Barkley targeting the Texans as a FA destination?

the Daniel Jones' contract was catastrophic in terms of the rebuild.

Terrible decision. No defense for it.

They should have franchised Jones and let Barkley walk at that point.

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ill take the player. You guys can have 2 3rd rounders for my one player. Let's see who wins.

You can get a very good RB and TE with those 3rd rounders - maybe even a OG or DT...

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ill take the player. You guys can have 2 3rd rounders for my one player. Let's see who wins.

The Giants are 34-64-1 since they drafted Barkley, so I'd bet on you losing.

I still don’t get why he wasn’t moved before this year’s deadline. If I had to put money on it, John squashed it.

Eric said, they should have traded him at the deadline last year if they were offered at least a third round pick. The best we can hope for now is some kind of tag and trade, which seems unlikely, although somebody here said the Texans were considering offering a third round pick for him in such a situation. He will of course count in the comp formula if he leaves in FA, but he'll likely be canceled out by our other FA signings, in which case we will get nothing.

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In comment 16412018 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Won’t be losing sleep over this. You won’t be losing any sleep because — without Saquon Barkley — the Giants offense will be going into complete snooze mode. Sleep well.

As opposed to the last five years?

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In comment 16412061 Eric from BBI said: Quote: the Giants had TWO wins by Halloween. TWO. Didn't need the reminder but thanks. So I guess we don't care about the important questions like what was offered for Barkley...and whether a mid round pick is worth it. Sounds like they want to keep him here and value his 24 season more than the mid round pick. But who knows.

It’s better than whatever the comp pick would be if they even get one. They’d also have that pick now, that would help with moving up for a QB

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I still don’t get why he wasn’t moved before this year’s deadline. If I had to put money on it, John squashed it.

I'd be willing to wager a large sum of money on that.

He’s wasting his career here.

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I think we can safely assume the Giants were offered at least a 3rd, possibly more..

Eric - why can we safely assume that?

I’ll remember all the winning seasons and glory.

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I still don’t get why he wasn’t moved before this year’s deadline. If I had to put money on it, John squashed it.

You don't trade the face of the franchise when you are still alive mathematically for a playoff spot...

;)

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Maybe they felt the 3rd or 4th rounder coming back (if it was that) wasn't enough? And weren't the Giants mathematically alive for a playoff spot at the trade deadline? I guess that's not a factor.

But the 2025 3rd round compensatory pick (at best; probably 4th or worse in reality) definitely makes up for chasing a playoff berth that wasn't technically eliminated, but had been effectively crushed weeks earlier.

Just another half-measure from East Rutherford. Either keep him and KEEP him, or get something for him when you have the chance if you're going to let him walk anyway.

They have a lot of Cap room. They can spread out the field with the pass game and that should really open things up for him.

Good question about not trading him. The three games he was out might be the worst three game stretch of RB production in decades. Maybe that was a factor.

Big change in offensive productivity when he came back. I think a reasonable chance at least Daboll might have been fired if the offense stayed on the course it was w/o SB.

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In comment 16412012 Gman11 said: Quote: but who do you replace him with? There's nobody on the current roster that is as good as Barkley. Doesn't seem to matter to so many here. Addition by subtraction! Except it is just subtraction.

Yep. Let’s just add another position of need. But don’t worry, apparently according to people here, you can find Earl Campbell in the 6th round these days so we should be good.

ownership are fools.

And their shit runs down hill into the GM, coach, and all the fans like us.

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me again why he wasn't traded before the deadline? "Saquon Barkley has said he does not want to be traded, and Brian Daboll attempted to squash trade overtures last week by saying a deal was “not happening.” But teams are still checking in. Clubs have continued to contact the Giants on Barkley, Jeff Howe of The Athletic tweets. Once again, the Giants rebuffed inquiries, with CBS Sports’ Josina Anderson confirming teams have received no’s on Barkley inquiries." https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/10/teams-calling-giants-on-saquon-barkley - ( New Window )

Because the Maratocracy reigns supreme. Trumps all other logical factors.

who are happy we held on to Barkley in a lost season so that we could lose him in free agency for nothing, rather than getting "only" a 3rd round pick for him?

"Sir, I'd like to buy your car for $1,000."

"No thank you. I'm going to drive it two blocks to a cliff and then push it off instead of taking less than what it is worth."

"But I will always have those two blocks..."

Especially on the heels of the report that Dunleavy was confident SB would be re-signed.

Seems like someone is trying to drum up a market for Barkley to me.

be truly boring and abysmal. Barkley was one of the few players it was fun to watch on this team.
I will hold out hope he'll be back.

I’m convinced this is at least partially about saving money on taxes. No state income tax in Texas.

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be truly boring and abysmal. Barkley was one of the few players it was fun to watch on this team. I will hold out hope he'll be back.

The offense was boring & horrific even with Saquon.

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I’m told the #Giants and RB Saquon Barkley’s representatives had a ‘good (initial) meeting’ on Wednesday at the Scouting Combine, per source. My understanding is, the team remains open to multiple options, including memorializing Barkley’s potential legacy as a NY Giant, pending an agreement on mutual terms.

Let’s give him a monument.

(Upon the departure Saquon Barkley from the Giants)

That Misters Joshua Harris, Jeffrey Robert Lurie and Jerral Wayne Jones individually send a letter of appreciation and a box of Masters Series Enriquestuardo chocolates ($8500.00)



to the distinguished New York Football Giants General Manager,
(expressing sincere gratitude and acknowledgement) for indulgences rendered to Mr. Joseph Schoen to the following address ...

1925 Giants Drive
East Rutherford, Nee Jersey

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In comment 16412028 Eric from BBI said: Quote: me again why he wasn't traded before the deadline? "Saquon Barkley has said he does not want to be traded, and Brian Daboll attempted to squash trade overtures last week by saying a deal was “not happening.” But teams are still checking in. Clubs have continued to contact the Giants on Barkley, Jeff Howe of The Athletic tweets. Once again, the Giants rebuffed inquiries, with CBS Sports’ Josina Anderson confirming teams have received no’s on Barkley inquiries." https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/10/teams-calling-giants-on-saquon-barkley - ( New Window ) Because the Giants didn’t want it to seem like they were raising the white flag on a fort which admittedly had already been breached on all four walls.

Well slap my ass and call me Sally, they sure had me fooled...

He’s played 1 less game than McCaffrey over the last 5 years and has 1700 less yards. He’s also 15th in the league in yards over that timeframe and has the lowest ypc of any of the top 25 backs in yardage. Last years 3.9 yards per carry had him 31st in the league.

He will be good on an established team. It’s clear he can’t carry a team. For a guy that can break a big play anytime he rarely does it.

I’d like to see a different back in the Bradshaw mode than runs angry.

My wife and I sold her Texans PSL’s prematurely.

I couldn’t give those things away…finally got an offer that wasn’t insulting so we jumped.

After last year and a potential addition of SB…Looks like I left money on the table.

Texans fans will love him

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Josina Anderson: Quote: I’m told the #Giants and RB Saquon Barkley’s representatives had a ‘good (initial) meeting’ on Wednesday at the Scouting Combine, per source. My understanding is, the team remains open to multiple options, including memorializing Barkley’s potential legacy as a NY Giant, pending an agreement on mutual terms.

This screams Mara all but telling Schoen to bring back Saquon because Saquon sells merch & all that jazz.

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In comment 16412089 djm said: Quote: ill take the player. You guys can have 2 3rd rounders for my one player. Let's see who wins. The Giants are 34-64-1 since they drafted Barkley, so I'd bet on you losing.

16-15-1 the last 2 years with the new regime so does that mean they should view him as a winning player?

If Barkley leaves and the Giants recoup no compensation, how Schoen handled last offseason deserves serious criticism.

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Josina Anderson: Quote: I’m told the #Giants and RB Saquon Barkley’s representatives had a ‘good (initial) meeting’ on Wednesday at the Scouting Combine, per source. My understanding is, the team remains open to multiple options, including memorializing Barkley’s potential legacy as a NY Giant, pending an agreement on mutual terms.

First, he doubled down on Jones. And now, Schoen might double down on Barkley.

Gettleman, V2, here we come.

Just wait for the triple down on Jones...

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If Barkley leaves and the Giants recoup no compensation, how Schoen handled last offseason deserves serious criticism.

I've been conducting that train since last off-season, welcome aboard!

I fear you might be right. Dave was a joke, but I haven't really been that impressed with Joe thus far.

However, I do think the Jones contract & us possibly reupping Saquon @ an absurd price for an often injured 27 year old RB...John is running the show.

In comment 16412277 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 16412273 christian said: Quote: If Barkley leaves and the Giants recoup no compensation, how Schoen handled last offseason deserves serious criticism. I've been conducting that train since last off-season, welcome aboard!

some of his $ decisions were mind boggling. barkley and love the 2 most.

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My understanding is, the team remains open to multiple options, including memorializing Barkley’s potential legacy as a NY Giant, pending an agreement on mutual

I don’t want him back but djm is right that it seems NYG does really want to keep him

I've said it a million times, but will say it again: I'll forever be convinced that Mara-directly or indirectly-put pressure on Joe to give Jones that contract. Mara-for whatever fucking reasons-loves Jones. I find it odd & really nonsensical, but he's been quoted on the record multiple times on his affection for Jones. I'll never get it because I don't think Jones is nearly close to being a legit QB, but I'm not John Mara.

As for Saquon, I think Mara views him as the 'face of the franchise' who puts asses in seats & sells merch. Never mind we haven't done shit since he's been drafted.

I keep going back to this quote after the Vikes WC win: "We're back!"-John Mara.

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I've said it a million times, but will say it again: I'll forever be convinced that Mara-directly or indirectly-put pressure on Joe to give Jones that contract. Mara-for whatever fucking reasons-loves Jones. I find it odd & really nonsensical, but he's been quoted on the record multiple times on his affection for Jones. I'll never get it because I don't think Jones is nearly close to being a legit QB, but I'm not John Mara. As for Saquon, I think Mara views him as the 'face of the franchise' who puts asses in seats & sells merch. Never mind we haven't done shit since he's been drafted. I keep going back to this quote after the Vikes WC win: "We're back!"-John Mara.

You and others should calm down about the Minnesota game. Playoff wins are hard to come by in the NFL. Jones and Barkley shouldn’t be the future here but it’s not because they weren’t awesome in that game, they were.

2022 was a fun season that included a nice playoff win. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I've said it a million times, but will say it again: I'll forever be convinced that Mara-directly or indirectly-put pressure on Joe to give Jones that contract. Mara-for whatever fucking reasons-loves Jones. I find it odd & really nonsensical, but he's been quoted on the record multiple times on his affection for Jones. I'll never get it because I don't think Jones is nearly close to being a legit QB, but I'm not John Mara. As for Saquon, I think Mara views him as the 'face of the franchise' who puts asses in seats & sells merch. Never mind we haven't done shit since he's been drafted. I keep going back to this quote after the Vikes WC win: "We're back!"-John Mara.

Johnny Boy is a mealy mouth know nothing, but he believes that he’s a know everything. The fact this putrid franchise is even entertaining another contract is criminal. But, Johnny Boy continues to call the shots.

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In comment 16412106 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16412089 djm said: Quote: ill take the player. You guys can have 2 3rd rounders for my one player. Let's see who wins. The Giants are 34-64-1 since they drafted Barkley, so I'd bet on you losing. 16-15-1 the last 2 years with the new regime so does that mean they should view him as a winning player?

The Giants are 15-18-1 the last two years. 16-19-1 if you count the postseason.

In comment 16412284 Chris684 said:

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JosinaAnderson @JosinaAnderson Follow I’m told the #Giants and RB Saquon Barkley’s representatives had a ‘good (initial) meeting’ on Wednesday at the Scouting Combine, per source. My understanding is, the team remains open to multiple options, including memorializing Barkley’s potential legacy as a NY Giant, pending an agreement on mutual

This 100 percent came from Barkley’s camp. They need to keep Giants in mix to get any market off ground over next couple weeks.

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I've said it a million times, but will say it again: I'll forever be convinced that Mara-directly or indirectly-put pressure on Joe to give Jones that contract. Mara-for whatever fucking reasons-loves Jones. I find it odd & really nonsensical, but he's been quoted on the record multiple times on his affection for Jones. I'll never get it because I don't think Jones is nearly close to being a legit QB, but I'm not John Mara. As for Saquon, I think Mara views him as the 'face of the franchise' who puts asses in seats & sells merch. Never mind we haven't done shit since he's been drafted. I keep going back to this quote after the Vikes WC win: "We're back!"-John Mara.

To think I remember you started a thread last March about being happy for Jones getting his money. A lot sure has changed, ha!

I've invested my time, money and emotion in this franchise for the entire Super Bowl era. 58 seasons.

Anyone want to take a guess how many of those 58 regular seasons were playoff game winning seasons? 10. 10 out of 58.

My bar has lowered to any season the Giants win a playoff game is a successful season. I'm glad the Giants didn't trade Barkley mid season in 2022. I'll gladly take the playoff win even though it stuck the Giants with Daniel Jones horrible contract and another year of Barkley on the franchise tag.

I have no doubt that the GM and HC know that Jones isn't the guy to go forward with after the two injuries last year and that Barkley has lost a step or more.

I am hopeful they let Barkley leave and that whoever they draft at QB quickly replaces Jones and the Giants release him when 2024 is over.

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16-15-1 the last 2 years with the new regime so does that mean they should view him as a winning player? The Giants are 15-18-1 the last two years. 16-19-1 if you count the postseason.

correct they were 0-4 in the games barkley missed. 3 injured with the ankle, 1 they held him out of bc they already clinched in 2022.

if your point is injuries, among all starting players, all positions, do you think missing 3 out of 36 games due to injury is better or worse than average?

With Barkley since the 6-1 start in 2022.

I'm happy for Jones getting generational wealth. But it was a huge mistake giving him that coin.

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With Barkley since the 6-1 start in 2022.

weird and totally not arbitrary to take out a bunch of games barkley was key to winning.

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I'm happy for Jones getting generational wealth. But it was a huge mistake giving him that coin.

I think a lot of us last year were happy for him given all the shit he's gotten, so in a brief moment after that Vikings game a lot of this fanbase embraced Jones.

It's what it is. Another QB will be brought in here, probably 2.

been John Mara.

A 28 year old running back does not fit a rebuilding team.

If Barkley returns he does so with the stamp of Mara.