Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
Tied for 10th in pass rush win rate last season. He was also playing banged up on an awful defense & team that fired their HC mid-season. There's also this:
“Dealing with what I was dealing with in camp I was terrified to get hurt.” Did he ever find himself feeling like he was playing not to get hurt?
“I don’t wanna say that, but in the back of my head. probably sometimes.
Being transparent, I wouldn’t say it’s nothing I’m proud of but it’s human nature.” Adds his effort never waned.
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And it tells us a few things.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
As others mentioned before, they may also know the only way they could get into the top 3 is using next year's first.
I think the edge player opposite Thibs is the biggest need on the defense. Thibs gets more attention than he deserves simply because offenses don’t have to worry at all about the Jihad Wards and Boogie Bashams. Obviously Ojulari is rarely out there or effective. Burns is a stronger number two threat behind Dex, and Thibs can take advantage of that.
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In comment 16422505 Chris684 said:
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And it tells us a few things.
We’re not targeting edge in round 1, obviously.
We don’t feel like we need 47 as a trade chip.
Burns is a stud.
I feel like if they made a trade like this it would mean they like McCarthy and don't plan on trading their other 2nd to get him at 5. They would have to have intel qbs are going 1-2-3 mHJ to AZ and they are fine with either DM or JJM at 5 with a preliminary trade in place for a future 3rd and 5th or something like that.
As others mentioned before, they may also know the only way they could get into the top 3 is using next year's first.
They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
Yes and if they know they are getting a qb in rd1 then they can plan ahead and backload contracts to hit the books after DJ is gone.
They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
They have two seconds. If they traded one for Burns they'd still have a 2nd and next year's first to use to move up. Plenty of capital.
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
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Brian Burns said all the injuries on the defensive side early in the season impacted him, especially after his contract talks stalled.
“Dealing with what I was dealing with in camp I was terrified to get hurt.” Did he ever find himself feeling like he was playing not to get hurt?
“I don’t wanna say that, but in the back of my head. probably sometimes.
Being transparent, I wouldn’t say it’s nothing I’m proud of but it’s human nature.” Adds his effort never waned.
Burns is a good player. And I agree the circumstances in Carolina were far from ideal.
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They'd have to trade their 2nd too. If they do this trade I don't think they trade up to 3. They would have to feel like they are good with either JJM or DM. Maybe after meeting with DM they decided they are good with either of them and don't need to trade up. Perhaps JJM blew them away at the combine with x's and o's and a good on field performance, then they met with DM and decided they are good with either one of them. A trade like this would be very telling.
They have two seconds. If they traded one for Burns they'd still have a 2nd and next year's first to use to move up. Plenty of capital.
You sacrifice getting a potential #1wr or potential starting o lineman. On a team with a lot of holes, I don't see Schoen doing this trade and then trading up. What do I know, but I really think this would be a sign he likes DM and JJM about equally. That would be great news for us. I would hate to trade pick 39 and a future first for DM when I and sy and others have JJM graded slightly higher than DM.
This is a good point. I'd be glad to see the Giants get back to strong defensive line play.
How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
Did you guys see Eric's response earlier in the thread...
We have lacked a dynamic rush for some time and like a stable OL....is a definite need for a winning team.
If we do trade for Burns and sign Russell...I agree with most that getting that QB in the draft could set this team up for the future with all the cap that is becoming available.
It could energize this fanbase deeply in need of energizing.
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
Not playing DJ to avoid the extra 25 million with Russ playing and both of them tutoring a rookie would be a stellar plan. I agree if they do this they aren't trading up to 3 though. I really think this would tell us they are fine with DM or JJM and don't need to trade up to 3. That would be ideal for us, obviously only if the qb we get pans out. I agree though, if they make this trade I don't see them trading up to 3. They will need that pick 39, a lot of great players will be there at positions of need (WR would be best imo, Franklin Mitchell or Leggette).
If they don't do either of the above I would still be surprised if they traded up.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
As I said earlier in the thread, the only hurdle is the contract. Believe what you want.
I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
No. Eric flat out said don't dismiss this.
If the Giants are willing to move up a draft pick you can bet your ass that they know exactly what they would need to move up.
Make it so Joe!
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In comment 16422509 Eric from BBI said:
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
No. Eric flat out said don't dismiss this.
Oh I missed that one, much more exciting now. It would be an outstanding trade if they believe in DM or JJM and don't plan on trading up to 3. I wouldn't like it so much if they traded our other 2nd and future 1st to trade up to 3. The WRs and OL are just too deep in this draft to trade both 2s.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
Yes. It should.
Some would prefer paying Safeties high money or wide receivers big money in free agency, but those are mistakes. And I feel Joe Schoen agrees with that. Draft receivers and draft low or mid caliber positions.
Trading and paying for Burns doesn't stop them from getting a QB early this upcoming Draft.
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In comment 16422389 DCPollaro said:
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How long does one have to be on BBI to know this is the first thing you do when you see a crazy rumor.
This thread shouldn't have 3 pages
As I said earlier in the thread, the only hurdle is the contract. Believe what you want.
Another point, if we make this trade I think it spells DJ is done here. Otherwise the cap wiggling would be ugly. It would only work well if they can sign him to 4 years for 110-120m and backload the contract to hit in years 3 and 4 with a rookie qb contract on the books imo
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In comment 16422568 ajr2456 said:
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Some would prefer paying Safeties high money or wide receivers big money in free agency, but those are mistakes. And I feel Joe Schoen agrees with that. Draft receivers and draft low or mid caliber positions.
Trading and paying for Burns doesn't stop them from getting a QB early this upcoming Draft.
It doesn't, it actually points toward them doing that and planning to have a rookie qb Contract on the books. I do think it would be a sign they aren't trading up to 3 though. We have too many holes to trade pick 47 for Burns and a future first plus pick 39 to the Pats.
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In comment 16422509 Eric from BBI said:
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Oh gotcha, I knew I was missing some kind of reference there 😅
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In comment 16422591 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16422509 Eric from BBI said:
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I imagine this means Eric thinks this guy is trolling 🧌
His line is “I have spoken.” Prob referencing his own post saying “I wouldn’t dismiss this”
Oh gotcha, I knew I was missing some kind of reference there 😅
If the Giants stink again next year, invest those saved hours from Sunday on catching up on the Mandalorian! This is the way.
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In comment 16422571 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16422568 ajr2456 said:
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
This is a deep draft. SD might want the third this year. We'd also be trading up for a QB and might possibly be competing with a team trying to "leapfrog" us for the last of the "big four" QBs.
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intention of moving up in the draft for a QB.
that’s how it looks
How so?
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
You don't have to trade for him. He's free. Plus he will cost the vet minimum.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
He's a freevafent,likely on a vet min deal
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In comment 16422568 ajr2456 said:
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
Trading for Russell Wilson would be an unmitigated disaster.
He's a freevafent,likely on a vet min deal
Free agent. Whoops
As many of us (including Tiki Barber) said yesterday, the fact that they met with Wilson means Jones is toast.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.