1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
I'll be interested to hear how Schoen addresses the "Jones question".
The last time he was asked if he expected DJ to come back as the starter he simply said, "yes". But for the follow up, he gave as little information as possible and looked a bit uncomfortable answering the question.
1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
Is it customary for GMs to do this during the combine? If the beats do their jobs, it won't be an easy one. Questions about Jones, Barkley, McKinney, and draft/FA strategy abound.
He hasn't taken a swing yet to dramatically change the direction. I think that needs to happen this offseason. So far, he's just extended the Gettleman plan out.
There isn't much to get outraged out about the drafts. Go look at the Niners 2022 draft, awful. No team is going to regularly knock out the drafts. So far Thibodeaux looks like a nice player, not sure he'll ever be dominant. Robinson looks solid. Banks has promise. JMS we'll see with the new oline coach. If Neal can develop this year, that will help greatly.
But, this will be about the QB ultimately. If he sticks with Jones longer and fails, he's most likely gone. If he doesn't get the new QB right, he's most likely gone. He's gotta get it right.
pearls of wisdom forget it.
Schoen's pressers are more like Blah, Blah, Blah. He's not saying anything.
For example: "we will look to upgrade ALL positions, we might draft a QB, we might not.", " We might move up, or move down or stay at 6."
Says nothing. Live action Click bait.
It's not a worthless listen. The fans who are out for blood won't get their fill and neither will anyone expecting him to say something like we're moving on from Jones at first opportunity, but usually get some insights into some thinking and they way the team operates.
Expect canned answers on free agents like Barkley, McKinney. People will try and read tea leaves or over-interpret Schoens tone/body language to no avail.
I'd consider it a win, if media asked more incisive lines of question on what Schoen sees in this draft with depth, specific talent pools, what he's looking at in interviews and the actual physical drills.
Expect canned answers on free agents like Barkley, McKinney. People will try and read tea leaves or over-interpret Schoens tone/body language to no avail.
I'd consider it a win, if media asked more incisive lines of question on what Schoen sees in this draft with depth, specific talent pools, what he's looking at in interviews and the actual physical drills.
And people will 100% overreact when he says Daniel is rehabbing and working to be ready by training camp.
Schoen will answer. How he sees the draft, where he sees the depth. It doesn't give anything away, but he can give a direct answer to that specific question. Hopefully one of our beats asks him.
1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
We made the playoff one year and the other we won despite of a rash of injuries.. Signing DJ was the only real bad thing that I can blame Schoen for.. that was a stupid deal from day 1.. But Daboll has done a really good job over the past 2 years given the talent he had to work with.. Overall we are only 3 games below 500 under Daboll..
Over/under on how many minutes it takes Schoen before he mentions
are getting their arms nice and loose to throw those low arcing soft ball pitches that Schoen can hit into the upper deck.
But I was told the New York media just destroys anyone who is not uber-tough? Guys like Duggan, Stapleton and Schwartz have piles of bodies in their wake.
are getting their arms nice and loose to throw those low arcing soft ball pitches that Schoen can hit into the upper deck.
The irony is Leonard is actually tough and most Giant fans can't stand him. I recall Leonard pressing Mara on what Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell do back in 2022.
Seasons had been reversed? After the first season, Daniel Jones would have been gone or signed to a backup level contract and the Giants would have drafted a new QB. Barkley still could have been tagged or signed. The new QB would be leading a playoff team into 2024. Going into 2024, there would be no need to draft a QB, Barkley would either be signed to a long term contract or tagged. With a much greater cap, The team could be free to draft BPA and sign anyone they care to sign.
Sorry I should have put that on the Joe Schoen review thread.
Seasons had been reversed? After the first season, Daniel Jones would have been gone or signed to a backup level contract and the Giants would have drafted a new QB. Barkley still could have been tagged or signed. The new QB would be leading a playoff team into 2024. Going into 2024, there would be no need to draft a QB, Barkley would either be signed to a long term contract or tagged. With a much greater cap, The team could be free to draft BPA and sign anyone they care to sign.
The Colts and Viking wins were much more consequential than any win in 2023.
1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
We made the playoff one year and the other we won despite of a rash of injuries.. Signing DJ was the only real bad thing that I can blame Schoen for.. that was a stupid deal from day 1.. But Daboll has done a really good job over the past 2 years given the talent he had to work with.. Overall we are only 3 games below 500 under Daboll..
But the constant blaming of Gettleman for the current faults of the team is ridiculous. Let's take what you said, they made the playoffs in his first year when it was mostly Gettleman players. Does Gettleman get credit for that? Of course not but then why does Gettleman get blamed for the shitty year last year? It's insane.
Schoen will answer. How he sees the draft, where he sees the depth. It doesn't give anything away, but he can give a direct answer to that specific question. Hopefully one of our beats asks him.
I just hope media pivots to that so we can get some actual content and fun interactive thoughts/insight that doesn't give away state secrets or candy store.
Like - what did you see in general on your scouting trips this year? Any specific trends in college athletes? Schemes?
are getting their arms nice and loose to throw those low arcing soft ball pitches that Schoen can hit into the upper deck.
The irony is Leonard is actually tough and most Giant fans can't stand him. I recall Leonard pressing Mara on what Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell do back in 2022.
This^. If the New York sports media actually challenges a team or is tough on them, the fans cry their eyes out until it stops. That is why none of them do it. They care about clicks, not getting to the bottom of the story. When they post something provocative they are not being tough, they are driving clicks, which is why they don't need quotes or answers from people within the franchise.
Chris Simms
@CSimmsQB
This stood out from Giants GM Joe Schoen on Daniel Jones:
“The fact of the matter is, it’s 2 injuries in 3 years”
Obvious concern about his durability. Gotta think it means they bring in someone, whether it’s insurance or to compete as starter
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Joe Schoen said they will talk to Saquon’s representatives this week. That was the plan all along. Schoen said he’s a guy they’d like to have back. Same goes for Xavier McKinney.
Dan Salomone
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Schoen said Daniel Jones has been throwing for two weeks from a stationary position. He’s right on track. He hasn’t had any setbacks and should be ready for training camp.
Dan Salomone
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Joe Schoen said free agency will set the table for what they are going to do in the draft. “It’s an exciting time for us.”
Dan Salomone
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Schoen “thinks the world” of Saquon Barkley. He’s a captain and leader. They have a good relationship with his new agent.
GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants #Schoen - mentions they have a good relationship with Barkley's "new" agent ... (Note - as I've mentioned many times: Barkley brought in a CAA rep late last summer, his "new" agent, and they agreed to replace the tag with a one-yr deal)
Dan Salomone
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Joe Schoen said the increased salary cap is a “pleasant surprise.” They will recalibrate and see if it alters their plans.
Ryan Dunleavy
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Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
The last time he was asked if he expected DJ to come back as the starter he simply said, "yes". But for the follow up, he gave as little information as possible and looked a bit uncomfortable answering the question.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
as he is giving media addresses, we will have a very good team to root for!
There isn't much to get outraged out about the drafts. Go look at the Niners 2022 draft, awful. No team is going to regularly knock out the drafts. So far Thibodeaux looks like a nice player, not sure he'll ever be dominant. Robinson looks solid. Banks has promise. JMS we'll see with the new oline coach. If Neal can develop this year, that will help greatly.
But, this will be about the QB ultimately. If he sticks with Jones longer and fails, he's most likely gone. If he doesn't get the new QB right, he's most likely gone. He's gotta get it right.
Schoen's pressers are more like Blah, Blah, Blah. He's not saying anything.
For example: "we will look to upgrade ALL positions, we might draft a QB, we might not.", " We might move up, or move down or stay at 6."
Says nothing. Live action Click bait.
I'd consider it a win, if media asked more incisive lines of question on what Schoen sees in this draft with depth, specific talent pools, what he's looking at in interviews and the actual physical drills.
I'd consider it a win, if media asked more incisive lines of question on what Schoen sees in this draft with depth, specific talent pools, what he's looking at in interviews and the actual physical drills.
And people will 100% overreact when he says Daniel is rehabbing and working to be ready by training camp.
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1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
We made the playoff one year and the other we won despite of a rash of injuries.. Signing DJ was the only real bad thing that I can blame Schoen for.. that was a stupid deal from day 1.. But Daboll has done a really good job over the past 2 years given the talent he had to work with.. Overall we are only 3 games below 500 under Daboll..
But I was told the New York media just destroys anyone who is not uber-tough? Guys like Duggan, Stapleton and Schwartz have piles of bodies in their wake.
The irony is Leonard is actually tough and most Giant fans can't stand him. I recall Leonard pressing Mara on what Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell do back in 2022.
Yes.
The Colts and Viking wins were much more consequential than any win in 2023.
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1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
We made the playoff one year and the other we won despite of a rash of injuries.. Signing DJ was the only real bad thing that I can blame Schoen for.. that was a stupid deal from day 1.. But Daboll has done a really good job over the past 2 years given the talent he had to work with.. Overall we are only 3 games below 500 under Daboll..
But the constant blaming of Gettleman for the current faults of the team is ridiculous. Let's take what you said, they made the playoffs in his first year when it was mostly Gettleman players. Does Gettleman get credit for that? Of course not but then why does Gettleman get blamed for the shitty year last year? It's insane.
I just hope media pivots to that so we can get some actual content and fun interactive thoughts/insight that doesn't give away state secrets or candy store.
Like - what did you see in general on your scouting trips this year? Any specific trends in college athletes? Schemes?
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are getting their arms nice and loose to throw those low arcing soft ball pitches that Schoen can hit into the upper deck.
The irony is Leonard is actually tough and most Giant fans can't stand him. I recall Leonard pressing Mara on what Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell do back in 2022.
This^. If the New York sports media actually challenges a team or is tough on them, the fans cry their eyes out until it stops. That is why none of them do it. They care about clicks, not getting to the bottom of the story. When they post something provocative they are not being tough, they are driving clicks, which is why they don't need quotes or answers from people within the franchise.
Some of us, yes. Others won’t be satisfied until he promise to burn Jones at the stake
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GM Joe Schoen takes your questions LIVE from the NFL Combine today at approx. 10:45am!
Watch on YouTube, http://Giants.com, Giants App & GiantsTV
haha.
But seriously, 🛑
@CSimmsQB
This stood out from Giants GM Joe Schoen on Daniel Jones:
“The fact of the matter is, it’s 2 injuries in 3 years”
Obvious concern about his durability. Gotta think it means they bring in someone, whether it’s insurance or to compete as starter
lol, I keep reading about this big, bad NY media, but have yet to see it.
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Joe Schoen said they will talk to Saquon’s representatives this week. That was the plan all along. Schoen said he’s a guy they’d like to have back. Same goes for Xavier McKinney.
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said Daniel Jones has been throwing for two weeks from a stationary position. He’s right on track. He hasn’t had any setbacks and should be ready for training camp.
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said he has faith in Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback.
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen said free agency will set the table for what they are going to do in the draft. “It’s an exciting time for us.”
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen “thinks the world” of Saquon Barkley. He’s a captain and leader. They have a good relationship with his new agent.
@rydunleavy
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#Giants Joe Schoen says his value for Saquon Barkley hasnt changed
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen: “We want to build this through the draft.”
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants #Schoen - mentions they have a good relationship with Barkley's "new" agent ... (Note - as I've mentioned many times: Barkley brought in a CAA rep late last summer, his "new" agent, and they agreed to replace the tag with a one-yr deal)
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen said the increased salary cap is a “pleasant surprise.” They will recalibrate and see if it alters their plans.
@rydunleavy
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Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions