Daniels ranked above Williams.
The Bears could take a QB or a huge package and stay with Fields.
I think the Giants have too many needs to give up the number of picks that would be required to move to #1
I can't see the Patriots or Commanders trading down unless they sign a vet before the draft and I think that is unlikely.
If the Giants like the 4th qb (McCarthy ?) they may have to trade with the Chargers as teams like Atlanta or the Steelers may make offers to the Chargers.
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It probably won't be the first time this year where four go in the top 8, never mind four in the top 5.
I still got it as follows:
JD
CW
JJM
DM
I wouldn't want CW as our qb to be honest. If we had first overall pick I would want a slight trade down to 2 and take JD. I think we are in a good spot. Draft is likely to fall qb 1-2-3 MHJ 4 and then the Chargers will want to trade with us to get an extra 4th and 6th or so and ensure they get their top guy most likely Nabers, Bowers or Alt. They don't get that luxury if they trade down with the Falcons, Vikings, Broncos, Raiders or Seahawks. With so few blue chip building block players, Harbaugh is not going to risk losing his top choice. He will take less draft capital and get his guy by trading down with us, I firmly believe that.
And which one is that?
That Detective is the question.
And exactly how does one draft an "elite QB"? Is it Rosen? Allen? Darnold? You get my point. It's all a crap shoot that can turn out disastrous.
Must have got some of those new MLB pants
It probably won't be the first time this year where four go in the top 8, never mind four in the top 5.
4 qbs in the top 5-6 and another 1-2 in round 1. I think the record for round 1 QB selections was 1983 with 6: Elway, Kelly, Marino, Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien. 3 hall of famers I believe? Unreal
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Two times in NFL history have four quarterbacks been taken in the top 10. Never in history have 4 QBs gone in the top 8.
It probably won't be the first time this year where four go in the top 8, never mind four in the top 5.
4 qbs in the top 5-6 and another 1-2 in round 1. I think the record for round 1 QB selections was 1983 with 6: Elway, Kelly, Marino, Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien. 3 hall of famers I believe? Unreal
I think Jets' fans still mumble Ken freakin' O'Brien in their sleep.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
And which one is that?
That Detective is the question.
Yep - and that is what they get paid to do.
They have Scouts. I can't believe that there would not be a conviction amongst the majority that at least one of the Qb's is going to be elite.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
And exactly how does one draft an "elite QB"? Is it Rosen? Allen? Darnold? You get my point. It's all a crap shoot that can turn out disastrous.
Would you rather get Evan Neal or take a chance at a franchise QB? I know you could also say Kayvon Thibodeaux or a franchise altering QB. In either option, I say go the potential franchise QB, especially in a year with 4 highly graded QBs.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
And exactly how does one draft an "elite QB"? Is it Rosen? Allen? Darnold? You get my point. It's all a crap shoot that can turn out disastrous.
So you would suggest trading out of the first round every year because the picks are too risky? How do you expect to get difference makers - free agency?
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Man, they scout everything nowadays.
Must have got some of those new MLB pants
If we love a QB so much ot move up - wouldn't there be a good chance New England would love that same QB? If Draft Picks aren't that imporant for us to get a QB, why would they be important to New England vs getting a QB?
No stones unturned!
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Two times in NFL history have four quarterbacks been taken in the top 10. Never in history have 4 QBs gone in the top 8.
It probably won't be the first time this year where four go in the top 8, never mind four in the top 5.
4 qbs in the top 5-6 and another 1-2 in round 1. I think the record for round 1 QB selections was 1983 with 6: Elway, Kelly, Marino, Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien. 3 hall of famers I believe? Unreal
I think Jets' fans still mumble Ken freakin' O'Brien in their sleep.
Pats picked Tony Eason passing on Marino before the Jets. 7 Hall of Famers altogether in that draft. That's serious.
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Man, they scout everything nowadays.
No stones unturned!
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Take who falls to you and save your draft capital.
Ask if they can have a last look. SD would likely prefer to trade with NY because it is only a 1 spot drop.
Big Energy is key to QB play. Especially under center.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
And exactly how does one draft an "elite QB"? Is it Rosen? Allen? Darnold? You get my point. It's all a crap shoot that can turn out disastrous.
You do as much homework and investigating as you possibly can, and then, based on that, you make the decision you feel most comfortable with.
You also have to think about the QBs strengths as it fits into your system. Then just pull the trigger and hope like hell you nailed it.
If you have them both within 3 tenths of a point, for example, you probably just sit pat.
I could see AZ not wanting to trade out of 4 because I think they will highly covet MHJ. However, I could also see them move down with Atlanta at 8 and target Nabers or Odunze with that pick and get more capital.
When it comes to the Chargers, I don't think they are going to move. I think they go BPA there (non-QB). Overall, not a bad spot for NYG to be in. But it's going to be really interesting to see what ATL does. I think it would be a really good thing for NYG to see CHI trade Fields to the Falcons.
I could see AZ not wanting to trade out of 4 because I think they will highly covet MHJ. However, I could also see them move down with Atlanta at 8 and target Nabers or Odunze with that pick and get more capital.
When it comes to the Chargers, I don't think they are going to move. I think they go BPA there (non-QB). Overall, not a bad spot for NYG to be in. But it's going to be really interesting to see what ATL does. I think it would be a really good thing for NYG to see CHI trade Fields to the Falcons.
No way AZ trades down with MHJ on the board and then I agree with you that the Chargers are going to be set on one player most likely Alt, Nabers or Bowers in which case we are the only team they would want to trade down with. It is a great spot for us in all likelihood if Schoen and Co like the big 4 then we get one of them.
I could see AZ not wanting to trade out of 4 because I think they will highly covet MHJ. However, I could also see them move down with Atlanta at 8 and target Nabers or Odunze with that pick and get more capital.
When it comes to the Chargers, I don't think they are going to move. I think they go BPA there (non-QB). Overall, not a bad spot for NYG to be in. But it's going to be really interesting to see what ATL does. I think it would be a really good thing for NYG to see CHI trade Fields to the Falcons.
I don't think the Patriots are going to trade down even if they sign a qb then they go MHJ in which case we trade up with AZ instead of Chargers.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
There probably is an elite qb in the draft, a SB winning qb, but how do you know which one? Teams will draft a qb and hope he turns out ot be Mahomes and Fields. The draft is and always has been a crap shoot on which players are can make it in the NFL.
That is why if you have a QB who has not demonstrated after 5 seasons that he is capable of putting his team on his back and be that elite QB you should be looking to draft one as chances are you won’t be in worse shape.
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Two times in NFL history have four quarterbacks been taken in the top 10. Never in history have 4 QBs gone in the top 8.
It probably won't be the first time this year where four go in the top 8, never mind four in the top 5.
4 qbs in the top 5-6 and another 1-2 in round 1. I think the record for round 1 QB selections was 1983 with 6: Elway, Kelly, Marino, Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason and Ken O'Brien. 3 hall of famers I believe? Unreal
I think Jets' fans still mumble Ken freakin' O'Brien in their sleep.
I agree that passing on Marino was a mistake, but I don't think Marino would have had the same success playing in cold and windy Giants Stadium as he had playing in the Orange Bowl.
Daniels has better numbers in efficiency and accuracy at all levels of the field. Lower turnover percentage. He is taller, has a quicker release, better deep ball accuracy. He is a better athlete.
It's great you listed Williams positives. But don't list the fumbles (very concerning), the fact that he is less efficient when pressured, something that will he will likely face more of at the next level.
Yes, there's the big ceiling. He also has the lowest floor of the top four, IMO. He's very polarizing. His range of outcomes is enormous.
One thing you can't take away from Daniels is his explosiveness as a runner. I will say Daniels is a bigger injury risk because of his slighter frame. But if I had to decide between what each player could do with their legs, it's Daniels, and it's not close. Daniels has elite playmaking ability as a runner. Williams has above average traits there, but not elite.
And while you correctly pointed out that Daniels had two elite receivers to throw to, you failed to mention that Daniels played significantly tougher competition as well. While Williams got fat on weak opponents and often didn't impress against mediocre defenses in the PAC 12, Daniels was scorching everyone.
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To have Daniels over Williams. Just pure insanity. I wish this guy was the GM of the bears. My god one year of production with 2 elite WRs and the second best offensive line in the country. Unreal “scouting”. Daniels running ability will be significantly worse at the nfl level. Meanwhile Caleb moves around the field very similarly to mahomes. Makes guys miss in short area has insane agility and maneuverability within the pocket. I can go on and on. If Caleb doesn’t go 1 I’d try very hard to trade up for him or Maye. Let’s all pray Jayden goes off the board first.
Daniels has better numbers in efficiency and accuracy at all levels of the field. Lower turnover percentage. He is taller, has a quicker release, better deep ball accuracy. He is a better athlete.
It's great you listed Williams positives. But don't list the fumbles (very concerning), the fact that he is less efficient when pressured, something that will he will likely face more of at the next level.
Yes, there's the big ceiling. He also has the lowest floor of the top four, IMO. He's very polarizing. His range of outcomes is enormous.
One thing you can't take away from Daniels is his explosiveness as a runner. I will say Daniels is a bigger injury risk because of his slighter frame. But if I had to decide between what each player could do with their legs, it's Daniels, and it's not close. Daniels has elite playmaking ability as a runner. Williams has above average traits there, but not elite.
And while you correctly pointed out that Daniels had two elite receivers to throw to, you failed to mention that Daniels played significantly tougher competition as well. While Williams got fat on weak opponents and often didn't impress against mediocre defenses in the PAC 12, Daniels was scorching everyone.
Williams has the quicker release and is more accurate all over the field. Daniels can't touch Williams as a passer. Because of his elite passing traits Williams has the most solid floor. He has more to lean on as a passer than any of the top 4. That's why he's going #1. You can share all your hot takes on Williams til you're blue in the face. This will all become obvious when they step on an NFL field. You'll wonder what you were thinking. Elite passing traits trump everything else about these QBs. By the way, still think Daniels has a 50% shot to go #1? It's still more likely he will fall to #6 to the Giants than he is to go #1.
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To have Daniels over Williams. Just pure insanity. I wish this guy was the GM of the bears. My god one year of production with 2 elite WRs and the second best offensive line in the country. Unreal “scouting”. Daniels running ability will be significantly worse at the nfl level. Meanwhile Caleb moves around the field very similarly to mahomes. Makes guys miss in short area has insane agility and maneuverability within the pocket. I can go on and on. If Caleb doesn’t go 1 I’d try very hard to trade up for him or Maye. Let’s all pray Jayden goes off the board first.
Daniels has better numbers in efficiency and accuracy at all levels of the field. Lower turnover percentage. He is taller, has a quicker release, better deep ball accuracy. He is a better athlete.
It's great you listed Williams positives. But don't list the fumbles (very concerning), the fact that he is less efficient when pressured, something that will he will likely face more of at the next level.
Yes, there's the big ceiling. He also has the lowest floor of the top four, IMO. He's very polarizing. His range of outcomes is enormous.
One thing you can't take away from Daniels is his explosiveness as a runner. I will say Daniels is a bigger injury risk because of his slighter frame. But if I had to decide between what each player could do with their legs, it's Daniels, and it's not close. Daniels has elite playmaking ability as a runner. Williams has above average traits there, but not elite.
And while you correctly pointed out that Daniels had two elite receivers to throw to, you failed to mention that Daniels played significantly tougher competition as well. While Williams got fat on weak opponents and often didn't impress against mediocre defenses in the PAC 12, Daniels was scorching everyone.
Williams has the quicker release and is more accurate all over the field. Daniels can't touch Williams as a passer. Because of his elite passing traits Williams has the most solid floor. He has more to lean on as a passer than any of the top 4. That's why he's going #1. You can share all your hot takes on Williams til you're blue in the face. This will all become obvious when they step on an NFL field. You'll wonder what you were thinking. Elite passing traits trump everything else about these QBs. By the way, still think Daniels has a 50% shot to go #1? It's still more likely he will fall to #6 to the Giants than he is to go #1.
The numbers do not back that up. Despite playing significantly better defenses, Daniels beat Williams in Completion Percentage, Y/A, AY/A, had more TD with fewer INT, Efficiency rating, and that does not include what he brings to the table as a runner or Williams’s propensity for fumbles.
Williams has a better arm in terms of power and throwing from different arm slots, but the drop in production over the final 7 games of 2023 was quite stark.
There are plenty of warning signs that Williams has the lower floor. Daniels is more likely to fall to 6 because teams chase upside and often overestimate their ability to teach players how to rectify their flaws. Daniels you know what you are getting, but if you are able to give Williams the tool box for his tools he can be the better QB. Ourlads and others are questioning whether that tool box is even possible to create with Williams.
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To have Daniels over Williams. Just pure insanity. I wish this guy was the GM of the bears. My god one year of production with 2 elite WRs and the second best offensive line in the country. Unreal “scouting”. Daniels running ability will be significantly worse at the nfl level. Meanwhile Caleb moves around the field very similarly to mahomes. Makes guys miss in short area has insane agility and maneuverability within the pocket. I can go on and on. If Caleb doesn’t go 1 I’d try very hard to trade up for him or Maye. Let’s all pray Jayden goes off the board first.
Daniels has better numbers in efficiency and accuracy at all levels of the field. Lower turnover percentage. He is taller, has a quicker release, better deep ball accuracy. He is a better athlete.
It's great you listed Williams positives. But don't list the fumbles (very concerning), the fact that he is less efficient when pressured, something that will he will likely face more of at the next level.
Yes, there's the big ceiling. He also has the lowest floor of the top four, IMO. He's very polarizing. His range of outcomes is enormous.
One thing you can't take away from Daniels is his explosiveness as a runner. I will say Daniels is a bigger injury risk because of his slighter frame. But if I had to decide between what each player could do with their legs, it's Daniels, and it's not close. Daniels has elite playmaking ability as a runner. Williams has above average traits there, but not elite.
And while you correctly pointed out that Daniels had two elite receivers to throw to, you failed to mention that Daniels played significantly tougher competition as well. While Williams got fat on weak opponents and often didn't impress against mediocre defenses in the PAC 12, Daniels was scorching everyone.
Williams has the quicker release and is more accurate all over the field. Daniels can't touch Williams as a passer. Because of his elite passing traits Williams has the most solid floor. He has more to lean on as a passer than any of the top 4. That's why he's going #1. You can share all your hot takes on Williams til you're blue in the face. This will all become obvious when they step on an NFL field. You'll wonder what you were thinking. Elite passing traits trump everything else about these QBs. By the way, still think Daniels has a 50% shot to go #1? It's still more likely he will fall to #6 to the Giants than he is to go #1.
The numbers do not back that up. Despite playing significantly better defenses, Daniels beat Williams in Completion Percentage, Y/A, AY/A, had more TD with fewer INT, Efficiency rating, and that does not include what he brings to the table as a runner or Williams’s propensity for fumbles.
Williams has a better arm in terms of power and throwing from different arm slots, but the drop in production over the final 7 games of 2023 was quite stark.
There are plenty of warning signs that Williams has the lower floor. Daniels is more likely to fall to 6 because teams chase upside and often overestimate their ability to teach players how to rectify their flaws. Daniels you know what you are getting, but if you are able to give Williams the tool box for his tools he can be the better QB. Ourlads and others are questioning whether that tool box is even possible to create with Williams.
College stats don't matter. Traits matter. Daniels beat up on a bunch of bad defenses with two top 20 WRs, Nabers will be top 6.
Ourlads is basically on an island. Almost all the draft analysts who have done deep dives have concluded Williams is far ahead of the field. I've posted many of them here.
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To have Daniels over Williams. Just pure insanity. I wish this guy was the GM of the bears. My god one year of production with 2 elite WRs and the second best offensive line in the country. Unreal “scouting”. Daniels running ability will be significantly worse at the nfl level. Meanwhile Caleb moves around the field very similarly to mahomes. Makes guys miss in short area has insane agility and maneuverability within the pocket. I can go on and on. If Caleb doesn’t go 1 I’d try very hard to trade up for him or Maye. Let’s all pray Jayden goes off the board first.
Daniels has better numbers in efficiency and accuracy at all levels of the field. Lower turnover percentage. He is taller, has a quicker release, better deep ball accuracy. He is a better athlete.
It's great you listed Williams positives. But don't list the fumbles (very concerning), the fact that he is less efficient when pressured, something that will he will likely face more of at the next level.
Yes, there's the big ceiling. He also has the lowest floor of the top four, IMO. He's very polarizing. His range of outcomes is enormous.
One thing you can't take away from Daniels is his explosiveness as a runner. I will say Daniels is a bigger injury risk because of his slighter frame. But if I had to decide between what each player could do with their legs, it's Daniels, and it's not close. Daniels has elite playmaking ability as a runner. Williams has above average traits there, but not elite.
And while you correctly pointed out that Daniels had two elite receivers to throw to, you failed to mention that Daniels played significantly tougher competition as well. While Williams got fat on weak opponents and often didn't impress against mediocre defenses in the PAC 12, Daniels was scorching everyone.
Williams has the quicker release and is more accurate all over the field. Daniels can't touch Williams as a passer. Because of his elite passing traits Williams has the most solid floor. He has more to lean on as a passer than any of the top 4. That's why he's going #1. You can share all your hot takes on Williams til you're blue in the face. This will all become obvious when they step on an NFL field. You'll wonder what you were thinking. Elite passing traits trump everything else about these QBs. By the way, still think Daniels has a 50% shot to go #1? It's still more likely he will fall to #6 to the Giants than he is to go #1.
The numbers do not back that up. Despite playing significantly better defenses, Daniels beat Williams in Completion Percentage, Y/A, AY/A, had more TD with fewer INT, Efficiency rating, and that does not include what he brings to the table as a runner or Williams’s propensity for fumbles.
Williams has a better arm in terms of power and throwing from different arm slots, but the drop in production over the final 7 games of 2023 was quite stark.
There are plenty of warning signs that Williams has the lower floor. Daniels is more likely to fall to 6 because teams chase upside and often overestimate their ability to teach players how to rectify their flaws. Daniels you know what you are getting, but if you are able to give Williams the tool box for his tools he can be the better QB. Ourlads and others are questioning whether that tool box is even possible to create with Williams.
College stats don't matter. Traits matter. Daniels beat up on a bunch of bad defenses with two top 20 WRs, Nabers will be top 6.
Ourlads is basically on an island. Almost all the draft analysts who have done deep dives have concluded Williams is far ahead of the field. I've posted many of them here.
Jeff George had traits. Ryan Leaf had traits. Justin Fields has traits. Daniels posted his numbers against Top 30 D’s whereas the bulk of Williams’s production was against Little Sisters of the Poor University. When he got into the difficult part of his schedule he looked rather pedestrian as USC went 2-5.
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That there isn't one elite QB in the Draft. The Bears need to draft the ELite QB then they are set next 10-15 years.
And exactly how does one draft an "elite QB"? Is it Rosen? Allen? Darnold? You get my point. It's all a crap shoot that can turn out disastrous.
It sure as fuck isn't Jones.