Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
that's where the price for top pass rushers is going. he's already tagged at 24m and his tag next year would be closer to 30m, so his 2 trajectory is already getting close to 30m aav guaranteed before a new deal.
justin madubuike just got 98m over 4 years and 75.5m of it guaranteed. he will make 53.5m in the first 2 years at a position cheaper than edge.
id personally do the 47th pick without blinking i think. burns is a total stud. wanted him badly before he got taken ahead of lawrence.
Dolphins gave up a 1st and a 4th for Chubb and a 5th in Nov 22.
eric was hinting yesterday that the giants were in the trade market for edge. i havent seen him validate any suggestions of who they might be going for and this could be bs inspired by that but who knows.
Dolphins gave up a 1st and a 4th for Chubb and a 5th in Nov 22.
chase young returned a 3rd from SF
montez sweat returned a 2nd from CHI and got a 4x98m
burns is better than both and would require a bigger contract than both so i can see why CAR would hope to get more in trade comp.
but this is a harder time of year to make a trade like that since any team could just go to UFA and sign whoever they want to a big deal without giving up any picks.
Dolphins gave up a 1st and a 4th for Chubb and a 5th in Nov 22.
Another comp: Montez Sweat was traded for the 40 overall.
Hard, hard pass.
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Yeah, screw that. Burns is very good but that’s ludicrous
that's where the price for top pass rushers is going. he's already tagged at 24m and his tag next year would be closer to 30m, so his 2 trajectory is already getting close to 30m aav guaranteed before a new deal.
justin madubuike just got 98m over 4 years and 75.5m of it guaranteed. he will make 53.5m in the first 2 years at a position cheaper than edge.
id personally do the 47th pick without blinking i think. burns is a total stud. wanted him badly before he got taken ahead of lawrence.
I understand that’s where edge prices are heading. And I’m completely against paying Burns that much. This is why it’s important to add edge in the draft
Hard, hard pass.
the average aav of the current top 5 edges is 27m.
why wouldn't any player on a franchise tag ask for the higher end of that average?
I complained about the allocation of money to a 31 yr old CB earlier.
Now if you told me they pass on paying for McKinney, and use the flexibility that grants them for a move like this - for a 25 year old impact pass rusher - that I would not mind at all.
Burns is a stud.
I complained about the allocation of money to a 31 yr old CB earlier.
Now if you told me they pass on paying for McKinney, and use the flexibility that grants them for a move like this - for a 25 year old impact pass rusher - that I would not mind at all.
Burns is a stud.
they have plenty of money to add/retain multiple players. they are flush with cap space in the future.
they are entering UFA this year with twice as much spending power as last year, maybe more.
the fans through higher ticket prices, higher TV subscription prices, and more annoying commercials per minute.
bingo. edge is the 2nd most expensive position other than QB.
if you want an impact edge this is what it will cost and you arent finding a better 25 year old edge than burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
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but an ask of $30M per makes you wonder if Team Burns is using illegal substances from one of the drug cartels...
Hard, hard pass.
the average aav of the current top 5 edges is 27m.
why wouldn't any player on a franchise tag ask for the higher end of that average?
I understand the circumstances and Team Burns can certainly ask for that amount. You are correct. I wrote before I thought.
But I don't consider this guy a top ten edge. He's right on the outside looking in. That's what I should have said...
jmo but i think it's more likely they would use the 2025 first to move up since they dont have a lot of picks this year.
i also think they may need to if they are going to match offers from other teams farther back who will have to put their 2025 firsts on the table. minnesota and denver being 2 examples whose trade packages may look a lot better than nyg even though the teams trading back would go down farther.
I would not dismiss this.
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A lot.
I complained about the allocation of money to a 31 yr old CB earlier.
Now if you told me they pass on paying for McKinney, and use the flexibility that grants them for a move like this - for a 25 year old impact pass rusher - that I would not mind at all.
Burns is a stud.
they have plenty of money to add/retain multiple players. they are flush with cap space in the future.
they are entering UFA this year with twice as much spending power as last year, maybe more.
Not disagreeing with that. But they still need to pick and choose where they are going to allocate resources. It’s amazing how people don’t remember what got the giants into the mess they were in a few years ago.
$100m in cap space dries up pretty fast when the average contract for a strong starter at most positions is now well above $10m and exceeding $20m for good talent at premium positions.
But I don't consider this guy a top ten edge. He's right on the outside looking in. That's what I should have said...
this is the right question / way to look at it. the team that pays him close to 30m is a team that thinks he is a top 5-10 edge.
i think he's pretty clearly behind nick bosa and myles garrett, but other than those 2 i think there's an argument id take him over joey bosa (turning 29) and tj watt (turning 30).
he is clustered in the next group down with josh allen, montez sweat, rashan gary, etc. both drafted in 2019 there are very few players league wide who will look in any way comparable to nick bosa in a chart like this and burns has had very little help around him in CAR. i would definitely take burns over montez sweat (who just got 24.5m aav and 73m gtd).
Not disagreeing with that. But they still need to pick and choose where they are going to allocate resources. It’s amazing how people don’t remember what got the giants into the mess they were in a few years ago.
$100m in cap space dries up pretty fast when the average contract for a strong starter at most positions is now well above $10m and exceeding $20m for good talent at premium positions.
no disagreement here either - my point is simply that let's say they see 2 slots for long term players at high AAV's they want to fill.
in FA they could go for someone like hunter at a price tag that's indifferent from whatever burns gets. but they'd be buying a player with a lot more usage at age 30.
brian burns at 25 is perhaps the best young player at a premium position who could change teams this offseason. i very much see the appeal to being willing to give him a massive contract if the trade cost is below a 1st round pick. 2 years ago LAR offered 2 firsts for him.
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so I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss this. Perhaps he heard something too.
I would not dismiss this.
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It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
That's not what he said.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
I thought I scrolled down. That's not what he said.
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47 won’t be helping us move up from 6…
Should say maybe, They’re dangling next years 1 to move up
No interest in him either. Expensive FA signings also rarely work out.
He's young, borderline elite and is always on the field. Generally I lean your direction with trading picks but this would be a rare exception.
Very interesting
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Danielle Hunter.
No interest in him either. Expensive FA signings also rarely work out.
I tend to agree.
He's a monster. But he is turning 30 during next season.
If you can get comfortable with that piece, you are looking at possibly getting 2-3 high level years from a guy on a path to Canton.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
I absolutely love asshatSZN.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.
Give me a good, competitive football team that can enjoy every weekend and let the GM and money people do the rest.
Either trust the GM or don’t.
I am for getting impact players at impact positions.
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?
there arent really any apples-to-apples comparisons when it comes to multiple time pro bowlers at premium positions at age 25.
the dolphins also traded for bradley chubb, though also not apples/apples because that was in-season and for a 1st rd pick.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
Based on cap increase the comparable contract for TJ Watt today would be roughly $39MM per year. So there is that.
Yep. Burns would make Thibs a better player, and Dex makes everyone better. Throw in Okereke and Banks and you have a nice foundation. Maybe they’ll surprise us and keep McKinney too.
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
I just mentioned, but the cap in 2021 was 182 million then....its 255 million now. And that matters.
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.
Exactly. And keep in mind with the sack total, he's played
A LOT of snaps with Carolina trailing which means less pass rush opportunities. Not that would change immediately here, just saying on a winning team I think those numbers can increase.
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
Nobody disputes that Burns is a terrific player. But this type of trade should only be made by a team that is one or two players away from being a legitimate SB contender. That isn't the Giants. They should rebuild the team through the draft, and by signing players that don't count against the comp pick formula and off the practice squads of other teams.
Ojulari was another bad pick by DG. He slipped in the draft because of a preexisting injury history. He should be traded for whatever we can get for him, including a seventh.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought
That's true, I do. I think bad teams should rebuild primarily through the draft, not be trading picks for players, unless it's a sixth or a seventh. (I was fine trading a seventh for Simmons.)
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
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Not about what Panthers would want as much as what Burns would want.
Was some buzz at Combine about whether Giants would look to add an Edge player via trade. Not the first time I’ve heard his name.
A caveat: Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan are close, too. So not outrageous. Expensive
Some have been excited over Bryce Huff and he's a fine player, but he's been situational and is awful against the run.
Burns is one of the best all around ends in the league. I'm very curious what the compensation is rumored to be.
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Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
$30M - $25M = $5M...where did you get $3M?
And I said, "I hope." I didn't say that was a deal breaker. Calm yourself.
DEAN!!! How are you?
Burns is one of the best all around ends in the game.
This. There’s a window to build one of the most dominant front 7’s in the league. Dex, KT, Okereke, Burns. By the time KT gets paid, the Burns contract will either look outstanding - or be easy (or easier) to shed.
Great example - look at the Dex contract. Already looks great, especially with the jump in cap. He’s making less than Madabuike - a guy he’s much better than IMO.
Use your cap space.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
Chiefs won the Super Bowl because of Chris Jones and then Mahomes this year.
+1
Hard, hard pass.
If it was 4 years they could backload the contract for when DJ is off the books and still sign Onwenu and Autry potentially. Then use future first and 2nd to trade up if they really want Maye or maybe if they do this it's a sign they like McCarthy and have intel they can get him with slight trade up to 5?
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
Tied for 10th in pass rush win rate last season. He was also playing banged up on an awful defense & team that fired their HC mid-season. There's also this:
“Dealing with what I was dealing with in camp I was terrified to get hurt.” Did he ever find himself feeling like he was playing not to get hurt?
“I don’t wanna say that, but in the back of my head. probably sometimes.
Being transparent, I wouldn’t say it’s nothing I’m proud of but it’s human nature.” Adds his effort never waned.
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And it tells us a few things.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
As others mentioned before, they may also know the only way they could get into the top 3 is using next year's first.
I think the edge player opposite Thibs is the biggest need on the defense. Thibs gets more attention than he deserves simply because offenses don’t have to worry at all about the Jihad Wards and Boogie Bashams. Obviously Ojulari is rarely out there or effective. Burns is a stronger number two threat behind Dex, and Thibs can take advantage of that.
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And it tells us a few things.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
As others mentioned before, they may also know the only way they could get into the top 3 is using next year's first.
They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
Yes and if they know they are getting a qb in rd1 then they can plan ahead and backload contracts to hit the books after DJ is gone.
They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
They have two seconds. If they traded one for Burns they'd still have a 2nd and next year's first to use to move up. Plenty of capital.
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
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Brian Burns said all the injuries on the defensive side early in the season impacted him, especially after his contract talks stalled.
“Dealing with what I was dealing with in camp I was terrified to get hurt.” Did he ever find himself feeling like he was playing not to get hurt?
“I don’t wanna say that, but in the back of my head. probably sometimes.
Being transparent, I wouldn’t say it’s nothing I’m proud of but it’s human nature.” Adds his effort never waned.
Burns is a good player. And I agree the circumstances in Carolina were far from ideal.
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They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
They have two seconds. If they traded one for Burns they'd still have a 2nd and next year's first to use to move up. Plenty of capital.
You sacrifice getting a potential #1wr or potential starting o lineman. On a team with a lot of holes, I don't see Schoen doing this trade and then trading up. What do I know, but I really think this would be a sign he likes DM and JJM about equally. That would be great news for us. I would hate to trade pick 39 and a future first for DM when I and sy and others have JJM graded slightly higher than DM.
This is a good point. I'd be glad to see the Giants get back to strong defensive line play.
How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
Did you guys see Eric's response earlier in the thread...
We have lacked a dynamic rush for some time and like a stable OL....is a definite need for a winning team.
If we do trade for Burns and sign Russell...I agree with most that getting that QB in the draft could set this team up for the future with all the cap that is becoming available.
It could energize this fanbase deeply in need of energizing.
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
Not playing DJ to avoid the extra 25 million with Russ playing and both of them tutoring a rookie would be a stellar plan. I agree if they do this they aren't trading up to 3 though. I really think this would tell us they are fine with DM or JJM and don't need to trade up to 3. That would be ideal for us, obviously only if the qb we get pans out. I agree though, if they make this trade I don't see them trading up to 3. They will need that pick 39, a lot of great players will be there at positions of need (WR would be best imo, Franklin Mitchell or Leggette).
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
As I said earlier in the thread, the only hurdle is the contract. Believe what you want.
I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
No. Eric flat out said don't dismiss this.
If the Giants are willing to move up a draft pick you can bet your ass that they know exactly what they would need to move up.
Make it so Joe!
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
No. Eric flat out said don't dismiss this.
Oh I missed that one, much more exciting now. It would be an outstanding trade if they believe in DM or JJM and don't plan on trading up to 3. I wouldn't like it so much if they traded our other 2nd and future 1st to trade up to 3. The WRs and OL are just too deep in this draft to trade both 2s.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
Yes. It should.
Some would prefer paying Safeties high money or wide receivers big money in free agency, but those are mistakes. And I feel Joe Schoen agrees with that. Draft receivers and draft low or mid caliber positions.
Trading and paying for Burns doesn't stop them from getting a QB early this upcoming Draft.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
As I said earlier in the thread, the only hurdle is the contract. Believe what you want.
Another point, if we make this trade I think it spells DJ is done here. Otherwise the cap wiggling would be ugly. It would only work well if they can sign him to 4 years for 110-120m and backload the contract to hit in years 3 and 4 with a rookie qb contract on the books imo
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Some would prefer paying Safeties high money or wide receivers big money in free agency, but those are mistakes. And I feel Joe Schoen agrees with that. Draft receivers and draft low or mid caliber positions.
Trading and paying for Burns doesn't stop them from getting a QB early this upcoming Draft.
It doesn't, it actually points toward them doing that and planning to have a rookie qb Contract on the books. I do think it would be a sign they aren't trading up to 3 though. We have too many holes to trade pick 47 for Burns and a future first plus pick 39 to the Pats.
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Oh gotcha, I knew I was missing some kind of reference there 😅
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Oh gotcha, I knew I was missing some kind of reference there 😅
If the Giants stink again next year, invest those saved hours from Sunday on catching up on the Mandalorian! This is the way.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
This is a deep draft. SD might want the third this year. We'd also be trading up for a QB and might possibly be competing with a team trying to "leapfrog" us for the last of the "big four" QBs.
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intention of moving up in the draft for a QB.
that’s how it looks
How so?
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
You don't have to trade for him. He's free. Plus he will cost the vet minimum.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
He's a freevafent,likely on a vet min deal
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
He's a freevafent,likely on a vet min deal
Free agent. Whoops
As many of us (including Tiki Barber) said yesterday, the fact that they met with Wilson means Jones is toast.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
#54 Brian Burns (DE, Panthers) | Top 100 Players of 2023 - ( New Window )
But the cap keeps going up, significantly over the next 2 years.
It's a premium position. That's where you want to spend your $$$. Not S and RB.
bend and explosion are top tier. has the knack for forced fumble. talent wise he is on the level we havent seen since osi/jpp.
put him on the other side of thibs and you have maybe the best edge rushing duo in nfl. if ojulari also stays healthy somehow and with dex collapsing the interior, wow look out. that is a potentially elite front.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
As many of us (including Tiki Barber) said yesterday, the fact that they met with Wilson means Jones is toast.
lol. Eric out here breaking hearts
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Thomas talks about Burns in this clip #54 Brian Burns (DE, Panthers) | Top 100 Players of 2023 - ( New Window )
bend and explosion are top tier. has the knack for forced fumble. talent wise he is on the level we havent seen since osi/jpp.
put him on the other side of thibs and you have maybe the best edge rushing duo in nfl. if ojulari also stays healthy somehow and with dex collapsing the interior, wow look out. that is a potentially elite front.
This. It almost makes too much sense.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
I think he was agreeing with me, lol
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
I think he was agreeing with me, lol
I was agreeing with you. I think there is more untapped big years ahead of him. I think his sacks numbers are lower because his team stinks. On a good team that takes leads into the 4th he could have some massive seasons IMO.
How in the world did he think I was complaining about Burns with that post?
Add in a left tackle. A lot of fans overcomplicate things. Get a QB and the team will compete fast. QB is the toughest thing to hit though.
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Having to potential elite edge rushers in their prime locked in for the next four years gives them opportunity to compete for something more than winning the wild card round
Add in a left tackle. A lot of fans overcomplicate things. Get a QB and the team will compete fast. QB is the toughest thing to hit though.
Yup, it would be great to land one of the top WRs in round 2 but the college game produces and handful of really good to great WRs each year. But also don’t think our WRs are as bad as they’re made out to be here.
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
And who knows maybe next offseason there’s an AJ Brown to the Eagles type trade available to make.
People get frustrated with guys who get hurt and I get that but it would be hard to find more upside than a guy with his ability in a contract year and only costing 2m against the cap.
I’d bet a team would trade a 3rd or 4th for him. Keeping him and hoping to recoup that with a comp pick if he leaves next year is the way I’d go. He is a lot more talented than most teams 3rd rusher (assuming they add an upgrade at edge).
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
Carolina has a first time GM - Dan Morgan - and an owner who thinks he's Bill Polian. I'm not ready to take anything they do seriously yet.
Burns is a good player. I just don't see an elite player for the money being tossed around.
Now, if we made a move for Hunter, which certainly has risk, I could buy that more because he's elite and has cleared a nice path to Canton.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
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QB - someone good
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
And who knows maybe next offseason there’s an AJ Brown to the Eagles type trade available to make.
Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
While I do have concerns with the cost of Burns, I'm excited about a potential identity.
--Build a pass rush
--Draft the future QB
Hopefully they can sign a guard for the OL and you can see this team look much more competitive pretty quickly.
their draft picks are #33, #65, #100.
that does not create a lot of options as free agency opens to improve their roster - which needs pretty much everything.
trading Burns for the best pick/picks they can get creates another 24m of cap room. the extra cap room could fill 3 or 4 needs plus whatever they do with the pick (s) beyond that.
trading him before monday seems like the right move. id be a little surprised if pick #47 is best they can get but no complaints if it gets him to ny.
This would be a good get but the price can’t be 30 mil per… it has to be less and that is because we will need to pay him less this year to leave cap room meaning higher price for later years would be crazy at 30 mil per year.
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
if the worst happens and he gets hurt and signs for peanuts, i have no issue being the team that signs a 24 year old edge rusher with ability for peanuts. that seems pretty low risk to me. whoever you draft in the 4th round could get hurt too.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
I would absolutely take a fourth for Ojulari.
I can't see counting on him to have a season that would get anyone to give him a $10M+ contract next year.
You have to assume that any comp pick we would otherwise get for him if he leaves would be cancelled out by our FA signings.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
I would absolutely take a fourth for Ojulari.
I can't see counting on him to have a season that would get anyone to give him a $10M+ contract next year.
You have to assume that any comp pick we would otherwise get for him if he leaves would be cancelled out by our FA signings.
even if you could get a 4th for him this is a thin draft. you are likely getting a prospect on the level of belton/davidson/bellinger/beavers/mckethan.
i also disagree about the need to assume comp picks get cancelled out. if they add burns via trade, resign 1 of their FAs, and then sign players who got cut as opposed to UFAs (like williams or russ) they may get comp picks this year even spending a lot. manipulating the comp pick system gets more easily doable every year it seems.
Cutting Ojulari makes zero sense. I get that his injury history is frustrating, but he’s cheap, and a good player when healthy. Bringing him back in 2025 is another story.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
This is a deep draft. SD might want the third this year. We'd also be trading up for a QB and might possibly be competing with a team trying to "leapfrog" us for the last of the "big four" QBs.
I don't think the Chargers have any interest on missing out on their guy whether it's Odunze, Bowers or Alt or someone else. They will only want to trace with us imo. Future 3rd and 5th will do it I think
Unless you're Dave Gettleman who thinks his DCs can scheme it up without the talent.
Get Burns and sign Autry to a 1 year deal for DE spot. Then sign Onwenu to 4 or 5 years with both Burns and Onwenu's money stacked at the back end after DJ is off books and we have rookie qb contract. Sign a guy like Murphy Bunting or Darious Williams. Take QB rd 1 wr rd 2 then bpa focused on CB OL DL RB the rest of the way.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Burns is also top notch quality. Reliable and in his prime. This would be a KMac-Plax-Rolle type FA acquisition.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
if the worst happens and he gets hurt and signs for peanuts, i have no issue being the team that signs a 24 year old edge rusher with ability for peanuts. that seems pretty low risk to me. whoever you draft in the 4th round could get hurt too.
Agree to disagree. Best ability is availability. He's young and oft injured, I'm not expecting that to get better in a sport like football.
He makes more sense for a contender who needs a good 3rd ER
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Agreed, besides for a guy like Onwenu the likes of which rarely ever hits FA (an ol on upward trajectory not yet in his prime) I'd pay whatever it takes go get him.
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At 47 you get a very good player low cap number controlled for 4 years. You don't trade that pick for a high priced player. Horrible idea.
At 47 you might get that guy. The draft is a crapshoot.
The odds of getting a guy anywhere near Burns' level for pick 47 are very, very low.
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
There are several big fast guys that have the potential to be #1s: Adonai Mitchell, Troy Franklin and Xavier Leggette each fit the bill and would be excellent alternatives to Odunze. If he even makes it to our pick.
He probably wants out, wants a longer contract, in addition to the Panthers not having much cap room and having a bare cupboard of picks this year. Could be a perfect storm for us to get a blue chip pass rusher and building block of our defense.
Absolutely! Add in a guy like Murphy Bunting and Autry for DE. Then we are really talking and would be able to draft bpa after QB WR in first two rounds.
Upon further review, I think Darious Williams would be a better signing than Murphy Bunting. Williams has shown he can play well on the outside, Murphy Bunting hasn't really shown that.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
i feel like ive spent a decade trying to explain this concept.
what guarantee is there that any rookie will have ability or availability? dj davidson, mckethan, beavers all shredded ACL's year 1. robinson and ezeudu also ended up on IR as rookies.
i totally get not wanting to invest in ojulari but moving him saves 1.5m. that's it. and in 10+ picks from 2 deeper drafts im pretty sure this regime had only drafted 1 starter day 3 (mcfadden). so the expectation with any day 3 pick shouldnt be that much higher than a waiver claim like hodgins or mccloud.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
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Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
$30M - $25M = $5M...where did you get $3M?
And I said, "I hope." I didn't say that was a deal breaker. Calm yourself.
You said North of $25M… that means more than $25M, not equal to $25M…
and you said less than $30M… that means LESS than $30M, inot equal to $30M
You aren’t going to complain if it’s $26M-$29M but $30M is too much… lol… again listen to yourself, it just sounds dumb to me but oh well I’ll leave it alone now
How many do we have? 2, maybe 3. This guy has been to pro bowls (plural). Make the deal!
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
Not to mention, they probably have the league's worst roster and don't have a frp.
Leonard Williams was never a premier two way pass rusher, so we upgrade big time.
How many do we have? 2, maybe 3. This guy has been to pro bowls (plural). Make the deal!
Plus, he is just entering his prime. Would be an amazing move for pick 47, id be shocked he didn't fetch more although I wouldn't trade more either
He is too old to give a longer deal to in which we could backload money into the post DJ era. It wouldn't make sense imo.
Khalil Mack was traded to the Chargers from the Bears for a future 2nd and future 6th. Mack was older, but established as an elite game wrecker also. The original poster mentioned pick 47 only, not a future 2nd.
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
Not to mention, they probably have the league's worst roster and don't have a frp.
yep. this was from 1 week ago - writing appears on the wall that he's getting dealt somewhere before UFA:
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
I’m told the #Panthers informed Brian Burns during the Combine this past week that they aren’t continuing contract talks—at this time, per source.
im also surprised if that's the price, but you have to remember we are right at the start of FA. any team negotiating with Carolina can easily pull the Danielle Hunter/Bryce Huff/Christian Wilkins card and say "I can just go pay 1 of those guys and save my pick".
Looks like he's already a NYG with the way Josina is full immersed in the details of his saga, but her reporting from a couple days supports #47 as possibly in line with where the market is right now:
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Regarding Carolina’s current situation with Brian Burns, a league source told me in their opinion, that the #Panthers should adapt better to present circumstances in order to potentially consummate a trade. The source said in their view it’s a double whammy to pay huge money for a player, and also give huge Draft compensation to the other team for a deal. They added, the time to get more draft picks was when the player has years left on their deal; but if the player is in their last year—the other team has to be prepared to keep the player, or take less.
I’ve heard some league sources say third-round compensation is fair for Burns if the acquiring team is also giving him a long-term deal, but that asking for 1-Plus is definitely too much for them.
I had heard a while ago it was two 1sts. Can't remember where I saw it, but recently read it was two 1sts and a 2nd.
And the nature of FA is to overpay. The question is how much...
that was according to shefter reporting 2 trade deadlines ago.
remember at that time he was 23 years old in the midst of a pro bowl season with 1.5 years of control left before FA.
Sources: Rams offered trades for Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey - ( New Window )
And the nature of FA is to overpay. The question is how much...
he would give us what we hoped for w/ thibs. not saying thibs cant still reach that level but burns is a better player than thibs by a healthy margin.
11 sacks, got held a lot.
they gave up 2 firsts for jalen ramsey at a similar age/situation.
they gave up a 2nd and 3rd for von miller as a rental in 2021.
dolphins gave up a 1st and 4th for bradley chubb in 2022 and he was older than Burns (also not as good).
pro bowl pass rushers on their rookie deals are probably the hardest thing to get other than qbs.
11 sacks, got held a lot.
like thibs burns probably got held a lot too, he was the best guy on that defense by a pretty big margin but still put up a bigger win rate. he started in the prior 2 pro bowls for a reason.
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offered two 1sts for him at one time. Is that accurate?
that was according to shefter reporting 2 trade deadlines ago.
remember at that time he was 23 years old in the midst of a pro bowl season with 1.5 years of control left before FA. Sources: Rams offered trades for Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey - ( New Window )
That's the thing, this is a trade and sign situation like the Sweat to Bears deal. Compensation would presumably be similar like the pick 47 mentioned before because we don't get half a season of him on his rookie deal.
Line up opposite burns lol
probably just be more consistent he's shown all the traits, but part of that is likely environmental. he and burns would both probably be better off playing fewer than the 87% of snaps they played last year and they would definitely both be better off getting to play from ahead more as opposed to behind all the time.
other top edges play more like 75% snaps - so they get more rest - and any of the ones on good teams get more obvious pass situations/fewer run snaps.
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They could easily afford him. Sounds like he wants out.
it is cap related if they aren't willing to meet his price on extension. they've had negotiations with him for a while now. if they cant extend him then it is absolutely a cap constraint to carry 1 player on a 24m hit when you only have 10m of cap room.
No it's not. They have plenty of money.
They can easily move money to future years.
If they want him and he wants them it's not for one year.
Contract package: $150 million/5 years ($30 million per year)
Overall guarantees: $105 million
Fully guaranteed at signing: $82.5 million
First three years: $95 million
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Best ability is availability.
what guarantee is there that any rookie will have ability or availability? dj davidson, mckethan, beavers all shredded ACL's year 1. robinson and ezeudu also ended up on IR as rookies.
i totally get not wanting to invest in ojulari but moving him saves 1.5m. that's it. and in 10+ picks from 2 deeper drafts im pretty sure this regime had only drafted 1 starter day 3 (mcfadden). so the expectation with any day 3 pick shouldnt be that much higher than a waiver claim like hodgins or mccloud.
With that logic they should just trade all day 3 picks. I never once mentioned the savings because its not about that, If I know I'm not resigning him long term and we're not a perennial playoff team I'd rather trade him. Maybe they keep him and he plays well and they can try trading him at the deadline.
He could put up 12 sacks and I'm still not resigning him because he'll get a multi year deal from someone else.
Its not the end of the world if they keep him, just saying what I would do.
He could put up 12 sacks and I'm still not resigning him because he'll get a multi year deal from someone else.
i agree - but in that instance they got 12 sacks + probably a solid comp pick (3rd/4th).
i think its worth a 2m flier to get that upside. in a weak draft im not cashing in a cheap edge with talent for a non-top 100 pick.
You beat me to it. Of course a players first ask would he the h8gh end of his perceived value. That's how you start negotiations