"Once you get paid that amount of money as a Quarterback you cant blame things on everybody else...You're the guy and you have to find a way to deliver"
Because he was tough, had great work ethic, generally had great ball placement, and most importantly a terrible supporting cast which makes you think what if.
This year he missed multiple games again and once again was unable to make plays while not continuously turning it over which appears to stem from slower processing which is what we've heard since draft night.
Maybe it would've been different for him in a better situation but continuing to think this is his year is the definition of insanity. The offense not only didn't look substantially worse without Jones it actually looked better at times.
If you still think next year is his year, but laugh at Cowboy fans for saying "this year is our year" you really need some introspection. DJ will never be more than a middling back up and the sooner you admit that the sooner you'll stop being disappointed.
He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
I don't think his deficits are related to anything physically (well injury problems yeah), but his big problem has always been how his mind works in the pocket. Sy saw it on his tape as a prospect and it's still the same. He doesn't have a quick, intuitive mind required to be a franchise qb in the league.
He hasn't blamed anyone else, but there are an allegiance of fans who have, myself included. But Jones himself hasn't done nothing but act professional.
He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
I don't think his deficits are related to anything physically (well injury problems yeah), but his big problem has always been how his mind works in the pocket. Sy saw it on his tape as a prospect and it's still the same. He doesn't have a quick, intuitive mind required to be a franchise qb in the league.
He has athletic aka physical limitations,
too. He's not consistent in anything he does. He struggles with accuracy to leverage points. He doesn't anticipate well in the pocket. He lacks awareness and sense. And more. These are things great athletes do well. Why is Steph Curry a monstrous 3 point shooter. It's not only mental. His consistency is a physical gift.
I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
Lamar is a top paid QB and we have non-Raven fans making excuses for him and his piss play in the playoffs.
Yep. Don't forget Justin Herbert, how'd he look this year?
lol. Herbert played injured all season. His weapons and OLine were the same as they’ve always been. Do you really want to compwhat Herbert has done in the league with your boy Jones? There isn’t ONE person in any capacity in the NFL that would take Jones over Herbert. Just fucking stop, clown.
Says Jones is or has been better than Herbs or Lamar. But the same group who bitch about Daniel are the first ones to blubber out excuses for Lamar or Herbs.
Says Jones is or has been better than Herbs or Lamar. But the same group who bitch about Daniel are the first ones to blubber out excuses for Lamar or Herbs.
Let me explain what goes on.
Players like Herbert and LJax are incredibly gifted; and they have been super-productive from the get-go. Unlike Jones.
So, when guys like that are struggling, you can usually conclude it's something outside of their play. Not all of the time, but usually.
I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Let's say for example if you asked a random Lions fan who is better...Herbert or DJ...they'd laugh @ the absurdity of the question. No one-except card carrying members of the DJFC & Jones' closet relatives-thinks Jones can hold a candle to Justin.
'But Jones has a playoff win & Herbert doesn't!'...I can hear the retort already.
I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Herbert’s accomplishments so far outweigh the Minnesota Wild Card game
Says Jones is or has been better than Herbs or Lamar. But the same group who bitch about Daniel are the first ones to blubber out excuses for Lamar or Herbs.
Let me explain what goes on.
Players like Herbert and LJax are incredibly gifted; and they have been super-productive from the get-go. Unlike Jones.
So, when guys like that are struggling, you can usually conclude it's something outside of their play. Not all of the time, but usually.
For Lamar, there has been a consistency and it's that he has consistently come up small in big moments. And he's getting paid well over $40M.
is not paid like a top QB. He is roughly the 10th best paid QB in the NFL. When you consider that some good QBs are still on their rookie deal and some deals were signed before DJ's that ranks him somewhere between 15 and 20 based on how he is paid. I thought that was right in 2022, but he did not play that well in 2023. If you expect the 15th best QB in the NFL to overcome a bad team around him, I think you have misunderstood how the NFL works. I certainly thought and hoped that DJ would become a top 10 QB in 2023. Instead, he got worse. But the idea that he was massively overpaid coming off of his 2022 season just demonstrates a lack of understanding. He got a 2 year $80MM deal, with a team option for two more years at $80MM. You can reasonably argue that he should have only gotten $70 or $75MM guaranteed. Or that it was a mistake to sign him at all. But given the landscape of the NFL QB world, he was not overpaid by a lot, if at all. And the Giants have an easy out next year.
The irony that this thread is full of excuses by false equivalency is rich.
Let's play this game the other way: how would the Ravens look with Daniel Jones at quarterback? How would the Chargers look with Daniel Jones at quarterback?
I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Let's pretend you own an expansion NFL team. Let's pretend you have the choice of two quarterbacks to lead your team. You can pick Justin Herbert or Daniel Jones. Let's say their salaries are identical. Who are you taking ?
They talk about adding all this talent around him like he’s getting paid league min or is in year 2 of a rookie contract. You MIGHT have a case to make if either were the situation.
Once a QB takes up close to 25% of the cap and is in his 5th+ year, all that talk needs to stop. Like years ago.
It was a horrible contract for a slow-processing, mediocre-armed QB who had his best year (the legendary 2022 season) dumping the ball off or scrambling almost all of the time - and now we’re dealing with all the natural fallout of that.
Not sure how that is as missed by some
-Bad OL
-Lack of weapons
Those are the two biggest we hear. To Osi's point, you don't get those reasons cited when you are making $40M AAV.
The DJFC? Excuse after excuse after excuse.
This year he missed multiple games again and once again was unable to make plays while not continuously turning it over which appears to stem from slower processing which is what we've heard since draft night.
Maybe it would've been different for him in a better situation but continuing to think this is his year is the definition of insanity. The offense not only didn't look substantially worse without Jones it actually looked better at times.
If you still think next year is his year, but laugh at Cowboy fans for saying "this year is our year" you really need some introspection. DJ will never be more than a middling back up and the sooner you admit that the sooner you'll stop being disappointed.
The Giants must move on from him.
The Giants must move on from him.
I don't think his deficits are related to anything physically (well injury problems yeah), but his big problem has always been how his mind works in the pocket. Sy saw it on his tape as a prospect and it's still the same. He doesn't have a quick, intuitive mind required to be a franchise qb in the league.
Jones certainly hasn’t, but that hasn’t stopped many from making excuses for him. I think that is what Osi is referring to.
He hasn't blamed anyone else, but there are an allegiance of fans who have, myself included. But Jones himself hasn't done nothing but act professional.
Lamar is a top paid QB and we have non-Raven fans making excuses for him and his piss play in the playoffs.
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He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
I don't think his deficits are related to anything physically (well injury problems yeah), but his big problem has always been how his mind works in the pocket. Sy saw it on his tape as a prospect and it's still the same. He doesn't have a quick, intuitive mind required to be a franchise qb in the league.
He has athletic aka physical limitations,
too. He's not consistent in anything he does. He struggles with accuracy to leverage points. He doesn't anticipate well in the pocket. He lacks awareness and sense. And more. These are things great athletes do well. Why is Steph Curry a monstrous 3 point shooter. It's not only mental. His consistency is a physical gift.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Very simple .
-- DJFC, established 2019
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
Jones hasn't.
He has plenty of morons to do it for him.
People keep doing this and it's not smart, but they always think it's a 'gotcha' checkmate.
Lamar is a top paid QB and we have non-Raven fans making excuses for him and his piss play in the playoffs.
Yep. Don't forget Justin Herbert, how'd he look this year?
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Absolutely not wrong.
Lamar is a top paid QB and we have non-Raven fans making excuses for him and his piss play in the playoffs.
Yep. Don't forget Justin Herbert, how'd he look this year?
lol. Herbert played injured all season. His weapons and OLine were the same as they’ve always been. Do you really want to compwhat Herbert has done in the league with your boy Jones? There isn’t ONE person in any capacity in the NFL that would take Jones over Herbert. Just fucking stop, clown.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
He’s making over $40M per season. So yeah, DO IT!!!!
Yep. Don't forget Justin Herbert, how'd he look this year?
Actually, pretty solid before he got hurt and ended his season. In 12 games, he was 20 TDs/7 INTs, 65% comp%, 7YPA, and 5th in the league in QBR.
Anything else?
Let me explain what goes on.
Players like Herbert and LJax are incredibly gifted; and they have been super-productive from the get-go. Unlike Jones.
So, when guys like that are struggling, you can usually conclude it's something outside of their play. Not all of the time, but usually.
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I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
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I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
He’s making over $40M per season. So yeah, DO IT!!!!
There has to be something around him. Either good skills or a good OL. That's going to be true if Caleb Williams or Drake Maye are here too.
DJ needs to perform or he's gone, we can all agree on that.
'But Jones has a playoff win & Herbert doesn't!'...I can hear the retort already.
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I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Herbert’s accomplishments so far outweigh the Minnesota Wild Card game
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Says Jones is or has been better than Herbs or Lamar. But the same group who bitch about Daniel are the first ones to blubber out excuses for Lamar or Herbs.
Let me explain what goes on.
Players like Herbert and LJax are incredibly gifted; and they have been super-productive from the get-go. Unlike Jones.
So, when guys like that are struggling, you can usually conclude it's something outside of their play. Not all of the time, but usually.
For Lamar, there has been a consistency and it's that he has consistently come up small in big moments. And he's getting paid well over $40M.
ajr, in an open competition, TT would beat out DJ.
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Difference between Jones and Taylor, so he is overpaid by a lot
ajr, in an open competition, TT would beat out DJ.
Fairly easier id think
Let's play this game the other way: how would the Ravens look with Daniel Jones at quarterback? How would the Chargers look with Daniel Jones at quarterback?
Get the heck out of here with that noise.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
oh please, stop with the 'what-aboutism'
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I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Let's pretend you own an expansion NFL team. Let's pretend you have the choice of two quarterbacks to lead your team. You can pick Justin Herbert or Daniel Jones. Let's say their salaries are identical. Who are you taking ?
Once a QB takes up close to 25% of the cap and is in his 5th+ year, all that talk needs to stop. Like years ago.
It was a horrible contract for a slow-processing, mediocre-armed QB who had his best year (the legendary 2022 season) dumping the ball off or scrambling almost all of the time - and now we’re dealing with all the natural fallout of that.