Old Giants players who should get more attention

another I would mention is Ron Stone.

Brian Williams on offense. Very good center

Mike Fox on defense. Underrated nose.

Gets enough credit either. Struggled to start but was really a very dependable and good player for many years here.

One of the best guards the Giants have ever had.

Fred Robbins is very underrated.

I will pick Mo Carthon on offense and Aaron Ross on defense.

but I don't think Mark Collins or Brad Benson ever get mentioned enough in discussions about the Parcells era teams.

Benson was covered in blood in every game. How is that not the epitome of Giants football?

Keith Hamilton was a beast.

Put him in the Ring of Honor.

Plax was awesome. KM gets my vote too.

On defense? I feel like Rolle got love but isn't recognized enough. Great leader and signing.

In 6 seasons, was a fantastic corner, 24 INT's.

Phillippi Sparks another one worthy of mention. 8 seasons, largely a shutdown corner.

In comment 16410581 bigblue12 said:

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Brian Williams on offense. Very good center Mike Fox on defense. Underrated nose.

I thought Fox played DE in the Giants' 3-4.

is the type of free agent you strive to sign. Plugs a hole, injury free, young and ascending player.

Had to be his 2nd contract right? Not sure the situation was that NYJ lets a young useful T walk.

In comment 16410585 Johnny5 said:

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I will pick Mo Carthon on offense and Aaron Ross on defense.

Maurice had a very interesting year in '85. From his Wiki page:

In 1985, Carthon signed as a free agent with the New York Giants. From February to June, his USFL career consisted of three preseason games, 18 regular season games, and a final playoff on June 30, 1985. After reporting to the Giants in July, he played an additional five preseason games, 16 regular season games, and two playoff rounds, for a total of 45 contests in less than a year.

I don't see anyone touching those numbers for quite a while.

Didn’t Sparks milk an injury once in a lost season? That always rubbed me the wrong way.

Georg Martin
Brian Kelly
Brad Van Pelt
Rob Carpenter

In comment 16410599 MNP70 said:

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In comment 16410585 Johnny5 said: Quote: I will pick Mo Carthon on offense and Aaron Ross on defense. Maurice had a very interesting year in '85. From his Wiki page: In 1985, Carthon signed as a free agent with the New York Giants. From February to June, his USFL career consisted of three preseason games, 18 regular season games, and a final playoff on June 30, 1985. After reporting to the Giants in July, he played an additional five preseason games, 16 regular season games, and two playoff rounds, for a total of 45 contests in less than a year. I don't see anyone touching those numbers for quite a while.

Yup, that's about as untouchable as Cy Young's 511 wins. *grin*

Harris was a guy I liked watching as a teen.

In comment 16410605 PatersonPlank said:

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Georg Martin Brian Kelly Brad Van Pelt Rob Carpenter

The impact of the Carpenter trade in '81 cannot be overstated.

In comment 16410610 JohnG in Albany said:

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In comment 16410605 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Georg Martin Brian Kelly Brad Van Pelt Rob Carpenter The impact of the Carpenter trade in '81 cannot be overstated.

Yep, add Hammer, Carson, Reasons, Oates, Hoss,

Injury cut his career way too short, but he was a monster in 97

Keith Hamilton def should be in the ring of honor

Short yardage would be a gimmie every time.

And Fred Robbins

I think plenty of posters recognized how good he was. We still have not replaced him! Robbins is a good call. Freddie was underrated as the '07 DL was not for its rushers. Did a lot of the dirty work.

Stone a good call as well. Wasn't until KM where they added another high ticket FA OL.

One of my favorites was Boothe (great waiver wire PU). On two SB teams. In '11 he stepped in at OG and the OL was better in the playoffs. Other years he filled in admirably at OG and even C a couple times. Just not a all season starter.

In comment 16410615 truebluelarry said:

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Short yardage would be a gimmie every time.

My thoughts exactly.

In comment 16410620 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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I think plenty of posters recognized how good he was. We still have not replaced him! Robbins is a good call. Freddie was underrated as the '07 DL was not for its rushers. Did a lot of the dirty work. Stone a good call as well. Wasn't until KM where they added another high ticket FA OL. One of my favorites was Boothe (great waiver wire PU). On two SB teams. In '11 he stepped in at OG and the OL was better in the playoffs. Other years he filled in admirably at OG and even C a couple times. Just not a all season starter.

Great picks LoS

As the game progresses, its hard to remember what NYG offensive football looked like in the mid to late 90s.

Collins was a literal revelation.

In comment 16410620 Lines of Scrimmage said:
[quote] I think plenty of posters recognized how good he was. We still have not replaced him! Robbins is a good call. Freddie was underrated as the '07 DL was not for its rushers. Did a lot of the dirty work.

Stone a good call as well. Wasn't until KM where they added another high ticket FA OL.

One of my favorites was Boothe (great waiver wire PU). On two SB teams. In '11 he stepped in at OG and the OL was better in the playoffs. Other years he filled in admirably at OG and even C a couple times. Just not a all season starter. [/quote

Boothe was awesome. Thats a tremendous call

gets lost in the mix when talking about the Eli era WRs

Gary Reasons – A solid linebacker who yes played in between HOF players. Played for the Giants for eight years from 1984 to 1991, appearing in 122 games. Most remembered for his goal line hit at MIle High Stadium against the Broncos. Also noted Special teams players who made big 30 yard run on fake punt against the 49ers.

Howard Cros – Excellent blocking TE who could make the occasional big catch. Cross played in a total of 207 games as a Giant, trailing only Michael Strahan's 216 games, and Eli Manning’s 236 games.

Chris Calloway and Charles Way

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as the best Giants FA signing ever. Part of the reason he's overlooked is he didn't have the outgoing personalities of O'Hara, Diehl and Seubert. Even quiet man Snee does some interviews here and there.

One of my favorites from early 1960s:

Darrell Dess!

Back when the Giants had an unbroken string of great fullbacks. If you never saw Comella play, this video is a great tribute to him as a special teamer, tough runner, outstanding blocker and a true pass catching threat.


Greg Comella - ( New Window )

he and AP were probably the only good LB they've had who was good for multiple seasons since armstead. 4 years only missed 7 games, was around 90-100 tackles every year, solid in coverage, started on the SB team. Very comparable production to AP except i think nyg fans remember AP much more fondly.

farther back id say Keith Hamilton. For a brief run when fox came to town in the last 90's he was close to dominant. started every game from 97-00, 29 sacks in 4 seasons as DT is very uncommon. Lawrence is a stud and he's only got 21 in 5 seasons right now.

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is the type of free agent you strive to sign. Plugs a hole, injury free, young and ascending player.

That really was an all-time great signing. Just worked out perfectly.

U2 version...

Greg Comella - ( New Window )

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In comment 16410605 PatersonPlank said:

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Georg Martin Brian Kelly Brad Van Pelt Rob Carpenter

Good calls. And let's not forget John Mendenhall and Bob Tucker

In comment 16410697 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 16410605 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Georg Martin Brian Kelly Brad Van Pelt Rob Carpenter Good calls. And let's not forget John Mendenhall and Bob Tucker

Mendy was my #1 favorite player growing up (shows you how bad we were when a nose Tackle is your favorite player). I would have listed him too, but I figured people knew him.

...were a couple of late round safeties that punched well above their weight for the Giants.

Brad van pelt.
Matt bahr

Actually made a Pro Bowl.
Offense - Howard Cross
Specials- Sean Landeta

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But these are all guys who get plenty of mention, this is supposedly for the guys who you rarely hear about in comments. Just yesterday there was a thread about finding another Jacobs in the draft. I was gonna say Erik Howard, but I wasn't sure he qualified because his name pops up when there is discussion about the NFC Championship game vs Niners in which he caused the fumble that LT recovered.
p.s.--How long before someone lists LT as someone who should get more attention?

coming off the couch had a nice ending.

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In comment 16410605 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Georg Martin Brian Kelly Brad Van Pelt Rob Carpenter Good calls. And let's not forget John Mendenhall and Bob Tucker

Maybe with the exception of Brian Kelley, all of them get plenty of love on BBI. Martin, Van Pelt, Carpenter, Mendenhall, these are some of the classics from prior decades. I don't mean to be a prick, but I thought this was about forgotten Giants.

its Troy Archer. For Offense it's Kevin Boothe.

Of course there's the vastly underrated pair of Chris Bober and Ian Allen who saved the Giants' bacon back in the early 2000's

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gets lost in the mix when talking about the Eli era WRs

He had one of the best single WR season in Giants history in 2009. He was unstoppable slot WR machine that year.

Dave Tollefson on defense and Zeke Mowatt on offense.

I'll add the coffin-corner GOAT Jeff Feagles on ST.

for some awful teams.

Gary Shirk, Zeke Mowatt, Joe Morris, Stephen Baker, Mike Sherrard, Lewis Tillman, Mark Ingram, Mark Collins, Terry Kinnard….just to name a few….lol

how did he never make a single pro-bowl.

That's a crime. He also had some great individual seasons.

In some cases, more forgotten.

From the 1980s on

QB-Kerry Collins
RB-Gary Brown
FB-Greg Comella
WR-Lionel Manuel
WR-Earnest Gray
TE-Dan Campbell
LT-Roman Oben
LG-Kevin Boothe
C-Kevin Belcher
RG-Bob Kratch
RT-Scott Gragg

DE-John Washington
DE-Chad Bratzke
NT-Stacey Dillard
DT-Robert Harris
OLB-Corey Miller
OLB-Brandon Short
ILB-Michael Barrow
ILB-Brian Kelley
CB-Mark Haynes
CB-Thomas Randolph
CB-Conrad Hamilton
S-Beasley Reece
S-Jesse Campbell

KR-David Patten
PR-Domenik Hixon

P-Brad Maynard
K-Morten Anderson

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Rob Carpenter for sure. Van Pelt is a good choice. I'll take John Mendenhall, though.

Another one from the old days: Bob Tucker.

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At the time Van Pelt was very much appreciated and was not over looked and IMO a definitely more recalled than. Kelly for sure.

Bill Neill was a NT who did a very good job on the great teams and was as good if not better than JimmBirt who was a huge fan favorite

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In some cases, more forgotten. From the 1980s on QB-Kerry Collins RB-Gary Brown FB-Greg Comella WR-Lionel Manuel WR-Earnest Gray TE-Dan Campbell LT-Roman Oben LG-Kevin Boothe C-Kevin Belcher RG-Bob Kratch RT-Scott Gragg DE-John Washington DE-Chad Bratzke NT-Stacey Dillard DT-Robert Harris OLB-Corey Miller OLB-Brandon Short ILB-Michael Barrow ILB-Brian Kelley CB-Mark Haynes CB-Thomas Randolph CB-Conrad Hamilton S-Beasley Reece S-Jesse Campbell KR-David Patten PR-Domenik Hixon P-Brad Maynard K-Morten Anderson

These names reminds me of Front Page Sports Football ...

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Gets enough credit either. Struggled to start but was really a very dependable and good player for many years here.

Great mention. He was covering Randy effing Moss in the Super Bowl and did a hell of a job.

From bust to legitimately good corner in that middle ground of not good enough. Or bad enough to be talked about often even on a site like this.

All those names totally resonate.

I second the mention of Hoss. The Giants might only have 3 Lombardi's if not for him.

Bobby Duhon
Aaron Thomas
Jim Kanicki
Ron Johnson
Joe Morrison

Kareem Mckenzie - although I think of all mentioned he gets remembered fondly the most.

Hamilton - to me, by far the best player mentioned here. He was a truly great DT who was often dominant. Nobody on this team has been close to his level until Dex. Not Hall of Fame, but not far off and should be in the ring of honor.

A lot of the 70s players. My favorite as a kid Brad Van Pelt. George Martin was the truth. And a great guy. The problem with those guys is that they are now far enough in the past that many (maybe most) of the posters here never saw them play.

Kerry Collins. Not a great QB, but a really good QB. Without him the time from Simms to Eli would have been a total wasteland. Instead it was good football mixed with some epic collapses.

John Mendenhall and Jack Gregory in the ‘70’s.

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Joe Morris on offense and
John Mendenhsll on defense

Zeke Mowatt on O (didn't catch many balls but he could really block).

Jim Katcavage (DE) and Ray Wietecha (C)

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Jim Katcavage (DE) and Ray Wietecha (C)

Both All-Pros in their day. I remember Katcavage, Wietecha not so much.

I loved how he played against Philly.

Jesse Armstead

Pete Shaw, who was a missile out there on ST coverages, and Neon Leon Bright, the man who never heard of a fair catch.😀

Jim Katcavage, Spider Lockhart, Brad Van Pelt, Keith Hamilton

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One of my favorites from early 1960s: Darrell Dess!

+1

some are in the HoF but not sure how many here actually remember them: Andy Robustelli, Jim Katcavage, Dick Modzelewski, Rosey Brown, Erich Barnes, Jimmy Patton, Harlan Svare, Bob Schnelker, Mel Triplett, Alex Webster, Phil King, Ray Wietecha, Jack Stroud, Del Shofner, Allen Webb, Don Chandler, Ken McAfee. There were the icons -- Charlie Conerly, Y.A. Tittle, Sam Huff, and Frank Gifford. Rosey Grier, Pat Summerall, Dick Lynch may be more remembered as broadcasters and media personalities than the great players they were. Years after he played, Wellington Mara brought Robustelli back as a sort of GM. It didn't go well.

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In comment 16410642 logman said: Quote: gets lost in the mix when talking about the Eli era WRs He had one of the best single WR season in Giants history in 2009. He was unstoppable slot WR machine that year.

^^ This. Smith was amazing. This guy always knew where the first down marker was and went straight for it. Never was a long gain guy but was almost automatic getting the yards needed on any down.