Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
Tier 1: Williams
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Tier 2. Maye/Daniels/McCarthy
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Tier 3: Nix
Tier 4: Penix
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Tier 5: Rattler/Pratt/Milton/Travis
Tier 6: Hartman/Slovis/Sanders/Leary/Reed etc |
Allbright has been saying the league is much higher on McCarthy than the fans. Allbright also was early on calling Jones to NYG in 2019.
If NYG likes McCarthy or any of Maye/Daniels/McCarthy they'll need to still trade up imo to 4 or 5. You can't bank on another team in need of a QB not trading up to the Chargers spot to jump NYG.
Combine should add some more clarity here.
He can reset with a rookie QB contract, get some huge draft capital, and coach - again - a transcendent talent like McCarthy.
I hope the hype is real as that could increase the odds of Big Blue selecting one of the 4 QBs. If of course JS and Dabs see these 4 as legit franchise QB prospects. It’s lying season so it’ll be a couple of months before we know for sure.
He's just more liked by scouts and coaches than Joes who don't watch coaches tape, watch him in any pro day or combine, or interview him.
He's just more liked by scouts and coaches than Joes who don't watch coaches tape, watch him in any pro day or combine, or interview him.
There's going to a lot of eyes on his pro day.
He's just more liked by scouts and coaches than Joes who don't watch coaches tape, watch him in any pro day or combine, or interview him.
He's rising in the sense that the public is catching up to the NFL. The NFL scouts/teams already have been high on him
My hope is that the Pats fall in love with McCarthy just enough, so that they can be convinced to trade back with the Giants, and NY gets QB-3.
The Pats may be able to sell JJ to their fans (since he's a Michigan QB, like Brady) a bit better than they could Daniels.
I really don't want the Giants to settle for McCarthy.
One or two of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Rattler, Nix, Penix, and Pratt will become franchise QBs. A few others will be journeyman backups, and the rest will be out of the league in three or four years.
I still think #6 is too high for McCarthy, but I won't "throw the remote" if the Giants draft him at that spot. But the one thing we shouldn't do is trade up for any QB. The cost will be too high, and this QB class IMO is overrated and overhyped. Stand pat or trade down.
But now I've grown entrenched in that we have 6 chances for a QB. Even if CW, JD and DM are gone - there should be no excuses to not get one of the other QBs. I can't believe all 3 will be mediocre-or-bust. Possible ofc but not the way SY is talking about JJM at least and what I've been listening to from other means so far - not just SY.
My hope is that the Pats fall in love with McCarthy just enough, so that they can be convinced to trade back with the Giants, and NY gets QB-3.
The Pats may be able to sell JJ to their fans (since he's a Michigan QB, like Brady) a bit better than they could Daniels.
I really don't want the Giants to settle for McCarthy.
I'm sure the Pats fanbase would love a QB with such a solidly Irish surname. Unfortunately so will our ownership team.
One or two of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Rattler, Nix, Penix, and Pratt will become franchise QBs. A few others will be journeyman backups, and the rest will be out of the league in three or four years.
I still think #6 is too high for McCarthy, but I won't "throw the remote" if the Giants draft him at that spot. But the one thing we shouldn't do is trade up for any QB. The cost will be too high, and this QB class IMO is overrated and overhyped. Stand pat or trade down.
I think the language we use is misleading. McCarthy isn't "rising", it's that teams clearly have a different opinion than the media scouting community, and we're only hearing about it now because it's draft season. It's quite possible that those who think highly of him end up being wrong, but this notion of "rising" is inaccurate yet constantly perpetuating at draft time bc I drives conversations.
One or two of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Rattler, Nix, Penix, and Pratt will become franchise QBs. A few others will be journeyman backups, and the rest will be out of the league in three or four years.
I still think #6 is too high for McCarthy, but I won't "throw the remote" if the Giants draft him at that spot. But the one thing we shouldn't do is trade up for any QB. The cost will be too high, and this QB class IMO is overrated and overhyped. Stand pat or trade down.
Again all he does is win. He is a winner and he knows how to run a pro offense. Something the others don't do.
So you admit you don’t know much but just enough to not being moved by him? What does that mean?
Sy said its very close but if he had the choice between the two it's McCarthy.
They would have 129 million in dead cap?
Because he isn't convinced JJ will be as good as Herbert. If he did. He would. JJ is a big projection. Slim and not a lot of video of high level play.
Why not. Some of the more fervent loons here already have Williams on Mahomes level.
The same people here slobber all over Herbert but hate Lawrence. Like Herbert has won anything either. There are more schizophrenics here than any mental ward.
One or two of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Rattler, Nix, Penix, and Pratt will become franchise QBs. A few others will be journeyman backups, and the rest will be out of the league in three or four years.
I still think #6 is too high for McCarthy, but I won't "throw the remote" if the Giants draft him at that spot. But the one thing we shouldn't do is trade up for any QB. The cost will be too high, and this QB class IMO is overrated and overhyped. Stand pat or trade down.
This. Very well said
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why isn’t Harbaugh drafting him?
Because he isn't convinced JJ will be as good as Herbert. If he did. He would. JJ is a big projection. Slim and not a lot of video of high level play.
I'm not saying he would get rid if their franchise qb, but it isn't even an option. Moving him would result in 129 million in dead cap. It is not possible.
If JJ does the QB drills, I think he’s going to kill it.
Someone will say he should be 1st overall. Book it!
I facetiously made the same suggestion earlier in the thread.
"...and he's only 21..." is becoming the BBI rallying cry...
Meanwhile, Maye is 6'4", 230, athletic and he can make every throw on the planet.
If only he was 21, a Michigan Man, played for Harbaugh, meditated, and could yell, "Who has it better than we do? Noooooobody!..." ;)
If JJ does the QB drills, I think he’s going to kill it.
Someone will say he should be 1st overall. Book it!
Someone did say it - Jim Harbaugh
At this point though, it looks like there will be a highly regarded option for us at 6. I also like Penix and could live with Nix. It’s a crapshoot, I feel. All are far more talented than what we have, so that’s good enough for me. We need to upgrade the most important position and turn the page from DJ.
I believe they are locked in with Herbert to the tune of 129 million in dead cap. No chance.
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same scouts, teams, front offices, general managers, and possibly owners causing McCarthy to rise so quickly were wrong about Sam Darnold, Trey Lance, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, and many others.
One or two of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Rattler, Nix, Penix, and Pratt will become franchise QBs. A few others will be journeyman backups, and the rest will be out of the league in three or four years.
I still think #6 is too high for McCarthy, but I won't "throw the remote" if the Giants draft him at that spot. But the one thing we shouldn't do is trade up for any QB. The cost will be too high, and this QB class IMO is overrated and overhyped. Stand pat or trade down.
This. Very well said
Well said perhaps but what exactly is he saying? Scouts are wrong and the odds are low? Well sure, we all know that. Doesn't change the idea that McCarthy isn't "rising", rather its draft season so the actual teams opinions are becoming known as opposed to only the media scouting community. This gives the appearance of "rising stock" and drives conversation but its all window dressing.
Alex Smith lite is what we have now
At this point though, it looks like there will be a highly regarded option for us at 6. I also like Penix and could live with Nix. It’s a crapshoot, I feel. All are far more talented than what we have, so that’s good enough for me. We need to upgrade the most important position and turn the page from DJ.
You're judging the conservative playbook the Michigan Wolverines ran. They had very little to work with outside JJ and Corum. Their pass protection was suspect at best. Go re-watch the Penn State game if interested in seeing how bad it could have been. He did make tough throws and he did make great, impressive throws when scrambling and keeping his eyes downfield. He's also going to run a good time. He's a great athlete and, I bet, someone who Daboll would like to mold as his own.
Penix has a serious injury history and can't run at all.
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will be accumulating Hall of Fame votes here very soon.
Why not. Some of the more fervent loons here already have Williams on Mahomes level.
The same people here slobber all over Herbert but hate Lawrence. Like Herbert has won anything either. There are more schizophrenics here than any mental ward.
grade A observation and reply placement.
mccarthy is clustered around a lot of good comparisons to prior years.
penix and nix are in the "kept remarkably clean in college" box, which is sort of notable because a lot of the people in that box seemed to have trouble dealing with pressure when they got to the NFL.