The Giants like Caleb Williams? Well, no shit he's going to be the first pick in the draft. The Giants like Drake Maye? He's likely going to be the second pick in the draft.
It's not the first we've heard of the Pats potentially trading down. I'm more interested in how NYG ranks Daniels-McCarthy-Nix-Penix. I'm sure the Giants would trade up to 3 for Maye, but would they trade for to 3 for Daniels?
The Giants like Caleb Williams? Well, no shit he's going to be the first pick in the draft. The Giants like Drake Maye? He's likely going to be the second pick in the draft.
It's not the first we've heard of the Pats potentially trading down. I'm more interested in how NYG ranks Daniels-McCarthy-Nix-Penix. I'm sure the Giants would trade up to 3 for Maye, but would they trade for to 3 for Daniels?
And all one has to do is just see all the times they visited Williams and Maye during the season. This regime only puts out the info they want out. They don't tell anyone who they want.
Pre Combine. Together with outstanding production and Poles could legitimately say f*** it, select him #1 for the Bears and move on to his next pick. Harrison’s situation is reminding me of Deion Sanders, who everyone loved pre draft but somehow fell to #5.
Then you have Nabers, who may be almost as good a prospect as MHJ.
I think there’s a lot of movement ahead in the 1st round. One idea I haven’t seen touted is a team trading into the top 3 not to pick a QB but to get MHJ.
Sean - it’s tough because I really don’t want to give up future 1st round draft picks. The team isn’t deep playoff ready at the current time and keeping those picks is paramount. Not a secret - I also think Jones can and will be a good quarterback.
All that being said, if Maye is available at 6 the Giants absolutely have to draft him and I’d be very happy. Williams wont be available obviously, he won’t get past Washington.
And - I really don’t think that spending a 2nd or 3rd on a lesser QB makes sense.
So my thoughts are Maye/Williams or pretty much wait it out and continue to build the roster.
Giants love Williams and Maye. Assuming one or the either slips past 2 then being available at #3 becomes a target spot for us to move up.
Chicago most likely will do the smartest thing they can do- get their guy at #1 and trade their current guy for picks.
Atlanta, New England, Washington, Miami, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Tampa Bay and the NY Jets all could be landing places for Fields..
Washington is interesting. I know you can't say one school prospect is the same as a prospect from the same school a few years later but, Washington only has to look at Themselves/Chicago and the NY Giants to see a historical pattern that could scare them off Maye.
Bears- Trubisky, Wash- Howell both from NC- neither really proving they belong as starters.
Giants- Brown and Jones both from Duke, both showing major lack of NFL starter or difference level skills. (I know decades apart but still, it wasn't unnoticed at the time Jones was drafted.
It gets to be hard for to sell a fanbase on another QB prospect from the same school you previously selected a QB prospect from and that has seen other QB prospects with other teams as well, fail and fail miserably.
I could see Washington shying away from Maye here just for the optics alone. Right or wrong, this new ownership team wants to put its stamp on this team.
BTW- Fields destroyed Washington earlier last season.
I do believe the Giants love Williams but I also believe that Maye would be their Ideal physical choice.
RE: It would be wise for NYG to have a plan in place with NE
This isn't Gettleman, Schoen will work out every possible scenario for the top two picks if he wants to trade up to 3.
This. I imagine JS is exploring scenarios involving trading up and trading down depending on how things shake out. I also hope they are finally using smokescreens to hide their true intentions (yes I'm looking at you DG!).
still think Williams and Maye go #1 and #2. Washington has new ownership, a new GM, and a new coach. They want their own QB and can get one without having to do an RGIII type trade. My guess is that Daniels would likely remind them of RGIII in terms of his frame. Maye is a lot more thickly built and likely reminds them of Josh Allen.
still think Williams and Maye go #1 and #2. Washington has new ownership, a new GM, and a new coach. They want their own QB and can get one without having to do an RGIII type trade. My guess is that Daniels would likely remind them of RGIII in terms of his frame. Maye is a lot more thickly built and likely reminds them of Josh Allen.
I am not a McCarthy fan at 6. But throwing shit to the media about liking others will only help their chances at staying at 6 and getting the guy they want - am I reading this right?
I would expect JS would prefer to get a QB at #6 rather than burn the cache of draft picks to trade up. And, that's IF the Bears or perhaps the Pats are willing dancer partners. Alot needs to fall into place for the Giants to trade up. A "better" solution would be to stay put at #6.
I would expect JS would prefer to get a QB at #6 rather than burn the cache of draft picks to trade up. And, that's IF the Bears or perhaps the Pats are willing dancer partners. Alot needs to fall into place for the Giants to trade up. A "better" solution would be to stay put at #6.
I still think the Giants try to pull off a blockbuster. They need to do something huge to turn this org around.
They traded a good player in Williams for a second round pick. Probably for good reason. The only good reason in my view is to trade up for a player you feel can make a mark on this team for a long time.
Sure seems like they have something up their sleeve.
The buzz at the sr bowl was about how to break into the top 3. With so many QB needy teams, if that's not an option you have to wonder if any of them have the conviction to deal into 4 or 5? Four QBs in the top 5 would be something, but if there is desperation it could happen. We'll need a plan B, at least.
Schoen would love to get Drake Maye. If NE is on the clock after WSH takes Daniels, I'd think there would be an aggressive offer made to move up.
Otherwise, McCarthy would be scouted against present day Jones and the 2025 QB class, if Schoen/Daboll like him enough, they'll pick him at 6. Otherwise it will be Nabers imo.
The wildcard is Daniels. I don't know how this regime feels about him. I don't see 4 QB's going before NYG picks, so I'd guess one of those will be available at 6, but would NYG risk that? Would they trade a third to move up one spot?
still think Williams and Maye go #1 and #2. Washington has new ownership, a new GM, and a new coach. They want their own QB and can get one without having to do an RGIII type trade. My guess is that Daniels would likely remind them of RGIII in terms of his frame. Maye is a lot more thickly built and likely reminds them of Josh Allen.
My logic tells me this is correct, but the hiring of Kingsbury leads me to believe they are looking at more of an off script vs on script player which would point to Daniels or, if in a horrible situation for us, Williams falls to 2...
with the #6 pick. I'm hoping they draft EDGE, DT or OL with their 2 picks in round 2. I'm hoping they draft a RB with either pick 3 or 4. I'm hoping the draft a TE with pick 4 or 5.
I understand that the value may not lineup, it's just my wish list if it does.
I would like to see the Giants build a competent OL without investing anymore premium draft capital but this a very deep OT class and Neal is too big a question mark, literally, to ignore OT. FA OT's are way too expensive. FA guards are where I hope the Giants focus a major percentage of their available cap money.
So the Giants like the top 2 QB prospects in the draft
They attended games of each of the top 4 QBs I think they are hoping for Daniels or Mccarthy if they are leaking info about liking Maye and Williams. Notice how all the asshats haven't had any scoops since with this regime? I don't buy that they are keying in on Maye and Williams one bit. In fact, if that's what people are hearing then I think it's more likely they like Daniels and McCarthy just as much or more if the leaks point toward JM and CW.
And drafting one of Maye, Daniels, JJ, Harrison, or Nabers seems about right to me.
Ideally the Giants stay at 6 and either JJ McCarthy or Drake Maye are on the board. My top 6 wish list in order is Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr. Malik Nabers.
Schoen and Daboll gave some hints shortley after they arrived here. They like a big, strong QB (like Allen). Its one of the things they liked about Jones.
Caleb is a different story. He is SO creative, he transcends "types". I can "somewhat" see McCarthy fitting into their mold. Can't see Daniels.
Not gonna pretend to know who will be great and who will be a bust, it’s always a crapshoot.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
A lot of people much smarter than me says he has a great arm and is deadly accurate. Which is evident in his 72.3 completion percentage. He was also insanely good on 3rd down (Check the Pic below)
My guess would be that Daboll would absolutely love to work with Maye considering the arm talent and size. Not necessarily Allen but similar to Allen in that regard.
Not gonna pretend to know who will be great and who will be a bust, it’s always a crapshoot.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
A lot of people much smarter than me says he has a great arm and is deadly accurate. Which is evident in his 72.3 completion percentage. He was also insanely good on 3rd down (Check the Pic below)
I wanna know more. High completion percentage is one thing. How long distance are these throws. Doesn't mean as much if he's checking it down and driving the bus.
still think Williams and Maye go #1 and #2. Washington has new ownership, a new GM, and a new coach. They want their own QB and can get one without having to do an RGIII type trade. My guess is that Daniels would likely remind them of RGIII in terms of his frame. Maye is a lot more thickly built and likely reminds them of Josh Allen.
My logic tells me this is correct, but the hiring of Kingsbury leads me to believe they are looking at more of an off script vs on script player which would point to Daniels or, if in a horrible situation for us, Williams falls to 2...
Trading up to 3 only makes sense if you love Daniels or McCarthy and want him above all else possibly at 6.
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. This is exactly what I heard awhile back.
There’s a good chance Russel Wilson becomes available and maybe the Pats see him + the additional draft picks as a better option
It's not the first we've heard of the Pats potentially trading down. I'm more interested in how NYG ranks Daniels-McCarthy-Nix-Penix. I'm sure the Giants would trade up to 3 for Maye, but would they trade for to 3 for Daniels?
It's not the first we've heard of the Pats potentially trading down. I'm more interested in how NYG ranks Daniels-McCarthy-Nix-Penix. I'm sure the Giants would trade up to 3 for Maye, but would they trade for to 3 for Daniels?
And all one has to do is just see all the times they visited Williams and Maye during the season. This regime only puts out the info they want out. They don't tell anyone who they want.
What would you do at QB? Even you have to admit Jones has a durability concern. Tyrod Taylor is a UFA.
How would you handle the position?
Then you have Nabers, who may be almost as good a prospect as MHJ.
I think there’s a lot of movement ahead in the 1st round. One idea I haven’t seen touted is a team trading into the top 3 not to pick a QB but to get MHJ.
All that being said, if Maye is available at 6 the Giants absolutely have to draft him and I’d be very happy. Williams wont be available obviously, he won’t get past Washington.
And - I really don’t think that spending a 2nd or 3rd on a lesser QB makes sense.
So my thoughts are Maye/Williams or pretty much wait it out and continue to build the roster.
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My thoughts exactly around the QBs, not too interested in anyone besides Maye or Williams at the top
What would you do at QB? Even you have to admit Jones has a durability concern. Tyrod Taylor is a UFA.
How would you handle the position?
What would I do at QB?
Hire a Hooker. Use the #6 pick on Nabers. If the QB doesn't work out, I'd hire a hooker.
1. Williams to Chicago
2, Daniels to Washington
Then you pull the trigger and trade up for Mayes.
Otherwise stay at 6 and see what happens.
Maybe McCarthy is a viable target at 6?
I still think the Giants try to pull off a blockbuster. They need to do something huge to turn this org around.
Giants love Williams and Maye. Assuming one or the either slips past 2 then being available at #3 becomes a target spot for us to move up.
Chicago most likely will do the smartest thing they can do- get their guy at #1 and trade their current guy for picks.
Atlanta, New England, Washington, Miami, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Tampa Bay and the NY Jets all could be landing places for Fields..
Washington is interesting. I know you can't say one school prospect is the same as a prospect from the same school a few years later but, Washington only has to look at Themselves/Chicago and the NY Giants to see a historical pattern that could scare them off Maye.
Bears- Trubisky, Wash- Howell both from NC- neither really proving they belong as starters.
Giants- Brown and Jones both from Duke, both showing major lack of NFL starter or difference level skills. (I know decades apart but still, it wasn't unnoticed at the time Jones was drafted.
It gets to be hard for to sell a fanbase on another QB prospect from the same school you previously selected a QB prospect from and that has seen other QB prospects with other teams as well, fail and fail miserably.
I could see Washington shying away from Maye here just for the optics alone. Right or wrong, this new ownership team wants to put its stamp on this team.
BTW- Fields destroyed Washington earlier last season.
I do believe the Giants love Williams but I also believe that Maye would be their Ideal physical choice.
1. Williams to Chicago
2, Daniels to Washington
Then you pull the trigger and trade up for Mayes.
Otherwise stay at 6 and see what happens.
Maybe McCarthy is a viable target at 6?
This isn't Gettleman, Schoen will work out every possible scenario for the top two picks if he wants to trade up to 3.
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If the first 2 picks are:
1. Williams to Chicago
2, Daniels to Washington
Then you pull the trigger and trade up for Mayes.
Otherwise stay at 6 and see what happens.
Maybe McCarthy is a viable target at 6?
This isn't Gettleman, Schoen will work out every possible scenario for the top two picks if he wants to trade up to 3.
This. I imagine JS is exploring scenarios involving trading up and trading down depending on how things shake out. I also hope they are finally using smokescreens to hide their true intentions (yes I'm looking at you DG!).
I agree. I still think it is William/Maye at 1/2.
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These guys have no idea who likes who. If the beats knew anything, they'd be breaking Giants news, not the national guys.
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. This is exactly what I heard awhile back.
Grit, have you heard anything about their interest in McCarthy or Daniels?
And Maye is the most toolsy of the QBs and would have the size that Daboll probably covets.
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I am not a McCarthy fan at 6. But throwing shit to the media about liking others will only help their chances at staying at 6 and getting the guy they want - am I reading this right?
Agreed.
I still think the Giants try to pull off a blockbuster. They need to do something huge to turn this org around.
They traded a good player in Williams for a second round pick. Probably for good reason. The only good reason in my view is to trade up for a player you feel can make a mark on this team for a long time.
Sure seems like they have something up their sleeve.
That gives an opportunity for someone on the parameter to make a statement and get in the conversation for the top 5.
If a player like Nabers blows the doors off the drills, maybe the Cardinals roll the dice for a trade down to 6 on draft day, if 1-4 is QBs.
The more supply at the top actually drives down the cost to trade up. Hopefully Nabers makes a case as the best WR.
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yep.
Have you heard this or is it your preference?
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
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yep.
Have you heard this or is it your preference?
Educated guess.
Given the dearth of talent on the Giants, I'd prefer them to draw a hard line on what they would spend to move up.
I'd limit to either 1) next year's 1st round pick or 2) the two 2024 2nd round picks.
That probably limits them to moving to 3rd or 4th overall.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
Otherwise, McCarthy would be scouted against present day Jones and the 2025 QB class, if Schoen/Daboll like him enough, they'll pick him at 6. Otherwise it will be Nabers imo.
The wildcard is Daniels. I don't know how this regime feels about him. I don't see 4 QB's going before NYG picks, so I'd guess one of those will be available at 6, but would NYG risk that? Would they trade a third to move up one spot?
My logic tells me this is correct, but the hiring of Kingsbury leads me to believe they are looking at more of an off script vs on script player which would point to Daniels or, if in a horrible situation for us, Williams falls to 2...
I understand that the value may not lineup, it's just my wish list if it does.
I would like to see the Giants build a competent OL without investing anymore premium draft capital but this a very deep OT class and Neal is too big a question mark, literally, to ignore OT. FA OT's are way too expensive. FA guards are where I hope the Giants focus a major percentage of their available cap money.
Ideally the Giants stay at 6 and either JJ McCarthy or Drake Maye are on the board. My top 6 wish list in order is Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr. Malik Nabers.
Caleb is a different story. He is SO creative, he transcends "types". I can "somewhat" see McCarthy fitting into their mold. Can't see Daniels.
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This is my expectation if they go QB. I dont think they want to trade the assets it will take to get to #1 or #3.
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Not gonna pretend to know who will be great and who will be a bust, it’s always a crapshoot.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
A lot of people much smarter than me says he has a great arm and is deadly accurate. Which is evident in his 72.3 completion percentage. He was also insanely good on 3rd down (Check the Pic below)
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Not gonna pretend to know who will be great and who will be a bust, it’s always a crapshoot.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
Also Lance Zierlein said NFL Evaluators he's talked to have said JJ has elite processing.
on Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy: "NFL evaluators have described McCarthy's processing as "elite" in my conversations with them." #NFLDraft
Curious, ownership nor GM has ever stated they "want a franchise QB in the building." This is your speculation, right?
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Not gonna pretend to know who will be great and who will be a bust, it’s always a crapshoot.
But man, McCarthy at 6 would be disappointing to me.
I disagree, I have a gut feeling that McCarthy is going to be a damn good starting QB in the NFL.
A lot of people much smarter than me says he has a great arm and is deadly accurate. Which is evident in his 72.3 completion percentage. He was also insanely good on 3rd down (Check the Pic below)
I wanna know more. High completion percentage is one thing. How long distance are these throws. Doesn't mean as much if he's checking it down and driving the bus.
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Because early rumors are stronger and stronger Maye is going 2 to Washington. Ownership wants to get franchise QB in building.
Curious, ownership nor GM has ever stated they "want a franchise QB in the building." This is your speculation, right?
Is there an organization that doesn't want a franchise QB in the building?
If someone posted that the Giants want to win more football games, would you ask if it was someone's speculation?
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still think Williams and Maye go #1 and #2. Washington has new ownership, a new GM, and a new coach. They want their own QB and can get one without having to do an RGIII type trade. My guess is that Daniels would likely remind them of RGIII in terms of his frame. Maye is a lot more thickly built and likely reminds them of Josh Allen.
My logic tells me this is correct, but the hiring of Kingsbury leads me to believe they are looking at more of an off script vs on script player which would point to Daniels or, if in a horrible situation for us, Williams falls to 2...
Certainly possible.