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Rickey213 : 3/9/2024 11:19 am
Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
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If we’ve learned anything recently  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2024 12:09 pm : link
it’s that the Giants can spare a draft pick here or there. Let Joe Schoen cook!
Eric on LI  
The Dude : 3/9/2024 12:09 pm : link
is correct. It's fairly rare in the NFL but Burns is the type of player that if available, you trade for.



I absolutely love asshatSZN.
Would feel better about this  
M.S. : 3/9/2024 12:10 pm : link
If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
RE: RE: TJ Watt got $28M/year in 2021  
Capt. Don : 3/9/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16422445 90.Cal said:
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In comment 16422420 Capt. Don said:


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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.

It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.



So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.


Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
RE: Would feel better about this  
Eric on Li : 3/9/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16422478 M.S. said:
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!


where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?

how has that worked out?
RE: Would feel better about this  
Breeze_94 : 3/9/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16422478 M.S. said:
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!


It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.
I don’t care about the details  
Giantimistic : 3/9/2024 12:13 pm : link
How much money, ect.

Give me a good, competitive football team that can enjoy every weekend and let the GM and money people do the rest.

Either trust the GM or don’t.

I am for getting impact players at impact positions.
RE: RE: Would feel better about this  
M.S. : 3/9/2024 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16422480 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16422478 M.S. said:


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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!



where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?

how has that worked out?

Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?
I like Burns in a deal for many reasons but the problem  
ThomasG : 3/9/2024 12:13 pm : link
is the timeline with no QB in hand. To be big spenders for top end talent yet nobody to actually produce points sounds reckless.
Ya blow most of our cap space  
Giant John : 3/9/2024 12:14 pm : link
On one player.
Works for me  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2024 12:14 pm : link
we need guaranteed talent and I don’t really care if it’s $25m or $30m - just make sure you get the player right.
Seems to be a lot of smoke  
OBJRoyal : 3/9/2024 12:14 pm : link
Around this if you know who follow on this site
Dex, Thibs, Burns  
Professor Falken : 3/9/2024 12:15 pm : link
would be a handful.
The NFL cap  
The Dude : 3/9/2024 12:15 pm : link
is now 255 million. For those comparing it to deals made in 2021.....it was 182 million back then...........
RE: RE: No  
BigBlueShock : 3/9/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16422466 Eric on Li said:
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.



the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.

how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?

in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?

AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought
RE: RE: RE: Would feel better about this  
Eric on Li : 3/9/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16422484 M.S. said:
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In comment 16422480 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16422478 M.S. said:


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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!



where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?

how has that worked out?


Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?


there arent really any apples-to-apples comparisons when it comes to multiple time pro bowlers at premium positions at age 25.

the dolphins also traded for bradley chubb, though also not apples/apples because that was in-season and for a 1st rd pick.
RE: TJ Watt got $28M/year in 2021  
mfjmfj : 3/9/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16422420 Capt. Don said:
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.

It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.


Based on cap increase the comparable contract for TJ Watt today would be roughly $39MM per year. So there is that.
RE: Dex, Thibs, Burns  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16422490 Professor Falken said:
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would be a handful.

Yep. Burns would make Thibs a better player, and Dex makes everyone better. Throw in Okereke and Banks and you have a nice foundation. Maybe they’ll surprise us and keep McKinney too.
RE: RE: RE: TJ Watt got $28M/year in 2021  
The Dude : 3/9/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16422479 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 16422445 90.Cal said:


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In comment 16422420 Capt. Don said:


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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.

It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.



So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.



Try reading my post out loud and slowly.


I just mentioned, but the cap in 2021 was 182 million then....its 255 million now. And that matters.
RE: RE: Would feel better about this  
GiantGrit : 3/9/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16422482 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 16422478 M.S. said:


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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.

But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!



It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.


Exactly. And keep in mind with the sack total, he's played
A LOT of snaps with Carolina trailing which means less pass rush opportunities. Not that would change immediately here, just saying on a winning team I think those numbers can increase.
RE: RE: No  
AcidTest : 3/9/2024 12:19 pm : link
In comment 16422466 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16422452 AcidTest said:


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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.



the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.

how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?

in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?


Nobody disputes that Burns is a terrific player. But this type of trade should only be made by a team that is one or two players away from being a legitimate SB contender. That isn't the Giants. They should rebuild the team through the draft, and by signing players that don't count against the comp pick formula and off the practice squads of other teams.

Ojulari was another bad pick by DG. He slipped in the draft because of a preexisting injury history. He should be traded for whatever we can get for him, including a seventh.
This would be very good  
Chris684 : 3/9/2024 12:20 pm : link
And it tells us a few things.

We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.

We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.

Burns is a stud.
RE: RE: RE: No  
AcidTest : 3/9/2024 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16422494 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16422466 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16422452 AcidTest said:


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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.



the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.

how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?

in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?


AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought


That's true, I do. I think bad teams should rebuild primarily through the draft, not be trading picks for players, unless it's a sixth or a seventh. (I was fine trading a seventh for Simmons.)
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2024 12:25 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: TJ Watt got $28M/year in 2021  
90.Cal : 3/9/2024 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16422479 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 16422445 90.Cal said:


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In comment 16422420 Capt. Don said:


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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.

It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.



So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.



Try reading my post out loud and slowly.


“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”

Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2024 12:27 pm : link
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Not about what Panthers would want as much as what Burns would want.
Was some buzz at Combine about whether Giants would look to add an Edge player via trade. Not the first time I’ve heard his name.

A caveat: Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan are close, too. So not outrageous. Expensive
Great, young Ends  
Toth029 : 3/9/2024 12:31 pm : link
Very rarely, if ever, reach FA.

Some have been excited over Bryce Huff and he's a fine player, but he's been situational and is awful against the run.

Burns is one of the best all around ends in the league. I'm very curious what the compensation is rumored to be.
He is a tremendous player  
Heisenberg : 3/9/2024 12:31 pm : link
would be fun to see him in blue
I remember with the past regime  
nygscott : 3/9/2024 12:33 pm : link
Judge talked about building back to front on D, so spending on X would've probably been a sure thing with them. It seems as though JS would rather build front to back if all these rumblings come to be.
RE: RE: RE: RE: TJ Watt got $28M/year in 2021  
Capt. Don : 3/9/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16422510 90.Cal said:
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In comment 16422479 Capt. Don said:


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In comment 16422445 90.Cal said:


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Try reading my post out loud and slowly.



“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”

Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important


$30M - $25M = $5M...where did you get $3M?

And I said, "I hope." I didn't say that was a deal breaker. Calm yourself.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2024 12:34 pm : link
Count me in for this
His age is the key.....a 4 year window  
George from PA : 3/9/2024 12:34 pm : link
He seems to be a one man wreaking crew.....
This would be a better move  
ajr2456 : 3/9/2024 12:35 pm : link
Than signing Hunter or an average edge. He’s young and really good.
Burns is a nice player  
Sean : 3/9/2024 12:36 pm : link
But, he's not a game wrecker. I'd be careful paying that to him.
Burns is the type of player you spend 30m on  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2024 12:36 pm : link
not Leonard Williams.
RE: 03/24  
Larry in Pencilvania : 3/9/2024 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16422389 DCPollaro said:
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DEAN!!! How are you?
Keep in mind  
Sammo85 : 3/9/2024 12:40 pm : link
Thibs is still 2-3 yrs from payday so might make sense to spend up front next couple years on cap hit for complementary edge and premier rusher then redraft a talent in 2-3 yrs if you pay Thibs. Burns figures to have a solid 4-5 yr window in him as a premier rusher.
….  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2024 12:40 pm : link
Burns on Thibodeaux on each edge…scary.
Bryce Huff  
Toth029 : 3/9/2024 12:41 pm : link
Is going to get close to $20M and he's never been a full time starter, and he's a one trick pony.

Burns is one of the best all around ends in the game.
RE: His age is the key.....a 4 year window  
Breeze_94 : 3/9/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16422526 George from PA said:
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He seems to be a one man wreaking crew.....


This. There’s a window to build one of the most dominant front 7’s in the league. Dex, KT, Okereke, Burns. By the time KT gets paid, the Burns contract will either look outstanding - or be easy (or easier) to shed.

Great example - look at the Dex contract. Already looks great, especially with the jump in cap. He’s making less than Madabuike - a guy he’s much better than IMO.

Toth029  
GiantGrit : 3/9/2024 12:41 pm : link
2024 & 2025 2nd's would be my wild guess.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2024 12:42 pm : link
Burns would make sense if they plan on starting the clock over on QB and tend to look further at WR and OL in the draft
It also lends credence  
Sammo85 : 3/9/2024 12:42 pm : link
To the plan Giants will have a young, cheapish QB contract in mix for 3 years or so once Jones is shed next season.

Use your cap space.
RE: Burns is the type of player you spend 30m on  
bw in dc : 3/9/2024 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16422530 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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not Leonard Williams.


FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
Giants showed the league  
Giantimistic : 3/9/2024 12:42 pm : link
How you beat the best offensive team ever. Get to the passer. Do that consistently and you will be in a lot of games. You must have a passer and get to the passer and protect the passer. That is the tree places to spend your big money.

Chiefs won the Super Bowl because of Chris Jones and then Mahomes this year.
RE: Keep in mind  
ajr2456 : 3/9/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16422535 Sammo85 said:
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Thibs is still 2-3 yrs from payday so might make sense to spend up front next couple years on cap hit for complementary edge and premier rusher then redraft a talent in 2-3 yrs if you pay Thibs. Burns figures to have a solid 4-5 yr window in him as a premier rusher.


+1
RE: Burns is a very good player...  
BleedBlue46 : 3/9/2024 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16422406 bw in dc said:
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but an ask of $30M per makes you wonder if Team Burns is using illegal substances from one of the drug cartels...

Hard, hard pass.


If it was 4 years they could backload the contract for when DJ is off the books and still sign Onwenu and Autry potentially. Then use future first and 2nd to trade up if they really want Maye or maybe if they do this it's a sign they like McCarthy and have intel they can get him with slight trade up to 5?
Burns was who Gettleman supposedly wanted in 2018...  
Milton : 3/9/2024 12:53 pm : link
But he went one pick (I think?) before Lawrence became the consolation prize. Now maybe they will have both.
Burns also increases Thibs effectiveness  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2024 12:56 pm : link
Could be a scary duo. Ohh and Dex wrecking games too.
RE: This would be very good  
BleedBlue46 : 3/9/2024 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16422505 Chris684 said:
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And it tells us a few things.

We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.

We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.

Burns is a stud.


I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
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