Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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6m
Joe Schoen said the franchise tag is not off the table for Saquon Barkley. But in a perfect world, that’s not what they want to do.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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5m
Schoen says franchise tag still on table for Saquon and the new cap makes it more possible but it’s not the ideal situation for anyone #giants
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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49s
Joe Schoen confirms he was on the coaches headset for Washington game and because they won and he is superstitious he stayed on until they lost.
Says it wasnt because of Brian Daboll-Wink Martindale coaching
‘Something I always wanted to do. Nothing sparked it.’ #Giants
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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6m
Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions
in the recalibration i would guess:
keeping waller becomes a lot more likely
keeping barkley becomes more likely
a tag for mckinney more likely
i think the ability to sign multiple big FA (let's say 10m+ aav) from other teams becomes less likely, bc those players are going to see the biggest "inflation".
more depth free agents on 1 year deals maybe, if there are enough worthwhile ones in the market.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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1m
Joe Schoen said he would not stop Brian Daboll from calling plays but those convos havent happened yet. He is just a ‘sounding board.’ They believe they are developing OC Mike Kafka as a head coach. It was Schoen’s preference Year 1 that not Daboll not call plays #giants
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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6m
Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions
in the recalibration i would guess:
keeping waller becomes a lot more likely
keeping barkley becomes more likely
a tag for mckinney more likely
i think the ability to sign multiple big FA (let's say 10m+ aav) from other teams becomes less likely, bc those players are going to see the biggest "inflation".
more depth free agents on 1 year deals maybe, if there are enough worthwhile ones in the market.
It really only makes the Waller decision more likely given they need cap space. Don't agree on the other two whatsoever.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - team heading in the right direction...had limited draft capital and salary cap issues...but added pieces to the depth chart and retained some good players..."better off than where we were"...plan is in place and it takes time
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - was conservative mapping out the salary cap....it was a larger jump and will re-calibrate....team has multiple needs - will use FA to set up for the draft
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Much more to come but a few quick notable comments from Joe Schoen:
• Daniel Jones is making progress in his ACL recovery and could participate in 7-on-7 drills this spring. Schoen said he still has faith in Jones, but continues to keep all options as far as drafting a QB.
• Schoen said he wants to retain Saquon and Xavier McKinney. He’ll meet with their agents this week to begin/resume negotiations.
• Schoen said he doesn’t want to franchise tag Saquon again, but said that’s not off the table. Schoen indicated that tags became more appealing after the cap increase.
• Schoen, predictably, downplayed all of the coaching staff issues last season.
Schoen was on with pft on peacock Simms and florio
It really only makes the Waller decision more likely given they need cap space. Don't agree on the other two whatsoever.
cool, let's assume you're correct, what do you see as the better use of the $30m or so of cap room they have this year, not to mention the 95m they project to have next year (which increases to 114m if they move off jones)?
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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4m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - learned from parcells not to be scheme-specific, it is best to just get "good" players....team has versatile players....new DC bowen prefers to stop the run on the way to the passer
was Schoen is not a dummy. Can see the risk of Jones being the QB in the room. I feel more confident they're not going to lazily throw a Trubisky or 35 yr old Taylor in the QB room alone.
Feel more confident we're getting a QB pick either Round 1 or 2.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - will look at every position in the 1st rd.....toughest part of evaluating a QB? got to learn about them as people because all can watch the tape - need to learn about a QB's makeup
The Minnesota playoff game makes an appearance when Schoen
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - team heading in the right direction...had limited draft capital and salary cap issues...but added pieces to the depth chart and retained some good players..."better off than where we were"...plan is in place and it takes time
this is the part of schoen that occasionally comes of as whiny to me. limited draft capital? he walked into a team with 2 top 7 picks and an extra 3rd. last year they picked up 2 comp picks and got an extra 3rd + 6th for toney. this year they got an extra 2nd for williams.
this 3 year draft run is by FAR the most draft capital the giants org has had in 3 decades.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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4m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - hard to quantify how a prospect, especially one who's mostly won, will handle the pressure in NY and adversity
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
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5m
Schoen on McKinney:
"We think a lot of X, he's a captain that played every snap and we look forward to start some negations this week. He's a guy we would like to have back."
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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4m
Joe Schoen told us in podium breakout, on Shane Bowen's defense: Expect front to attack more than the read and react under Wink. Less blitzing (obviously).
Did point out that Bowen had two good safeties (Hooker/Byard), both got second deals with Titans. #NYGiants
was Schoen is not a dummy. Can see the risk of Jones being the QB in the room. I feel more confident they're not going to lazily throw a Trubisky or 35 yr old Taylor in the QB room alone.
Feel more confident we're getting a QB pick either Round 1 or 2.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com -see jones as a guy who has all of the physical tools to play QB in the league....gone thru injuries and tough circumstances....still "have faith in daniel" and will continue to enhance his supporting cast so that he can have success
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - it helps to have as many offensive weapons as possible......WR room has various key traits and "adding another receiver is definitely in the mix", adding there are several other needs, too
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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38s
Joe Schoen is saying what he has to say regarding the faith he still has in Daniel Jones.
I don't believe that takes QB out of the mix at No. 6. At all.
What is he supposed to say publicly? Jones is on the team for 2024 + he gave him that contract a year ago. #NYGiants
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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4m
Joe Schoen told us in podium breakout, on Shane Bowen's defense: Expect front to attack more than the read and react under Wink. Less blitzing (obviously).
Did point out that Bowen had two good safeties (Hooker/Byard), both got second deals with Titans. #NYGiants
Need to upgrade the front then big-time and with depth.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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1m
Again, expecting Schoen to publicly move off Evan Neal as the right tackle in February is foolish. They will make that statement with their actions in free agency and the draft.
Well, Schoen got a tough question from a fan at least
But would Jones be a candidate for a trade with a pick attached to him? Kind of like the Brock Osweiler deal?
I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
But would Jones be a candidate for a trade with a pick attached to him? Kind of like the Brock Osweiler deal?
I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
The Giants would be eating the majority of the contract. I think the trading team would have a much more manageable deal which they could still get out of.
RE: Well, Schoen got a tough question from a fan at least
But would Jones be a candidate for a trade with a pick attached to him? Kind of like the Brock Osweiler deal?
I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
I believe his salary is $35.5 million this year and $30 million next. 2026 is the bad year at $46.5 million. Also Half a million in workout bonuses each year. Not sure if the Giants have to retain the restructured money ($2 million a year) if they trade him.
the receiving team has to take on 35m and an injured player.
what are you getting for $13m you can't already get with the $30m in cap space they have that is worth giving up a pick?
how much of that $13m needs to be reinvested in a veteran QB to backup whatever you do in the draft? where you now have 1 less pick to trade because you attached it to jones?
You probably have a better feel for Schoen than the rest of us, but phrasing things a couple times saying he has the PHYSICAL tools for QB, is not quite the same as he has ALL the tools for playing QB. And we know Jones issue is not "seeing" the field as quickly as he needs to.
@Dan_Salomone
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6m
Joe Schoen said the franchise tag is not off the table for Saquon Barkley. But in a perfect world, that’s not what they want to do.
@Dan_Salomone
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5m
Schoen said you never want to be picking in the top 10, but they’ll look at everything at No. 6.
@rydunleavy
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5m
Schoen says franchise tag still on table for Saquon and the new cap makes it more possible but it’s not the ideal situation for anyone #giants
@Dan_Salomone
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5m
Schoen said it’s a good quarterback draft class, not just at the top.
@rydunleavy
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49s
Joe Schoen confirms he was on the coaches headset for Washington game and because they won and he is superstitious he stayed on until they lost.
Says it wasnt because of Brian Daboll-Wink Martindale coaching
‘Something I always wanted to do. Nothing sparked it.’ #Giants
@Dan_Salomone
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1m
On the additions of some former Titans coaches to the staff, Schoen said they always had a “tough, physical team.”
@rydunleavy
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6m
Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions
in the recalibration i would guess:
keeping waller becomes a lot more likely
keeping barkley becomes more likely
a tag for mckinney more likely
i think the ability to sign multiple big FA (let's say 10m+ aav) from other teams becomes less likely, bc those players are going to see the biggest "inflation".
more depth free agents on 1 year deals maybe, if there are enough worthwhile ones in the market.
@Dan_Salomone
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56s
Joe Schoen said Mike Kafka is an “asset” in the building. He has a bright future. He’s in demand.
@Dan_Salomone
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5m
Schoen said you never want to be picking in the top 10, but they’ll look at everything at No. 6.
Unfortunately, I’d tell him he probably should get used to it.
@rydunleavy
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1m
Joe Schoen said he would not stop Brian Daboll from calling plays but those convos havent happened yet. He is just a ‘sounding board.’ They believe they are developing OC Mike Kafka as a head coach. It was Schoen’s preference Year 1 that not Daboll not call plays #giants
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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6m
Joe Schoen said #Giants were operating with conservative $241ish million salary-cap estimates so they will ‘recalibrate’ some decisions
in the recalibration i would guess:
keeping waller becomes a lot more likely
keeping barkley becomes more likely
a tag for mckinney more likely
i think the ability to sign multiple big FA (let's say 10m+ aav) from other teams becomes less likely, bc those players are going to see the biggest "inflation".
more depth free agents on 1 year deals maybe, if there are enough worthwhile ones in the market.
It really only makes the Waller decision more likely given they need cap space. Don't agree on the other two whatsoever.
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - team heading in the right direction...had limited draft capital and salary cap issues...but added pieces to the depth chart and retained some good players..."better off than where we were"...plan is in place and it takes time
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - was conservative mapping out the salary cap....it was a larger jump and will re-calibrate....team has multiple needs - will use FA to set up for the draft
@DDuggan21
Much more to come but a few quick notable comments from Joe Schoen:
• Daniel Jones is making progress in his ACL recovery and could participate in 7-on-7 drills this spring. Schoen said he still has faith in Jones, but continues to keep all options as far as drafting a QB.
• Schoen said he wants to retain Saquon and Xavier McKinney. He’ll meet with their agents this week to begin/resume negotiations.
• Schoen said he doesn’t want to franchise tag Saquon again, but said that’s not off the table. Schoen indicated that tags became more appealing after the cap increase.
• Schoen, predictably, downplayed all of the coaching staff issues last season.
It really only makes the Waller decision more likely given they need cap space. Don't agree on the other two whatsoever.
cool, let's assume you're correct, what do you see as the better use of the $30m or so of cap room they have this year, not to mention the 95m they project to have next year (which increases to 114m if they move off jones)?
here's a top 200 list with contract projections to make it easy for u - if u cant see $ projections most of the top 75 are projected at 10m per year or higher and ill report back on the contracts of the players you choose if you'd like.
2024 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players set to enter free agency - ( New Window )
@giantswfan
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4m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - learned from parcells not to be scheme-specific, it is best to just get "good" players....team has versatile players....new DC bowen prefers to stop the run on the way to the passer
Feel more confident we're getting a QB pick either Round 1 or 2.
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - will look at every position in the 1st rd.....toughest part of evaluating a QB? got to learn about them as people because all can watch the tape - need to learn about a QB's makeup
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - team heading in the right direction...had limited draft capital and salary cap issues...but added pieces to the depth chart and retained some good players..."better off than where we were"...plan is in place and it takes time
this is the part of schoen that occasionally comes of as whiny to me. limited draft capital? he walked into a team with 2 top 7 picks and an extra 3rd. last year they picked up 2 comp picks and got an extra 3rd + 6th for toney. this year they got an extra 2nd for williams.
this 3 year draft run is by FAR the most draft capital the giants org has had in 3 decades.
@giantswfan
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4m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - hard to quantify how a prospect, especially one who's mostly won, will handle the pressure in NY and adversity
@GiantInsider
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5m
Schoen on McKinney:
"We think a lot of X, he's a captain that played every snap and we look forward to start some negations this week. He's a guy we would like to have back."
@art_stapleton
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4m
Joe Schoen told us in podium breakout, on Shane Bowen's defense: Expect front to attack more than the read and react under Wink. Less blitzing (obviously).
Did point out that Bowen had two good safeties (Hooker/Byard), both got second deals with Titans. #NYGiants
Feel more confident we're getting a QB pick either Round 1 or 2.
+1
@giantswfan
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2m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com -see jones as a guy who has all of the physical tools to play QB in the league....gone thru injuries and tough circumstances....still "have faith in daniel" and will continue to enhance his supporting cast so that he can have success
If it's lying season he did his best to convincingly do it.
@giantswfan
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1m
#NYGiants #Schoen tells #Giants.com - it helps to have as many offensive weapons as possible......WR room has various key traits and "adding another receiver is definitely in the mix", adding there are several other needs, too
@art_stapleton
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38s
Joe Schoen is saying what he has to say regarding the faith he still has in Daniel Jones.
I don't believe that takes QB out of the mix at No. 6. At all.
What is he supposed to say publicly? Jones is on the team for 2024 + he gave him that contract a year ago. #NYGiants
@art_stapleton
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4m
Joe Schoen told us in podium breakout, on Shane Bowen's defense: Expect front to attack more than the read and react under Wink. Less blitzing (obviously).
Did point out that Bowen had two good safeties (Hooker/Byard), both got second deals with Titans. #NYGiants
Need to upgrade the front then big-time and with depth.
I do like Bowen's style of defense. Attack the line....
@art_stapleton
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2m
Joe Schoen did say that Evan Neal is progressing in his rehab and the right tackle. #NYGiants
@art_stapleton
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1m
Again, expecting Schoen to publicly move off Evan Neal as the right tackle in February is foolish. They will make that statement with their actions in free agency and the draft.
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I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
Good question. I notice he always says "...has all the physical tools..."
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But would Jones be a candidate for a trade with a pick attached to him? Kind of like the Brock Osweiler deal?
I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
The Giants would be eating the majority of the contract. I think the trading team would have a much more manageable deal which they could still get out of.
lmao. Schoen's face during that question.
Miss Burke looking very attractive today.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
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But would Jones be a candidate for a trade with a pick attached to him? Kind of like the Brock Osweiler deal?
I think it would have to be a very high pick, and likely more than one. Selling to your fanbase that you just acquired Daniel Jones and his $40M contract is a hard sell unless you sell it as "we got all of these great resources and we just had to absorb one year of a bad contract."
I believe his salary is $35.5 million this year and $30 million next. 2026 is the bad year at $46.5 million. Also Half a million in workout bonuses each year. Not sure if the Giants have to retain the restructured money ($2 million a year) if they trade him.
what are you getting for $13m you can't already get with the $30m in cap space they have that is worth giving up a pick?
how much of that $13m needs to be reinvested in a veteran QB to backup whatever you do in the draft? where you now have 1 less pick to trade because you attached it to jones?
You probably have a better feel for Schoen than the rest of us, but phrasing things a couple times saying he has the PHYSICAL tools for QB, is not quite the same as he has ALL the tools for playing QB. And we know Jones issue is not "seeing" the field as quickly as he needs to.