"Once you get paid that amount of money as a Quarterback you cant blame things on everybody else...You're the guy and you have to find a way to deliver"
Wonderful. You ignored everything I just said. You think if Iosh Ezuedu was at LT instead of Andrew Thomas the numbers would be different? Or maybe if Devito had the great Shane Lemieux and Evan Neal blocking every game for him as well?
Again. Context matters. Add it some time.
Our offensive line was fucking putrid when Jones played. It’s ok to admit. WRs weren’t much better either.
Jones didn’t have the luxury of playing with our best offensive player for the majority of the games either.
Again. Context matters. I mean I know some of these elite QBs would win with Matt Breida, Eric Gray, Marcus McKathean, Josh Ezeudu, Shane Lemieux amongst all the others practice squad players thrown into the starting lineup.
And before you line up your typical “excuses” nonsense. These aren’t excuses. These are horrific football players we started in the first quarter of the season.
Maybe the problem is our GM who allowed for this nonsense to happen. But hey we got Parris Campbell and China Doll Waller to bring some explosiveness - right?
Should Daniel Jones not perform better than Tommy DeVito
You are not comparing apples to apples. DeVito played against really bad teams with a better line(marginally).
But it does not really matter. Jones looked like shit, except for the 2nd half of the Cards game. No doubt DeVito had the better oline combo and it does make a difference, but if you are comparing a starting QB to a UDFA 3rd stringer, then the argument is lost anyway(for Jones).
RE: Should Daniel Jones not perform better than Tommy DeVito
You are not comparing apples to apples. DeVito played against really bad teams with a better line(marginally).
But it does not really matter. Jones looked like shit, except for the 2nd half of the Cards game. No doubt DeVito had the better oline combo and it does make a difference, but if you are comparing a starting QB to a UDFA 3rd stringer, then the argument is lost anyway(for Jones).
He’s insufferable. 3000 posts a week saying the same thing and avoiding facts that doesn’t fit his narrative.
Tommy DeVito playing against worse teams doesn’t cancel out that Jones is supposed to play better. Even if DeVito had a marginally better Oline, he was an UDFA rookie.
The expectations of Jones should be higher no? DeVito didn’t exactly have a cake walk either. He played Dallas, Philly and Green Bay. Jones had Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami. Jones’ schedule was harder for sure, but the gap isn’t insane.
Look back who see avoided questions first. You’re impossible to have a conversation with.
Go ahead with another 400 posts on this thread of the same thing. The majority of posters here who don’t care anymore cause you will say the same thing tomorrow.
How about who did ezudu and mackathen and mayfield play more with?
Our OL fucking blew chunks when Jones played. It’s ok to say it.
Jones get pressured two more times in the
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Same amount of games.
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Same amount of games.
Wonderful. You ignored everything I just said. You think if Iosh Ezuedu was at LT instead of Andrew Thomas the numbers would be different? Or maybe if Devito had the great Shane Lemieux and Evan Neal blocking every game for him as well?
Tommy DeVito playing against worse teams doesn’t cancel out that Jones is supposed to play better. Even if DeVito had a marginally better Oline, he was an UDFA rookie.
The expectations of Jones should be higher no? DeVito didn’t exactly have a cake walk either. He played Dallas, Philly and Green Bay. Jones had Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami. Jones’ schedule was harder for sure, but the gap isn’t insane.
You seriously can't make this up anymore. We pay Daniel Jones an obscene amount of money and we can't expect him to play better than the worst QB in the league (which is how he played in 2023 with below 32nd ranks) and we can't expect him to outplay an undrafted rookie free agent who lives with his parents. I'm done with these fucking people who insist we didn't give Daniel Jones a chance. We did better than give him a chance, we made him a 100 million dollar man. What a bunch of rubes for insisting he deserves more time. The only thing Daniel Jones was ever *best* at was he was the best at being terrible after signing a big contract. No big dollar QB was ever as bad a Jonesie.
The same one they gave up 34 to the Bucs the following week, and 30 the week after to the vaunted Panthers offense who just fired their DC?
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
The same one they gave up 34 to the Bucs the following week, and 30 the week after to the vaunted Panthers offense who just fired their DC?
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
And did Barkley play? Or Andrew Thomas play?
Again - context matters. Which you ALWAYS leave out. If your two best players aren’t playing - and a bunch of PS players are - your team is going to suck.
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
Jones and Taylor and that is the Dolphins loss. Taylor comes in after DJ was injured and all of a sudden the sack ratio drops sharply and the offense looks quasi functional.
I concede that the cowboys and 49ers games were bad situations for Jones but then he went up against the mediocre to mid defenses the Dolphins and Seahawks put out there and Jones was terrible. That was the real litmus test and he failed.
The same one they gave up 34 to the Bucs the following week, and 30 the week after to the vaunted Panthers offense who just fired their DC?
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
And did Barkley play? Or Andrew Thomas play?
Again - context matters. Which you ALWAYS leave out. If your two best players aren’t playing - and a bunch of PS players are - your team is going to suck.
Holy fucking Christ - you’re clueless. Seriously.
Like I said, making Osi's point for him. If you're getting paid $40 million a year you have to get it done even with your RB hurt. What did Jones do in 2021 with Andrew Thomas? 2020? He had Saqoun and Thomas for all of 2022 and managed 15 passing TDs.
Having Andrew Thomas wasn't keeping him from throwing the pick six against Seattle.
to say SB did not have a huge impact when he came back. The offense ran through him. Very clear watching and in the stats. Doesn't change where they are with Jones but SB showed how important he was to the offense. Collingsworth even discussed it against Buffalo. Then AT came back which helped open things up more.
Harbaugh should help JH. Jackson is a sometimes great regular season QB who continue to come up small in the playoffs. Maybe next year but hard to keep such a good team together.
LOL let's take the context to it's logical conclusion. If all things had been equal, Jones would have performed similarly to Tommy Devoto?
If jones had Barkley and Thomas until he got hurt - it’s not unreasonable to think he would have performed much better than Devito. How much better? No one fuckjng knows.
But I’m pretty certain the gap from Andrew Thomas to Josh Ezeudu and Saquan Barkley to Matt Breida and Eric gray is quite large as well.
But if you and you’re little group who say the same shit in every thread think differently. Go ahead.
RE: There is no *context* that forgives Daniel Jones' performance
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
First off you implied I said Jones didn't have a worse oline which was never said. Secondly, if you don't want things implied, then simply answer the questions - Do you have similar expectations of Jones and Devito?
RE: RE: There is no *context* that forgives Daniel Jones' performance
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
First off you implied I said Jones didn't have a worse oline which was never said. Secondly, if you don't want things implied, then simply answer the questions - Do you have similar expectations of Jones and Devito?
When did I imply you said anything about the OL and Joes didn’t have a worse one? I literally asked you :-4 questions about it thst you totally ignored.
Hurts the last 6 games and playoff game when the eagles got some injuries- he was absolutely brutal with only one good game (Arizona ironically).
Injuries fucking matter especially to your best players.
Should the eagles move on from him since he didn’t get it done at the end of the year? Of course not. But to discount them as major reasons why a QB can struggle is just being obtuse.
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
This makes zero sense. I am not a jones cult. I’ve wanted a new QB back in October you foolish troll. I think you were banned under Producer then and posted as NorCalGiant fan back then.
Tough to keep up.
Maybe after seven shitty seasons, we can give Jones the boot?
I think Thomas and Barkley had a marked impact on the offense. They are far and away the two best offensive players on the team.
But let's revisit the concept of good quarterback that we broached last week. If Jones was among that dozen or so good quarterbacks in the league, how *should* he even out the scale?
Ezeudu, Breida, Jones vs.
Thomas, Barkley, DeVito
I'd argue the quarterback is such an outsized contributor, a good quarterback would offset a bad lineman and running back. Is that fair?
actually I asked you questions that you ignored. Pretty prevalent ones too.
How is saying the offensive line was putrid for Jones and Devito avoiding the question?
I even gave the pressure stats. Jones got 2 more pressures in the same amount of games. TWO!
The offensive line was putrid for both players, it doesn't matter what the combinations were. Maybe guys like Ezedu and Neal were better than Devito playing with Phillips and Pugh.
So now that it's settled the offensive line was bad for both players, do you have the same set of expectations for Devito and Jones?
I think Thomas and Barkley had a marked impact on the offense. They are far and away the two best offensive players on the team.
But let's revisit the concept of good quarterback that we broached last week. If Jones was among that dozen or so good quarterbacks in the league, how *should* he even out the scale?
Ezeudu, Breida, Jones vs.
Thomas, Barkley, DeVito
I'd argue the quarterback is such an outsized contributor, a good quarterback would offset a bad lineman and running back. Is that fair?
Over a course of a season - I would agree with you. A handful of games is different. Would you argue that most QBs would perform worse without their best players?
Look at Dobbs with Minny and Browning from Cincy - they had some initial success early on - then struggled even with some really good players once film got out on them.
actually I asked you questions that you ignored. Pretty prevalent ones too.
How is saying the offensive line was putrid for Jones and Devito avoiding the question?
I even gave the pressure stats. Jones got 2 more pressures in the same amount of games. TWO!
The offensive line was putrid for both players, it doesn't matter what the combinations were. Maybe guys like Ezedu and Neal were better than Devito playing with Phillips and Pugh.
So now that it's settled the offensive line was bad for both players, do you have the same set of expectations for Devito and Jones?
Because jones OL could be argued was a lot worse. And I tried showing it by using your stat.
And what if Ezeudu and the other schleps were worse??? You don’t know.
I am going to make a very bold claim. And you can argue this if you want. Andrew Thomas is a much better LT than Josh Ezeudu. Therefore - jones probably would have seen less pressure from his blind side and probably would have played at least a little better.
Now if Ezeudu played for Devito - I would argue he gets pressured more and therefore may have been sacked or played worse.
I know those are bold claims. Very bold. But I am gonna stick with them.
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
This makes zero sense. I am not a jones cult. I’ve wanted a new QB back in October you foolish troll. I think you were banned under Producer then and posted as NorCalGiant fan back then.
Tough to keep up.
It doesn't make sense to have high expectations for your $100M QB? You want to get rid of Jones? Then what are you arguing about? This is troll behavior. You are just arguing for the sake of it. Seems you agree with ajr, then. What's your actual opinion?
Wonderful. You ignored everything I just said. You think if Iosh Ezuedu was at LT instead of Andrew Thomas the numbers would be different? Or maybe if Devito had the great Shane Lemieux and Evan Neal blocking every game for him as well?
Again. Context matters. Add it some time.
Our offensive line was fucking putrid when Jones played. It’s ok to admit. WRs weren’t much better either.
Did anyone say the oline wasn’t bad when Jones played? You’re arguing things that aren’t being said.
Should Daniel Jones not have played better than DeVito did with a similar oline? Why were Taylor and DeVito better at avoiding sacks?
Never did I say Jones played well nor do I care. And yes you and others have said continuously he had adequate OL play. Which is a cares.
For as bad as Jones was last year - it could easily be argued that the OL was worse.
Again. Context matters. I mean I know some of these elite QBs would win with Matt Breida, Eric Gray, Marcus McKathean, Josh Ezeudu, Shane Lemieux amongst all the others practice squad players thrown into the starting lineup.
And before you line up your typical “excuses” nonsense. These aren’t excuses. These are horrific football players we started in the first quarter of the season.
Maybe the problem is our GM who allowed for this nonsense to happen. But hey we got Parris Campbell and China Doll Waller to bring some explosiveness - right?
You are not comparing apples to apples. DeVito played against really bad teams with a better line(marginally).
But it does not really matter. Jones looked like shit, except for the 2nd half of the Cards game. No doubt DeVito had the better oline combo and it does make a difference, but if you are comparing a starting QB to a UDFA 3rd stringer, then the argument is lost anyway(for Jones).
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
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Even if the circumstance were worse as you say?
You are not comparing apples to apples. DeVito played against really bad teams with a better line(marginally).
But it does not really matter. Jones looked like shit, except for the 2nd half of the Cards game. No doubt DeVito had the better oline combo and it does make a difference, but if you are comparing a starting QB to a UDFA 3rd stringer, then the argument is lost anyway(for Jones).
He’s insufferable. 3000 posts a week saying the same thing and avoiding facts that doesn’t fit his narrative.
The expectations of Jones should be higher no? DeVito didn’t exactly have a cake walk either. He played Dallas, Philly and Green Bay. Jones had Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami. Jones’ schedule was harder for sure, but the gap isn’t insane.
Go ahead with another 400 posts on this thread of the same thing. The majority of posters here who don’t care anymore cause you will say the same thing tomorrow.
Our OL fucking blew chunks when Jones played. It’s ok to say it.
Jones get pressured two more times in the
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Same amount of games.
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Same amount of games.
Wonderful. You ignored everything I just said. You think if Iosh Ezuedu was at LT instead of Andrew Thomas the numbers would be different? Or maybe if Devito had the great Shane Lemieux and Evan Neal blocking every game for him as well?
Good comparison there.
Never said that whatsoever - but keep up making up your same bullshit when you get exposed for not showing the whole picture.
Like I said - insufferable person who is never wrong.
Cant wait for 1,000 more ridiculous posts from you today. Maybe Eric will bitch slap you again like he did in the the other thread.
The nominal tailwinds DeVito enjoyed from a few better players were most certainly counteracted by the headwinds of being Tommy Fucking DeVito.
The expectations of Jones should be higher no? DeVito didn’t exactly have a cake walk either. He played Dallas, Philly and Green Bay. Jones had Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami. Jones’ schedule was harder for sure, but the gap isn’t insane.
You seriously can't make this up anymore. We pay Daniel Jones an obscene amount of money and we can't expect him to play better than the worst QB in the league (which is how he played in 2023 with below 32nd ranks) and we can't expect him to outplay an undrafted rookie free agent who lives with his parents. I'm done with these fucking people who insist we didn't give Daniel Jones a chance. We did better than give him a chance, we made him a 100 million dollar man. What a bunch of rubes for insisting he deserves more time. The only thing Daniel Jones was ever *best* at was he was the best at being terrible after signing a big contract. No big dollar QB was ever as bad a Jonesie.
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
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you hold Jones and Devito to the same expectations. Maybe well get a Jones revenge tour.
Never said that whatsoever - but keep up making up your same bullshit when you get exposed for not showing the whole picture.
Like I said - insufferable person who is never wrong.
Cant wait for 1,000 more ridiculous posts from you today. Maybe Eric will bitch slap you again like he did in the the other thread.
Because that isn't what happened, but ok
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The same one they gave up 34 to the Bucs the following week, and 30 the week after to the vaunted Panthers offense who just fired their DC?
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
And did Barkley play? Or Andrew Thomas play?
Again - context matters. Which you ALWAYS leave out. If your two best players aren’t playing - and a bunch of PS players are - your team is going to suck.
Holy fucking Christ - you’re clueless. Seriously.
Because that isn't what happened, but ok
Oh you got bent over and taken to the wood shed buddy. 1st round TKO.
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Because that isn't what happened, but ok
Oh you got bent over and taken to the wood shed buddy. 1st round TKO.
Thats weird when he was completely wrong about the Mike Evans stuff and how comps are actually done behind closed doors.
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
I concede that the cowboys and 49ers games were bad situations for Jones but then he went up against the mediocre to mid defenses the Dolphins and Seahawks put out there and Jones was terrible. That was the real litmus test and he failed.
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The same one they gave up 34 to the Bucs the following week, and 30 the week after to the vaunted Panthers offense who just fired their DC?
Good comparison there.
The Seattle defense gave up 27 to Carolina the week before they dominated Daniel Jones. The vaunted Cardinals defense dominated Daniel Jones for an entire half. The Dolphins defense was averaging 30 ppg against heading into the Giants matchup, Jones led the Giants to 6 points prior to getting hurt.
And did Barkley play? Or Andrew Thomas play?
Again - context matters. Which you ALWAYS leave out. If your two best players aren’t playing - and a bunch of PS players are - your team is going to suck.
Holy fucking Christ - you’re clueless. Seriously.
Like I said, making Osi's point for him. If you're getting paid $40 million a year you have to get it done even with your RB hurt. What did Jones do in 2021 with Andrew Thomas? 2020? He had Saqoun and Thomas for all of 2022 and managed 15 passing TDs.
Having Andrew Thomas wasn't keeping him from throwing the pick six against Seattle.
Harbaugh should help JH. Jackson is a sometimes great regular season QB who continue to come up small in the playoffs. Maybe next year but hard to keep such a good team together.
If jones had Barkley and Thomas until he got hurt - it’s not unreasonable to think he would have performed much better than Devito. How much better? No one fuckjng knows.
But I’m pretty certain the gap from Andrew Thomas to Josh Ezeudu and Saquan Barkley to Matt Breida and Eric gray is quite large as well.
But if you and you’re little group who say the same shit in every thread think differently. Go ahead.
Is that when you say when Producer threads? Add context
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
First off you implied I said Jones didn't have a worse oline which was never said. Secondly, if you don't want things implied, then simply answer the questions - Do you have similar expectations of Jones and Devito?
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seems you don't understand the meaning of the word context.
Is that when you say when Producer threads? Add context
Stop flaunting what an ignorant fool you are. You are torching these threads and begging to be banned.
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
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seems you don't understand the meaning of the word context.
Is that when you say when Producer threads? Add context
Stop flaunting what an ignorant fool you are. You are torching these threads and begging to be banned.
What threads am I torching producer? One? Inmean it’s not like your blow fest for Caleb Williams on every thread is enjoyable.
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And never add full context.
He bitched slapped you. Glad you were able to recover and take this one you’re getting now since you literally made up shit I said because I countered with common sense that you never include.
First off you implied I said Jones didn't have a worse oline which was never said. Secondly, if you don't want things implied, then simply answer the questions - Do you have similar expectations of Jones and Devito?
When did I imply you said anything about the OL and Joes didn’t have a worse one? I literally asked you :-4 questions about it thst you totally ignored.
Stay on task.
Injuries fucking matter especially to your best players.
Should the eagles move on from him since he didn’t get it done at the end of the year? Of course not. But to discount them as major reasons why a QB can struggle is just being obtuse.
Oline - ( New Window )
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
actually I asked you questions that you ignored. Pretty prevalent ones too.
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To compare jones play to devito’s?
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
This makes zero sense. I am not a jones cult. I’ve wanted a new QB back in October you foolish troll. I think you were banned under Producer then and posted as NorCalGiant fan back then.
Tough to keep up.
But let's revisit the concept of good quarterback that we broached last week. If Jones was among that dozen or so good quarterbacks in the league, how *should* he even out the scale?
Ezeudu, Breida, Jones vs.
Thomas, Barkley, DeVito
I'd argue the quarterback is such an outsized contributor, a good quarterback would offset a bad lineman and running back. Is that fair?
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actually I asked you questions that you ignored. Pretty prevalent ones too.
How is saying the offensive line was putrid for Jones and Devito avoiding the question?
I even gave the pressure stats. Jones got 2 more pressures in the same amount of games. TWO!
The offensive line was putrid for both players, it doesn't matter what the combinations were. Maybe guys like Ezedu and Neal were better than Devito playing with Phillips and Pugh.
So now that it's settled the offensive line was bad for both players, do you have the same set of expectations for Devito and Jones?
But let's revisit the concept of good quarterback that we broached last week. If Jones was among that dozen or so good quarterbacks in the league, how *should* he even out the scale?
Ezeudu, Breida, Jones vs.
Thomas, Barkley, DeVito
I'd argue the quarterback is such an outsized contributor, a good quarterback would offset a bad lineman and running back. Is that fair?
Over a course of a season - I would agree with you. A handful of games is different. Would you argue that most QBs would perform worse without their best players?
Look at Dobbs with Minny and Browning from Cincy - they had some initial success early on - then struggled even with some really good players once film got out on them.
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actually I asked you questions that you ignored. Pretty prevalent ones too.
How is saying the offensive line was putrid for Jones and Devito avoiding the question?
I even gave the pressure stats. Jones got 2 more pressures in the same amount of games. TWO!
The offensive line was putrid for both players, it doesn't matter what the combinations were. Maybe guys like Ezedu and Neal were better than Devito playing with Phillips and Pugh.
So now that it's settled the offensive line was bad for both players, do you have the same set of expectations for Devito and Jones?
Because jones OL could be argued was a lot worse. And I tried showing it by using your stat.
And what if Ezeudu and the other schleps were worse??? You don’t know.
I am going to make a very bold claim. And you can argue this if you want. Andrew Thomas is a much better LT than Josh Ezeudu. Therefore - jones probably would have seen less pressure from his blind side and probably would have played at least a little better.
Now if Ezeudu played for Devito - I would argue he gets pressured more and therefore may have been sacked or played worse.
I know those are bold claims. Very bold. But I am gonna stick with them.
You just assume. Not a good philosophy.
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To compare jones play to devito’s?
Goal posts are a shifting with still NO context from last year lol
So we aren't allowed to count 2023? That's new one for the Jones cult. Nobody said when we signed him to an historic contract that we might have to give him a mulligan. Franchise QBs don't get mulligans.
This makes zero sense. I am not a jones cult. I’ve wanted a new QB back in October you foolish troll. I think you were banned under Producer then and posted as NorCalGiant fan back then.
Tough to keep up.
It doesn't make sense to have high expectations for your $100M QB? You want to get rid of Jones? Then what are you arguing about? This is troll behavior. You are just arguing for the sake of it. Seems you agree with ajr, then. What's your actual opinion?