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Barkley unlikely to get tagged.. Schefter

JoeyBigBlue : 2/26/2024 2:36 pm
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Why would they tag him  
blueblood : 2/26/2024 2:37 pm : link
which is an automatic 20% raise on last years number ?
Makes sense especially with McKinney  
UConn4523 : 2/26/2024 2:38 pm : link
who I think they will transition tag.
Let's  
Toth029 : 2/26/2024 2:39 pm : link
Hope.
Not surprising, and they might view tagging McKinney  
Ben in Tampa : 2/26/2024 2:39 pm : link
As a priority, which would obviously take the option for Saquon off he table
RE: Why would they tag him  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/26/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16408521 blueblood said:
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which is an automatic 20% raise on last years number ?


It was an option to keep him with no commitment pass the 2024 season. But he had a less than stellar 2023, so it was unlikely.
Tag does not compute  
JonC : 2/26/2024 2:40 pm : link
In fact, I'd suggest they haven't learned their lesson if they do tag him.
Good  
Spider43 : 2/26/2024 2:41 pm : link
Let him walk.
Tag Might Be Ok But  
MojoEd : 2/26/2024 2:41 pm : link
I doubt SB would sign it. If tagged, I would expect SB to go Fred Taylor and not report until he gets the long term deal he wants. Tagging him guarantees nothing but drama and distraction.
good  
djm : 2/26/2024 2:42 pm : link
I didn't like the tag last year and I don't like it this year. Should have just paid him the 2-3 year deal in Spring of 23. You'd have 1 more year and then a likely 3rd year which allows for escape. Instead we are at risk of losing our best offensive skill player.
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I am Ninja : 2/26/2024 2:46 pm : link
963 yds and 6 tds.

let the market speak.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
I think he’s leaving. Oh well.
RE: Tag does not compute  
UConn4523 : 2/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16408529 JonC said:
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In fact, I'd suggest they haven't learned their lesson if they do tag him.


That and the unwillingness to move above the originally offered deal during the season last year. If Schoen wasn’t willing to give him more then I’m not sure why he would now.
No reason to  
jeff57 : 2/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
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I doubt McKinney plays  
jvm52106 : 2/26/2024 2:56 pm : link
a role here at all as far as Barkley goes. Barkley not getting tagged and no reason to tag McKinney either. We have won NOTHING with both of these guys and cap money spent elsewhere is key when we are trying to retool and revamp on the fly.
Do tag and trades happen in the NFL?  
The Dude : 2/26/2024 2:57 pm : link
With the spending we'll most likely do, not sure we get a comp pick for Barkley....
RE: …  
Lambuth_Special : 2/26/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16408545 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think he’s leaving. Oh well.


If he leaves, that's a big tell to me that they are going to be looking to grab a QB.
RE: Makes sense especially with McKinney  
bw in dc : 2/26/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16408522 UConn4523 said:
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who I think they will transition tag.


As long as it's not the FT, the TT is much more suitable for X.

I am very curious to how the open market views both Barkley and X...
If Barkley leaves  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/26/2024 3:16 pm : link
Then Schoen needs to have a plan at RB for next season. The RBs on the roster include Gray (wasn’t trusted in pass protection last season), Brightwell (not many carries in 3 seasons here) and Corbin (not much experience). Schoen needs to get a veteran back in here to hold down the fort for next year and draft another RB with a higher upside than Gray IMO.
Salary cap went up.  
ThomasG : 2/26/2024 3:17 pm : link
At this point, just give it all to Saquon.

You know JM wants to, including several others here.
RE: If Barkley leaves  
UConn4523 : 2/26/2024 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16408575 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Then Schoen needs to have a plan at RB for next season. The RBs on the roster include Gray (wasn’t trusted in pass protection last season), Brightwell (not many carries in 3 seasons here) and Corbin (not much experience). Schoen needs to get a veteran back in here to hold down the fort for next year and draft another RB with a higher upside than Gray IMO.


I’d like for Barkley to stay but I don’t see it. He’s going to get more from someone else than we are going to be willing to match, IMO. But they will need to bring in some serious talent at the position because what’s been behind Barkley all these years has been pathetic. A day 2 pick and a legit vet will need to be added most likely.
Build an actual running game  
Lambuth_Special : 2/26/2024 3:26 pm : link
With RBs possessing complementary skillsets and go from there. Relying on high-usage Barkley and then turtling whenever he had to go to the sidelines was maddening.
passing on extending last year made tag almost impossible to use again  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 3:29 pm : link
that would have been a total reversal of course on their end and essentially admitting a mistake (while giving themselves very literal leverage in a new potential hold out situation).

the only thing that may have changed that was the cap increase going up like it did but i guess not. it will be very interesting to see how genuine the extension negotiations are and what he ultimately gets.
Read that Bears are interested in 26  
Adirondack GMen : 2/26/2024 3:31 pm : link
Could we make a deal Barkley for Fields? Then go shopping for a RB like Henry or any other FA backs or draft a bell cow.
Thoughts?
Tagging him would be one of the dumbest moves of the Schoen  
Rudy5757 : 2/26/2024 3:33 pm : link
era so far so I wouldnt expect it. Teams dont generally gives raises to players who had a down year, and the tag would be a 20% raise. They are better off offering him a 2 year take it or leave it at the tag number guarantee but I wouldnt even do that.

At 27 the evidence is there that Barkley isnt the same guy. The last 10 games of the 22 season were not good and then this past season we saw more of the same as the last 10 games of 22. 3.9 yards per carry is just pitiful.

This is a situation where both sides probably benefit from a parting of ways. Paying a RB last year over $10 mil was a bad bet and Schoen lost, doubling down is not the right move. The only way to have Barkley back is a similar deal to what Sanders got at about $6.5 a year and I doubt Barkley would do that.
What happens with Barkley may be telling of their draft plans, too.  
mittenedman : 2/26/2024 3:33 pm : link
They view Barkley as a great piece to pair with a rookie QB.

He's a veteran that knows the offense cold, knows the protection schemes and can take a lot of heat off the QB with the attention he draws.

If they are bringing in a rookie QB, you want Barkley in that "side saddle".
No surprise here  
UberAlias : 2/26/2024 3:37 pm : link
This is what's been anticipated. Brian Daboll's offense is not one that centers around a running back.
What's behind Barkley is pathetic because of the pathetic minds  
ThomasG : 2/26/2024 3:38 pm : link
making inadequate roster building decisions, including a RB Committee. Since Saquon was drafted, only Gary Brightwell who was drafted to be a special teamer and Eric Gray who was barely given a chance last year have been added via the draft. And it's not like the free agent RBs have been good choices.

Just like the folly of drafting Daniel Jones and never adding another QB since, the Giants have done almost the same ignoring the RB unit since Saquon joined.

Both need to go and let's hopefully soon forget their time here. Because it was forgettable.
RE: What happens with Barkley may be telling of their draft plans, too.  
HomerJones45 : 2/26/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16408597 mittenedman said:
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They view Barkley as a great piece to pair with a rookie QB.

He's a veteran that knows the offense cold, knows the protection schemes and can take a lot of heat off the QB with the attention he draws.

If they are bringing in a rookie QB, you want Barkley in that "side saddle".
You also want Barkley to pair with Jones who is near useless without the additional threat.

This team has put itself in quite a pickle.
RE: Tagging him would be one of the dumbest moves of the Schoen  
Mbavaro : 2/26/2024 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16408596 Rudy5757 said:
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era so far so I wouldnt expect it. Teams dont generally gives raises to players who had a down year, and the tag would be a 20% raise. They are better off offering him a 2 year take it or leave it at the tag number guarantee but I wouldnt even do that.

At 27 the evidence is there that Barkley isnt the same guy. The last 10 games of the 22 season were not good and then this past season we saw more of the game same as the last 10 games of 22. 3.9 yards per carry is just pitiful.

This is a situation where both sides probably benefit from a parting of ways. Paying a RB last year over $10 mil was a bad bet and Schoen lost, doubling down is not the right move. The only way to have Barkley back is a similar deal to what Sanders got at about $6.5 a year and I doubt Barkley would do that.


Although I don’t think we should resign him….I think the 3.9 YPC was more of a reflection of the line rather than him
RE: good  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/26/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16408533 djm said:
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I didn't like the tag last year and I don't like it this year. Should have just paid him the 2-3 year deal in Spring of 23. You'd have 1 more year and then a likely 3rd year which allows for escape. Instead we are at risk of losing our best offensive skill player.

They tried.

Mr. Team Player got offended at being comped to Nick Chubb and Derrick Henry.
No signing a Nick Chubb deal made sense  
UConn4523 : 2/26/2024 3:58 pm : link
you wouldn’t either if you were Barkley.
RE: RE: good  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16408617 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16408533 djm said:


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I didn't like the tag last year and I don't like it this year. Should have just paid him the 2-3 year deal in Spring of 23. You'd have 1 more year and then a likely 3rd year which allows for escape. Instead we are at risk of losing our best offensive skill player.


They tried.

Mr. Team Player got offended at being comped to Nick Chubb and Derrick Henry.


his reported counter to the giants was for less $ gtd than Henry got in 2020 (and henry got a $2m raise on that deal in 2022). it was also for a net of less "new" guaranteed money than chubb got since chubb wasnt franchise tagged with a guaranteed $10m when he got extended.

if barkley gets more than 12m gtd in this cycle he is ahead of his own counter offer to the giants.
Wish him well  
Sammo85 : 2/26/2024 4:12 pm : link
In his future endeavors. Good bye!
RE: RE: RE: good  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/26/2024 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16408642 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16408617 Gatorade Dunk said:


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I didn't like the tag last year and I don't like it this year. Should have just paid him the 2-3 year deal in Spring of 23. You'd have 1 more year and then a likely 3rd year which allows for escape. Instead we are at risk of losing our best offensive skill player.


They tried.

Mr. Team Player got offended at being comped to Nick Chubb and Derrick Henry.



His reported counter to the Giants was for less $ gtd than Henry got in 2020 (and Henry got a $2m raise on that deal in 2022). It was also for a net of less "new" guaranteed money than Chubb got since Chubb wasn't franchise tagged with a guaranteed $10m when he got extended.

If Barkley gets more than $12m gtd in this cycle he is ahead of his own counter offer to the Giants.

I'm confused by the significance of "new" guaranteed money, since the context of the negotiation is such that a multiyear deal would have precluded/replaced the tag. Being "new" money on top of the tag value was irrelevant in 2023. It might matter now that Barkley has already banked one tag year, but a year ago it would not have been relevant in terms of validating comps.

I'm also confused by your note about this cycle in response to my post - I was clearly referring to last year's negotiations. Is your point just that Barkley will ultimately make more money by having been tagged last year and now signing a new contract this offseason? If so, I'm not disputing that.
im confused by what you're confused about  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 4:37 pm : link
the tag guaranteed him $10m last year. that was money in his pocket during the negotiations, and is now money in his pockets literally even though neither side agreed to an extension. he asked for somewhere between 12-13m more than what was already guaranteed to him by the tag.

when nick chubb extended he was on the final year of his rookie deal with a scheduled salary near league minimum and got 17m fully guaranteed he wouldnt have had otherwise.
RE: What happens with Barkley may be telling of their draft plans, too.  
Danny Kanell : 2/26/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16408597 mittenedman said:
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They view Barkley as a great piece to pair with a rookie QB.

He's a veteran that knows the offense cold, knows the protection schemes and can take a lot of heat off the QB with the attention he draws.

If they are bringing in a rookie QB, you want Barkley in that "side saddle".


I've had this thought too. There could be some added value there with a rookie QB having an established RB in his first couple of years.

I still think Barkley will get more in the open market with his name alone than with what the Giants will be willing to offer him.
RE: RE: What happens with Barkley may be telling of their draft plans, too.  
Chris684 : 2/26/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16408704 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 16408597 mittenedman said:


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They view Barkley as a great piece to pair with a rookie QB.

He's a veteran that knows the offense cold, knows the protection schemes and can take a lot of heat off the QB with the attention he draws.

If they are bringing in a rookie QB, you want Barkley in that "side saddle".



I've had this thought too. There could be some added value there with a rookie QB having an established RB in his first couple of years.

I still think Barkley will get more in the open market with his name alone than with what the Giants will be willing to offer him.


I'd subscribe more to the theory of..what place does a vet RB have here if you're transitioning to a young QB.
RE: I'm confused by what you're confused about  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/26/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16408703 Eric on Li said:
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The tag guaranteed him $10m last year. That was money in his pocket during the negotiations, and is now money in his pockets literally even though neither side agreed to an extension. He asked for somewhere between $12-13m more than what was already guaranteed to him by the tag.

When Nick Chubb extended he was on the final year of his rookie deal with a scheduled salary near league minimum and got $17m fully guaranteed he wouldn't have had otherwise.

Ok, but we have a pretty good idea about the Giants last two offers in 2023, and the Chubb comp had already been adjusted for context and inflation, hadn't it?

The Giants weren't offering Chubb's contract to Barkley, IIRC; they were framing the negotiation with Chubb's contract as one of the reference points to reset the conversation in a way that basically shifted the comp baseline away from CMC and more toward the top of the run-first RBs, but not up to the do-it-all CMC level.
 
christian : 2/26/2024 5:09 pm : link
Based on the tiny numbers that reportedly separated the sides, it seems like Schoen didn't prioritize Barkley in the same ways some fans do.

If Schoen wasn't willing to give Barkley guaranteed money in year 8 last time, I'd question his plan if he's now willing to do so.
Giving a few million more dollars to Saquon last year would have not  
ThomasG : 2/26/2024 5:32 pm : link
been the right decision. But it would have been exponentially better than the misguided path of giving Daniel Jones that silly contract, "A-Graded" no less, versus a simple tag followed by a quick release before the 2024 season.

But let's keep the band together as long as possible. Tag Barkley or just give him those extra cap dollars the NFL just allocated. Why would this franchise ever do some serious soul-searching (that's a lot of alliteration) and come to see that last Lombardi trophy continues to blind them each and every year since.
Seems like the end of an era  
eric2425ny : 2/26/2024 5:44 pm : link
Not a great era, but I don’t blame Barkley for that. He didn’t pick Jones and crappy lineman for several years. I wish him well and hope he goes to a team he can win with.
Should  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/26/2024 5:48 pm : link
have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.
RE: RE: I'm confused by what you're confused about  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16408718 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16408703 Eric on Li said:


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The tag guaranteed him $10m last year. That was money in his pocket during the negotiations, and is now money in his pockets literally even though neither side agreed to an extension. He asked for somewhere between $12-13m more than what was already guaranteed to him by the tag.

When Nick Chubb extended he was on the final year of his rookie deal with a scheduled salary near league minimum and got $17m fully guaranteed he wouldn't have had otherwise.


Ok, but we have a pretty good idea about the Giants last two offers in 2023, and the Chubb comp had already been adjusted for context and inflation, hadn't it?

The Giants weren't offering Chubb's contract to Barkley, IIRC; they were framing the negotiation with Chubb's contract as one of the reference points to reset the conversation in a way that basically shifted the comp baseline away from CMC and more toward the top of the run-first RBs, but not up to the do-it-all CMC level.


most players starting points for negotiations are different.

chubb got 3x36m, 17m fully gtd, 20m practically gtd - 1 year ahead of FA
cmc got 4x64, 30m fully gtd, 38m practically gtd - again farther from FA
henry got 4x50m, 25.5m fully gtd, and after just playing it to completion (rare) he ended up getting paid an extra 2m from the raise (even rarer)

with 10m already banked on the tag bc he was at FA barkley's ask was:

+12-13m gtd
3x39-40m total contract

does barkley's supposed ask look more like chubb or cmc/henry?

and the giants 2 offers he passed on were actually both arguably lesser deals than chubbs when you factor out the tag. 1 of them only had +9m of new gtd $ over the tag at an AAV 1m higher than chubb, the other was +12m gtd $ but a lower AAV than chubb by 1m.
here's another way to think about it  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 6:00 pm : link
barkley had a bad year
barkley got hurt and missed time again

and he is still projected to easily secure more money from whoever signs him having passed on the giant offers.

spielberger had his projection at 2x22m with 15m gtd before the new cap was announced higher than expected.
RE: Should  
Blue21 : 2/26/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16408776 Eric from BBI said:
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have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.
I agree. I think they got fooled into thinking they were in their way because they made the playoffs. Personally I like the two back or multi back system like the Patriots and others use. If one gets hurt your tank isn't empty.
I know everyone’s feelings about Barkley  
Rjanyg : 2/26/2024 6:25 pm : link
People say that Barkley may have lost a step. That he is always injured. He used to have these explosive long runs and never dropped the football. He dances to much in the backfield.

Is it also possible that ever since Daboll showed up, he became a more patient runner and had fewer runs for a loss, stopped dancing, blocked a little better, learned that not every time you touch the ball you need to score?

Young Barkley was always trying to hit a home run. Some times he scored, other times he was tackled for 5-7 yard loss. I think he has been coached to be more patient as a runner, and focus on gaining yards, tough yards over always bouncing outside and causing holding plays and TFL’s.

Just my observation.



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christian : 2/26/2024 6:38 pm : link
There is a lot of supply, and it appears teams are not going to use the tender on the big name UFAs. I wouldn't feel comfortable making a guess as to any contract values in this environment.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 2/26/2024 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16408817 christian said:
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There is a lot of supply, and it appears teams are not going to use the tender on the big name UFAs. I wouldn't feel comfortable making a guess as to any contract values in this environment.


We could comfortably replace Team Barkley for much less.

Gus Edwards is projected at $3.5M+. Devin Singletary at $5M+.

I would take those two as RBBC for year...
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2024 6:57 pm : link
It was idiotic AF that he wasn't even on the trading block this past season. But he sells tickets & merch & all that jazz...(rolling eyes).

He seems like a good dude, but I won't be losing sleep if he lands elsewhere. Hell, he could end up as an Eagle or Cowboy & I'd still be 'Whatever.'
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16408817 christian said:
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There is a lot of supply, and it appears teams are not going to use the tender on the big name UFAs. I wouldn't feel comfortable making a guess as to any contract values in this environment.


which non-tags do you mean? the 2 ive seen i think are $ decisions (jacobs would cost 14m+, evans would cost 28m+ and they have no qb under contract). barkley non-tag i think is mostly about the hostile situation it would create.

the players who teams want to keep/extend go down to the last minute and that group is going to get most of the tags (burns, dugger, pittman, winfield, wilkins, sneed, madubuike, jones, allen, johnson, maybe huff/greenard too).

higgins getting tagged this early is the bengals basically admitting they arent trying to extend him (and presumably open to trade offers).
 
christian : 2/26/2024 7:08 pm : link
I'm referring to the running back market.
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RE: ...  
bw in dc : 2/26/2024 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16408833 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It was idiotic AF that he wasn't even on the trading block this past season. But he sells tickets & merch & all that jazz...(rolling eyes).

He seems like a good dude, but I won't be losing sleep if he lands elsewhere. Hell, he could end up as an Eagle or Cowboy & I'd still be 'Whatever.'


Per Eric (above):

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5:48 pm : link : reply
have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.


I don't remember a report on offers. If so, it's another ding on Schoen as GM.
bw in dc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2024 7:20 pm : link
If I recall correctly, we weren't even entertaining offers. Like WTF are we doing? Not as egregious as Gettleman refusing to even pick up the phone in '18 for a possible trade with the second pick, but really fucking bad. And I think Joe not even putting Saquon on the market was a John call.
Spend the money on the ol  
Mattman : 2/26/2024 8:08 pm : link
And have a stable of later round drafted running backs to use and abuse

Jim Brown and Barry sanders were the only RBs who elevated the line rather than the other way around. We’ve proven Barkley ain’t either of them
RE: Tag does not compute  
56goat : 2/26/2024 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16408529 JonC said:
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In fact, I'd suggest they haven't learned their lesson if they do tag him.


+1
RE: Spend the money on the ol  
Spider56 : 2/27/2024 8:11 am : link
In comment 16408881 Mattman said:
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And have a stable of later round drafted running backs to use and abuse

Jim Brown and Barry sanders were the only RBs who elevated the line rather than the other way around. We’ve proven Barkley ain’t either of them


Only these 2 ? I guess guys like Earl Campbell, Eric D, LaDaine T, OJ, Tony D, Herschel W, and several others were just chopped liver.
If you wanna say good bye to Saquon keep in mind you have to have a  
Optimus-NY : 2/27/2024 8:22 am : link
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson


If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.

Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.


2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
The issue is Barkley has seen stardom in college and enough  
nygiantfan : 2/27/2024 8:36 am : link
in the pros that he is convinced he is (still) an elite player in this league and wants money that those types of players get.

His problem is two-fold though and that is 1) he really only looks good in comparison to poor talent/options on the NYG Offense and that isn't the case if you compare him to the NFL's other top offensive players and 2) he is a running back and one that has lost his big-play capabilities through injury and time.

Not having several other RBs on the team currently to rely upon is a problem. But it isn't why Barkley should be a default to return. It's a sign to move on and probably a sign that needed attention before this offseason.
I feel for Saquon  
Shecky : 2/27/2024 8:53 am : link
Such an amazing person, was a great player. The ideal person to represent the franchise.

But he wants to be paid way more tahn any franchise will pay him. It sucks, but that's the RB market now.

And he is about to head into FA with wayyyy too many good RB's available at a probably much lower prices than he thinks he is worth.
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christian : 2/27/2024 9:19 am : link
It's going to be a game of musical chairs in UFA, and there are also probably 5 prospective day 2 prospects.

My guess is we'll see a lot of patience in the market. And possibly some brand names unsigned until after the draft.
RE: Should  
AcidTest : 2/27/2024 9:26 am : link
In comment 16408776 Eric from BBI said:
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have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.


Yup.
RE: If you wanna say good bye to Saquon keep in mind you have to have a  
Scooter185 : 2/27/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16409021 Optimus-NY said:
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replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson

If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.

Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )


KC found their RB in the 7th round. NYG will be fine without Saquon
KC found their RB because they have their HoF QB  
UConn4523 : 2/27/2024 9:37 am : link
Sign me up for that strategy. Until then we need an influx of talent at RB because most 7th rounders are dogshit. We need to spend a solid pick and bring in a good vet. And that’s assuming Gray can get better and have a role here - if not he will need to be replaced too
RE: ...  
FStubbs : 2/27/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16409096 christian said:
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It's going to be a game of musical chairs in UFA, and there are also probably 5 prospective day 2 prospects.

My guess is we'll see a lot of patience in the market. And possibly some brand names unsigned until after the draft.


Yup. There's a good chance Barkley's best offer is a return to the Giants.
RE: If you wanna say good bye to Saquon keep in mind you have to have a  
Dankbeerman : 2/27/2024 9:40 am : link
In comment 16409021 Optimus-NY said:
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replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson

If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.

Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
I would bring in Antonio Gibson. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Washington but think he is a good part
Good... let him walk!  
chitt17 : 2/27/2024 9:49 am : link
He screwed himself and the team when turned down the 3 year deal last year.
The team could have then tagged Jones.
But he has overestimated his value.
No one to blame but himself.
RE: RE: If you wanna say good bye to Saquon keep in mind you have to have a  
Gusto1903 : 2/27/2024 10:00 am : link
In comment 16409121 Dankbeerman said:
Quote:
In comment 16409021 Optimus-NY said:


Quote:


replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson

If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.

Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )

I would bring in Antonio Gibson. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Washington but think he is a good part



Gibson cant stay healthy. Like really healthy, hs always plays hurt.
Not tagging Barkley means nothing  
Reale01 : 2/27/2024 10:07 am : link
Anybody with any sense knew this would be the case. Team Barkley certainly knew. It simply means that the Giants did not think he was worth the apx 12 million that the tag would cost.

I think both sides will negotiate in good faith and that he will be signed for 4 years 32m, 14m SB, 18m guaranteed.

Bonus hit 3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Salary hit 2G, 2G, 4, 10

Cap hit 5.5, 5.5, 7.5, 13.5

Plus incentives around games played.
Sign and trade him to move up in the draft  
GiantTuff1 : 2/27/2024 10:08 am : link
to take the QB du jour.

The guy to watch is where Marvin Harrison Jr goes...

If there is a QB the Giants covet on the board when Arizona is picking at 4 and MHJ goes in the first 3 picks, I could see Arizona taking a package from NYG that includes Barkley, to drop back to 6 and take Odunze or Nabers.

Murray - Barkley - Odunze / Nabers
RE: Should  
GiantTuff1 : 2/27/2024 10:10 am : link
In comment 16408776 Eric from BBI said:
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have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.

Yup.

NYG tagline "Always a year too late. Guaranteed!"
shecky not sure the bold is true.  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16409063 Shecky said:
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Such an amazing person, was a great player. The ideal person to represent the franchise.

But he wants to be paid way more tahn any franchise will pay him. It sucks, but that's the RB market now.

And he is about to head into FA with wayyyy too many good RB's available at a probably much lower prices than he thinks he is worth.


brad spielberger updated his contract projection and not unlike fangraphs or mlbtr he tends to be pretty accurate. if this pans out barkley's total post-rookie deal haul including tag would be 4 years, 46.8m, $30m gtd. the 30m gtd is more than taylor just got and basically tied with what cmc got even with a lower aav.

his ask to nyg last year was supposedly around 22-23m guaranteed and 39m total, inclusive of the tag, so even off his worst year as a pro he looks to be coming out ahead.

PFF NY Giants
@PFF_Giants
Saquon Barkley's projected contract, per
@PFF_Brad

I love D. Swift  
Dnew15 : 2/27/2024 10:15 am : link
he's always been a favorite player of mine to watch. Would love to see him in blue if SB moves on and the price is right.
Fine with letting him walk, but Schoen really fucked up  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/27/2024 10:17 am : link
not trading him last season. What a brutal mistake.
this seems like a notable comment from schoen  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 10:19 am : link
Quote:
Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL
#Giants general manager Joe Schoen on
@saquon
: “I think the world of Saquon and I still think he can play. My value for Saquon hasn't changed' added that he will meet with and has a good relationship with Ed Berry, Barkley's agent, of
@caa_sports

@KPRC2
#NFLCombine


last year the giants offers were supposedly:

3x13m with 19.5m gtd
3x11m with 22m gtd

cap now up 13% from last year, 5% farther than expected, so all this pretty much converges with spielberger's projection.
The best move for the Giants is  
ajr2456 : 2/27/2024 10:42 am : link
To grab one of Benson, Estime or Corum on day 3, and see if they can get a guy like Swift or Moss on a one year deal
RE: The best move for the Giants is  
Sammo85 : 2/27/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16409201 ajr2456 said:
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To grab one of Benson, Estime or Corum on day 3, and see if they can get a guy like Swift or Moss on a one year deal


Yup. Totally agreed.
I love Barkley  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 2/27/2024 11:35 am : link

But he’s useless unless we buy some talent at the Guard position. Fix the OL
RE: Should  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/27/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16408776 Eric from BBI said:
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have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.


I agree, silly, and not doing so certainly adds to the Mara-meddling crowd.

That said, he is loved in the locker room and almost surely the team wouldn't have played hard if they moved him at the trade deadline.
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