broncos/wilson situation is going to be interesting - i think albright reported payton loves mccarthy but they dont think they can get him.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
No thanks.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
McCarthy sounds like the more versatile player based on Sy's observations.
I haven't had a strong feeling like I do about McCarthy and the Giants since Hakeem Nicks, that worked out pretty well. It got us a super bowl and he would've been a HOFer if he didn't get injured.
I just feel like he's gonna be the guy to get us out of the gutter. I feel like he's got it between the ears. Who knows. But I got a really good strong feeling about him and us. It sure would be wild here, divisive almost like Daniel Jones already, only Sy is on board with him unlike Jones. Sy's analysis of Jones predraft was prophetic
One of them will be there at 4. I'm not so sure about 6 with the Chargers at 5 not needing a QB and at least 3 other clubs wanting\needing a young QB.
To say this at all is com0letely silly. To say it before the combine/pro day is utterly laughable.
If the Giants like him a lot after BD and Schoen interview him, they might have to swap with Zona because it would be very likely that other teams like him too. This kid is skyrocketing up boards and has every single tangible trait a team would look for in a QB, plus he's young, plus he has won consistently. I honestly don't see how the Giants can take any of the 4 qbs in the 1st round without trading up at all.
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With 2 picks on the top 100 makes it difficult for them to move up, especially from 12th overall.
Giants may just need to go up to 4 or 5 to secure a QB.
We might have to give up one or both of our second rounders this year in order to do that.
Value chart says differently but it all depends on negotiations. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp - ( New Window )
I would love it if we only gave up our 3rd, or thereabouts, but all bets are off when it comes to a QB. The Jets traded three 2nd round picks to move up from #6 to #3 overall a few years back to take Darnold (lol).
Maybe from your perspective, but it appears many professionals think otherwise. I wonder who is right? Time will tell.
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Excellent video with lots of food for thought.
Question though - Assuming the Bears take Williams first overall, do you see Daniels possibly going second to the Commanders??
I am still doing some work on what the new brass would like based on historical trends.
My gut says yes - Daniels is very much in play BUT I do know for a fact some in the league want nothing to do with the body type. As crazy as it sounds - it really bothers some.
Thank you Sy! This is a great thread. Lots to unpack here.
1 - I'm fascinated by what the new Commanders brass might want in their QB. The classic QB build in Maye or the high performing guy in Daniels with the thinner upper body.
2 - It shouldn't be surprising to anyone but casuals that Daniels's upper body is a question mark. How much of a difference would a single season of an NFL strength & conditioning program gonna actually do for him? His upper body dimensions aren't gonna get any wider (look what happened to the kid the Colts took from Florida last year). Fascinating.
Mr personally, I'll take the classic NFL prototypical QB build in Maye. He'll last longer, but who the heck am I at the end of the day? I hope the Commanders take Daniels and the Pats take McCarthy. McCarthy is someone I can see putting on some weight after a season and being able to take the pounding and rigors of a strenuous NFL season.