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Garafolo: NYG looking to trade up in draft for QB

Sean : 2/27/2024 2:31 pm
They asked him to put a percentage on the Giants taking a first round QB, he put it high, just above 75%.

He said Jones is tracking to be ready for week 1 and could be leaving the seat warm for the drafted QB.

It's lying season. Going to be a lot of noise the next 8 weeks.
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From his lips to God's ears  
Sy'56 : 2/27/2024 2:31 pm : link
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Hasn’t that been pretty much confirmed all winter?  
The_Boss : 2/27/2024 2:32 pm : link
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He's pretty high up on the list of trusted NFL insiders  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2024 2:34 pm : link
especially in matters relating to the Giants.
Nothing would make this offseason...  
bw in dc : 2/27/2024 2:34 pm : link
more pleasing.

And even if the pick fails, it will be worth the stretch.
I don't think the Giants are going to trade up.  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 2/27/2024 2:35 pm : link
They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.
If the QB they choose is "the guy"  
The Dude : 2/27/2024 2:36 pm : link
Hard to see a trade being too steep. Or if its at 6. Doesnt matter, just hopefully pick the right one.
Is it Asshat season yet?  
The Dude : 2/27/2024 2:36 pm : link
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AcidTest : 2/27/2024 2:36 pm : link
he said was that the Giants are investigating the cost of moving up, which is just "due diligence" on their part. The 75% number seemed to be a colloquial answer rather than a firm conviction. And as others have noted, Schoen said today that it is a good QB class, not just at the top.
I've no doubt they're looking into it  
UberAlias : 2/27/2024 2:37 pm : link
The question is, how many targets do they see worth giving a package to acquire, 1,2, or 3, which ones, what trade partner, and what cost? So that's a lot of variables, even if the inclination is there.
RE: I don't think the Giants are going to trade up.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/27/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16409661 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.

Where are they going to play the new 2nd round OT in your scenario, Rich?
IF MG is saying it  
Big Rick in FL : 2/27/2024 2:39 pm : link
There's a good chance of it happening. Don't think there's anybody more plugged in to the Giants than him.
RE: From his lips to God's ears  
Tuckrule : 2/27/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16409652 Sy'56 said:
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Sorry if I missed it but who is your preference in a trade up scenario in a perfect world?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/27/2024 2:41 pm : link
Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.
Info might be as good as it gets right now  
JonC : 2/27/2024 2:43 pm : link
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RE: …  
bw in dc : 2/27/2024 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16409676 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.


If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.
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Mike in NY : 2/27/2024 2:48 pm : link
In comment 16409681 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16409676 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.



If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.


Just make sure Tonya Harding is not invited to the draft
RE: RE: From his lips to God's ears  
crooza172 : 2/27/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16409675 Tuckrule said:
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Sorry if I missed it but who is your preference in a trade up scenario in a perfect world?


Just check his rankings. He loves Daniels and is high on McCarthy over Maye.
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Gatorade Dunk : 2/27/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16409681 bw in dc said:
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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.



If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.

If the Giants take a QB in the first round, I'll be shocked (and disappointed, to be honest) if we don't get a jtgiants-level meltdown from the most zealous DJ enthusiasts.
Holiday! Celebrate!  
Anakim : 2/27/2024 2:51 pm : link
Somewhere, Jack Stroud cries into his DJ pillow
RE: From his lips to God's ears  
Reeses Pieces : 2/27/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16409652 Sy'56 said:
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Sy, you posted today that you believe they won’t go QB round 1. This report is contradictory, do you still feel they go elsewhere round 1?
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santacruzom : 2/27/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16409691 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16409676 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.



If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.


If the Giants take a QB in the first round, I'll be shocked (and disappointed, to be honest) if we don't get a jtgiants-level meltdown from the most zealous DJ enthusiasts.


My word, that was quite epic. I'm going to have to do some archive digging to find it.
RE: I don't think the Giants are going to trade up.  
UConn4523 : 2/27/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16409661 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.


Most teams picking at the top of the draft need those things.
He was not saying anything new  
Essex : 2/27/2024 3:02 pm : link
besides the joking around "76.9" he said the Giants "are taking the temperature" of trading up. Everyone admits that.
I have been thinking of a few different ways we draft a QB  
Chris684 : 2/27/2024 3:03 pm : link
and these seem to be the most logical:

McCarthy, Daniels (or Maye, longshot) either at 6, or slight trade up between picks 3-6.

Trade into back end of 1st round for Nix/Penix.

Penix in the 2nd.

I would be ok if the position is addressed in any of these ways, as I think each would be a serious enough of an investment to really push Jones out sooner than later.

My ideal scenario is Maye, Daniels or McCarthy at 6 in that order and without any trade.
The one thing that makes me think he is is that during his discussions  
Blue21 : 2/27/2024 3:04 pm : link
He tells us Jones is the starting QB but also throws in he s been injured three times. So you know that's on his mind.
RE: The one thing that makes me think he is is that during his discussions  
Sean : 2/27/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16409714 Blue21 said:
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He tells us Jones is the starting QB but also throws in he s been injured three times. So you know that's on his mind.

"My expectation is that Jones is the starting QB." We've seen that phrase is bullshit with this regime.
I  
AcidTest : 2/27/2024 3:05 pm : link
still think the most likely scenario for the Giants to take a QB in the first round is if one falls to them at #6, which would most likely be McCarthy. A small move up to #5 is also possible, but after that, my guess is they would view the cost as prohibitive.

I'm surprised at the number of people willing to give up multiple day and day two picks for several years to move up Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most of these massive move ups for QBs fail. The people who want to do so are as certain as the DJ supporters that they are correct. I also remember last year that Colin was berating anyone who suggested that the Giants were definitely going to give up a ton of draft capital to move up for Njigba, Johnson, Flowers, or Addison.
RE: I don't think the Giants are going to trade up.  
jerseygiant : 2/27/2024 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16409661 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.


Of course I could be wrong, but there is nothing I am more confident in, than Schoen and Daboll, whose seats will be warm with a poor season next year, hitching their wagon to a QB with 3 injury ending seasons to his knee and shoulder, to replace our current QB that is coming off a torn ACL and a history of neck issues.
RE: I  
AcidTest : 2/27/2024 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16409716 AcidTest said:
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still think the most likely scenario for the Giants to take a QB in the first round is if one falls to them at #6, which would most likely be McCarthy. A small move up to #5 is also possible, but after that, my guess is they would view the cost as prohibitive.

I'm surprised at the number of people willing to give up multiple day and day two picks for several years to move up Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most of these massive move ups for QBs fail. The people who want to do so are as certain as the DJ supporters that they are correct. I also remember last year that Colin was berating anyone who suggested that the Giants were definitely going to give up a ton of draft capital to move up for Njigba, Johnson, Flowers, or Addison.


"weren't definitely going to give up"
RE: RE: I don't think the Giants are going to trade up.  
jerseygiant : 2/27/2024 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16409721 jerseygiant said:
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In comment 16409661 Rich_Houston_1971 said:


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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.



Of course I could be wrong, but there is nothing I am more confident in, than Schoen and Daboll, whose seats will be warm with a poor season next year, hitching their wagon to a QB with 3 injury ending seasons to his knee and shoulder, to replace our current QB that is coming off a torn ACL and a history of neck issues.


***NOT*** hitching their wagon
They can trade up to #1 for a QB and still  
Big Rick in FL : 2/27/2024 3:08 pm : link
Come out with a #1 WR. I doubt they'd be willing to give up both 2nd round picks this year. So you could trade up to take Caleb and in the 2nd get a WR like Troy Franklin, Keon Coleman, Legette, Mitchell, Tez Walker.

Give Caleb a WR with some size to go with the speed (Hyatt/Slayton) & shiftiness (Wan'Dale) that we already have.
RE: He was not saying anything new  
JonC : 2/27/2024 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16409709 Essex said:
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besides the joking around "76.9" he said the Giants "are taking the temperature" of trading up. Everyone admits that.


Fact check, aisle 4, please!
RE: They can trade up to #1 for a QB and still  
Sammo85 : 2/27/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16409725 Big Rick in FL said:
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Come out with a #1 WR. I doubt they'd be willing to give up both 2nd round picks this year. So you could trade up to take Caleb and in the 2nd get a WR like Troy Franklin, Keon Coleman, Legette, Mitchell, Tez Walker.

Give Caleb a WR with some size to go with the speed (Hyatt/Slayton) & shiftiness (Wan'Dale) that we already have.


If they move on from Jones next offseason, they'll be able to fill some spots even if they don't have a #1/#2 in 2025.

I'll believe it when I see it  
Go Terps : 2/27/2024 3:22 pm : link
Until proven otherwise this is the regime that gave Jones 4/$160M.
Listening to a NYG twitter space right now  
Sean : 2/27/2024 3:24 pm : link
This guy can be full of shit, but he's saying Schoen & Daboll wanted to let Jones test the market after the 2022 season, but ownership said no, he's our guy and get it done.

Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.

I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
Danny Kanell : 2/27/2024 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16409731 Go Terps said:
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Until proven otherwise this is the regime that gave Jones 4/$160M.


Hyperbole. You're smart enough to know how they structured the deal. They're out after 2024 relatively unscathed. It was a hedged bet that lost but still...hedged.
Breaking News  
ChrisRick : 2/27/2024 3:31 pm : link
It is being reported the Giants will trade up in draft for a punter and punt on a qb.
When Garafalo says it, believe it.  
mittenedman : 2/27/2024 3:33 pm : link
Others have mentioned it, but not everyone has real sources with the Giants.
What I need people to understand  
GoDeep13 : 2/27/2024 3:34 pm : link
Is there is no price to steep for a franchise changing QB. What is CJ Stroud worth to the Texans now? Think they think he’d be worth 2 or 3 1sts? How about Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? THE guy is worth everything.
Here's the Question  
Samiam : 2/27/2024 3:37 pm : link
is this his opinion or does he have information from someone inside high enough to know? I domino think anyone on the inside is talking to a reporter unless its information they want to get out there. Like someone said, it is lying season. This isn't Gettleman and his group.
The one thing that makes me think he is is that during his discussions  
Blue21 : 2/27/2024 3:38 pm : link
He tells us Jones is the starting QB but also throws in he s been injured three times. So you know that's on his mind.
RE: Listening to a NYG twitter space right now  
Sammo85 : 2/27/2024 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16409733 Sean said:
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This guy can be full of shit, but he's saying Schoen & Daboll wanted to let Jones test the market after the 2022 season, but ownership said no, he's our guy and get it done.

Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.

I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.



Don't buy it. They've already made a big OL coach change, are sending smoke they're going to go big on a G at least (maybe even swing tackle backup).

Given the Jones contract went to the very last hour and was structured uniquely first two years frontloaded - I can't buy the meat on that speculation.
RE: What I need people to understand  
jvm52106 : 2/27/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16409748 GoDeep13 said:
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Is there is no price to steep for a franchise changing QB. What is CJ Stroud worth to the Texans now? Think they think he’d be worth 2 or 3 1sts? How about Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? THE guy is worth everything.


True but those are after the facts examples. In fact Mahomes and Allen were not the top choices at their positions in their drafts.

I think the best answer is this, if you feel you have a potential guy to be a Mahomes or an Allen then you make efforts to get them.

The absolute best scenario for us would be:

We get a QB (whichever one is not important at the moment) and we see Jones rehab nicely and he begins the season as the starter. With that he looks ok to pretty decent early on and some teams elsewhere have QB injuries.. We trade Jones before the deadline and move our rookie into the starting position for the rest of the season.

That would be best case scenario.
RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it  
Go Terps : 2/27/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16409734 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 16409731 Go Terps said:


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Until proven otherwise this is the regime that gave Jones 4/$160M.



Hyperbole. You're smart enough to know how they structured the deal. They're out after 2024 relatively unscathed. It was a hedged bet that lost but still...hedged.


They hedged, but the possibility that he's the QB all four years of the deal is still real. They hedged, but they want to be right.

And that's if Schoen and Daboll are the ones making the call. Look above to Sean's post. We know who's actually making the call.
RE: Listening to a NYG twitter space right now  
Chris684 : 2/27/2024 3:41 pm : link
In comment 16409733 Sean said:
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This guy can be full of shit, but he's saying Schoen & Daboll wanted to let Jones test the market after the 2022 season, but ownership said no, he's our guy and get it done.

Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.

I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.


I dunno if I believe that. Schoen basically said Jones was going nowhere in his 2022 exit meeting, like a few days after the Eagles game.

If we step back from the Jones situation for one moment, maybe people can realize that while the 2022 season wasn't some epic year, nor was the Minnesota game the greatest game of all time, it was a very good year by Jones given what he was asked to do, and his performance in a road playoff game was very promising.

It's easy to blast the Jones contract in hindsight, but as others have mentioned, it was very measured considering what true franchise QBs make. There were a lot of QB vacancies last year and I think NYG obviously didn't want Jones to get that one offer he needed to leave, possibly even to the Jets.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but I understood the way Schoen tried to play it, which was kind of right down the middle. Jones has never been quite as bad as his harshest BBI critics nor as good as some have made him out to be.

And I'll state for the record as I'm sure my post will rile some people up, he's not the QB for this team. He's not good enough nor dependable enough and I no longer see him as a viable option.
I believe it  
gersh : 2/27/2024 3:41 pm : link
Common sense + 3 top prospects + picking 6th + After Glazer, the reporter most likely to know = I believe it
"He's ( DJ) had Three Injuries  
clatterbuck : 2/27/2024 3:43 pm : link
in two" years." Maybe this is the tell. Maybe the injuries are more or as important as the body of work. Maybe it's a statement specifically designed to keep everyone guessing. But maybe it's an insight into why the Giants might be seriously considering drafting a QB who they really think can compete for the job. Schoen is very good at maybe saying something while really saying nothing without pissing anyone off.
Sammo & Chris  
Sean : 2/27/2024 3:45 pm : link
I agree.
It would be negligent  
an_idol_mind : 2/27/2024 3:47 pm : link
to go into this draft without a knowledge of what it costs to move up. And it would be negligent not to do a lot of homework on all the top quarterbacks available.

No matter what anyone thinks of Jones, this close to the top of a strong quarterback draft requires a GM to strongly consider moves.
why do I get the feeling  
BigBlueCane : 2/27/2024 3:47 pm : link
that teams are going to jump in front of the Giants and snag the QB they wanted.
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