against Buffalo! And seeing him catch the ball and accelerate in some of those plays was incredible. Not to mention all the truck stick runs. Damn, we were spoiled!
How many similar players to Brandon Jacobs have there been??
I'd take his kid to play on the OL. He posts game film and workout film of him, Brayden clearly has "it". Gives me a reason to start watching Clemson games.
problem is we have nothing around him. Jacobs would crumble like blue cheese in this offense. I love the guy, but he would not shine behind fat, slow and untalented.
things would be better if we hit on some mid round picks just once in a while. Asking too much I guess. The last guy I started getting hopeful about was BEllinger and he literally disappeared this season. Seriously, is he even on planet earth anymore? Nice rookie year. POOOF...GONE.
That 5th round RB we trotted out there in 2024 sure didn't look like Brandon Jacobs.
Maybe one day.
RE: we have a much better player the last few years
problem is we have nothing around him. Jacobs would crumble like blue cheese in this offense. I love the guy, but he would not shine behind fat, slow and untalented.
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
because it's painfully obvious how easy it is or how fungible skill players can be IF you have the OL in place. Jacobs? No problem--1000 yards and postseason success. Ward? Same. Bradshaw? Same. And the highest drafted player in that group was Jacobs, in round 4.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
It's the OL and QB. EVerything else is gravy.
RE: given how money relates to positions these days,
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
He could knock the snot out of someone when he wanted, but most of the time he ran too upright. Very good player but he was never a top 10 back in the league. I preferred Bradshaw to him.
Being first in the league in rushing and first in sacks. Man I loved that team. It’s so hard to watch Barkley slam into the line for no gain week after week.
because it's painfully obvious how easy it is or how fungible skill players can be IF you have the OL in place. Jacobs? No problem--1000 yards and postseason success. Ward? Same. Bradshaw? Same. And the highest drafted player in that group was Jacobs, in round 4.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
I agree, but the one thing Jacobs could do better than most is pass protect. He was an OK running back, the legend was bigger than his play. I loved his attitude and would like more guys like him because I think his attitude helped the Giants be a better team. Jacobs was a great complimentary back to Tiki and Bradshaw but both of those guys were #1 and Jacobs #2.
Barkley's lack of vision is very frustrating and is largely ignored. Yes, the Oline isn't great, but even when holes are open, he goes the wrong way a ton of the time. He looks great in space, but the plays to get him in space are so obvious the defense sees them coming.
RE: How many similar players to Brandon Jacobs have there been??
because it's painfully obvious how easy it is or how fungible skill players can be IF you have the OL in place. Jacobs? No problem--1000 yards and postseason success. Ward? Same. Bradshaw? Same. And the highest drafted player in that group was Jacobs, in round 4.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
It's the OL and QB. EVerything else is gravy.
Boss was the 5th-rounder while Zak DeOssie was the 4th-rounder.
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
I agree, but the one thing Jacobs could do better than most is pass protect. He was an OK running back, the legend was bigger than his play. I loved his attitude and would like more guys like him because I think his attitude helped the Giants be a better team. Jacobs was a great complimentary back to Tiki and Bradshaw but both of those guys were #1 and Jacobs #2.
True. It wasn't that BJ was the best running back or ever going to run for the most yards, it was the attitude. Didn't dance in the hole, didn't run out of bounds, ran over/through anybody in his way and dished out punishment. He can play on my team anytime.
Tiki Barber--behind a good OL and you get legendary performances.
Tiki is why I want to keep Barkley. Barkley can do 2005 Tiki things if the OL gets on board, in my view.
Barkley is not tiki barber. Please. Barber should be in the hof. Barkley doesn’t have half the vision or football IQ of tiki. Plus tiki turned himself into a great 3 down back who could block and his receiving ability is also light years ahead of Barkley
"From Walter Football:
10. Wisconsin image Braelon Allen, RB, Wisconsin
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2024): 3-5.
2/24/24: Allen is a huge power back who was a steady runner over the past three years. His best season was his freshman debut, when he averaged 6.8 yards per carry for 1,268 yards and 12 touchdowns. In 2022, he ran for 1,242 yards while averaging 5.4 yards. Last season, Allen averaged 5.4 yards again while totaling 984 yards and 12 touchdowns. He also showed more receiving ability in 2023 with 28 receptions for 131 yards."
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
+1. He wasn't even the best running back on the team, Bradshaw was. I'm not sure when ho got so great.
What is forgotten about Jacobs is how he would help wear down a defense.
On the Green Bay clip it mentions something similar when he knocks down Woodson after a few yard gain. A few hits like that and defenders get beat up and slow down. This opens up yards for the offense in total in the 2nd half.
Jacobs may not have been a great back, but he was a very good one. Bradshaw was my favorite too, but if you look at his career numbers and Jacobs', they're very close.
as much as I liked Jacobs, if I had to choose between he and Bradshaw, I'd take Bradshaw. Felt he was the more reliable and dynamic of the two.
Yes, If they could find a bulldozer like Jacobs, I'd love to sign that player.
against Buffalo! And seeing him catch the ball and accelerate in some of those plays was incredible. Not to mention all the truck stick runs. Damn, we were spoiled!
"From Walter Football:
10. Wisconsin image Braelon Allen, RB, Wisconsin
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2024): 3-5.
2/24/24: Allen is a huge power back who was a steady runner over the past three years. His best season was his freshman debut, when he averaged 6.8 yards per carry for 1,268 yards and 12 touchdowns. In 2022, he ran for 1,242 yards while averaging 5.4 yards. Last season, Allen averaged 5.4 yards again while totaling 984 yards and 12 touchdowns. He also showed more receiving ability in 2023 with 28 receptions for 131 yards."
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I would love this guy in the 4th.
RE: RE: Good grief he turned on the jets on that run
against Buffalo! And seeing him catch the ball and accelerate in some of those plays was incredible. Not to mention all the truck stick runs. Damn, we were spoiled!
Frank, are you confusing Jacobs with Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yard run aginst Buffalo to clinch playoffs in 2007? Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yd run sends Giants to playoffs - ( New Window )
And if we're wishing for a second coming of a player that has never been seen before or since, why Brandon Jacobs instead of Lawrence Taylor?
That 5th round RB we trotted out there in 2024 sure didn't look like Brandon Jacobs.
Maybe one day.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
It's the OL and QB. EVerything else is gravy.
Tiki is why I want to keep Barkley. Barkley can do 2005 Tiki things if the OL gets on board, in my view.
If nothing else I’ll always be thankful to him for that one short gain.
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Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
He could knock the snot out of someone when he wanted, but most of the time he ran too upright. Very good player but he was never a top 10 back in the league. I preferred Bradshaw to him.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
It's the OL and QB. EVerything else is gravy.
Yeah. Too bad we have neither
Jacobs
All better than Barkley
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
I agree, but the one thing Jacobs could do better than most is pass protect. He was an OK running back, the legend was bigger than his play. I loved his attitude and would like more guys like him because I think his attitude helped the Giants be a better team. Jacobs was a great complimentary back to Tiki and Bradshaw but both of those guys were #1 and Jacobs #2.
Barkley's lack of vision is very frustrating and is largely ignored. Yes, the Oline isn't great, but even when holes are open, he goes the wrong way a ton of the time. He looks great in space, but the plays to get him in space are so obvious the defense sees them coming.
Christian Okoye, Earl Campbell perhaps.
Cruz? Undrafted. Mario was a 3rd rounder. Nicks was the stud talent. Ballard was a late draft pick or undrafted. Boss was a 4th or 5th.
It is no coincidence. Go back to the 80s NYG teams. Joe Morris was a 2nd rounder. Ottis was an older player who still shined here. Meggett was a 5th rounder. Undrafted WRs all over the place--shining.
It's the OL and QB. EVerything else is gravy.
Boss was the 5th-rounder while Zak DeOssie was the 4th-rounder.
Quote:
Fun player. Great weapon. At his best, good for 1-2 big runs a game. Intimidating.
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
I agree, but the one thing Jacobs could do better than most is pass protect. He was an OK running back, the legend was bigger than his play. I loved his attitude and would like more guys like him because I think his attitude helped the Giants be a better team. Jacobs was a great complimentary back to Tiki and Bradshaw but both of those guys were #1 and Jacobs #2.
True. It wasn't that BJ was the best running back or ever going to run for the most yards, it was the attitude. Didn't dance in the hole, didn't run out of bounds, ran over/through anybody in his way and dished out punishment. He can play on my team anytime.
Tiki is why I want to keep Barkley. Barkley can do 2005 Tiki things if the OL gets on board, in my view.
Barkley is not tiki barber. Please. Barber should be in the hof. Barkley doesn’t have half the vision or football IQ of tiki. Plus tiki turned himself into a great 3 down back who could block and his receiving ability is also light years ahead of Barkley
10. Wisconsin image Braelon Allen, RB, Wisconsin
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2024): 3-5.
2/24/24: Allen is a huge power back who was a steady runner over the past three years. His best season was his freshman debut, when he averaged 6.8 yards per carry for 1,268 yards and 12 touchdowns. In 2022, he ran for 1,242 yards while averaging 5.4 yards. Last season, Allen averaged 5.4 yards again while totaling 984 yards and 12 touchdowns. He also showed more receiving ability in 2023 with 28 receptions for 131 yards."
And another source:
Braelon Allen (nfldraftbuzz.com) - ( New Window )
Nowhere near the player a lot of BBIers thought he was.
Yeah, he'd knock guys over. But then he'd fall down. He might get an extra 4-5 yards after that big hit, but he'd go down. Tacklers got hit hard but he didn't shed them and keep running. IIRC some BBIers compared him to Earl Campbell. BJ was much easier to tackle than Campbell. That's not a big knock on him; Campbell was probably the hardest guy to tackle I've ever seen. Nobody's in his league — not BJ, not anybody.
That's part of why he was a little overrated as a short-yardage back. He was ok. We all thought he'd be unstopple on short yardage because he was so damn big. But he had a high center of gravity and wasn't great at keeping his feet.
Also, yeah, he'd break big gainers, a couple a game. Huge! But he was usually caught from behind after about 30 yards. Not really a "home run hitter" in the way Tiki Barber and Joe Morris were. Fast for his size.
I think the Brandon Jacobs of a lot of fans' imagination was better than the real player. But, like I said: great weapon, fun to watch, even with his flaws. I'd take a guy like that again in a minute. But I'd rather have another Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris or Tiki Barber.
+1. He wasn't even the best running back on the team, Bradshaw was. I'm not sure when ho got so great.
Me too! I always thought Ahmad ran tougher than Jacobs.
On the Green Bay clip it mentions something similar when he knocks down Woodson after a few yard gain. A few hits like that and defenders get beat up and slow down. This opens up yards for the offense in total in the 2nd half.
Yes, If they could find a bulldozer like Jacobs, I'd love to sign that player.
Frank, are you confusing Jacobs with Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yard run aginst Buffalo to clinch playoffs in 2007?
Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yd run sends Giants to playoffs - ( New Window )
10. Wisconsin image Braelon Allen, RB, Wisconsin
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2024): 3-5.
2/24/24: Allen is a huge power back who was a steady runner over the past three years. His best season was his freshman debut, when he averaged 6.8 yards per carry for 1,268 yards and 12 touchdowns. In 2022, he ran for 1,242 yards while averaging 5.4 yards. Last season, Allen averaged 5.4 yards again while totaling 984 yards and 12 touchdowns. He also showed more receiving ability in 2023 with 28 receptions for 131 yards."
And another source: Braelon Allen (nfldraftbuzz.com) - ( New Window )
Quote:
against Buffalo! And seeing him catch the ball and accelerate in some of those plays was incredible. Not to mention all the truck stick runs. Damn, we were spoiled!
Frank, are you confusing Jacobs with Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yard run aginst Buffalo to clinch playoffs in 2007? Ahmad Bradshaw's 88 yd run sends Giants to playoffs - ( New Window )