If I recall correctly, we weren't even entertaining offers. Like WTF are we doing? Not as egregious as Gettleman refusing to even pick up the phone in '18 for a possible trade with the second pick, but really fucking bad. And I think Joe not even putting Saquon on the market was a John call.
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
in the pros that he is convinced he is (still) an elite player in this league and wants money that those types of players get.
His problem is two-fold though and that is 1) he really only looks good in comparison to poor talent/options on the NYG Offense and that isn't the case if you compare him to the NFL's other top offensive players and 2) he is a running back and one that has lost his big-play capabilities through injury and time.
Not having several other RBs on the team currently to rely upon is a problem. But it isn't why Barkley should be a default to return. It's a sign to move on and probably a sign that needed attention before this offseason.
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
KC found their RB in the 7th round. NYG will be fine without Saquon
Sign me up for that strategy. Until then we need an influx of talent at RB because most 7th rounders are dogshit. We need to spend a solid pick and bring in a good vet. And that’s assuming Gray can get better and have a role here - if not he will need to be replaced too
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
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I would bring in Antonio Gibson. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Washington but think he is a good part
He screwed himself and the team when turned down the 3 year deal last year.
The team could have then tagged Jones.
But he has overestimated his value.
No one to blame but himself.
RE: RE: If you wanna say good bye to Saquon keep in mind you have to have a
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
I would bring in Antonio Gibson. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Washington but think he is a good part
Gibson cant stay healthy. Like really healthy, hs always plays hurt.
Anybody with any sense knew this would be the case. Team Barkley certainly knew. It simply means that the Giants did not think he was worth the apx 12 million that the tag would cost.
I think both sides will negotiate in good faith and that he will be signed for 4 years 32m, 14m SB, 18m guaranteed.
The guy to watch is where Marvin Harrison Jr goes...
If there is a QB the Giants covet on the board when Arizona is picking at 4 and MHJ goes in the first 3 picks, I could see Arizona taking a package from NYG that includes Barkley, to drop back to 6 and take Odunze or Nabers.
Such an amazing person, was a great player. The ideal person to represent the franchise.
But he wants to be paid way more tahn any franchise will pay him. It sucks, but that's the RB market now.
And he is about to head into FA with wayyyy too many good RB's available at a probably much lower prices than he thinks he is worth.
brad spielberger updated his contract projection and not unlike fangraphs or mlbtr he tends to be pretty accurate. if this pans out barkley's total post-rookie deal haul including tag would be 4 years, 46.8m, $30m gtd. the 30m gtd is more than taylor just got and basically tied with what cmc got even with a lower aav.
his ask to nyg last year was supposedly around 22-23m guaranteed and 39m total, inclusive of the tag, so even off his worst year as a pro he looks to be coming out ahead.
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last year the giants offers were supposedly:
3x13m with 19.5m gtd
3x11m with 22m gtd
cap now up 13% from last year, 5% farther than expected, so all this pretty much converges with spielberger's projection.
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He seems like a good dude, but I won't be losing sleep if he lands elsewhere. Hell, he could end up as an Eagle or Cowboy & I'd still be 'Whatever.'
Per Eric (above):
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have moved him last year. It was reported there were offers.
I don't remember a report on offers. If so, it's another ding on Schoen as GM.
Jim Brown and Barry sanders were the only RBs who elevated the line rather than the other way around. We’ve proven Barkley ain’t either of them
+1
Jim Brown and Barry sanders were the only RBs who elevated the line rather than the other way around. We’ve proven Barkley ain’t either of them
Only these 2 ? I guess guys like Earl Campbell, Eric D, LaDaine T, OJ, Tony D, Herschel W, and several others were just chopped liver.
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
His problem is two-fold though and that is 1) he really only looks good in comparison to poor talent/options on the NYG Offense and that isn't the case if you compare him to the NFL's other top offensive players and 2) he is a running back and one that has lost his big-play capabilities through injury and time.
Not having several other RBs on the team currently to rely upon is a problem. But it isn't why Barkley should be a default to return. It's a sign to move on and probably a sign that needed attention before this offseason.
But he wants to be paid way more tahn any franchise will pay him. It sucks, but that's the RB market now.
And he is about to head into FA with wayyyy too many good RB's available at a probably much lower prices than he thinks he is worth.
My guess is we'll see a lot of patience in the market. And possibly some brand names unsigned until after the draft.
Yup.
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options - By Dallas Robinson - February 23, 2024 | 4:00 PM EST - ( New Window )
KC found their RB in the 7th round. NYG will be fine without Saquon
My guess is we'll see a lot of patience in the market. And possibly some brand names unsigned until after the draft.
Yup. There's a good chance Barkley's best offer is a return to the Giants.
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
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The team could have then tagged Jones.
But he has overestimated his value.
No one to blame but himself.
Quote:
replacement in mind or on the roster already. The Giants' RB room is absolutely bereft of talent without Barkley. That's on Schoen. I'd try and re-sign him to a 4 year deal with an out after two years. During those two years they need to actually draft RBs that can take over for him. After than they can just release him. Right now, the Giants are in trouble without him. Here's a list of the top 10 running backs available in free agency in a few weeks according to profootballnetwork.com:
1) Saquon Barkley
2) Josh Jacobs
3) Derrick Henry
4) Tony Pollard
5) Austin Ekeler
6) D’Andre Swift
7) Zack Moss
8) J.K. Dobbins
9) Devin Singletary
10) Antonio Gibson
If they elect to not re-sign Saquon, then they had better draft a RB in the first 3 or 4 rounds and sign one of the other RBs from the list above.
Personally, I think Barkley is a leader on the team and can still play. I want him back and don't think he'll break the bank. His agent handling negotiations is no longer bumbling Kim Miale, but Ed Berry. Joe Schoen didn't hide his discontent with Saquon's previous representation. Schoen did go out of his way to point out Ed Berry's role (from CAA) in smoothing things out negotiation-wise last summer upon resolving the Saquon situation at the start of training camp. That should not be discounted. Based on that alone, I think there's a realistic chance that SB returns to the Giants after shopping his wares.
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I would bring in Antonio Gibson. Not sure why he fell out of favor in Washington but think he is a good part
Gibson cant stay healthy. Like really healthy, hs always plays hurt.
I think both sides will negotiate in good faith and that he will be signed for 4 years 32m, 14m SB, 18m guaranteed.
Bonus hit 3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
Salary hit 2G, 2G, 4, 10
Cap hit 5.5, 5.5, 7.5, 13.5
Plus incentives around games played.
The guy to watch is where Marvin Harrison Jr goes...
If there is a QB the Giants covet on the board when Arizona is picking at 4 and MHJ goes in the first 3 picks, I could see Arizona taking a package from NYG that includes Barkley, to drop back to 6 and take Odunze or Nabers.
Murray - Barkley - Odunze / Nabers
Yup.
NYG tagline "Always a year too late. Guaranteed!"
But he wants to be paid way more tahn any franchise will pay him. It sucks, but that's the RB market now.
And he is about to head into FA with wayyyy too many good RB's available at a probably much lower prices than he thinks he is worth.
brad spielberger updated his contract projection and not unlike fangraphs or mlbtr he tends to be pretty accurate. if this pans out barkley's total post-rookie deal haul including tag would be 4 years, 46.8m, $30m gtd. the 30m gtd is more than taylor just got and basically tied with what cmc got even with a lower aav.
his ask to nyg last year was supposedly around 22-23m guaranteed and 39m total, inclusive of the tag, so even off his worst year as a pro he looks to be coming out ahead.
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last year the giants offers were supposedly:
3x13m with 19.5m gtd
3x11m with 22m gtd
cap now up 13% from last year, 5% farther than expected, so all this pretty much converges with spielberger's projection.
Yup. Totally agreed.
But he’s useless unless we buy some talent at the Guard position. Fix the OL
I agree, silly, and not doing so certainly adds to the Mara-meddling crowd.
That said, he is loved in the locker room and almost surely the team wouldn't have played hard if they moved him at the trade deadline.