Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
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But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.
Give me a good, competitive football team that can enjoy every weekend and let the GM and money people do the rest.
Either trust the GM or don’t.
I am for getting impact players at impact positions.
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought
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In comment 16422478 M.S. said:
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
where were the dolphins as a franchise when they traded for tyreek?
how has that worked out?
Is that really an apples-to-apples comparison?
there arent really any apples-to-apples comparisons when it comes to multiple time pro bowlers at premium positions at age 25.
the dolphins also traded for bradley chubb, though also not apples/apples because that was in-season and for a 1st rd pick.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
Based on cap increase the comparable contract for TJ Watt today would be roughly $39MM per year. So there is that.
Yep. Burns would make Thibs a better player, and Dex makes everyone better. Throw in Okereke and Banks and you have a nice foundation. Maybe they’ll surprise us and keep McKinney too.
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
I just mentioned, but the cap in 2021 was 182 million then....its 255 million now. And that matters.
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If we could honestly say the Giants were one elite EDGE guy away from winning it all.
But that’s not our team… not by a long shot!
It’s not about “one piece from winning”. You’re getting an impact player at a premium position who is young, and if the contract is agreed to, becomes part of the core for 4-5+ years - if not more. It’s a building block.
Exactly. And keep in mind with the sack total, he's played
A LOT of snaps with Carolina trailing which means less pass rush opportunities. Not that would change immediately here, just saying on a winning team I think those numbers can increase.
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
Nobody disputes that Burns is a terrific player. But this type of trade should only be made by a team that is one or two players away from being a legitimate SB contender. That isn't the Giants. They should rebuild the team through the draft, and by signing players that don't count against the comp pick formula and off the practice squads of other teams.
Ojulari was another bad pick by DG. He slipped in the draft because of a preexisting injury history. He should be traded for whatever we can get for him, including a seventh.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
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way. That reeks of desperation from Schoen. Find someone in the draft with that pick, who will be much cheaper. Stop trading picks for players, especially those as expensive as Burns. That and constantly trading up are a failed way to build a team. It's also tantamount to admitting that you and your scouts suck at drafting, which means you should be fired.
the amount of players in the entirety of the last 2 nfl drafts as good as burns is 1 player - aidan hutchinson who went 2nd overall.
how is it reasonable to expect to find a player like that in round 2?
in round 2 a good pick is an ojulari type. how has that gone?
AcidTest LOVES, and I mean LOVES draft picks. He’s on every thread that involves potentially trading picks expressing his dismay at the thought
That's true, I do. I think bad teams should rebuild primarily through the draft, not be trading picks for players, unless it's a sixth or a seventh. (I was fine trading a seventh for Simmons.)
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Granted, that was 3 years ago but TJ Watt is a DPOY level player. I dont see that in Burns.
It would be north for $25M/year for sure, but I would hope less than $30M.
So you would pay him north of $25M but not the $28M TJ Watt got? So for $1M-$3M you would risk losing an elite pass rusher? Doesn’t seem wise.
Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
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Not about what Panthers would want as much as what Burns would want.
Was some buzz at Combine about whether Giants would look to add an Edge player via trade. Not the first time I’ve heard his name.
A caveat: Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan are close, too. So not outrageous. Expensive
Some have been excited over Bryce Huff and he's a fine player, but he's been situational and is awful against the run.
Burns is one of the best all around ends in the league. I'm very curious what the compensation is rumored to be.
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In comment 16422420 Capt. Don said:
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Try reading my post out loud and slowly.
“It would FOR SURE be north of $25M but I hope it’s less than $30M”
Just brilliant. Pinching pennies on a $100M+ deal is how you lose out on your target but ok that xtra $3M a year is soooo important
$30M - $25M = $5M...where did you get $3M?
And I said, "I hope." I didn't say that was a deal breaker. Calm yourself.
DEAN!!! How are you?
Burns is one of the best all around ends in the game.
This. There’s a window to build one of the most dominant front 7’s in the league. Dex, KT, Okereke, Burns. By the time KT gets paid, the Burns contract will either look outstanding - or be easy (or easier) to shed.
Great example - look at the Dex contract. Already looks great, especially with the jump in cap. He’s making less than Madabuike - a guy he’s much better than IMO.
Use your cap space.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
Chiefs won the Super Bowl because of Chris Jones and then Mahomes this year.
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Hard, hard pass.
If it was 4 years they could backload the contract for when DJ is off the books and still sign Onwenu and Autry potentially. Then use future first and 2nd to trade up if they really want Maye or maybe if they do this it's a sign they like McCarthy and have intel they can get him with slight trade up to 5?
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.