They asked him to put a percentage on the Giants taking a first round QB, he put it high, just above 75%.
He said Jones is tracking to be ready for week 1 and could be leaving the seat warm for the drafted QB.
It's lying season. Going to be a lot of noise the next 8 weeks.
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Agreed. Wrote this in a few threads.
Now someone’s opinion on the QB is one thing..but if the giants view one of these QBs as “the guy” there is NO realistic trade package that is too step.
As devils advocate, maybe that guy exists at 6? Idk , but i trust the front office to be objective.
Do you ever stop. You legit disappeared for the entire 2022 season. You come back after jones plays poorly behind a makeshift horseshit offensive line in 2023 vs very good teams. Glad to have you back!
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We don't need a player "touched by the hand of God", we need our owners and front office shook by the tight grip of God's hands around their necks to wake up and do the right thing.
Mahomes went #11 and Reid had him sit for a year. But moving up from #6? That's as clear as day that Jones is a gonner.
Schoen may possibly not be overenamoured with the top ranked QB's in this draft and be aware of what I've just stated.
Just possible he is enamoured with a lesser known QB and sees real potential with them.
I really struggle with the idea that Daboll is excited by Jones's quarterback play. Schoen has over all impressed me as our GM, despite what some on here believe, but if they stick with Jones, then I will be really baffled by that.
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And that's if Schoen and Daboll are the ones making the call. Look above to Sean's post. We know who's actually making the call.
So you are referring to a no name reporter or blogger on something that maybe 5 people would know about as fact. I do not believe it as the truth. It likely is bad speculation, click bait post.
I don't disagree that they need to draft a QB this year, if not as replacement for Jones but at least as competition. But for you to come across as believing, as gospel, what was in sean's post is strange given your desire for accurate reporting.
Mahomes went #11 and Reid had him sit for a year. But moving up from #6? That's as clear as day that Jones is a gonner.
Schoen may possibly not be overenamoured with the top ranked QB's in this draft and be aware of what I've just stated.
Just possible he is enamoured with a lesser known QB and sees real potential with them.
I really struggle with the idea that Daboll is excited by Jones's quarterback play. Schoen has over all impressed me as our GM, despite what some on here believe, but if they stick with Jones, then I will be really baffled by that.
Correct, I can make the case for what they've done so far, even though it has backfired. However, this offseason that will change if they don't pull the emergency exit. Jones's injuries this year have given them the opportunity to do so.
We better not make the mistake again of spending money and cap space on Barkley who is one of the MOST overrated players in the NFL. It isn't an insult, not saying he sucks but his perceived value is far greater than his play value return is...
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
I could see it. Basically Jones is here for a while. I think John has him in his will.
That's why I don't understand the people that don't want us to trade up. We don't even have to look at other teams. Just look at our previous starting QB. No one gives a shit what we gave up and they wouldn't care even if we gave up double the original trade.
Sure the QB could end up being a bust. So could the players you draft with the picks you didn't trade.
Here are our 2 most recent 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Pretend we've never seen any of them play in the NFL. Just going off of them as draft prospects. Would you trade these guys for the #1 pick? This is similar to what you'd be trading for a QB. I know my answer.
Evan Neal, Deonte Banks, Wan'Dale, JMS, Jalin Hyatt & Josh Ezeudu.
It can mean trading up from the second round to the 32nd pick, or moving up to 1.
The most important part is either way it signals Daniel Jones is finally done here.
Giants sending smoke signals to the league, hopefully.
Evan Neal, Deonte Banks, Wan'Dale, JMS, Jalin Hyatt & Josh Ezeudu.
I would trade all of those players to the Bears tomorrow to move up to #1 and select a QB I believe can be special. I think most would.
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This is similar to what you'd be trading for a QB. I know my answer.
Evan Neal, Deonte Banks, Wan'Dale, JMS, Jalin Hyatt & Josh Ezeudu.
I would trade all of those players to the Bears tomorrow to move up to #1 and select a QB I believe can be special. I think most would.
Essentially that's what you're trading. Maybe not those exact players, but it's most likely going to be similar. Even if you replaced Evan Neal & JMS with a more successful 1st & 2nd round pick. Say Andrew Thomas & Xavier McKinney. Is that not a trade you'd still make? I know I'd make that trade in about half a second.
Whomever they have graded highest, they should do what it takes to get him.
They also need another CB, DE, RB and probably S. And if they don't get it through a FA, definitely an OG. Oh, and depth at DL.
Yup.
Falcons/RaIders/Saints/Vikings perhaps. Also Denver. They don't have much draft capital, but they have some players maybe.
it's always possible but the good news is only a few teams have a pick as high as nyg to move up from.
if the teams 1-2 decide to go QB they arent trading down so draft starts at #3. pats are the pivot team, and the nyg having pick #6 makes them an appealing dance partner since LAC aren't moving up from 5 and AZ probably also not moving up from 4.
it all comes down to the grade on QB2/QB3/QB4 on the NYG board and what NE decides to do.
Too bad. He’s probably gonna be a redskin
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They need a #1 WR and another OT. They will take WR, QB (Penix) and OT in that order with the 1,2,2 picks.
Of course I could be wrong, but there is nothing I am more confident in, than Schoen and Daboll, whose seats will be warm with a poor season next year, hitching their wagon to a QB with 3 injury ending seasons to his knee and shoulder, to replace our current QB that is coming off a torn ACL and a history of neck issues.
Penix will be a stop gap to Arch Manning
It's so adorable when you put down your spreadsheets and wave your DJ pompoms instead.
Brandon Beane said exactly this today.
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Counterpoint: the Giants had an insane amount of draft capital in 2022 and didn't end up with much out of it other than Wan'dale, Thibs, and a lot of bad-to-maybe ok bodies. If anything, Schoen may have gotten too cute with all those picks reaching for certain guys in the mid-rounds (have no idea why he did that instead of just going BPA).
They can't play with one year. They need to look for the future both for economics and player personnel. Jones and his 2024 year will be his last, be it completely or at the very least on that deal. They can get out of it and will if given a prime opportunity - which they will.
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the new regime didnt really decline his 5yo, they just wanted to pay him more sooner i thought?
It's so adorable when you put down your spreadsheets and wave your DJ pompoms instead.
weird interpretation of DJ pom poms but exceedingly more typical sideswipe without a point from a guy getting closer and closer to mirroring one of googs alter egos every day.
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Is there is no price to steep for a franchise changing QB. What is CJ Stroud worth to the Texans now? Think they think he’d be worth 2 or 3 1sts? How about Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? THE guy is worth everything.
Brandon Beane said exactly this today. Link - ( New Window )
Probably the one guy who would never say shit for clicks. Guy is probably the only one with connections to Giants
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
This may be true but he still has that chronic neck injury which could end his career at any time
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This guy can be full of shit, but he's saying Schoen & Daboll wanted to let Jones test the market after the 2022 season, but ownership said no, he's our guy and get it done.
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
This may be true but he still has that chronic neck injury which could end his career at any time
How is it chronic if it was 2 different injuries?
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that teams are going to jump in front of the Giants and snag the QB they wanted.
Yup.
Falcons/RaIders/Saints/Vikings perhaps. Also Denver. They don't have much draft capital, but they have some players maybe.
Luckily for the Giants they have a much better draft pick than any of those teams. Highly unlikely the Bears/Pats would be willing to move outside of the top 10.
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the new regime didnt really decline his 5yo, they just wanted to pay him more sooner i thought?
It's so adorable when you put down your spreadsheets and wave your DJ pompoms instead.
weird interpretation of DJ pom poms but exceedingly more typical sideswipe without a point from a guy getting closer and closer to mirroring one of googs alter egos every day.
If one guy sideswipes without a point and the other guy writes five pages of circular logic, what's the difference besides a shift key?
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Is there is no price to steep for a franchise changing QB. What is CJ Stroud worth to the Texans now? Think they think he’d be worth 2 or 3 1sts? How about Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? THE guy is worth everything.
That's why I don't understand the people that don't want us to trade up. We don't even have to look at other teams. Just look at our previous starting QB. No one gives a shit what we gave up and they wouldn't care even if we gave up double the original trade.
Sure the QB could end up being a bust. So could the players you draft with the picks you didn't trade.
Here are our 2 most recent 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Pretend we've never seen any of them play in the NFL. Just going off of them as draft prospects. Would you trade these guys for the #1 pick? This is similar to what you'd be trading for a QB. I know my answer.
Evan Neal, Deonte Banks, Wan'Dale, JMS, Jalin Hyatt & Josh Ezeudu.
Your analysis assumes that you are certain that trading up will net the next Patrick Holmes, Josh Allen, or Lamar Jackson. (And Baltimore actually passed on drafting Jackson twice.)
As this article notes, most trade ups for QBs fail.
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I can already see the jtgiants meltdown forming on the horizon.
This is going to be so satisfying if/when it comes to fruition.
I'd assume if the Giants are going to trade up to 1 it's for Caleb Williams.
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Only way this makes sense is if they have a certain guy in mind. My guess is Maye.
Too bad. He’s probably gonna be a redskin
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of people over the last couple days are connecting the Redskins to Jayden Daniels.
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Is there is no price to steep for a franchise changing QB. What is CJ Stroud worth to the Texans now? Think they think he’d be worth 2 or 3 1sts? How about Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? THE guy is worth everything.
That's why I don't understand the people that don't want us to trade up. We don't even have to look at other teams. Just look at our previous starting QB. No one gives a shit what we gave up and they wouldn't care even if we gave up double the original trade.
Sure the QB could end up being a bust. So could the players you draft with the picks you didn't trade.
Here are our 2 most recent 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Pretend we've never seen any of them play in the NFL. Just going off of them as draft prospects. Would you trade these guys for the #1 pick? This is similar to what you'd be trading for a QB. I know my answer.
Evan Neal, Deonte Banks, Wan'Dale, JMS, Jalin Hyatt & Josh Ezeudu.
Your analysis assumes that you are certain that trading up will net the next Patrick Holmes, Josh Allen, or Lamar Jackson. (And Baltimore actually passed on drafting Jackson twice.)
As this article notes, most trade ups for QBs fail. Link - ( New Window )
Idk if this reply was meant for me, but I'm not assuming a QB we trade up for is the next Mahomes/Allen/Lamar. I've stated numerous times the QB could be a bust, but he could also end up being a great QB. I'm willing to take that chance.
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the new regime didnt really decline his 5yo, they just wanted to pay him more sooner i thought?
It's so adorable when you put down your spreadsheets and wave your DJ pompoms instead.
weird interpretation of DJ pom poms but exceedingly more typical sideswipe without a point from a guy getting closer and closer to mirroring one of googs alter egos every day.
If one guy sideswipes without a point and the other guy writes five pages of circular logic, what's the difference besides a shift key?
what were the 5 pages of circular logic about in this case? disputing the maraphobes who have for months (including threads today) said the giants wouldnt entertain a qb in rd 1? guess you caught me red handed in my dj pom poms?
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that teams are going to jump in front of the Giants and snag the QB they wanted.
Yup.
Falcons/RaIders/Saints/Vikings perhaps. Also Denver. They don't have much draft capital, but they have some players maybe.
Luckily for the Giants they have a much better draft pick than any of those teams. Highly unlikely the Bears/Pats would be willing to move outside of the top 10.
True.
Here's hoping.
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the new regime didnt really decline his 5yo, they just wanted to pay him more sooner i thought?
It's so adorable when you put down your spreadsheets and wave your DJ pompoms instead.
weird interpretation of DJ pom poms but exceedingly more typical sideswipe without a point from a guy getting closer and closer to mirroring one of googs alter egos every day.
If one guy sideswipes without a point and the other guy writes five pages of circular logic, what's the difference besides a shift key?
what were the 5 pages of circular logic about in this case? disputing the maraphobes who have for months (including threads today) said the giants wouldnt entertain a qb in rd 1? guess you caught me red handed in my dj pom poms?
Oh, we're only talking about "in this case"?
That's convenient. And I'll save you the trouble - I already have the mute button extension. I just won't bother to use it until after I get to see all the RAS screengrabs.
How can that be?
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Only way this makes sense is if they have a certain guy in mind. My guess is Maye.
I'd assume if the Giants are going to trade up to 1 it's for Caleb Williams.
Let's hope it's Williams. What a day that would be, to add a talent of that magnitude to the Giants. Adding Maye or Daniels would be a fine move as well. Honestly, it's worth whatever they have to pay. A top QB is probably worth as much or more than the entire defense. Let's do this and transform a beleaguered franchise.
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This guy can be full of shit, but he's saying Schoen & Daboll wanted to let Jones test the market after the 2022 season, but ownership said no, he's our guy and get it done.
Schoen & Daboll want a QB, but ownership feels the issues were OL and development on the OL. The only way ownership will approve a QB early is if the OL is fixed otherwise they'll view QB as a wasted pick.
I hope it isn't true because that would be troublesome.
I dunno if I believe that. Schoen basically said Jones was going nowhere in his 2022 exit meeting, like a few days after the Eagles game.
If we step back from the Jones situation for one moment, maybe people can realize that while the 2022 season wasn't some epic year, nor was the Minnesota game the greatest game of all time, it was a very good year by Jones given what he was asked to do, and his performance in a road playoff game was very promising.
It's easy to blast the Jones contract in hindsight, but as others have mentioned, it was very measured considering what true franchise QBs make. There were a lot of QB vacancies last year and I think NYG obviously didn't want Jones to get that one offer he needed to leave, possibly even to the Jets.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but I understood the way Schoen tried to play it, which was kind of right down the middle. Jones has never been quite as bad as his harshest BBI critics nor as good as some have made him out to be.
And I'll state for the record as I'm sure my post will rile some people up, he's not the QB for this team. He's not good enough nor dependable enough and I no longer see him as a viable option.
I appreciate your sober take but I have to say, 2022 wasn't a very good year as measured against the league. As a passer he was still well below average. 2022 was saved by Jones' running. But Daboll wants to implement a vertical passing game. He wants to get the ball downfield. Jones can't do that.
what were the 5 pages of circular logic about in this case? disputing the maraphobes who have for months (including threads today) said the giants wouldnt entertain a qb in rd 1? guess you caught me red handed in my dj pom poms?
Oh, we're only talking about "in this case"?
That's convenient. And I'll save you the trouble - I already have the mute button extension. I just won't bother to use it until after I get to see all the RAS screengrabs.
so your comment was a side swipe not related the subject of this thread? isnt "this case" this thread, and a comment i made pertaining to the subject of this thread?
like i said you may as well stake your claim on your next handle, gatorade googs has a nice ring to it.
How can that be?
Poor play, a 2nd neck injury and a torn ACL. It’s not that complicated.