Great to know. I was always impressed with how high energy was on the sidelines and in between plays. And not to the point where it was obnoxious. I think him and 58( I'm doing speech to text... I'm not going to try and say his name),and 5 are going to make a really fun linebacking corps for your years
when miami added tyreek who thought that would catapult them as a team the way it did?
SF took their initial big leap forward as a team when they drafted bosa. armstead and buckner and all the other guys they had all of sudden looked a lot better.
burns, thibs, lawrence, okereke, banks is a legitimate core on defense to build from - all signed for 3 more years or more.
more work to do on the OL but the cap is not an issue even after burns and there are a lot of solid depth players still out there who are going to end up with reasonable 1-2 year deals.
Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
RE: RE: I’ve known Burns and his brother since his FSU days
Great to know. I was always impressed with how high energy was on the sidelines and in between plays. And not to the point where it was obnoxious. I think him and 58( I'm doing speech to text... I'm not going to try and say his name),and 5 are going to make a really fun linebacking corps for your years
That’s a really good point and something I recalled when I first heard of the news today. Burns brings energy on every play. I didn’t follow Carolina closely and I don’t know if he was the heart and soul of the defense but it sure looked that way each time I saw him. A high effort, vocal leader type and not in an obnoxious way (at least not on the field). Great talent and a smart locker room add.
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
Agreed
I like how Schoen etc have structured contracts.
It seems much more sustainable rather than a quick/ short term fix.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
Agreed
I like how Schoen etc have structured contracts.
It seems much more sustainable rather than a quick/ short term fix.
this is really his first truly flat out - sign that maybe they see the error of some of what they did last year. jones' low year 1 cap# was a lot more aggressive than i expected last year.
even though what we gave up is a concern, it's going to be fun to see what these guys are going to do. Brian Burns is one of the funnest pass rushers to watch. Dude is nasty. Burns, Thibs, Dex, Ojulari, Simmons, and Okereke?? Speed.. Bringing back the old days where you can't have enough pass rushers feels good. Now fix the Oline. Spidey - ( New Window )
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
The new defensive coordinator doesn't blitz much, so he has to get a
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
He's a young proven player at a premium position. The chances are very high you aren't getting a player at Burns level in the 2nd round of the draft. You have to start somewhere, the Giants are in the process of finally building an identity. Next on the list is QB.
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
He's a young proven player at a premium position. The chances are very high you aren't getting a player at Burns level in the 2nd round of the draft. You have to start somewhere, the Giants are in the process of finally building an identity. Next on the list is QB.
i understand the move. i'm just saying....
if we run it back with DJ and company, we're definetely going to have a terrible record.
if we draft a QB and sit him a year, we are looking at having a losing record this upcoming year and next.
we should be "decent" heading into the 2026 season, but who knows.
so the weird part is just...what's the point in having the 2nd highest paid DE in history on your team for the next 3 years when there's likely not going to be a good return on investment (team wise)
yes, he'll have double digit sacks this year and next. but we'll probably have double digit losses as well
so the weird part is just...what's the point in having the 2nd highest paid DE in history on your team for the next 3 years when there's likely not going to be a good return on investment (team wise)
yes, he'll have double digit sacks this year and next. but we'll probably have double digit losses as well
I agree that it is a slight overpay for Burns compared to other top edge rushers in the NFL, but the cost to acquire him was quite low relative to what other teams have given up in draft capital to acquire similar pass rushers.
Edge is a premium position where teams either have to use a 1st round pick to get the most talented players or give up draft assets to pay the player a large extension. I think Schoen should be given credit for reducing the draft capital needed to get Burns, but only time will tell if he lives up to the contract value. Regardless the money spent on Edge is likely better long term value in terms of total wins than money spent on RB or Safety. If Giants want to go to the SB, then they need to start building the OL and DL at some point. What better time than now?
Dak has been very good during the regular season but elite QB's get it done in the playoffs. I give him a lot of credit for he developed. 4th round steal.
Dallas did a great job supporting him when he came into the league with a top OL/running game. Giants would be well served following the same approach if they draft a QB.
even though what we gave up is a concern, it's going to be fun to see what these guys are going to do. Brian Burns is one of the funnest pass rushers to watch. Dude is nasty. Burns, Thibs, Dex, Ojulari, Simmons, and Okereke?? Speed.. Bringing back the old days where you can't have enough pass rushers feels good. Now fix the Oline. Spidey - ( New Window )
Ojulari is hurt all the time..Burns is probably going to replace him
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
Building thru the draft is fine, but I don't see the issue with investing in a player that's 25 years old with proven production. He's the same age as Dexter Lawrence. Should they not has paid Dexter? You know he can play at a high level. Building thru the draft is great. They did that. They ended up with Thibs and Ojulari. Two picks that were applauded at the time but also aren't enough to make a defense good.
So what? Daniels is a rookie and may or may not be in DC. Hurts fell on his face last year. Dak is Dak, nothing new.
point was....
i don't see how adding Burns (and making him the 2nd highest paid DE in NFL history) helps us in the next 3-4 years
to me, this feels similar to us trading for Leonard Williams, then giving him a new deal. all while being a terrible team overall
Well for 1, Burns is better than Williams was at the time. Nobody was trading for Williams except Gettleman, meanwhile Carolina had a monster offer from one of the smarter FO's in the league for Burns. Second, acquiring Williams in a vacuum wasn't the issue at all. Actually it wound up being a good move. It was the rest of the roster building that left the Giants in the hole they're in.
In the NFL, you need impact talent at premium positions
The Giants should only acquire talent when they're good? I'd get the argument that they're not ready if Burns were 30, maybe even 28. He's 25. If the Giants rebuild the right way he might be 27 by the time they're a playoff team. This "not one X away" cliche is so old and ridiculous. Teams can't acquire talent because they're not perfect. Once again, I'd get it if he were 30. But this bellyaching about acquiring Burns at 25 because the team is rebuilding is crazy. Leonard Williams never got a good team around him. But that's on management for not getting him a good team. If Burns doesn't get a good team around him in the time frame Williams didn't then there are far bigger problems. Wasn't Williams on the 2016 AND 2022 teams? He was on two playoff teams.
Actually, I don't think Williams was on the 2016 team
lets a guy like Burns get a way for that price. Shit I was cranky when the Giants traded Leonard Williams away for a SECOND rounder, nearly the same price we paid for Burns. I understood the trade don't get me wrong, but was bummed to see a good player walk. I got it, would have done it again even without the Burns trade, but I had to process it first. If the Giants traded away a guy like Burns I would have been pissed off. The fact they dealt him for a 2nd and whatever else? I would have lost my mind. Those guys are worth so much more, big contract or not. He's our now so fuck stupid Carolina.
I wish we could draft a good nasty middle LB in round 2 and get that kid ready for NFL action right away, year one. This D is not far away assuming we can fill McK's spot adequately.
I guess I should wait and see how this DC treats the LB position
we may not need another LB as much, plus we do have the 3rd year kid (McFadden) who showed he can play even if he gets washed sometimes. I can't believe we have 3 legit stud talents at LB. With one big move the D, holes and all, turned into a very interesting unit.
RE: A lot of mind numbing stupidity in this thread
The Giants should only acquire talent when they're good?
that's not what anyone on here is saying.
i'm just saying that we went out and bought a ferrari....and parked it at our trailer park beside our ford escorts and VW beetles (damn i'm old)
I have been beating this drum for years now, this isn't some new ideal from me. I have long said The Giants will take this division back by building a real fucking defense again. We all know the offense's shortcomings and needs, but the D is just as important. The east with Philly and Dallas is loaded on offense. Good QBs and great skill players. OLS that can block. Back to those QBs, yes they are good, yes they kill us usually, but they aren't great. Those guys can be had. Good defenses can and will fuck them up. Even the best QBs ever can't beat the elite defenses with regularity. We just saw it this past year. We will see it again. You want to beat Dak and Dallas? Knock Dak's dick in the dirt and you will beat Dallas again. HE's good, but Dak will crumble if you pressure and confuse him. Same with Hurts.
We take this division back building a real defense with staying power. We haven't built one with any legs since the mid to late 2000s into 2011. Schoen gets it. And I am quite relieved to know this. Since he's been here he's devoted ample attention to the D, finally. Keep going.
Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
That's a lot of guaranteed money, but it's a good move for what they gave up. They still have a second round pick this year, via the Williams trade last year. TBH, I didn't see this one coming. From reports, the Rams had offered the Panthers two first round picks earlier in this process, and the Panthers said no? That's not smart, if you don't keep the player.
Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
That's a lot of guaranteed money, but it's a good move for what they gave up. They still have a second round pick this year, via the Williams trade last year. TBH, I didn't see this one coming. From reports, the Rams had offered the Panthers two first round picks earlier in this process, and the Panthers said no? That's not smart, if you don't keep the player.
That offer was supposedly last offseason.
the 2 FRP offer was in October 2022 by LAR but they had no 2023 FRP
bc of the stafford trade so they were likely offering their 2024 and 2025 FRPs. Carolina should have still taken it, but they wouldnt have had burns for 1.5 years and still wouldn't have returned any compensation yet.
they'd probably have pick #19 instead of pick #39, plus the rams first in 2025.
I don't think we are a 30 million dollar a year player away from competing but whatever. He is a damn good player and I hope he can continue to improve
I don't agree w/ the mentality of "we're not an X player away.."
You have to add talent when the opportunity is there and a lot of times, you don't even know when you're "X player away".
Were we a high priced WR away from a SB in 2005 when we signed Plax? No, but he sure as heck helped us win it in '07.
The second-round pick is a quality asset, but it’s worth the price for a pass rusher who figures to remain on an upward trajectory for a few more years.
that their owner is a weirdo. In fact the league must be concerned about the ownership of some of these teams . The Titans and Seahawks also come to mind . The contract is good . The trade compensation is a joke . Nice job by Schoen.
I couldn't help to think since this happened, that this is a steal for the Giants in terms of comp. a 2nd? For a premier Edge...
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
Building thru the draft is fine, but I don't see the issue with investing in a player that's 25 years old with proven production. He's the same age as Dexter Lawrence. Should they not has paid Dexter? You know he can play at a high level. Building thru the draft is great. They did that. They ended up with Thibs and Ojulari. Two picks that were applauded at the time but also aren't enough to make a defense good.
That is kind of a good point... Would you trade a 2nd and a 5th to add another Dexter? I would... take pick 47 now and give me another 25 year old Lawrence.
even though what we gave up is a concern, it's going to be fun to see what these guys are going to do. Brian Burns is one of the funnest pass rushers to watch. Dude is nasty. Burns, Thibs, Dex, Ojulari, Simmons, and Okereke?? Speed.. Bringing back the old days where you can't have enough pass rushers feels good. Now fix the Oline. Spidey - ( New Window )
One aspect of this signing that I don't think has gotten much attention is how Burns can help someone like Neal in practice. There are not many players in the league with his kind of "get off", let alone on the Giants. Practicing against this type of speed rusher should help our tackles get a lot better against speed rushers.
Not sure if this was pointed out in previous threads -
Great to know. I was always impressed with how high energy was on the sidelines and in between plays. And not to the point where it was obnoxious. I think him and 58( I'm doing speech to text... I'm not going to try and say his name),and 5 are going to make a really fun linebacking corps for your years
SF took their initial big leap forward as a team when they drafted bosa. armstead and buckner and all the other guys they had all of sudden looked a lot better.
burns, thibs, lawrence, okereke, banks is a legitimate core on defense to build from - all signed for 3 more years or more.
more work to do on the OL but the cap is not an issue even after burns and there are a lot of solid depth players still out there who are going to end up with reasonable 1-2 year deals.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Cap hits by year:
2024: $23.3m
2025: $27.75m
2026: $28.75
2027: $30.5m
2028: $30.5
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Cap hits by year:
2024: $23.3m
2025: $27.75m
2026: $28.75
2027: $30.5m
2028: $30.5
$23.5m cap number in 2024
apologies for typo
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Cap hits by year:
2024: $23.3m
2025: $27.75m
2026: $28.75
2027: $30.5m
2028: $30.5
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
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just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
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Great to know. I was always impressed with how high energy was on the sidelines and in between plays. And not to the point where it was obnoxious. I think him and 58( I'm doing speech to text... I'm not going to try and say his name),and 5 are going to make a really fun linebacking corps for your years
That’s a really good point and something I recalled when I first heard of the news today. Burns brings energy on every play. I didn’t follow Carolina closely and I don’t know if he was the heart and soul of the defense but it sure looked that way each time I saw him. A high effort, vocal leader type and not in an obnoxious way (at least not on the field). Great talent and a smart locker room add.
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just guessed this completely wrong in a different thread. this is very different than schoen's big contracts last year and in a good way. this is what you would call a pay as you go contract, which imo is usually the best way to structure deals when you can to avoid balloon years.
makes it less likely we see any more big moves this offseason but i think thats the right call, there's nothing big left out there. they can move money around for the right depth signings and the areas where they need depth there's a lot of supply (s, rb, og, cb).
I expect that Eluemunor, Runyon etc won't have huge cap hits in 2024.
We can still restructure/extend Thomas, Lawrence, Okereke, Slayton, Jones (hopefully not) and even Burns if we need extra cap space this year.
Pluse we will find out what is the plan with Waller.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
Agreed
I like how Schoen etc have structured contracts.
It seems much more sustainable rather than a quick/ short term fix.
im not worried about the cap they have plenty of room - structuring this deal the way they did is the opposite of desperation.
just surprised because its the first time this regime has structured a deal this way.
Agreed
I like how Schoen etc have structured contracts.
It seems much more sustainable rather than a quick/ short term fix.
this is really his first truly flat out - sign that maybe they see the error of some of what they did last year. jones' low year 1 cap# was a lot more aggressive than i expected last year.
Spidey - ( New Window )
I'm glad we're "getting better"
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
It's like only looking at a running backs season yardage instead of YPC, which is a more telling stat.
Carolina was a dumpster fire. They were blown out in the second half of games and teams just ran the ball.
Burns actual efficiency numbers are excellent.
I'm glad we're "getting better"
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
He's a young proven player at a premium position. The chances are very high you aren't getting a player at Burns level in the 2nd round of the draft. You have to start somewhere, the Giants are in the process of finally building an identity. Next on the list is QB.
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This signing just seems weird to me.
I'm glad we're "getting better"
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
He's a young proven player at a premium position. The chances are very high you aren't getting a player at Burns level in the 2nd round of the draft. You have to start somewhere, the Giants are in the process of finally building an identity. Next on the list is QB.
i understand the move. i'm just saying....
if we run it back with DJ and company, we're definetely going to have a terrible record.
if we draft a QB and sit him a year, we are looking at having a losing record this upcoming year and next.
we should be "decent" heading into the 2026 season, but who knows.
so the weird part is just...what's the point in having the 2nd highest paid DE in history on your team for the next 3 years when there's likely not going to be a good return on investment (team wise)
yes, he'll have double digit sacks this year and next. but we'll probably have double digit losses as well
No elite QB's in the NFCE. Control the defensive front and you are in great shape.
so the weird part is just...what's the point in having the 2nd highest paid DE in history on your team for the next 3 years when there's likely not going to be a good return on investment (team wise)
yes, he'll have double digit sacks this year and next. but we'll probably have double digit losses as well
I agree that it is a slight overpay for Burns compared to other top edge rushers in the NFL, but the cost to acquire him was quite low relative to what other teams have given up in draft capital to acquire similar pass rushers.
Edge is a premium position where teams either have to use a 1st round pick to get the most talented players or give up draft assets to pay the player a large extension. I think Schoen should be given credit for reducing the draft capital needed to get Burns, but only time will tell if he lives up to the contract value. Regardless the money spent on Edge is likely better long term value in terms of total wins than money spent on RB or Safety. If Giants want to go to the SB, then they need to start building the OL and DL at some point. What better time than now?
No elite QB's in the NFCE. Control the defensive front and you are in great shape.
Dak is elite, don't fool yourself
Hurts is dangerous
And Daniels (who alot of us want) will be a problem)
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Stood out the few times I have seen the Panthers play. Young player with plenty of upside.
No elite QB's in the NFCE. Control the defensive front and you are in great shape.
Dak is elite, don't fool yourself
Hurts is dangerous
And Daniels (who alot of us want) will be a problem)
Dak is a good to maybe VG QB. He is not elite. Guy cannot win in the playoffs with all the weapons he has.
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Stood out the few times I have seen the Panthers play. Young player with plenty of upside.
No elite QB's in the NFCE. Control the defensive front and you are in great shape.
Dak is elite, don't fool yourself
Hurts is dangerous
And Daniels (who alot of us want) will be a problem)
Dak is a good to maybe VG QB. He is not elite. Guy cannot win in the playoffs with all the weapons he has.
Regular season Dak is high level, imo
We're not making the playoffs so we won't get to face "playoff Dak"
Dallas did a great job supporting him when he came into the league with a top OL/running game. Giants would be well served following the same approach if they draft a QB.
based on that theory (that elite QBs get it done in the playoffs)
Jalen Hurts is kinda elite (took his team to the superbowl/got it done in the playoffs)
Anyway, maybe elite is a strong term for Dak.
But facing reg.season Dak, Hurts and Daniels is still gonna be a problem this year.
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but elite QB's get it done in the playoffs.
based on that theory (that elite QBs get it done in the playoffs)
Jalen Hurts is kinda elite (took his team to the superbowl/got it done in the playoffs)
Anyway, maybe elite is a strong term for Dak.
But facing reg.season Dak, Hurts and Daniels is still gonna be a problem this year.
So what? Daniels is a rookie and may or may not be in DC. Hurts fell on his face last year. Dak is Dak, nothing new.
So what? Daniels is a rookie and may or may not be in DC. Hurts fell on his face last year. Dak is Dak, nothing new.
point was....
i don't see how adding Burns (and making him the 2nd highest paid DE in NFL history) helps us in the next 3-4 years
to me, this feels similar to us trading for Leonard Williams, then giving him a new deal. all while being a terrible team overall
Ojulari is hurt all the time..Burns is probably going to replace him
Giants drop from 4th to 14th in Tankathon's Draft Power Rankings.
I'm glad we're "getting better"
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
Building thru the draft is fine, but I don't see the issue with investing in a player that's 25 years old with proven production. He's the same age as Dexter Lawrence. Should they not has paid Dexter? You know he can play at a high level. Building thru the draft is great. They did that. They ended up with Thibs and Ojulari. Two picks that were applauded at the time but also aren't enough to make a defense good.
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So what? Daniels is a rookie and may or may not be in DC. Hurts fell on his face last year. Dak is Dak, nothing new.
point was....
i don't see how adding Burns (and making him the 2nd highest paid DE in NFL history) helps us in the next 3-4 years
to me, this feels similar to us trading for Leonard Williams, then giving him a new deal. all while being a terrible team overall
Well for 1, Burns is better than Williams was at the time. Nobody was trading for Williams except Gettleman, meanwhile Carolina had a monster offer from one of the smarter FO's in the league for Burns. Second, acquiring Williams in a vacuum wasn't the issue at all. Actually it wound up being a good move. It was the rest of the roster building that left the Giants in the hole they're in.
Now, get the QB and WR. Find CB #2, FS, and add DL depth.
I wish we could draft a good nasty middle LB in round 2 and get that kid ready for NFL action right away, year one. This D is not far away assuming we can fill McK's spot adequately.
that's not what anyone on here is saying.
i'm just saying that we went out and bought a ferrari....and parked it at our trailer park beside our ford escorts and VW beetles (damn i'm old)
We take this division back building a real defense with staying power. We haven't built one with any legs since the mid to late 2000s into 2011. Schoen gets it. And I am quite relieved to know this. Since he's been here he's devoted ample attention to the D, finally. Keep going.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Cap hits by year:
2024: $23.3m
2025: $27.75m
2026: $28.75
2027: $30.5m
2028: $30.5
That's a lot of guaranteed money, but it's a good move for what they gave up. They still have a second round pick this year, via the Williams trade last year. TBH, I didn't see this one coming. From reports, the Rams had offered the Panthers two first round picks earlier in this process, and the Panthers said no? That's not smart, if you don't keep the player.
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Brian Burns full contract details: 5 years, $141m with $87.5m guaranteed.
Guarantees: $25m signing bonus, 2024 base salary ($18m), 2025 base salary ($22.5m). His base salary in 2026 is guaranteed for injury at signing; $10.75m of the 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at signing.
Cap hits by year:
2024: $23.3m
2025: $27.75m
2026: $28.75
2027: $30.5m
2028: $30.5
That's a lot of guaranteed money, but it's a good move for what they gave up. They still have a second round pick this year, via the Williams trade last year. TBH, I didn't see this one coming. From reports, the Rams had offered the Panthers two first round picks earlier in this process, and the Panthers said no? That's not smart, if you don't keep the player.
That offer was supposedly last offseason.
they'd probably have pick #19 instead of pick #39, plus the rams first in 2025.
I don't agree w/ the mentality of "we're not an X player away.."
You have to add talent when the opportunity is there and a lot of times, you don't even know when you're "X player away".
Were we a high priced WR away from a SB in 2005 when we signed Plax? No, but he sure as heck helped us win it in '07.
I couldn't help to think since this happened, that this is a steal for the Giants in terms of comp. a 2nd? For a premier Edge...
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This signing just seems weird to me.
I'm glad we're "getting better"
But, as of now, our offense is going to be so terrible that having a great defensive player is just going to seem like (and likely be) a waste. I wouldve rather just built thru the draft
Building thru the draft is fine, but I don't see the issue with investing in a player that's 25 years old with proven production. He's the same age as Dexter Lawrence. Should they not has paid Dexter? You know he can play at a high level. Building thru the draft is great. They did that. They ended up with Thibs and Ojulari. Two picks that were applauded at the time but also aren't enough to make a defense good.
That is kind of a good point... Would you trade a 2nd and a 5th to add another Dexter? I would... take pick 47 now and give me another 25 year old Lawrence.
One aspect of this signing that I don't think has gotten much attention is how Burns can help someone like Neal in practice. There are not many players in the league with his kind of "get off", let alone on the Giants. Practicing against this type of speed rusher should help our tackles get a lot better against speed rushers.
I did not read all of them. But, I forgot what year (Very recent though - 2022?). The Rams offerred the Panthers - 2 #1 picks and a #2 pick for Burns.
I think if I am doing the math right we traded Leonard Williams for Burns? We got a serious deal.