"Once you get paid that amount of money as a Quarterback you cant blame things on everybody else...You're the guy and you have to find a way to deliver"
Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
Osi is talking to the DJFC?? The fictitious group that some of you obsess about and reference several times a week.
You guys probably should step back and see how unhinged you sound. Won't happen - but it should.
Wait, you honestly think it’s “fictitious” that there’s a group of fans that have made excuse after excuse after excuse for Daniel Jones? Because THEY are the ones referred to as the DJFC. It’s just simpler to refer to those people as that than tying out “ the fans that absolutely love Daniel Jones and will stop at nothing to make excuses for him because they’ve somehow convinced themselves that he can someday be better than he’s ever been in his life” every time those fans are being addressed. Osi doesn’t need to know that moniker that BBI created to be talking about that exact group of people.
It’s absolutely astonishing that you would think that anyone was suggesting that Osi thought there was an actual fan club named that and he was targeting that specific “club” rather then the fans with that specific mindset. Incredible
Decline in play from one year to the next than an offensive line that went from a horrible 49 sacks allowed to an historic 85 sacks allowed. Would love to see an elite quarterback play with this line.
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
RE: RE: How is it fictitious? That group certainly exists posting here.
Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
And yet, here you are . Again. Posting on the same exact threads you constantly ridicule others for posting on. I’ve brought this to your attention several times and you always say that you don’t post on threads related to Daniel Jones. The problem is, you actually post on every single one of them. Is there something tricky about the thread title that threw you off? You could have easily stayed away from the thread. Yet, here you are. Again.
As I said before, your self awareness absolutely sucks.
RE: How is it fictitious? That group certainly exists posting here.
Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
RE: RE: How is it fictitious? That group certainly exists posting here.
Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
Haha to 3-4!
You mistakenly typed a dash in your response.
RE: RE: How is it fictitious? That group certainly exists posting here.
Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
I see, you have decided not to renew your membership.
Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
I see, you have decided not to renew your membership.
Decline in play from one year to the next than an offensive line that went from a horrible 49 sacks allowed to an historic 85 sacks allowed. Would love to see an elite quarterback play with this line.
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
Nobody wants to run Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence out of town.
Decline in play from one year to the next than an offensive line that went from a horrible 49 sacks allowed to an historic 85 sacks allowed. Would love to see an elite quarterback play with this line.
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
When will it ever end? He was outplayed by a mediocre journeyman and an undrafted rookie FA. What more do you need to see? You really want to squander another season? Your contention, that we spent so much so we have to see more, is a classic example of sunk cost fallacy. The reason to play Jones rests on does he give us the best chance to grow into a Super Bowl contender, not how much we already spent. This is a basic business principle.
He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
Agree, he seems to be a good kid, works hard but that isn't enough. DJ could be the Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon on a contender, but extremely difficult to build that kind of team with an 85 Bears/2000 Ravens caliber defense. QB with running such a big part of his game combined with the serious injury history means we have to move on, this year or next.
He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
Agree, he seems to be a good kid, works hard but that isn't enough. DJ could be the Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon on a contender, but extremely difficult to build that kind of team with an 85 Bears/2000 Ravens caliber defense. QB with running such a big part of his game combined with the serious injury history means we have to move on, this year or next.
I have to say that McMahon had legit QB NFL passing talent. He didn't need to do much in '85 and then his career was derailed by a horrible dirty move that had no business in football even back then.
I'm not as bearish on Jones as others. I think there's a place for him in the NFL among the 3rd or 4th tier of QBs. Alongside the Brissetts, Taylors, Garapollos of the world.
I don't discount the impact awful pass protection had on him, especially early in the year. And that set the tone for the whole season.
In my view he's simply a guy you can do so much better than, and it's clear as day when watching. He's about as good as Tyrod Taylor.
It reminds me so much of EOL Manning. Go in circles to explain why, but include "not very good" in the evaluation as well.
RE: RE: RE: How is it fictitious? That group certainly exists posting here.
Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
And yet, here you are . Again. Posting on the same exact threads you constantly ridicule others for posting on. I’ve brought this to your attention several times and you always say that you don’t post on threads related to Daniel Jones. The problem is, you actually post on every single one of them. Is there something tricky about the thread title that threw you off? You could have easily stayed away from the thread. Yet, here you are. Again.
As I said before, your self awareness absolutely sucks.
Every single one. I just checked my active thread thst I posted I. And this is my FIRST one. I think this is my first post about Jones in about 2 weeks - haha. How many you at? 500? 1000?
Your awareness or intelligence might be the one thst actually sucks. Keep crying in all these threads. The humor makes my day with the rest of the know it alls.
I'm not as bearish on Jones as others. I think there's a place for him in the NFL among the 3rd or 4th tier of QBs. Alongside the Brissetts, Taylors, Garapollos of the world.
I don't discount the impact awful pass protection had on him, especially early in the year. And that set the tone for the whole season.
In my view he's simply a guy you can do so much better than, and it's clear as day when watching. He's about as good as Tyrod Taylor.
It reminds me so much of EOL Manning. Go in circles to explain why, but include "not very good" in the evaluation as well.
I think you may be doing a disservice to Tyrod! At least Tyrod could semi-move the offense even with the crappy protection, too bad he is so erratic throwing the ball.
Jones has the better arm, but Tyrod just sees the field so much better.
You are probably right in that after the Giants let Jones go, he will hook up with another team as backup.
Is his unwillingness to throw downfield. Janes actually was a decent deep ball thrower in his rookie year and they emphasized it all training camp. But when the bullets were flying for real, Jones froze up and regressed to checkdown king. This is literally the reason he was outperformed by his backups this year. You can't have an effective offense without a vertical passing game.
Is his unwillingness to throw downfield. Janes actually was a decent deep ball thrower in his rookie year and they emphasized it all training camp. But when the bullets were flying for real, Jones froze up and regressed to checkdown king. This is literally the reason he was outperformed by his backups this year. You can't have an effective offense without a vertical passing game.
The rookie field downfield passing was a small sample and probably an exception and not the rule. Warren Sharp posted this the other day:
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Daniel Jones completed just 12-of-36 passes thrown over 10 yards last year
his 33% completion rate was the worst of any QB who was their team's Week 1 starter since 2020
of 129 QBs w 35+ att the last 3 yrs, he ranked:
#128 in comp %
#127 in success rate
#124 in EPA/att
How many people have no reading comprehension skills at all. Clearly Osi was not criticizing Jones for making excuses. If you think that is what is being talked about, you should probably go watch cartoons and let the adults talk. Nobody has ever suggested Jones was blaming others for his failures.
It is interesting how many of the posters who come here and make excuses after excuse for Jones are the same ones who made excuse after excuse for the moron who drafted him. On one hand I admire the complete and total love they feel for anyone the Giants have let into the building at any point in their careers, but you just can’t take what they say seriously. Their affection blinds them to facts.
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He's got the necessary arm, he's got plus legs, he's not scared in the pocket, he doesn't seem mentally phased.
I'd modify that slightly: my impressions have been that, yes, he's not mentally phased as in 'scared', or to use JR's famous expression skittish, but he is phased in that he's tight, uptight at what might or might not unfold for him. He is anything but relaxed looking to me in viewing the defensive positioning and potential OL and playcall audibles; he strikes me as a bit frozen in what he is seeing, or not seeing. Compare his facial muscles with PM, Love, others when at pre-snap LOS, quite a contrast.
and always appreciate words from the great champion Osi.
Osi was very outspoken when they benched Eli. He said he was personally hurt. He went into all the OL issues Eli had to deal with for years and not having enough talent on the outside. The D was not doing its job as well. That "skittish" comment was made after 2013. The first year of the great destruction of the LOS that JR created.
He did say some good things about Jones. Jones for a lot of reasons (and he is one of them) just doesn't have the track record to get the benefit of the doubt imv. We will see what happens soon.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ahh....the DO IT ANYWAYZ argument....
I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Herbert’s accomplishments so far outweigh the Minnesota Wild Card game
You one throw passes over 10 yards when you have 1.5 seconds to throw. Maybe that stat forgot to include that part of the equation for Jones in the majority of his starts in 2023
Stafford 2.0 where his individual talent is obvious but he needs a better team (and coaching ) around him.
He was 6th overall. He is - by and large - a MUCH better player than Jones. As has been told by us many times here on BBI, a player drafted that high should be "elite", and "elevate the players" around him.
So therefore, he should be doing MUCH better than Jones. But last time I checked, he has exactly as many playoff wins as Jones.
But here come the excuses by the JHFC: he's had bad OL, bad coaching, not a great defense, blah blah blah. He's had not one but TWO top WR and a top 3 all around RB and he's an elite talent, yet he's done nothing from a playoff success standpoint.
But when the "DJFC" offers up the same legit excuses, that get quickly dismissed as bullshit.
Given how hyped up Hebert was coming out of school, he's a bust until further notice.
But I expect the JHFC will come to the rescue soon enough.
But some of them will continue to bash on Jones, quoting former NYG players with damaging comments - even though it wasn't the full quote - just in the quest to push their narrative. I expect even some of them to continue to defend guys like Lamar, who has even a worse playoff resume than Jones and Hebert. But that's just how they roll.
You one throw passes over 10 yards when you have 1.5 seconds to throw. Maybe that stat forgot to include that part of the equation for Jones in the majority of his starts in 2023
So no QB in the last 3 years has had a bad offensive line?
They're good players who are largely responsible for the success their teams enjoy (particularly Lamar).
Jones is not a good player; Lamar and Herbert have no bearing on any discussion with Jones other than "who the Giants could have had if they hadn't been run by morons".
Is even though the Chargers haven’t had much success, he still produces at an extremely high level. So it’s easy to see that the Chargers lack of success isn’t because of him.
You one throw passes over 10 yards when you have 1.5 seconds to throw. Maybe that stat forgot to include that part of the equation for Jones in the majority of his starts in 2023
So no QB in the last 3 years has had a bad offensive line?
We gave up the 2nd most sacks All Time. That’s not a bad line it’s putrid!
Is even though the Chargers haven’t had much success, he still produces at an extremely high level. So it’s easy to see that the Chargers lack of success isn’t because of him.
Jones doesn’t produce and doesn’t win.
And Herbert who I agree has talent has never won a playoff game.
Herbert has also never looked completely overmatched
In a playoff game either. Small sample sizes don’t mean much. Herbert is going to win many more playoff games than Jones does in his career.
The 2023 Giants aren’t top 3 and probably not top 10 in sack percentage allowed. Bad QBs tend to get sacked more. DeVito was also sacked at a higher rate than Jones, while also being second in the league in avoided sack percentage and was better than Jones this year. Jones got pressured 2 more times this year than DeVito, in the same amount of games.
You’re making Osi’s point for him.
RE: Herbert has also never looked completely overmatched
In a playoff game either. Small sample sizes don’t mean much. Herbert is going to win many more playoff games than Jones does in his career.
The 2023 Giants aren’t top 3 and probably not top 10 in sack percentage allowed. Bad QBs tend to get sacked more. DeVito was also sacked at a higher rate than Jones, while also being second in the league in avoided sack percentage and was better than Jones this year. Jones got pressured 2 more times this year than DeVito, in the same amount of games.
You’re making Osi’s point for him.
Andrew Thomas play more games with Devito or Jones.
Context matters. How about who did ezudu and mackathen and mayfield play more with?
Our OL fucking blew chunks when Jones played. It’s ok to say it.
Well it certainly made our ownership overrate this team's talent.
Osi is talking to the DJFC?? The fictitious group that some of you obsess about and reference several times a week.
You guys probably should step back and see how unhinged you sound. Won't happen - but it should.
Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
DO IT ANYWAYZ
Osi is talking to the DJFC?? The fictitious group that some of you obsess about and reference several times a week.
You guys probably should step back and see how unhinged you sound. Won't happen - but it should.
Wait, you honestly think it’s “fictitious” that there’s a group of fans that have made excuse after excuse after excuse for Daniel Jones? Because THEY are the ones referred to as the DJFC. It’s just simpler to refer to those people as that than tying out “ the fans that absolutely love Daniel Jones and will stop at nothing to make excuses for him because they’ve somehow convinced themselves that he can someday be better than he’s ever been in his life” every time those fans are being addressed. Osi doesn’t need to know that moniker that BBI created to be talking about that exact group of people.
It’s absolutely astonishing that you would think that anyone was suggesting that Osi thought there was an actual fan club named that and he was targeting that specific “club” rather then the fans with that specific mindset. Incredible
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
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Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
And yet, here you are . Again. Posting on the same exact threads you constantly ridicule others for posting on. I’ve brought this to your attention several times and you always say that you don’t post on threads related to Daniel Jones. The problem is, you actually post on every single one of them. Is there something tricky about the thread title that threw you off? You could have easily stayed away from the thread. Yet, here you are. Again.
As I said before, your self awareness absolutely sucks.
Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
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Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
Haha to 3-4!
You mistakenly typed a dash in your response.
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Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
I see, you have decided not to renew your membership.
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Simple answer - has any supporter of Jones called themselves a "fan club?"
Or - has a certain group of detractors try to disparage those supporters by belittling Jones and those supporters.
Doesn't take a PhD to answer that question. And it is quite childish.
A small number still think Jones can play. Most of the rest of us have moved on and realize he is not going to improve and certainly is not the answer.
I see, you have decided not to renew your membership.
What membership?
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
Nobody wants to run Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence out of town.
This board has always had a strong bias towards eliminating any players who are making any kind of good money. I remember when there was an alliance to get rid of Hakim Nicks, because he was “dogging it” in practice. Sure, it was his contract year so he wasn’t working hard in practice.
Jones’ injuries are more problematic. But considering all the time and money that the Giants have invested in Daniel Jones, they would be grossly negligent not to see him again with an improved line. He should be on a short enough string, so that if he doesn’t cut it, they will try out another young quarterback in his place. Just not one that they trade four premium draft picks to draft.
All anyone writes about here is offense. We are only a couple of past rushers away from being a top half defense. Helps offense by getting them better field position and not having to come from far behind.
When will it ever end? He was outplayed by a mediocre journeyman and an undrafted rookie FA. What more do you need to see? You really want to squander another season? Your contention, that we spent so much so we have to see more, is a classic example of sunk cost fallacy. The reason to play Jones rests on does he give us the best chance to grow into a Super Bowl contender, not how much we already spent. This is a basic business principle.
The Giants must move on from him.
Agree, he seems to be a good kid, works hard but that isn't enough. DJ could be the Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon on a contender, but extremely difficult to build that kind of team with an 85 Bears/2000 Ravens caliber defense. QB with running such a big part of his game combined with the serious injury history means we have to move on, this year or next.
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He has a great work ethic, and he hasn't blamed anyone for his deficits. He just lacks the talent to succeed in the NFL today. It is a passing league and he doesn't have the accuracy to enable his team to score in the air game very often. His best ability comes from his rushing abilities, and after his most recent "season-ending-injury", this time involving an ACL, his mobile abilities will be decreased.
The Giants must move on from him.
Agree, he seems to be a good kid, works hard but that isn't enough. DJ could be the Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon on a contender, but extremely difficult to build that kind of team with an 85 Bears/2000 Ravens caliber defense. QB with running such a big part of his game combined with the serious injury history means we have to move on, this year or next.
I'd say his shitty play is more 'problematic', but that's just me.
I don't discount the impact awful pass protection had on him, especially early in the year. And that set the tone for the whole season.
In my view he's simply a guy you can do so much better than, and it's clear as day when watching. He's about as good as Tyrod Taylor.
It reminds me so much of EOL Manning. Go in circles to explain why, but include "not very good" in the evaluation as well.
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Like 3-4 posters? Daniel Jones lives inside so many posters heads here, that is really scary. I bet they literally wake up, come here and try to think of a different way to say the same thing hundreds a time a day.
It’s really sad for these people. It’s like it’s the most important part of their day to come here and bash one individual player who has one year left on this team and may never even play again for them.
And yet, here you are . Again. Posting on the same exact threads you constantly ridicule others for posting on. I’ve brought this to your attention several times and you always say that you don’t post on threads related to Daniel Jones. The problem is, you actually post on every single one of them. Is there something tricky about the thread title that threw you off? You could have easily stayed away from the thread. Yet, here you are. Again.
As I said before, your self awareness absolutely sucks.
Every single one. I just checked my active thread thst I posted I. And this is my FIRST one. I think this is my first post about Jones in about 2 weeks - haha. How many you at? 500? 1000?
Your awareness or intelligence might be the one thst actually sucks. Keep crying in all these threads. The humor makes my day with the rest of the know it alls.
I don't discount the impact awful pass protection had on him, especially early in the year. And that set the tone for the whole season.
In my view he's simply a guy you can do so much better than, and it's clear as day when watching. He's about as good as Tyrod Taylor.
It reminds me so much of EOL Manning. Go in circles to explain why, but include "not very good" in the evaluation as well.
I think you may be doing a disservice to Tyrod! At least Tyrod could semi-move the offense even with the crappy protection, too bad he is so erratic throwing the ball.
Jones has the better arm, but Tyrod just sees the field so much better.
You are probably right in that after the Giants let Jones go, he will hook up with another team as backup.
He's got the necessary arm, he's got plus legs, he's not scared in the pocket, he doesn't seem mentally phased.
But there are only so many times the offense sucks, and the post analysis shows plays out there he misses or never sees.
He's a quarterback from central casting, playing the part of a quarterback, who in point-of-fact, isn't a very good one.
He's got the necessary arm, he's got plus legs, he's not scared in the pocket, he doesn't seem mentally phased.
But there are only so many times the offense sucks, and the post analysis shows plays out there he misses or never sees.
He's a quarterback from central casting, playing the part of a quarterback, who in point-of-fact, isn't a very good one.
Yep
Play great football with a bad OL and skill playerz or we’ll keep drafting QBs until we find Mahomez!
Too funny.
The rookie field downfield passing was a small sample and probably an exception and not the rule. Warren Sharp posted this the other day:
his 33% completion rate was the worst of any QB who was their team's Week 1 starter since 2020
of 129 QBs w 35+ att the last 3 yrs, he ranked:
#128 in comp %
#127 in success rate
#124 in EPA/att
You said the magic words. Welcome to the clubhouse!
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Sadly that was lost on too many
It is interesting how many of the posters who come here and make excuses after excuse for Jones are the same ones who made excuse after excuse for the moron who drafted him. On one hand I admire the complete and total love they feel for anyone the Giants have let into the building at any point in their careers, but you just can’t take what they say seriously. Their affection blinds them to facts.
He's got the necessary arm, he's got plus legs, he's not scared in the pocket, he doesn't seem mentally phased.
I'd modify that slightly: my impressions have been that, yes, he's not mentally phased as in 'scared', or to use JR's famous expression skittish, but he is phased in that he's tight, uptight at what might or might not unfold for him. He is anything but relaxed looking to me in viewing the defensive positioning and potential OL and playcall audibles; he strikes me as a bit frozen in what he is seeing, or not seeing. Compare his facial muscles with PM, Love, others when at pre-snap LOS, quite a contrast.
On the way to the combine next week for one my linebackers then to Boulder for some basketball recruiting
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How are you doing? Busy time of year? (:
On the way to the combine next week for one my linebackers then to Boulder for some basketball recruiting
Let us know what you hear while you’re out there. Combines always good for some rumors and scuttlebut.
Osi was very outspoken when they benched Eli. He said he was personally hurt. He went into all the OL issues Eli had to deal with for years and not having enough talent on the outside. The D was not doing its job as well. That "skittish" comment was made after 2013. The first year of the great destruction of the LOS that JR created.
He did say some good things about Jones. Jones for a lot of reasons (and he is one of them) just doesn't have the track record to get the benefit of the doubt imv. We will see what happens soon.
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I suppose this applies to the Golden Boy Herbert, too? Josh Palmer would probably the #1 WR on this team.
This is the NFL. No QB is delivering much of anything with subpar skills and subpar OL.
Justin Herbert could retire tomorrow and it would take Jones 3.5 seasons to catch him in touchdowns at his current career pace. That’s not just a supporting cast issue.
I thought we were talking about delivering something meaningful - like playoff success. For all of the great things Herbert's done, he hasn't delivered anything meaningful.
Herbert’s accomplishments so far outweigh the Minnesota Wild Card game
No, they don't, not if accept Osi's premise.
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Difference between Jones and Taylor, so he is overpaid by a lot
ajr, in an open competition, TT would beat out DJ.
Fairly easier id think
That’s about the dumbist statement that’s been posted on BBI.
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Difference between Jones and Taylor, so he is overpaid by a lot
ajr, in an open competition, TT would beat out DJ.
Fairly easier id think
That’s about the dumbist statement that’s been posted on BBI.
We watched it with our own eyes
He was 6th overall. He is - by and large - a MUCH better player than Jones. As has been told by us many times here on BBI, a player drafted that high should be "elite", and "elevate the players" around him.
So therefore, he should be doing MUCH better than Jones. But last time I checked, he has exactly as many playoff wins as Jones.
But here come the excuses by the JHFC: he's had bad OL, bad coaching, not a great defense, blah blah blah. He's had not one but TWO top WR and a top 3 all around RB and he's an elite talent, yet he's done nothing from a playoff success standpoint.
But when the "DJFC" offers up the same legit excuses, that get quickly dismissed as bullshit.
Given how hyped up Hebert was coming out of school, he's a bust until further notice.
But I expect the JHFC will come to the rescue soon enough.
But some of them will continue to bash on Jones, quoting former NYG players with damaging comments - even though it wasn't the full quote - just in the quest to push their narrative. I expect even some of them to continue to defend guys like Lamar, who has even a worse playoff resume than Jones and Hebert. But that's just how they roll.
So no QB in the last 3 years has had a bad offensive line?
Jones is not a good player; Lamar and Herbert have no bearing on any discussion with Jones other than "who the Giants could have had if they hadn't been run by morons".
Jones doesn’t produce and doesn’t win.
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You one throw passes over 10 yards when you have 1.5 seconds to throw. Maybe that stat forgot to include that part of the equation for Jones in the majority of his starts in 2023
So no QB in the last 3 years has had a bad offensive line?
We gave up the 2nd most sacks All Time. That’s not a bad line it’s putrid!
Jones doesn’t produce and doesn’t win.
And Herbert who I agree has talent has never won a playoff game.
The 2023 Giants aren’t top 3 and probably not top 10 in sack percentage allowed. Bad QBs tend to get sacked more. DeVito was also sacked at a higher rate than Jones, while also being second in the league in avoided sack percentage and was better than Jones this year. Jones got pressured 2 more times this year than DeVito, in the same amount of games.
You’re making Osi’s point for him.
The 2023 Giants aren’t top 3 and probably not top 10 in sack percentage allowed. Bad QBs tend to get sacked more. DeVito was also sacked at a higher rate than Jones, while also being second in the league in avoided sack percentage and was better than Jones this year. Jones got pressured 2 more times this year than DeVito, in the same amount of games.
You’re making Osi’s point for him.
Andrew Thomas play more games with Devito or Jones.
Context matters. How about who did ezudu and mackathen and mayfield play more with?
Our OL fucking blew chunks when Jones played. It’s ok to say it.