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Joe Alt

AROCK1000 : 2/24/2024 11:15 am
He seems to be the consensus top OL in the draft,and will likely be there at 6.
Are you ok with the fact that he played LT,can a guy switch over to the right side and be as effective?
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bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/24/2024 4:44 pm : link
the only OL I would draft in the top 10 would be a LT.

I also think that is pretty much conventional wisdom.

RE: No I don’t want Alt  
5BowlsSoon : 2/24/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16406904 Breeze_94 said:
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I’m sure he’ll be a very good LT, it’s nothing about the player.

The issue I have is you are drafting a guy that high to play him out of his natural position. That adds risk - as you are projecting he can make the transition. Not as easy as people make it seem.

The other issue I have - while both tackle positions are valuable, RT is still significantly less valuable based on top contracts for each position. So the positional value of Alt takes a hit if the giants pick him.

Finally, Neal was a high pick just 2 years ago. Very similar scenario. Coaching and injuries have held him back. I think he can still develop into a starting caliber player.


It is good to keep hoping for Neal to improve. New coach should help…can’t hurt. I listen to Sy though because he seems to know more than most fans here…he seems to think Neal has serious fundamental problems and has had them before drafted.

Like I said, it is good to hope and we do have a new coach……let us pray….
Eric  
DonnieD89 : 2/24/2024 5:16 pm : link
I 100% agree with you. You draft a QB, WR, LT, ER, CB, and maybe a DT in the top 10. These positions will command lots of money after 4 to 5 years. This is your core positional roster.
My opinion...  
Milton : 2/24/2024 5:18 pm : link
The problem with the Neal pick isn't that it was used on a prospect projected as a right tackle on the Giants, it's that he hasn't delivered on the expectations. If he played at a Pro Bowl level on the right side like they envisioned, we'd be loving it; but it's easier to forgive being wrong about a left tackle than it is about a right tackle.
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 2/24/2024 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16407169 Eric from BBI said:
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the only OL I would draft in the top 10 would be a LT.

I also think that is pretty much conventional wisdom.


I think a case can be made that every OL position is now a premium spot. And that's because there is a scarcity with the position as the pipeline produces less and less quality.

So, if you can get grab a great prospect, especially one that is multiple, you should seriously consider it.
BW  
AROCK1000 : 2/24/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16407203 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16407169 Eric from BBI said:


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the only OL I would draft in the top 10 would be a LT.

I also think that is pretty much conventional wisdom.




I think a case can be made that every OL position is now a premium spot. And that's because there is a scarcity with the position as the pipeline produces less and less quality.

So, if you can get grab a great prospect, especially one that is multiple, you should seriously consider it.

Excellent point...
I am not even sold on drafting Alt,I personally prefer to trade back and get more picks....but Alt would be a great addition...especially if Neal can be moved to G
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/24/2024 6:13 pm : link
I'm still not going to throw in the towel on Neal, but its getting late.
Neal  
AROCK1000 : 2/24/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16407227 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm still not going to throw in the towel on Neal, but its getting late.

About the 13th round...and he is cut badly
Willing to give the new OL coach a chance with Neal  
Blue Dog : 2/24/2024 6:28 pm : link
I wager Schoen and Daboll are as well.
RE: No I don’t want Alt  
5BowlsSoon : 2/25/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16406904 Breeze_94 said:
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I’m sure he’ll be a very good LT, it’s nothing about the player.

The issue I have is you are drafting a guy that high to play him out of his natural position. That adds risk - as you are projecting he can make the transition. Not as easy as people make it seem.

The other issue I have - while both tackle positions are valuable, RT is still significantly less valuable based on top contracts for each position. So the positional value of Alt takes a hit if the giants pick him.

Finally, Neal was a high pick just 2 years ago. Very similar scenario. Coaching and injuries have held him back. I think he can still develop into a starting caliber player.


I believe OL is still our #1 priority.
OL is a priority  
JonC : 2/25/2024 10:37 am : link
but that doesn't mean it is draft priority at #6.
RE: Neal  
section125 : 2/25/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16407231 AROCK1000 said:
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In comment 16407227 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm still not going to throw in the towel on Neal, but its getting late.


About the 13th round...and he is cut badly


Hardly. Besides, they only go 12 rounds now, IIRC.
125  
AROCK1000 : 2/25/2024 11:01 am : link
In comment 16407508 section125 said:
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In comment 16407231 AROCK1000 said:


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In comment 16407227 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm still not going to throw in the towel on Neal, but its getting late.


About the 13th round...and he is cut badly



Hardly. Besides, they only go 12 rounds now, IIRC.

im old skool
lol
RE: BW  
Milton : 2/25/2024 1:46 pm : link
In comment 16407225 AROCK1000 said:
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if you can get grab a great prospect, especially one that is multiple, you should seriously consider it.


Excellent point...
I am not even sold on drafting Alt,I personally prefer to trade back and get more picks....but Alt would be a great addition...especially if Neal can be moved to G
Except Alt isn't a great prospect, he's a good one. There will be better prospects available with the 6th overall pick.
Yes  
jeff57 : 2/25/2024 3:53 pm : link
I don’t have a problem with it, or taking him at 6. Depending on who else is on the board.
if Schoen drafts a tackle at 6  
Dave on the UWS : 2/25/2024 4:07 pm : link
with probably a QB AND a stud WR available, NFL (not for long) will apply to his tenure here.
RE: RE: Taking the perceived best player at the spot  
cosmicj : 2/25/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16407112 ryanmkeane said:
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Is what led the Giants to take Saqoun.


And he ended up being a better pro than Darnold and Josh Rosen, and is one of the best weapons in football. Why was Barkley a bad draft pick again?


Are you serious? Barkley has been at the center of an atrocious offense for half a decade. The pick did nothing for the team.
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