Have a very good and reputable source that Giants are talking to the Panthers about trading for Brian Burns in exchange for the 47th pick. Burns is looking for $30m annually over 4 years with $90+ guaranteed. Giants have the best offer right now, but Panthers are dragging their feet. Burns is tagged right now but looking to be traded
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In comment 16422530 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
#54 Brian Burns (DE, Panthers) | Top 100 Players of 2023 - ( New Window )
But the cap keeps going up, significantly over the next 2 years.
It's a premium position. That's where you want to spend your $$$. Not S and RB.
bend and explosion are top tier. has the knack for forced fumble. talent wise he is on the level we havent seen since osi/jpp.
put him on the other side of thibs and you have maybe the best edge rushing duo in nfl. if ojulari also stays healthy somehow and with dex collapsing the interior, wow look out. that is a potentially elite front.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
As many of us (including Tiki Barber) said yesterday, the fact that they met with Wilson means Jones is toast.
lol. Eric out here breaking hearts
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Thomas talks about Burns in this clip #54 Brian Burns (DE, Panthers) | Top 100 Players of 2023 - ( New Window )
bend and explosion are top tier. has the knack for forced fumble. talent wise he is on the level we havent seen since osi/jpp.
put him on the other side of thibs and you have maybe the best edge rushing duo in nfl. if ojulari also stays healthy somehow and with dex collapsing the interior, wow look out. that is a potentially elite front.
This. It almost makes too much sense.
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
I think he was agreeing with me, lol
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In comment 16422645 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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not Leonard Williams.
FWIW, PFF ranked him the 37th for the Edge spot in 2023.
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
How bad has CAR been the last couple seasons too. How many 4th qtr pass rushing opportunities has this guy had?
Some of you floor me. You can't possibly look at Carolina and ask what impact Burns had by their record. This team, under Tepper's ownership, is a rudderless disaster akin to Snyders Washington teams..
Burns is a legit player and gives Thibs a huge help if we got him.
I think he was agreeing with me, lol
I was agreeing with you. I think there is more untapped big years ahead of him. I think his sacks numbers are lower because his team stinks. On a good team that takes leads into the 4th he could have some massive seasons IMO.
How in the world did he think I was complaining about Burns with that post?
Add in a left tackle. A lot of fans overcomplicate things. Get a QB and the team will compete fast. QB is the toughest thing to hit though.
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Having to potential elite edge rushers in their prime locked in for the next four years gives them opportunity to compete for something more than winning the wild card round
Add in a left tackle. A lot of fans overcomplicate things. Get a QB and the team will compete fast. QB is the toughest thing to hit though.
Yup, it would be great to land one of the top WRs in round 2 but the college game produces and handful of really good to great WRs each year. But also don’t think our WRs are as bad as they’re made out to be here.
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
And who knows maybe next offseason there’s an AJ Brown to the Eagles type trade available to make.
People get frustrated with guys who get hurt and I get that but it would be hard to find more upside than a guy with his ability in a contract year and only costing 2m against the cap.
I’d bet a team would trade a 3rd or 4th for him. Keeping him and hoping to recoup that with a comp pick if he leaves next year is the way I’d go. He is a lot more talented than most teams 3rd rusher (assuming they add an upgrade at edge).
We're talking about a 25 year old two-way edge who's posted 8, 12.5, 9, 9 sacks a year the last 4 years. Two time pro bowl player. Consistently high-level, healthy player who hasn't even reached his prime yet.
He's a building block. That's why Carolina franchise tagged him.
Carolina has a first time GM - Dan Morgan - and an owner who thinks he's Bill Polian. I'm not ready to take anything they do seriously yet.
Burns is a good player. I just don't see an elite player for the money being tossed around.
Now, if we made a move for Hunter, which certainly has risk, I could buy that more because he's elite and has cleared a nice path to Canton.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
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QB - someone good
LT - Andrew Thomas
ER - Thibs & Burns
NT - Dexter Lawrence
3-down MIKE - Bobby Okereke
CB1 - Tae Banks
That's a solid core, with investments in the proper place. Fill out from there.
And who knows maybe next offseason there’s an AJ Brown to the Eagles type trade available to make.
Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
While I do have concerns with the cost of Burns, I'm excited about a potential identity.
--Build a pass rush
--Draft the future QB
Hopefully they can sign a guard for the OL and you can see this team look much more competitive pretty quickly.
their draft picks are #33, #65, #100.
that does not create a lot of options as free agency opens to improve their roster - which needs pretty much everything.
trading Burns for the best pick/picks they can get creates another 24m of cap room. the extra cap room could fill 3 or 4 needs plus whatever they do with the pick (s) beyond that.
trading him before monday seems like the right move. id be a little surprised if pick #47 is best they can get but no complaints if it gets him to ny.
This would be a good get but the price can’t be 30 mil per… it has to be less and that is because we will need to pay him less this year to leave cap room meaning higher price for later years would be crazy at 30 mil per year.
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
if the worst happens and he gets hurt and signs for peanuts, i have no issue being the team that signs a 24 year old edge rusher with ability for peanuts. that seems pretty low risk to me. whoever you draft in the 4th round could get hurt too.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
I would absolutely take a fourth for Ojulari.
I can't see counting on him to have a season that would get anyone to give him a $10M+ contract next year.
You have to assume that any comp pick we would otherwise get for him if he leaves would be cancelled out by our FA signings.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
I would absolutely take a fourth for Ojulari.
I can't see counting on him to have a season that would get anyone to give him a $10M+ contract next year.
You have to assume that any comp pick we would otherwise get for him if he leaves would be cancelled out by our FA signings.
even if you could get a 4th for him this is a thin draft. you are likely getting a prospect on the level of belton/davidson/bellinger/beavers/mckethan.
i also disagree about the need to assume comp picks get cancelled out. if they add burns via trade, resign 1 of their FAs, and then sign players who got cut as opposed to UFAs (like williams or russ) they may get comp picks this year even spending a lot. manipulating the comp pick system gets more easily doable every year it seems.
Cutting Ojulari makes zero sense. I get that his injury history is frustrating, but he’s cheap, and a good player when healthy. Bringing him back in 2025 is another story.
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But a Burns trade also could be that they know the price to get to 3 and it’s only one of the seconds
One of the 2nds and future first maybe. I don't see them trading that pick 39 with so many great wr prospects that will be on the board there. I really believe if they do this trade its a sign they aren't trading up to 3 and they are fine with JJM or DM without a big trade up.
I agree with this. Trading #47 for Burns makes it less likely they'll trade up to #3. The cost to do so would be at least #39 and next year's #1, which seems prohibitively expensive. Trading up to #5 with SD though would still be possible if the cost was just #70.
Eagles traded up one spot in the top 10 for a future 4th last year, I think a future 3rd and 5th would do the trick. We will need that 3rd this year for one of RB DL CB OL WR
This is a deep draft. SD might want the third this year. We'd also be trading up for a QB and might possibly be competing with a team trying to "leapfrog" us for the last of the "big four" QBs.
I don't think the Chargers have any interest on missing out on their guy whether it's Odunze, Bowers or Alt or someone else. They will only want to trace with us imo. Future 3rd and 5th will do it I think
Unless you're Dave Gettleman who thinks his DCs can scheme it up without the talent.
Get Burns and sign Autry to a 1 year deal for DE spot. Then sign Onwenu to 4 or 5 years with both Burns and Onwenu's money stacked at the back end after DJ is off books and we have rookie qb contract. Sign a guy like Murphy Bunting or Darious Williams. Take QB rd 1 wr rd 2 then bpa focused on CB OL DL RB the rest of the way.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Burns is also top notch quality. Reliable and in his prime. This would be a KMac-Plax-Rolle type FA acquisition.
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don't want to cut Ojulari. I want to trade him. But if we can't trade him, then yes, he can come to camp, and we hope he can finally stay healthy and contribute on a regular basis during what will likely be his last season with the Giants. But that's the problem. He can't stay healthy. I don't blame players for getting injured, but at some point you have to move on.
in a trade i doubt you are getting much for him right now. probably a 4th at best.
if he stays and has a good enough year to get a 10m+ contract next year he can bring back a 4th as a comp pick.
Or he gets hurt again and signs for peanuts next year on a prove it, one year deal. Trade him now and just recoup some value, whatever it is. I would gladly take a 4th for him
if the worst happens and he gets hurt and signs for peanuts, i have no issue being the team that signs a 24 year old edge rusher with ability for peanuts. that seems pretty low risk to me. whoever you draft in the 4th round could get hurt too.
Agree to disagree. Best ability is availability. He's young and oft injured, I'm not expecting that to get better in a sport like football.
He makes more sense for a contender who needs a good 3rd ER
The only guys from the past few years really getting paid are Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. And Jones is really only this year.
The money has to go somewhere.
Agreed, besides for a guy like Onwenu the likes of which rarely ever hits FA (an ol on upward trajectory not yet in his prime) I'd pay whatever it takes go get him.
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At 47 you get a very good player low cap number controlled for 4 years. You don't trade that pick for a high priced player. Horrible idea.
At 47 you might get that guy. The draft is a crapshoot.
The odds of getting a guy anywhere near Burns' level for pick 47 are very, very low.
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
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Could knock out WR1 this off-season…rather than taking an iffy QB
That’s what the sixth pick is likely gonna come down to. Do you like a guy like McCarthy enough to pass on a #1 WR? Tough call.
They might not get a unquestioned #1 WR- but they can likely get a very good #2 with upside in the 2nd round- WR is one of the deep positions this year.
There are several big fast guys that have the potential to be #1s: Adonai Mitchell, Troy Franklin and Xavier Leggette each fit the bill and would be excellent alternatives to Odunze. If he even makes it to our pick.