They asked him to put a percentage on the Giants taking a first round QB, he put it high, just above 75%.
He said Jones is tracking to be ready for week 1 and could be leaving the seat warm for the drafted QB.
It's lying season. Going to be a lot of noise the next 8 weeks.
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And even if the pick fails, it will be worth the stretch.
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Where are they going to play the new 2nd round OT in your scenario, Rich?
Sorry if I missed it but who is your preference in a trade up scenario in a perfect world?
If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.
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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.
If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.
Just make sure Tonya Harding is not invited to the draft
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Sorry if I missed it but who is your preference in a trade up scenario in a perfect world?
Just check his rankings. He loves Daniels and is high on McCarthy over Maye.
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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.
If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.
If the Giants take a QB in the first round, I'll be shocked (and disappointed, to be honest) if we don't get a jtgiants-level meltdown from the most zealous DJ enthusiasts.
Sy, you posted today that you believe they won’t go QB round 1. This report is contradictory, do you still feel they go elsewhere round 1?
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Eightshamrocks is going to be so pissed.
If we select a QB on April 25th and he gets tackled on stage while hugging Goodell, I am 100% sure it will be Eightshamrocks.
If the Giants take a QB in the first round, I'll be shocked (and disappointed, to be honest) if we don't get a jtgiants-level meltdown from the most zealous DJ enthusiasts.
My word, that was quite epic. I'm going to have to do some archive digging to find it.
Most teams picking at the top of the draft need those things.
McCarthy, Daniels (or Maye, longshot) either at 6, or slight trade up between picks 3-6.
Trade into back end of 1st round for Nix/Penix.
Penix in the 2nd.
I would be ok if the position is addressed in any of these ways, as I think each would be a serious enough of an investment to really push Jones out sooner than later.
My ideal scenario is Maye, Daniels or McCarthy at 6 in that order and without any trade.
"My expectation is that Jones is the starting QB." We've seen that phrase is bullshit with this regime.
I'm surprised at the number of people willing to give up multiple day and day two picks for several years to move up Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most of these massive move ups for QBs fail. The people who want to do so are as certain as the DJ supporters that they are correct. I also remember last year that Colin was berating anyone who suggested that the Giants were definitely going to give up a ton of draft capital to move up for Njigba, Johnson, Flowers, or Addison.
Of course I could be wrong, but there is nothing I am more confident in, than Schoen and Daboll, whose seats will be warm with a poor season next year, hitching their wagon to a QB with 3 injury ending seasons to his knee and shoulder, to replace our current QB that is coming off a torn ACL and a history of neck issues.
I'm surprised at the number of people willing to give up multiple day and day two picks for several years to move up Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most of these massive move ups for QBs fail. The people who want to do so are as certain as the DJ supporters that they are correct. I also remember last year that Colin was berating anyone who suggested that the Giants were definitely going to give up a ton of draft capital to move up for Njigba, Johnson, Flowers, or Addison.
"weren't definitely going to give up"
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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.
Of course I could be wrong, but there is nothing I am more confident in, than Schoen and Daboll, whose seats will be warm with a poor season next year, hitching their wagon to a QB with 3 injury ending seasons to his knee and shoulder, to replace our current QB that is coming off a torn ACL and a history of neck issues.
***NOT*** hitching their wagon
Give Caleb a WR with some size to go with the speed (Hyatt/Slayton) & shiftiness (Wan'Dale) that we already have.
Fact check, aisle 4, please!
Give Caleb a WR with some size to go with the speed (Hyatt/Slayton) & shiftiness (Wan'Dale) that we already have.
If they move on from Jones next offseason, they'll be able to fill some spots even if they don't have a #1/#2 in 2025.
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
Hyperbole. You're smart enough to know how they structured the deal. They're out after 2024 relatively unscathed. It was a hedged bet that lost but still...hedged.
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
Don't buy it. They've already made a big OL coach change, are sending smoke they're going to go big on a G at least (maybe even swing tackle backup).
Given the Jones contract went to the very last hour and was structured uniquely first two years frontloaded - I can't buy the meat on that speculation.
True but those are after the facts examples. In fact Mahomes and Allen were not the top choices at their positions in their drafts.
I think the best answer is this, if you feel you have a potential guy to be a Mahomes or an Allen then you make efforts to get them.
The absolute best scenario for us would be:
We get a QB (whichever one is not important at the moment) and we see Jones rehab nicely and he begins the season as the starter. With that he looks ok to pretty decent early on and some teams elsewhere have QB injuries.. We trade Jones before the deadline and move our rookie into the starting position for the rest of the season.
That would be best case scenario.
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Until proven otherwise this is the regime that gave Jones 4/$160M.
Hyperbole. You're smart enough to know how they structured the deal. They're out after 2024 relatively unscathed. It was a hedged bet that lost but still...hedged.
They hedged, but the possibility that he's the QB all four years of the deal is still real. They hedged, but they want to be right.
And that's if Schoen and Daboll are the ones making the call. Look above to Sean's post. We know who's actually making the call.
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
I dunno if I believe that. Schoen basically said Jones was going nowhere in his 2022 exit meeting, like a few days after the Eagles game.
If we step back from the Jones situation for one moment, maybe people can realize that while the 2022 season wasn't some epic year, nor was the Minnesota game the greatest game of all time, it was a very good year by Jones given what he was asked to do, and his performance in a road playoff game was very promising.
It's easy to blast the Jones contract in hindsight, but as others have mentioned, it was very measured considering what true franchise QBs make. There were a lot of QB vacancies last year and I think NYG obviously didn't want Jones to get that one offer he needed to leave, possibly even to the Jets.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I understood the way Schoen tried to play it, which was kind of right down the middle. Jones has never been quite as bad as his harshest BBI critics nor as good as some have made him out to be.
And I'll state for the record as I'm sure my post will rile some people up, he's not the QB for this team. He's not good enough nor dependable enough and I no longer see him as a viable option.
No matter what anyone thinks of Jones, this close to the top of a strong quarterback draft requires a GM to strongly consider moves.