and I don't think we can draw any conclusions yet. I mean honestly you can't count on Jones (even outside of performance) as he has had two major neck injuries (well one major and mysterious and one "recurrence" off a solid hit but not one that would knock a QB out for a few weeks unless they had a prior injury to their neck) and now a major knee injury.
If we move away from a QB at 6, then us dropping down becomes a big possibility- fill our depth with multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks..
but I hope he understands he wasn't actually in charge in Buffalo. He can't get through an interview without bragging about the great job his boss did building that program.
i didnt hear it, but he is correct to play down the need at WR.
slayton and robinson are legitimate starters worthy of targets.
hyatt and hodgins have shown enough that they too are worthy of targets.
waller whenever healthy is still productive with whatever targets he gets and bellinger is still a quality #2 te.
it would be great to add an alpha like odunze but they dont need to and they certainly dont need to overpay a gabe davis type. just draft another quality talent day 2. there are tons of good receivers in draft every year now. look no farther than rashee rice, jayden reed, tank dell, and hyatt from last year's day 2.
He references the Niners aggressively moving up for QB and now he's playing with Dallas. Link - ( New Window )
Uh-oh, really not impressed with his answer there. Hopium stuff that presumes that the Giants only need to go out and build a pro bowl surrounding around Jones. Jones's contract doesn't allow that level of time/resources investment!
He references the Niners aggressively moving up for QB and now he's playing with Dallas. Link - ( New Window )
-Road playoff win in Minnesota
-Look at Purdy's supporting cast
He could be a poster here.
Lame stuff that is actually insulting to Purdy, a guy whose rankend in the top 5 of any relevant metric since he started throwing the ball for the 49ers.
This isn't limited to Schoen, either. Ranaan made the case the Jones would be awesome on the 49ers on his podcast recently.
1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
I agree 100%. I was thinking last night about the player intake and players lost since Schoen took over. Not to mention the Giants wins/losses record these last 2 years.
We're better. I know we still sucked in 23 and if things go south in 24 it won't be an easy pill to swallow but the roster is better while being cap crunched and the team is 16-19-1 where as the prior 2 seasons they were 10-23 and sort of capped out or close to peak cap.
The Giants have brought or re-signed the following (2023):
Thibs
Robinson
Flott
Belton
McFadden
Hodgins (cost us nothing helped win playoff game)
Dex
Thomas
Barkley
(Jones)
(neal)
() indicates a jury out but sort of excusable move --don't start a war about Jones we can agree it's a miss but to me not indicative of a toxic or messy regime. I have no dog in this race I don't need to defend Schoen. TO me this move doesn't scream over his head or incapability. DJ's contract was responsible if it was not successful.
2024:
Okereke
Nacho
Banks
Devito (for nothing)
(JMS)
(Hyatt)
(hawkins)
(Riley)
(Owens)
Olszewski
Waller
Re-signed Slayton (bargain even if he should not be #1)
*Campbell (bust but cheap and short term)
Traded Leonard Williams (I like the player, wanted him back but applaud this move)
Lost Feliciano (not their best move)
I cannot think of any other losses that hurt.
His drafts can be considered a B- but it's early. If Neal develops it can easily be graded as A but big if.
We have not atrophied despite the economic books getting cleaner. DJ contract hysterics needs to stop already. QBs get paid. He was young and coming off a good year. He's cuttable next year. HE will be closer to the 17th or so paid QB by April.
I hope, I pray that this is similar to year 2 of Thibs and Rose with the Knicks. Good first year. Stepback in year 2. Signed Brunson and away they went. Not perfect. Not exactly linear, but slow steady upgrades and they are now an elite team poised to be in the hunt for years to come. We can only hope...
He references the Niners aggressively moving up for QB and now he's playing with Dallas. Link - ( New Window )
-Road playoff win in Minnesota
-Look at Purdy's supporting cast
He could be a poster here.
He really could. The hope is that he is putting out information for public consumption, and not being candid. I think it would be silly to be candid about your plans leading up to the draft, but maybe he just fib?
My guess is that they are very open to drafting a QB. If I am wrong. Well we can watch 2019 - 2023 again for a few more years.
Remember that time the Broncos didn't try to upgrade the QB position for years because Tebow threw for 316 yards in a playoff win and spent the next few years only talking about that game whenever anyone questioned them about it?
He also said he likes the entire QB class. This is a question of whether the Giants will draft a QB at 6 or trade up, not if they will draft a QB. I think everyone expects the Giants to draft a QB.
I interpret that as Schoen saying there are multiple ways to build a team. The Niners traded up for Lance investing in multiple first round picks, yet Lance is on Dallas and Purdy (last pick in the draft) just led them to the Super Bowl.
People can read into it however they want, but Schoen is a fool if he hitches himself to that fraud making $40 million. And if that’s how he feels, he’ll be an analyst on NFL Network before long.
Remember that time the Broncos didn't try to upgrade the QB position for years because Tebow threw for 316 yards in a playoff win and spent the next few years only talking about that game whenever anyone questioned them about it?
Oh wait..
Nope can't say that I remember that at all. And neither do you. The Broncos drafted Osweiller in the 2nd round a mere 3-4 months after Tebow won that playoff game.
Remember that time the Broncos didn't try to upgrade the QB position for years because Tebow threw for 316 yards in a playoff win and spent the next few years only talking about that game whenever anyone questioned them about it?
Oh wait..
Nope can't say that I remember that at all. And neither do you. The Broncos drafted Osweiller in the 2nd round a mere 3-4 months after Tebow won that playoff game.
Be careful reading into that. The expectation was that Toney wouldn't be traded. The expectation was that Wink would be back. The expectation is that Daniel will be the starter.
It's wasted energy to try and interpret this stuff.
Pointed out SF moving up and where that QB is now. Then the talent on the SF roster. What he didn't say directly was that they have a cheap QB which has helped keep that team together. I think all things are in play in the draft regarding QB.
I found the grooming Kafka to be a HC very interesting.
1. If you believe Jones isn't a good player, giving him $82M guaranteed doesn't make sense. The Giants have him $82M guaranteed. They must think he's a good player.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
I think this team absolutely needs a QB to be competitive, but I am not sure Joe Schoen believes that.
If we come out of the draft with a Day 2 or 3 QB to fill out the room and maybe one day be a starter, next year will be difficult to watch. He will need to strike gold in both free agency and the draft if the plan is to prop up Jones and keep our fingers crossed that a guy who is always hurt will not be hurt anymore.
1. If you believe Jones isn't a good player, giving him $82M guaranteed doesn't make sense. The Giants have him $82M guaranteed. They must think he's a good player.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
Be careful reading into that. The expectation was that Toney wouldn't be traded. The expectation was that Wink would be back. The expectation is that Daniel will be the starter.
It's wasted energy to try and interpret this stuff.
You're prolly right.
Anything that is said this time of year should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
1. If you believe Jones isn't a good player, giving him $82M guaranteed doesn't make sense. The Giants have him $82M guaranteed. They must think he's a good player.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
And then forcing the pick in the weaker class (2025) for a reach.
1. If you believe Jones isn't a good player, giving him $82M guaranteed doesn't make sense. The Giants have him $82M guaranteed. They must think he's a good player.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
Wasting more years is a disaster scenario. They’ll be wasting some of Thomas’ prime years
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
From their standpoint, it's logical. They handed out a big contract that is a lost cause if they give up on Daniel. We can discuss the "sunk cost fallacy" all we want, but the people who made the decision to hand out that contract aren't about to give up their conviction. So, they are going to spend the resources to make that contract work or make absolutely sure it was a mistake. But, since there is a distinct possibility if not probability that it was a mistake, you need a hedge.
So, you spend your #1 pick on a receiver or an o-lineman because poor Daniel needs bucking up but you hedge it on Day 2 with a qb who has starting potential. Start looking at the Day 2 and small school people. Taylor and DeVito are expendable- one is not under contract and you might be able to trade the other for something. There's a spot in the qb room for a qb or two.
which I think is very realistic, the question is "why does this team, despite a new coach and new GM, continue to operate in the same flawed way across regimes?
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
I still think Schoen looks at this from multiple angles
i didnt hear it, but he is correct to play down the need at WR.
slayton and robinson are legitimate starters worthy of targets.
hyatt and hodgins have shown enough that they too are worthy of targets.
waller whenever healthy is still productive with whatever targets he gets and bellinger is still a quality #2 te.
it would be great to add an alpha like odunze but they dont need to and they certainly dont need to overpay a gabe davis type. just draft another quality talent day 2. there are tons of good receivers in draft every year now. look no farther than rashee rice, jayden reed, tank dell, and hyatt from last year's day 2.
With all due respect, I cant disagree with you more. Slayton is a low end 3 or 4 WR. He is the same guy he was as a rookie, when pressed into a larger role he is not good. Robinson can be a #2 if he can stay healthy.
Hyatt the jury is still out whether he is just a gimmick player with speed. I think he is more than a gimmick but I didnt see a consistent presence. If Hodgins couldnt get targets with the receivers we had last year then he is a real low end option going forward. He did disappear in 22 when faced with good CBs.
And Waller hasnt been healthy in 3 years. Age and injuries seem to have caught up. Id like to see us go in another direction. The injury gamble didnt pay off.
I sense we are going 100% WR in the 1st, if both Nabors and Odunze are there I think we look at a trade back a few spots and still get one. I think Nabors is more in the mold of what Daboll likes in quick and shifty but after looking at both I think Odunze will be the better pro. I'd be happy with either.
I agree with Sy, I dont think we go QB. It would be a big admission of failure to not go with Jones. He didnt have to pay him, but he did. Cant blame Gettlemen. I also think they stick with Neal 1 more year, again to not admit failure. If they have another season like 23 I think his job will be in serious jeopardy so getting the 3rd or 4th best QB or trading away a lot is not an option.
which I think is very realistic, the question is "why does this team, despite a new coach and new GM, continue to operate in the same flawed way across regimes?
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
which I think is very realistic, the question is "why does this team, despite a new coach and new GM, continue to operate in the same flawed way across regimes?
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
Fish rots from the head.
The problem with drafting Penix or Nix in round 2...
They're both far more talented players than Jones. They'd be nearly as much a threat to Jones as one of the top 3 guys. I don't know that they'd want to introduce that.
By the way the scenario I laid out is optimistic; it's just as possible Jones is not released and he plays out his whole deal. Or perhaps he's restructured.
but I hope he understands he wasn't actually in charge in Buffalo. He can't get through an interview without bragging about the great job his boss did building that program.
I don't like that either.
RE: The problem with drafting Penix or Nix in round 2...
They're both far more talented players than Jones. They'd be nearly as much a threat to Jones as one of the top 3 guys. I don't know that they'd want to introduce that.
By the way the scenario I laid out is optimistic; it's just as possible Jones is not released and he plays out his whole deal. Or perhaps he's restructured.
The Giants think he's good.
So not only won't they draft a first round QB, they won't even bring in viable competition? So, essentially a *downgrade* from last years QB room? Because, DeVito would move up to QB2 and a day 3 QB would be drafted.
I very much hope you are wrong. If nothing else, the injuries should at least provide a greater emphasis on QB regardless of their belief in Jones.
but I hope he understands he wasn't actually in charge in Buffalo. He can't get through an interview without bragging about the great job his boss did building that program.
I don't like that either.
Yeah this will be his third offseason with the Giants. It's time to start talking about what you did as the boss right here, not what you did as the #2 somewhere else.
that Schoen isn't picking a QB high in the first round, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! That very well may be the case, but JS would be incompetent if the vibe was the opposite.
The only thing I "think" you can glean from his comments, is he is NOT giving up a bunch of draft capital to move up to 1 or 3. If a QB they have a high grade on falls to them at 6, then that's a different story.
He also, doesn't want to seem "desperate" for a stud WR. This is how you play NFL poker.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
If it ends up true, they deserve the results.
Link - ( New Window )
If we move away from a QB at 6, then us dropping down becomes a big possibility- fill our depth with multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks..
At this point I believe nothing but we shall see.
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They don't want real competition for Jones.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
If it ends up true, they deserve the results.
Deserve what results?
Odunze
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
My sense as well.
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They don't want real competition for Jones.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
If it ends up true, they deserve the results.
Deserve what results?
Being unemployed in January 2025 after a 4 win season
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They don't want real competition for Jones.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
If it ends up true, they deserve the results.
Deserve what results?
The results that will come by giving Daniel Jones the reins again
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They don't want real competition for Jones.
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
If it ends up true, they deserve the results.
Deserve what results?
22-37-1 (with 22 games missed due to injury)
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i didnt hear it, but he is correct to play down the need at WR.
slayton and robinson are legitimate starters worthy of targets.
hyatt and hodgins have shown enough that they too are worthy of targets.
waller whenever healthy is still productive with whatever targets he gets and bellinger is still a quality #2 te.
it would be great to add an alpha like odunze but they dont need to and they certainly dont need to overpay a gabe davis type. just draft another quality talent day 2. there are tons of good receivers in draft every year now. look no farther than rashee rice, jayden reed, tank dell, and hyatt from last year's day 2.
-Road playoff win in Minnesota
-Look at Purdy's supporting cast
He could be a poster here.
Or more accurately … he’s not playing with Dallas.
Uh-oh, really not impressed with his answer there. Hopium stuff that presumes that the Giants only need to go out and build a pro bowl surrounding around Jones. Jones's contract doesn't allow that level of time/resources investment!
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He references the Niners aggressively moving up for QB and now he's playing with Dallas. Link - ( New Window )
-Road playoff win in Minnesota
-Look at Purdy's supporting cast
He could be a poster here.
Lame stuff that is actually insulting to Purdy, a guy whose rankend in the top 5 of any relevant metric since he started throwing the ball for the 49ers.
This isn't limited to Schoen, either. Ranaan made the case the Jones would be awesome on the 49ers on his podcast recently.
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1 is in the really good column and the other is in the really bad column.
Very excited to see which way they go this year. They have a great opportunity in front of them to really separate themselves from all the mistakes made prior to their tenure here. Let’s see if they capitalize on it.
They already have separated themselves from the prior regime. It hasn't been pretty. We were a doormat this year. We were the laughing stock of the NFL with the whole Wink thing. Gettleman didn't force anyone to give Jones the contract last year and tag Barkley. We have to stop blaming Gettleman for the failures of this regime.
I agree 100%. I was thinking last night about the player intake and players lost since Schoen took over. Not to mention the Giants wins/losses record these last 2 years.
We're better. I know we still sucked in 23 and if things go south in 24 it won't be an easy pill to swallow but the roster is better while being cap crunched and the team is 16-19-1 where as the prior 2 seasons they were 10-23 and sort of capped out or close to peak cap.
The Giants have brought or re-signed the following (2023):
Thibs
Robinson
Flott
Belton
McFadden
Hodgins (cost us nothing helped win playoff game)
Dex
Thomas
Barkley
(Jones)
(neal)
() indicates a jury out but sort of excusable move --don't start a war about Jones we can agree it's a miss but to me not indicative of a toxic or messy regime. I have no dog in this race I don't need to defend Schoen. TO me this move doesn't scream over his head or incapability. DJ's contract was responsible if it was not successful.
2024:
Okereke
Nacho
Banks
Devito (for nothing)
(JMS)
(Hyatt)
(hawkins)
(Riley)
(Owens)
Olszewski
Waller
Re-signed Slayton (bargain even if he should not be #1)
*Campbell (bust but cheap and short term)
Traded Leonard Williams (I like the player, wanted him back but applaud this move)
Lost Feliciano (not their best move)
I cannot think of any other losses that hurt.
His drafts can be considered a B- but it's early. If Neal develops it can easily be graded as A but big if.
We have not atrophied despite the economic books getting cleaner. DJ contract hysterics needs to stop already. QBs get paid. He was young and coming off a good year. He's cuttable next year. HE will be closer to the 17th or so paid QB by April.
I hope, I pray that this is similar to year 2 of Thibs and Rose with the Knicks. Good first year. Stepback in year 2. Signed Brunson and away they went. Not perfect. Not exactly linear, but slow steady upgrades and they are now an elite team poised to be in the hunt for years to come. We can only hope...
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He references the Niners aggressively moving up for QB and now he's playing with Dallas. Link - ( New Window )
-Road playoff win in Minnesota
-Look at Purdy's supporting cast
He could be a poster here.
He really could. The hope is that he is putting out information for public consumption, and not being candid. I think it would be silly to be candid about your plans leading up to the draft, but maybe he just fib?
My guess is that they are very open to drafting a QB. If I am wrong. Well we can watch 2019 - 2023 again for a few more years.
Oh wait..
I interpret that as Schoen saying there are multiple ways to build a team. The Niners traded up for Lance investing in multiple first round picks, yet Lance is on Dallas and Purdy (last pick in the draft) just led them to the Super Bowl.
Oh wait..
Nope can't say that I remember that at all. And neither do you. The Broncos drafted Osweiller in the 2nd round a mere 3-4 months after Tebow won that playoff game.
Teams don't think the way you do.
He wants to keep his picks and moving up is going to cost them.
Seems like ownership is going to give them time....for now.
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Remember that time the Broncos didn't try to upgrade the QB position for years because Tebow threw for 316 yards in a playoff win and spent the next few years only talking about that game whenever anyone questioned them about it?
Oh wait..
Nope can't say that I remember that at all. And neither do you. The Broncos drafted Osweiller in the 2nd round a mere 3-4 months after Tebow won that playoff game.
Teams don't think the way you do.
That was his point.
It's wasted energy to try and interpret this stuff.
Pointed out SF moving up and where that QB is now. Then the talent on the SF roster. What he didn't say directly was that they have a cheap QB which has helped keep that team together. I think all things are in play in the draft regarding QB.
I found the grooming Kafka to be a HC very interesting.
He wants to keep his picks and moving up is going to cost them.
Seems like ownership is going to give them time....for now.
It does seem that way. I wonder if that means that Rattler or Pratt might be considered in the third round.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
If we come out of the draft with a Day 2 or 3 QB to fill out the room and maybe one day be a starter, next year will be difficult to watch. He will need to strike gold in both free agency and the draft if the plan is to prop up Jones and keep our fingers crossed that a guy who is always hurt will not be hurt anymore.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
This is my biggest fear
It's wasted energy to try and interpret this stuff.
You're prolly right.
Anything that is said this time of year should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
And then forcing the pick in the weaker class (2025) for a reach.
2. If you think Jones is a good player, drafting a QB in 2024 to replace him doesn't make sense. He's got one of the biggest cap hits in the NFL. You're going to look stupid keeping that cap hit on the bench, having gotten only 6 games out of that $82M guaranteed.
I think it plays out like this:
1. 2024 QB depth chart is Jones/FA vet/DeVito or Day 3 pick
2. Giants win 4-7 games in 2024, Daboll is fired
3. Giants release Jones and carry the dead $23M or whatever in 2025
4. Giants draft a QB early in the weaker 2025 class
This scenario is history repeating itself with the Giants lacking the foresight to draft from the right QB class, as they failed to do in 2018 and 2020.
Wasting more years is a disaster scenario. They’ll be wasting some of Thomas’ prime years
They want insurance in the form of younger with more upside than Cutlets.
So, you spend your #1 pick on a receiver or an o-lineman because poor Daniel needs bucking up but you hedge it on Day 2 with a qb who has starting potential. Start looking at the Day 2 and small school people. Taylor and DeVito are expendable- one is not under contract and you might be able to trade the other for something. There's a spot in the qb room for a qb or two.
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
--Trade up to 3 for Daniels or McCarthy
--Draft Odunze at 6 and then draft Penix in the 2nd round
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makes me think they are looking at WR.
i didnt hear it, but he is correct to play down the need at WR.
slayton and robinson are legitimate starters worthy of targets.
hyatt and hodgins have shown enough that they too are worthy of targets.
waller whenever healthy is still productive with whatever targets he gets and bellinger is still a quality #2 te.
it would be great to add an alpha like odunze but they dont need to and they certainly dont need to overpay a gabe davis type. just draft another quality talent day 2. there are tons of good receivers in draft every year now. look no farther than rashee rice, jayden reed, tank dell, and hyatt from last year's day 2.
With all due respect, I cant disagree with you more. Slayton is a low end 3 or 4 WR. He is the same guy he was as a rookie, when pressed into a larger role he is not good. Robinson can be a #2 if he can stay healthy.
Hyatt the jury is still out whether he is just a gimmick player with speed. I think he is more than a gimmick but I didnt see a consistent presence. If Hodgins couldnt get targets with the receivers we had last year then he is a real low end option going forward. He did disappear in 22 when faced with good CBs.
And Waller hasnt been healthy in 3 years. Age and injuries seem to have caught up. Id like to see us go in another direction. The injury gamble didnt pay off.
I sense we are going 100% WR in the 1st, if both Nabors and Odunze are there I think we look at a trade back a few spots and still get one. I think Nabors is more in the mold of what Daboll likes in quick and shifty but after looking at both I think Odunze will be the better pro. I'd be happy with either.
I agree with Sy, I dont think we go QB. It would be a big admission of failure to not go with Jones. He didnt have to pay him, but he did. Cant blame Gettlemen. I also think they stick with Neal 1 more year, again to not admit failure. If they have another season like 23 I think his job will be in serious jeopardy so getting the 3rd or 4th best QB or trading away a lot is not an option.
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
Mara Tech baby!
John Mara, The master of meddling after Jerry Jones - r/NFCEastMemeWar - ( New Window )
And if you answer that question on BBI, start it with a trigger warning for much of this fan base.
Fish rots from the head.
By the way the scenario I laid out is optimistic; it's just as possible Jones is not released and he plays out his whole deal. Or perhaps he's restructured.
The Giants think he's good.
I honestly feel like I am watching a different QB than they are.
I don't like that either.
By the way the scenario I laid out is optimistic; it's just as possible Jones is not released and he plays out his whole deal. Or perhaps he's restructured.
The Giants think he's good.
So not only won't they draft a first round QB, they won't even bring in viable competition? So, essentially a *downgrade* from last years QB room? Because, DeVito would move up to QB2 and a day 3 QB would be drafted.
I very much hope you are wrong. If nothing else, the injuries should at least provide a greater emphasis on QB regardless of their belief in Jones.
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but I hope he understands he wasn't actually in charge in Buffalo. He can't get through an interview without bragging about the great job his boss did building that program.
I don't like that either.
Yeah this will be his third offseason with the Giants. It's time to start talking about what you did as the boss right here, not what you did as the #2 somewhere else.
The only thing I "think" you can glean from his comments, is he is NOT giving up a bunch of draft capital to move up to 1 or 3. If a QB they have a high grade on falls to them at 6, then that's a different story.
He also, doesn't want to seem "desperate" for a stud WR. This is how you play NFL poker.