Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Burns is also top notch quality. Reliable and in his prime. This would be a KMac-Plax-Rolle type FA acquisition.
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In comment 16422691 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16422687 AcidTest said:
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
if the worst happens and he gets hurt and signs for peanuts, i have no issue being the team that signs a 24 year old edge rusher with ability for peanuts. that seems pretty low risk to me. whoever you draft in the 4th round could get hurt too.
Agree to disagree. Best ability is availability. He's young and oft injured, I'm not expecting that to get better in a sport like football.
He makes more sense for a contender who needs a good 3rd ER
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Agreed, besides for a guy like Onwenu the likes of which rarely ever hits FA (an ol on upward trajectory not yet in his prime) I'd pay whatever it takes go get him.
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At 47 you get a very good player low cap number controlled for 4 years. You don't trade that pick for a high priced player. Horrible idea.
At 47 you might get that guy. The draft is a crapshoot.
The odds of getting a guy anywhere near Burns' level for pick 47 are very, very low.
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
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In comment 16422697 Breeze_94 said:
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
There are several big fast guys that have the potential to be #1s: Adonai Mitchell, Troy Franklin and Xavier Leggette each fit the bill and would be excellent alternatives to Odunze. If he even makes it to our pick.
He probably wants out, wants a longer contract, in addition to the Panthers not having much cap room and having a bare cupboard of picks this year. Could be a perfect storm for us to get a blue chip pass rusher and building block of our defense.
Absolutely! Add in a guy like Murphy Bunting and Autry for DE. Then we are really talking and would be able to draft bpa after QB WR in first two rounds.
Upon further review, I think Darious Williams would be a better signing than Murphy Bunting. Williams has shown he can play well on the outside, Murphy Bunting hasn't really shown that.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
i feel like ive spent a decade trying to explain this concept.
what guarantee is there that any rookie will have ability or availability? dj davidson, mckethan, beavers all shredded ACL's year 1. robinson and ezeudu also ended up on IR as rookies.
i totally get not wanting to invest in ojulari but moving him saves 1.5m. that's it. and in 10+ picks from 2 deeper drafts im pretty sure this regime had only drafted 1 starter day 3 (mcfadden). so the expectation with any day 3 pick shouldnt be that much higher than a waiver claim like hodgins or mccloud.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
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Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
$30M - $25M = $5M...where did you get $3M?
And I said, "I hope." I didn't say that was a deal breaker. Calm yourself.
You said North of $25M… that means more than $25M, not equal to $25M…
and you said less than $30M… that means LESS than $30M, inot equal to $30M
You aren’t going to complain if it’s $26M-$29M but $30M is too much… lol… again listen to yourself, it just sounds dumb to me but oh well I’ll leave it alone now
How many do we have? 2, maybe 3. This guy has been to pro bowls (plural). Make the deal!
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
Not to mention, they probably have the league's worst roster and don't have a frp.
Leonard Williams was never a premier two way pass rusher, so we upgrade big time.
How many do we have? 2, maybe 3. This guy has been to pro bowls (plural). Make the deal!
Plus, he is just entering his prime. Would be an amazing move for pick 47, id be shocked he didn't fetch more although I wouldn't trade more either
He is too old to give a longer deal to in which we could backload money into the post DJ era. It wouldn't make sense imo.
Khalil Mack was traded to the Chargers from the Bears for a future 2nd and future 6th. Mack was older, but established as an elite game wrecker also. The original poster mentioned pick 47 only, not a future 2nd.
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
Not to mention, they probably have the league's worst roster and don't have a frp.
yep. this was from 1 week ago - writing appears on the wall that he's getting dealt somewhere before UFA:
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I’m told the #Panthers informed Brian Burns during the Combine this past week that they aren’t continuing contract talks—at this time, per source.
im also surprised if that's the price, but you have to remember we are right at the start of FA. any team negotiating with Carolina can easily pull the Danielle Hunter/Bryce Huff/Christian Wilkins card and say "I can just go pay 1 of those guys and save my pick".
Looks like he's already a NYG with the way Josina is full immersed in the details of his saga, but her reporting from a couple days supports #47 as possibly in line with where the market is right now:
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Regarding Carolina’s current situation with Brian Burns, a league source told me in their opinion, that the #Panthers should adapt better to present circumstances in order to potentially consummate a trade. The source said in their view it’s a double whammy to pay huge money for a player, and also give huge Draft compensation to the other team for a deal. They added, the time to get more draft picks was when the player has years left on their deal; but if the player is in their last year—the other team has to be prepared to keep the player, or take less.
I’ve heard some league sources say third-round compensation is fair for Burns if the acquiring team is also giving him a long-term deal, but that asking for 1-Plus is definitely too much for them.
I had heard a while ago it was two 1sts. Can't remember where I saw it, but recently read it was two 1sts and a 2nd.
And the nature of FA is to overpay. The question is how much...
that was according to shefter reporting 2 trade deadlines ago.
remember at that time he was 23 years old in the midst of a pro bowl season with 1.5 years of control left before FA.
Sources: Rams offered trades for Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey - ( New Window )
And the nature of FA is to overpay. The question is how much...
he would give us what we hoped for w/ thibs. not saying thibs cant still reach that level but burns is a better player than thibs by a healthy margin.
11 sacks, got held a lot.
they gave up 2 firsts for jalen ramsey at a similar age/situation.
they gave up a 2nd and 3rd for von miller as a rental in 2021.
dolphins gave up a 1st and 4th for bradley chubb in 2022 and he was older than Burns (also not as good).
pro bowl pass rushers on their rookie deals are probably the hardest thing to get other than qbs.
11 sacks, got held a lot.
like thibs burns probably got held a lot too, he was the best guy on that defense by a pretty big margin but still put up a bigger win rate. he started in the prior 2 pro bowls for a reason.
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offered two 1sts for him at one time. Is that accurate?
that was according to shefter reporting 2 trade deadlines ago.
remember at that time he was 23 years old in the midst of a pro bowl season with 1.5 years of control left before FA. Sources: Rams offered trades for Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey - ( New Window )
That's the thing, this is a trade and sign situation like the Sweat to Bears deal. Compensation would presumably be similar like the pick 47 mentioned before because we don't get half a season of him on his rookie deal.
Line up opposite burns lol
probably just be more consistent he's shown all the traits, but part of that is likely environmental. he and burns would both probably be better off playing fewer than the 87% of snaps they played last year and they would definitely both be better off getting to play from ahead more as opposed to behind all the time.
other top edges play more like 75% snaps - so they get more rest - and any of the ones on good teams get more obvious pass situations/fewer run snaps.
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
No it's not. They have plenty of money.
They can easily move money to future years.
If they want him and he wants them it's not for one year.
Contract package: $150 million/5 years ($30 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $105 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $82.5 million
First three years: $95 million
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Best ability is availability.
what guarantee is there that any rookie will have ability or availability? dj davidson, mckethan, beavers all shredded ACL's year 1. robinson and ezeudu also ended up on IR as rookies.
i totally get not wanting to invest in ojulari but moving him saves 1.5m. that's it. and in 10+ picks from 2 deeper drafts im pretty sure this regime had only drafted 1 starter day 3 (mcfadden). so the expectation with any day 3 pick shouldnt be that much higher than a waiver claim like hodgins or mccloud.
With that logic they should just trade all day 3 picks. I never once mentioned the savings because its not about that, If I know I'm not resigning him long term and we're not a perennial playoff team I'd rather trade him. Maybe they keep him and he plays well and they can try trading him at the deadline.
He could put up 12 sacks and I'm still not resigning him because he'll get a multi year deal from someone else.
Its not the end of the world if they keep him, just saying what I would do.
He could put up 12 sacks and I'm still not resigning him because he'll get a multi year deal from someone else.
i agree - but in that instance they got 12 sacks + probably a solid comp pick (3rd/4th).
i think its worth a 2m flier to get that upside. in a weak draft im not cashing in a cheap edge with talent for a non-top 100 pick.
You beat me to it. Of course a players first ask would he the h8gh end of his perceived value. That's how you start negotiations