I typically don’t pay any attention to internet chatter relating to the Giants.
But tonight I have seen 3 different posters (all with prior occasional accuracy) predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.
This was followed up by another Giants fan contacting me and showing me a 4th poster predicting a similar major move and actually mentioning it involved the Giants.
For those of you that have read my posts over many years know this is NOT the type of things I speculate on.
However, minutes ago, Giant WR Jalyn Hyatt actually just posted:
“soon…..”
I will not provide the handles of the 4 internet posters and provide them any more notoriety or activity
I can’t say that there is “fire” but I must admit all this has me smelling “smoke”- enough that I thought it was worthy of mention on BBI
The only thing I can think of, is Jared Goff hetting a long term extension and maybe the Lions are open to trading for Hendon Hooker... Which I called ridiculous. The Hyatt-Hooker combo at Tenn is what I am obv going on.
If so, I would have to eat major crow for oo pooing the idea another poster raised in the last few weeks.
Or if he knew someone involved? I wonder..
The only thing I can think of, is Jared Goff hetting a long term extension and maybe the Lions are open to trading for Hendon Hooker... Which I called ridiculous. The Hyatt-Hooker combo at Tenn is what I am obv going on.
If so, I would have to eat major crow for oo pooing the idea another poster raised in the last few weeks.
That's the only thing I could think too.
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But any hint to position?
The only thing I can think of, is Jared Goff hetting a long term extension and maybe the Lions are open to trading for Hendon Hooker... Which I called ridiculous. The Hyatt-Hooker combo at Tenn is what I am obv going on.
If so, I would have to eat major crow for oo pooing the idea another poster raised in the last few weeks.
That's the only thing I could think too.
Agree with the idea that if Hyatt knew may involve Hooker. But would this really qualify as major move as op states? Idk maybe. Call me disappointed if thats what it is.
That would be nuts, but I would be surprised. OP said it involved the Giants though?
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I saw it (not bbi) but someone threw out a Minnesota/Chargers trade where Justin Jefferson + goes to LA, Herbert goes to Minny so Harbaugh can take JJM. If only life were like Madden lol
That would be nuts, but I would be surprised. OP said it involved the Giants though?
Missed that. Was going off of "predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow."
BAM 😂
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In comment 16431106 JayBinQueens said:
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I saw it (not bbi) but someone threw out a Minnesota/Chargers trade where Justin Jefferson + goes to LA, Herbert goes to Minny so Harbaugh can take JJM. If only life were like Madden lol
That would be nuts, but I would be surprised. OP said it involved the Giants though?
Missed that. Was going off of "predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow."
I wonder how the reaction is regarding this. There are rumors about Justin Fields & Giants.
He was drafted in the 3rd round (68th overall) by Detroit in the 2023 draft.
Detroit will then ask for the 6th overall. Schoen should laugh out loud.
Detroit will then ask for the Giants 2025 1st rounder. Schoen should chuckle.
Detroit will then ask for the 47th overall. Schoen will counter with a 2024 4th rounder.
Detroit will then ask for the Giants 3rd rounder. Schoen should say "Deal"!
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I saw it (not bbi) but someone threw out a Minnesota/Chargers trade where Justin Jefferson + goes to LA, Herbert goes to Minny so Harbaugh can take JJM. If only life were like Madden lol
That would be nuts, but I would be surprised. OP said it involved the Giants though?
If it's jersey related I'll be annoyed
Getting Hooker wouldn’t be an all caps ‘huge’ level deal (though maybe to Hyatt it would). I wouldn’t even say Fields would be that big either.
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But any hint to position?
The only thing I can think of, is Jared Goff hetting a long term extension and maybe the Lions are open to trading for Hendon Hooker... Which I called ridiculous. The Hyatt-Hooker combo at Tenn is what I am obv going on.
If so, I would have to eat major crow for oo pooing the idea another poster raised in the last few weeks.
That's the only thing I could think too.
Agree with the idea that if Hyatt knew may involve Hooker. But would this really qualify as major move as op states? Idk maybe. Call me disappointed if thats what it is.
He said "major announcement" which would be Goff signing like a 200 million dollar deal.... Maybe Amon Ra extrnsion as wel.
Giants side of it... They trade their 3rd (2 places from where Detroit took Hooker last year at 70 vs 68) or 4th rounder (to make up for the lost year) to Detroit for Hooker.
Hooker was drafted as insurance for Goff continuing to play well. Goff was pretty awesome last year. Lions just traded a 3rd away for Carlton Davis.
Its got a lot of stink. I would take Hooker for a 3rd even more for a 4th.
Despite all the clickbait out there JS seems to keep a lid on his real intentions.
Almost nothing would surprise me.
I would take a shot on Hooker for at most a 3rd. His injury history is troubling, but he was phenomenal his last year in Tenn.
Also, I don't think it would be a stretch to say the Giants might like Hooker better than McCarthy, Nix or Penix.
Also, I don't think it would be a stretch to say the Giants might like Hooker better than McCarthy, Nix or Penix.
Agreed on all. Hooker was a gamer, has had a full year to recover. But he is not far from Penix as far as injury concern. A 3rd or 4th with Lock backing up is a great scenario for him and we can just pick the best WR in 1st. Buys us like 3 years if we need it. If he gets hurt again, minumal investment.
Also, I don't think it would be a stretch to say the Giants might like Hooker better than McCarthy, Nix or Penix.
If we got Hooker, I wouldn't think it would eliminate the possibility of still taking a qb. We could roll with a rookie, lock and hooker after cutting dj or cut lock and roll with the same +dj..wouldn't be a bad idea with how tough it is to find good young qbs
For all I know, perhaps Hyatt’s wife/ friend is in labor….
2 things I did see posted tonight that are real:
1. Eluemunor posted he will be at the Stadium tomorrow
2. NFL reporter Aaron Wilson says the Giants are trying to sign Lions DB Chase Lucas, considered one of the leagues top ST gunners
Let's see what happen tomorrow.
For all I know, perhaps Hyatt’s wife/ friend is in labor….
2 things I did see posted tonight that are real:
1. Eluemunor posted he will be at the Stadium tomorrow
2. NFL reporter Aaron Wilson says the Giants are trying to sign Lions DB Chase Lucas, considered one of the leagues top ST gunners
Thanks either way. Although, if one of your sources said "there's going to be a huge announcement" and that "the Gisnts are involved" I don't think that computes. Lol.
I also don't think the Lions are that desperate to trade a guy they got around the same spot as last year for the same pick a year later. It would prob be something like the Giants 47, and a 4th for Hooker and the Lions 4th/5th
Either way, fun to speculate.
“Hooker Gives Penix Hard Competition At QB”
Also, I don't think it would be a stretch to say the Giants might like Hooker better than McCarthy, Nix or Penix.
I agree. NFL talent evaluators don't have the recency bias that fans do. Hooker is healed, he has a year of getting acclimated to the NFL, and he has real franchise QB upside. Big arm, prototype size, and can move. If Detroit would do a deal on him, I'd expect Daboll and Schoen would love Hooker's overall profile. The fact that he has familiarity with Hyatt is a bonus. If you can swing a deal for Hooker for #47, which I don't think is too rich, you can then go after Nabers or Odunze at 6. Hooker's non-injury grade would probably at least be in the neighborhood of Maye and McCarthy. Remember Hooker in 11 games in 2022...3100+ yards passing, 69.6% completion, 27 TDs vs just 2 INTs, and ran for over 400 yards and 5 more scores. If you can't get excited about his potential, I'm not sure if you have a pulse. I do think that perhaps a 2025 late day 2 or early day 3 pick might have to be included in the deal to get it done, and still, I would do it.
Diff than Maye, more like Daniels (better thrower), would be what we want McCarthy to become minus the injuries.
He has a helluva a lot of experience and he was lethal for Tenn. He can rifle it and was a legit 1st round consideration going into last draft before the injury.
Joe Milton who took over for him might have the biggest arm, size and athleticism profile in this draft. He couldnt do with that Tenn offense that Hooker could. Hes as good a prospect as Penix but more mobile.
People hear “major announcement” and the -first- thing people think of is Hendon Hooker? Not trading up to the first pick? Or the second pick? Or a major star? But…Hendon Hooker? The fuck?
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I thought the objective was to get a better quarterback
People hear “major announcement” and the -first- thing people think of is Hendon Hooker? Not trading up to the first pick? Or the second pick? Or a major star? But…Hendon Hooker? The fuck?
Hooker trade would not be the major announcement. It would be Goff signing a deal bigger than what Cousins just signed.
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imagining a trade goes down and the Giants get Hooker. Someone tell me how I should feel, I don’t know much about him other than he dropped due to injury. Is he as good of a prospect or better than Maye, Daniels or McCarthy?
Diff than Maye, more like Daniels (better thrower), would be what we want McCarthy to become minus the injuries.
He has a helluva a lot of experience and he was lethal for Tenn. He can rifle it and was a legit 1st round consideration going into last draft before the injury.
Joe Milton who took over for him might have the biggest arm, size and athleticism profile in this draft. He couldnt do with that Tenn offense that Hooker could. Hes as good a prospect as Penix but more mobile.
Milton has tools but is a major project. One read passer who really, and I mean really struggles when that read isn't there.
The less surprising news would be Fields to NYG. And again, I still wouldn't hate it. I think Daboll wants to get a QB with some tools that he can refine. Fields has that. If you think Fields is at his ceiling, then it's a troubling notion. I don't necessarily think that's true, though. Fields has real deep ball touch, and we all know about the ability to make plays happen with his legs. For Fields, Daboll will probably try to tailor the offense around his strengths while trying to refine the more advanced quarterbacking elements of his game. The upshot is that Fields probably costs less than Hooker. But you look at Fields, he only had one year with really one bonafide weapon in D.J. Moore.
It's a really super interesting proposition to think about. What could Daboll do with Justin Fields, Hyatt, a Nabers or Odunze, then perhaps Trey Benson in the 2nd round, or Blake Corum in the 3rd?
If it doesn't pan out, you still have Lock and should have ammo with next year's picks to pivot... Shedeur Sanders? Maybe Carson Beck? You can make an argument that while the QB crop might not be as deep at the top, the ceiling is at least comparable, maybe even with safer floors.
The more I think about it, the more I like an unconventional play that brings in an unrefined talent such as Hooker or Fields with the insurance of making a play at the top of the draft next year for a QB.
I have issues with Maye, McCarthy, Penix, and Nix...even Daniels, who I really like, but for the latter it's so unlikely he'll be in play for NYG. If you want a guy who has a good chance to actually make some noise in 2024 for this team...I feel better about that guy being Fields or Hooker than I do about anyone in this class outside of Daniels.
And Williams? Not in play anyway, most likely, and if he was, I'd steer clear...no divas here.
If you're Daboll, and Fields, Hooker, and Maye, McCarthy, Penix, and Nix are all potential options, how far apart are these guys? Do you, the QB guru, have similar confidence in the 2 former QBs to get great outcomes from as you do one of these rookies, who will be more expensive in terms of draft capital?
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I thought the objective was to get a better quarterback
People hear “major announcement” and the -first- thing people think of is Hendon Hooker? Not trading up to the first pick? Or the second pick? Or a major star? But…Hendon Hooker? The fuck?
I read it major announcement and the Giants were involved … as something major happens and that means it affects the Giants on the side. That would imply Hooker. Don’t think we are the major announcement right?
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I thought the objective was to get a better quarterback
People hear “major announcement” and the -first- thing people think of is Hendon Hooker? Not trading up to the first pick? Or the second pick? Or a major star? But…Hendon Hooker? The fuck?
I think that's because of the Hyatt post. And it would be a major move. Just look at the tools. A year ago, he was a prospect with a torn ACL but a cannon of an arm at 6'3" nearly 220 lbs with 10.5" hands. Why wouldn't you be intrigued with what this kind of player could become under Daboll's tutelage? Physically, his profile is better than McCarthy, Daniels, or Nix. He's more athletic than Maye.
I think it's a longshot because if I'm Detroit, why would I not want to keep Hooker another season to develop him with Jared Goff entering the final year of his deal? The only answer is that maybe they think they can draft a difference maker with the extra 2nd that would put them over the top.
But even then, if you do this, you are locked into Goff and you're extending him, which may be their thought process anyway. But they have nobody but Hooker behind Goff, so they would need to sign someone. But Hooker without that injury goes at least a round higher last year, putting him at latest in that late first, early 2nd round status. This is not a QB that is without compelling traits.
But given the situation, if there really is smoke to this, I think Fields is more likely if the Giants pivot away from this rookie class.
McCarthy sitting there at 6 is even questionable when I could give up a day 2 for Hooker who I really liked last year.
No it doesn't make sense
Really just a giess based on Hyatt's tweet. I would be way more surprised if it happened.
Whatever, I just ran with a guess.
Really just a giess based on Hyatt's tweet. I would be way more surprised if it happened.
Whatever, I just ran with a guess.
Allen maybe signed off to be close to his movie star girlfriend?
Im dreaming I know I know.
That would be big!
That would be big!
Yes it would! The Chargers still have some work to do with their money situation, Bosa, K Allen Even though he restructured, maybe Mack.
If something huge is being announced, a trade would seem to be a more likely thing than a contract extension. Draft picks or a player trade, maybe even a combo of the two.
No, no ... i was not referring to Herbert. I didn't mean that the Chargers were the only one to potentially be involved in a trade. I just brought up some of those guys as possibilities.
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Makes him untradeable. That’s not happening.
No, no ... i was not referring to Herbert. I didn't mean that the Chargers were the only one to potentially be involved in a trade. I just brought up some of those guys as possibilities.
It wasn’t aimed at you. A Herbert trade was mentioned earlier in the thread.
The only thing I can think of, is Jared Goff hetting a long term extension and maybe the Lions are open to trading for Hendon Hooker... Which I called ridiculous. The Hyatt-Hooker combo at Tenn is what I am obv going on.
If so, I would have to eat major crow for oo pooing the idea another poster raised in the last few weeks.
That wouldn't be a major move at all..
I just don't see that happening. They seem hellbent on a WR. Going down outside the top 10 means they are out on all the top WR.
Let's see what happen tomorrow.
That's the only news I wanna hear.
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rumors that the Giants & Patriots are talking a deal from 6 to 3 in round 1.
Let's see what happen tomorrow.
That's the only news I wanna hear.
+1
While not my first choice, the Hooker thing does make some level of sense when you break it all down. NYG liked him last year, Detroit May no longer feel they need him as insurance, maybe the Giants have worked every angle to get up to the top 3 for one of Williams, Maye or Daniels and know they can’t. Regardless of his age, and what seem May feel about him based on the college uniform/a he wore, Hooker would represent a viable near and long term option at QB to finally separate from Jones.
Everything has a price. But it would imply the Giants 2nd to Detroit. A 3rd prob wouldn’t be enough to do it.
This would be an intriguing play for Schoen. It would be an interesting vote of “no confidence” in the top 4 QBs from a real GM with skin in the game.
Only way Lions would trade if if the Giants gave up a 2nd for him.
No rumor behind it but feel thats the eeboot button to hit.
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I thought the objective was to get a better quarterback
People hear “major announcement” and the -first- thing people think of is Hendon Hooker? Not trading up to the first pick? Or the second pick? Or a major star? But…Hendon Hooker? The fuck?
It would have to be top 3.
They trade a day 2 pick for a QB they liked last year but remember Hyatt was dropping which wasn't expected so Giants might have wanted to draft Hooker in 3rd round if that wasn't picked before then.
Basically taking Giants out of a QB selection at #6 would be HUGE news to our offseason.
No rumor behind it but feel thats the eeboot button to hit.
That would be perfect for the Giants. They'd be assured of getting one of Maye or Daniels in that case with a slight trade up from 6 to 4---a deal the Cards would be amenable to doing with the Giants with MHJr gone and the Cards assured of getting one of the other two top remaining WRs from the first tier in Nabers or Odunze. Ossenfort and Schoen's deputy Cowden are buds from Tennessee, so that will assuredly help. I also have a feeling that Jayden Daniels goes second to the Foreskins, leaving Drake Maye to the Giants (their top option at QB from this class based on scouting trips this past season).
1) Fields to the Giants wouldn't be a major move and in fact would be a desperation move. I hate using stats as a proof positive of an opinion (as many things can play into those) BUT, Fields stats are very much like Daniel Jones's stats.
In fact, those stats in some way are actually worse than Jones's stats especially when it comes to yards, TDs via the air. Jones is bottom tier already in points generated through the passing game so to find another QB with even less points through the passing game is truly ugly..
The only 100% true advantage Fields has over Jones is running and even that isn't as wide a gap as you would think.
Fields to the Giants is NOT a major announcement at all.
2) I do think something is up for a major announcement outside of the Gmen that could affect where the Giants go draft wise.
Justin Jefferson could be a major player piece to some team looking to add that last potential piece for a SB run. Teams that come to mind:
Cincinnati
Kansas City (they are looking to 3 peat)
Buffalo (tough cap spot though)
San Fran (if they move Brandon Ayiuk)
Teams That would be attractive from a Draft Pick situation:
Las Vegas Raiders
New England (JJ and Minny's 1st could get them to #3)
Arizona (same as the New England point)
Washington (they are looking to make a splash)
LAC- Herbert's deal is untradeable right now, but a restructured deal could then be moved with JJ coming to the Chargers for Herbert with Minny's 1st this year and next year included. That would be an all-time epic deal. (UNLIKELY FOR SURE THOUGH)
There are a few other references to moves that would leave us with McCarthy, Hooker and even the thought of moving up to #1 for Caleb.
I did stumble upon this twitter account though. I thought it was noteworthy because the guy who basically broke the Brian Burns news days before free agency opened has the BBI handle Rickey213 as in Rickey with an "e". Is this an asshat hiding in plain sight?
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wasn't directed at anybody- it keeps coming up about Fields.
If he is part of a trade, they would tell him he was being traded (maybe where) and more to come when it is announced. I doubt they would sit down and go over the details before it was done.
Y28 - thanks for the info. Your track record is solid, so appreciate the information, major announcement today or not.
I’ve been told for a while we’ve explored trading up. You can gather that from some national beats. Sometimes you don’t need an asshat to confirm, there’s too much smoke around this to not have legs. Doesn’t mean it will happen though.
Logically, the Giants exploring a top 3 trade really means they’re talking with NE. Chicago is taking Williams, Washington is taking Daniels and the in division tax would be brutal……
If NE doesn’t love Drake Maye (and there’s some reason to doubt that they do) things are gonna get interesting. Real interesting.
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But I had simply added that the Fields rumor was also out there. Not really saying any more than that.
wasn't directed at anybody- it keeps coming up about Fields.
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there could be a1q Fields+ to NE for them to drop to 9. Chicago set up for Williams and MHJ.
No rumor behind it but feel thats the eeboot button to hit.
That would be perfect for the Giants. They'd be assured of getting one of Maye or Daniels in that case with a slight trade up from 6 to 4---a deal the Cards would be amenable to doing with the Giants with MHJr gone and the Cards assured of getting one of the other two top remaining WRs from the first tier in Nabers or Odunze. Ossenfort and Schoen's deputy Cowden are buds from Tennessee, so that will assuredly help. I also have a feeling that Jayden Daniels goes second to the Foreskins, leaving Drake Maye to the Giants (their top option at QB from this class based on scouting trips this past season).
The rest is waiting on CHI. they need to move #1 or Fields and that will set off the dominoes.
I am also not sure anyone else has the ammo to get to 4. Don't buy the Jefferson trade.
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
I’ve been told for a while we’ve explored trading up. You can gather that from some national beats. Sometimes you don’t need an asshat to confirm, there’s too much smoke around this to not have legs. Doesn’t mean it will happen though.
Logically, the Giants exploring a top 3 trade really means they’re talking with NE. Chicago is taking Williams, Washington is taking Daniels and the in division tax would be brutal……
If NE doesn’t love Drake Maye (and there’s some reason to doubt that they do) things are gonna get interesting. Real interesting.
Anytime I hear about someone trading in/out of the 3 spot this just plays in my head.
Hate-Love the Drake - ( New Window )
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
I’ve been told for a while we’ve explored trading up. You can gather that from some national beats. Sometimes you don’t need an asshat to confirm, there’s too much smoke around this to not have legs. Doesn’t mean it will happen though.
Logically, the Giants exploring a top 3 trade really means they’re talking with NE. Chicago is taking Williams, Washington is taking Daniels and the in division tax would be brutal……
If NE doesn’t love Drake Maye (and there’s some reason to doubt that they do) things are gonna get interesting. Real interesting.
Maybe not directly, but for some reason or other his tweets still occasionally spread like wildfire.
All I can say is WOW 👀
Stay tuned.”
I think Hooker is a fabulous play, dude is a physical specimen, can really wing it
His senior year in the SEC he:
He led the SEC in pass completion percentage and passing efficiency rating and the NCAA in passing yards per attempt and adjusted passing yards per attempt
I didn't think this was a possibility since the DET backup QB retired but if DET is looking for draft ammo to win now this might be the play. Honestly hope it happens.
I'm here for your timeline
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Does it really make sense? Is Detroit that desperate for a 3rd rd pick? If the like Hooker, why would they move him? They need a backup QB, and he’s cheap. The only way I see them trading him for equal compensation for what they paid for him is if they don’t think he’s that good.
You shouldn't have to delete the thread.
If nothing happens, nothing happens.
Your intentions were clear , you weren't trying to be deceptive.
As Sy has pointed out a number of times, a team outside the top 10 trading up into the 3rd or 4th spot would be unprecedented. The Giants should be able to top any Denver or Minny offer by virtue of having higher picks. Unless Minny’s throwing JJ in the trade…
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
I’ve been told for a while we’ve explored trading up. You can gather that from some national beats. Sometimes you don’t need an asshat to confirm, there’s too much smoke around this to not have legs. Doesn’t mean it will happen though.
Logically, the Giants exploring a top 3 trade really means they’re talking with NE. Chicago is taking Williams, Washington is taking Daniels and the in division tax would be brutal……
If NE doesn’t love Drake Maye (and there’s some reason to doubt that they do) things are gonna get interesting. Real interesting.
No rumor behind it but feel thats the eeboot button to hit.
There is no market for Fields. NE isn’t dropping 6 spots for him.
Thats how I read it.
I’m not advocating for Hooker, but why would raring for him stick us with him for his entire contract? He’s dirt cheap, if it doesn’t work out, move on.
I think this was more of a courtesy visit, and even if he signs, it doesn't move the needle.
Yeah, if can't get QB at 6, why not just stand pat and draft odenze or nabers? Cost controlled WR instead of one that will cost $20million+
That would be pushing the QB plan to 2025. Building the pieces this year to be ready for that 2025 QB I suppose.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
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a trade up to #3 does, as would a trade down to land Jefferson (which would be a shocker given the QB need).
Yeah, if can't get QB at 6, why not just stand pat and draft odenze or nabers? Cost controlled WR instead of one that will cost $20million+
Yep, I'd rather draft Odunze anyway.
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
Can we have a hint on what it is!?!?
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
Can we have a hint on what it is!?!?
wait, you hearing something to?
Do it Schoen - get yer QB!
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
I'm loving this new, unified (from what I've heard), aggressive approach from the Giants. It's like the accumulated mediocre years from Jones/Barkley radicalized everyone.
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
Can we have a hint on what it is!?!?
They’re putting a full court press on NE. They’re gonna force them to say no.
Oh fuck....6 to 3...
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Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
Good work Y28.
Take note BBI
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Ovaltine? A crummy commercial? Son of a Brett!
I think it would be for McCarthy...
lol
Or Maye.
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well looks like they have conviction on either Daniels/Maye. If they hit, will be worth it.
I think it would be for McCarthy...
Oh really.. well ok, if they love him they love him. Got to trust the process.
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
Can we have a hint on what it is!?!?
They’re putting a full court press on NE. They’re gonna force them to say no.
Oh fuck....6 to 3...
oh boy would this be exciting... not sure how true this is but i am on the edge of my seat....
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well looks like they have conviction on either Daniels/Maye. If they hit, will be worth it.
Or Maye.
JJ ?
Don’t know why, Odell is pretty washed up at this point
It's cool. We'll remember Hooker as a Vol.
But Greg's luck. We lose Tyrod and replace him with Hooker...
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Don’t know why, Odell is pretty washed up at this point
Yeah thats not big
But Vikings could still be jumped at 4 or 5 so I doubt it.
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Don’t know why, Odell is pretty washed up at this point
Yeah thats not big
Not football big, but it sure would cause a stir among fans
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Don’t know why, Odell is pretty washed up at this point
I was thinking of starting a Bring Back Odell thread when I saw that he was being cut. Long story short, he's a complementary player instead of a star but his injury history is too scary to take a chance on unless it's a very team friendly deal.
I think all along they wanted to tear it down and build with their guy, but after making the playoffs they coukdnt jist tear down a playoff team
Let's move up and get Drake Maye, and "hopefully" turn this franchise around!
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like Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of Rd 1 picks?
But Vikings could still be jumped at 4 or 5 so I doubt it.
Agreed, Vikings wouldn't do anything until they knew the guy they want would be there at 6, i.e., when giants are on the clock
start making phone calls LOL. we NEED to know! i am dying over here at work refreshing BBI every fucking second.
Maybe Chicago would swap down to 3.
Exciting times
That would mean that Schoen is 100% sure the Commanders are going with Daniels at 2. Seems like a huge leap of faith with more than a month to go...
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not heard myself yet.
start making phone calls LOL. we NEED to know! i am dying over here at work refreshing BBI every fucking second.
Most likely I'd be told not to share it yet, tbh.
What do you think this would "cost?"
Just spitballin' here (not based on anything), but the Jets moved up three spots to No. 3, while sending the No. 6 overall pick, two second-round choices in 2018 year (Nos. 37 and 49) and their second-rounder in 2019 to the Colts.
Maybe it's #6, our second rounder and a first rounder next year?
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not heard myself yet.
That would mean that Schoen is 100% sure the Commanders are going with Daniels at 2. Seems like a huge leap of faith with more than a month to go...
Or that Schoen has the top 3 significantly ahead of #4 and would be okay with any of them
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not heard myself yet.
start making phone calls LOL. we NEED to know! i am dying over here at work refreshing BBI every fucking second.
Most likely I'd be told not to share it yet, tbh.
Jon, you know it's my birthday. All I want for my birthday is a little bit of news to fill my hankering.
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not heard myself yet.
That would mean that Schoen is 100% sure the Commanders are going with Daniels at 2. Seems like a huge leap of faith with more than a month to go...
With Kingsbury as OC, it's pretty close to a sure bet.
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not heard myself yet.
What do you think this would "cost?"
If they're trying to force NE to say no ... next year's #1 and more, and this year's #2. If not, more.
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not heard myself yet.
start making phone calls LOL. we NEED to know! i am dying over here at work refreshing BBI every fucking second.
Most likely I'd be told not to share it yet, tbh.
no, i know. was totally joking. but make some phone calls...
Makes me almost happy that I’m sick and called out today!
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Just spitballin' here (not based on anything), but the Jets moved up three spots to No. 3, while sending the No. 6 overall pick, two second-round choices in 2018 year (Nos. 37 and 49) and their second-rounder in 2019 to the Colts.
Maybe it's #6, our second rounder and a first rounder next year?
At the minimum a 2024 second and 2025 first, but wouldn’t be surprised if it also a 2025 3rd.
Tennessee runs a unique offensive system where the QB is not asked to do a lot.
It is a run-first game plan where the objective is to create one-on-one isolations to exploit downfield passing.
The QB must be strong-armed and be able to make those throws.
The intermediate throws and throws in the middle of the field are not exploited.
The concerns that Hyatt did not show sophistication in his patterns and that he ran a limited route tree are part of the same system that impacts the QB.
There is not a lot of nuance to the game.
The QB does not read the field his throws are designed and set up by previous plays. The QB reads half the field.
To better understand how effective the system is, look at Joe Milton's production when he took over for an injured Hooker.
Tennessee did not miss a beat.
Milton won the MVP honors in the bowl game vs. Clemson.
Joe Milton and Hooker are similar types of players. They are older prospects who have great physical attributes. They had underwhelming careers until they transferred to Tennessee.
Tennessee recruited them as they were perfect for their system.
Both players are projects and will take time to develop.
Is Hooker the QB that we saw at Virginia Tech or the QB that we saw at Tennessee?
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not heard myself yet.
What do you think this would "cost?"
If they're trying to force NE to say no ... next year's #1 and more, and this year's #2. If not, more.
If we give up this year's 1 and 2, and next year's 1, we are pretty much guaranteeing that the new QB won't have a legit #1 WR for a while
Why would the Chargers want DJ?
I also don't see Detroit trading Hooker unless they got #47 at a minimum, which is a lot more than I would want to pay.
My hope as someone said is that this is a trade by another team like the Vikings that simply affects but doesn't involve the Giants.
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plus a swap of #1's for Herbert? They can't afford him anyway
Why would the Chargers want DJ?
To play this year while they get JJ ready
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not heard myself yet.
What do you think this would "cost?"
If they're trying to force NE to say no ... next year's #1 and more, and this year's #2. If not, more.
That’s pretty rich and would require them to play heavy in next years FA market.
If the Chargers trade Herbert (and they won't), I would imagine that it would be so Harbaugh could draft McCarthy.
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not heard myself yet.
What do you think this would "cost?"
If they're trying to force NE to say no ... next year's #1 and more, and this year's #2. If not, more.
I’d say more for sure. Even then, NE may still say no axx sac they are as desperate for a QB as we are.
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not heard myself yet.
What do you think this would "cost?"
If they're trying to force NE to say no ... next year's #1 and more, and this year's #2. If not, more.
Way too much.
I have also read that Peters loves Maye, and would presumably as GM have a greater say about which QB to pick than Klingsbury.
If NE isn’t going QB just stay at 6. Teams that trade up really high rarely win the trade.
I guess this will either make or break Schoen’s career. If he hits he will it will be an incredible accomplishment and if he misses his Giants tenure would go down as one of the worst in Giants history. I don’t like the move up now before draft day. With 2 teams picking ahead you could still get your 3rd choice.
I also don't see Detroit trading Hooker unless they got #47 at a minimum, which is a lot more than I would want to pay.
My hope as someone said is that this is a trade by another team like the Vikings that simply affects but doesn't involve the Giants.
Mahomes had a small frame...Lamar has a small frame. We gotta stop worry about small frame. I get RGIII had a small frame but as long as the QB can be smart about not taking big hits...I don't think it really matters that much.
If NE isn’t going QB just stay at 6. Teams that trade up really high rarely win the trade.
I guess this will either make or break Schoen’s career. If he hits he will it will be an incredible accomplishment and if he misses his Giants tenure would go down as one of the worst in Giants history. I don’t like the move up now before draft day. With 2 teams picking ahead you could still get your 3rd choice.
If Neal is struggling that badly where the NYG are the worst team in football, they'd 100% pull the plug and have Eluemunor play RT. They may do that anyways
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Which I think to move to 3 that’s what it’s going to take. With so many holes and still big questions on the OL giving up next years #1 would be a really big gamble. With Neal at Tackle it could wind up being the #1 overall pick next year.
If NE isn’t going QB just stay at 6. Teams that trade up really high rarely win the trade.
I guess this will either make or break Schoen’s career. If he hits he will it will be an incredible accomplishment and if he misses his Giants tenure would go down as one of the worst in Giants history. I don’t like the move up now before draft day. With 2 teams picking ahead you could still get your 3rd choice.
If Neal is struggling that badly where the NYG are the worst team in football, they'd 100% pull the plug and have Eluemunor play RT. They may do that anyways
Struggling or injured. He’s been hurt the last few years.
I would think yes.
If they can convince AZ to pass on MHjr.
That's my guess. I'm guessing JJ and Maye have similar grades.
Hopefully the HUGE news is a free Big Gulp sized Pepsi on opening day.
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
we don't have a QB why would trade for a WR and then paying him a shit ton before we have a QB make any sense.
Just draft a cheap young WR with 6 if you really want one.
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
why is that "crazy" if they think he is the guy, then he is the guy... maybe you and JS dont share the same opinion on JJ
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
To ensure some team doesn’t trade with AZ I suppose. I’m still skeptical that NE misses out on drafting a QB after trading away Mac Jones.
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This would be a page out of Buffalo's playbook landing Stefon Diggs so Josh Allen had someone good to throw to. Schoen is obviously very familiar with that move. They gave up a 2020 1st (#20), 2020 5th, 2020 6th, and a 2021 4th. Jefferson is better than Diggs ever was/is, so a similar package using #6 overall would be expected.
we don't have a QB why would trade for a WR and then paying him a shit ton before we have a QB make any sense.
Just draft a cheap young WR with 6 if you really want one.
well... for starters he is the best WR in football and still very young lol...
ANY QB could benefit from that. shit tommy fucking cutlets would play better with JJ wide.
Also, if it DID include swaps, maybe giants like Nix/penix and look to make another move to secure nix if they dont think he is there at 11....
If we are targeting Maye, I think we would have a deal in place with NE but can’t execute the deal if Maye is gone.
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Good chance we’re going to see Denver or Vikings trade up to 4. So could also be that. There’s a lot out there about that.
As Sy has pointed out a number of times, a team outside the top 10 trading up into the 3rd or 4th spot would be unprecedented. The Giants should be able to top any Denver or Minny offer by virtue of having higher picks. Unless Minny’s throwing JJ in the trade…
totally agree on this but if it was JJ... a QB is still possible this draft was my point...
that being said, i dont think its JJ
I have said several times both here on to friends if a team in top 3 is selling, giants are buying. they know they need a new face at Q
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
why is that "crazy" if they think he is the guy, then he is the guy... maybe you and JS dont share the same opinion on JJ
Most massive move ups for QBs fail. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust.
The player picked at #6, plus the players we could have picked with the picks we traded, will very likely produce a better return than McCarthy.
After signing Jones to that ridiculous contract, Schoen hasn't earned the right to trade that amount of draft capital for any QB.
But do I think it will happen? Yup, I do. There is too much "internet chatter" that it will to make me believe it won't. But I hope it doesn't.
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not heard myself yet.
That would mean that Schoen is 100% sure the Commanders are going with Daniels at 2. Seems like a huge leap of faith with more than a month to go...
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
I agree with the bold action..trading up for the QB you've identified as your favorite. Personally, I would hope it's not for JJM but, I'm just a fan and don't do this football thing for a living. If JJM is their choice, time will tell whether they got it right or not.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
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And Washington takes Maye? Not a fan of Daniels. Is JJ the backup plan?
I would think yes.
Why would we give up all that draft capital to move up to #3 for JJM? That's crazy.
Agreed. That's why this speculation always came down to Washington's pick, IMO.
maybe they have an equal grade on daniels and maye? or maybe maye and JJ and they dont care what washington does. i mean the only way you move to 3 NOW is
1. you have an equal grade on daniels and maye
2. you have an equal grade on maye and JJ and dont care what wash does
3. you know EXACTlY who wash takes
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep. BBI.
It would be nice to have multiple confirmations
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep13 mentioned he ha heard something.
Stay on the reservation people.
Are you saying you're not a fan of Daniels or you don't think NYG is? Either way, all signs are pointing to Daniels at 2 right now anyways
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep. BBI.
ahhhh understood. He's not on my shortlist of asshats i usually know, but i'll take your word.
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This would be a page out of Buffalo's playbook landing Stefon Diggs so Josh Allen had someone good to throw to. Schoen is obviously very familiar with that move. They gave up a 2020 1st (#20), 2020 5th, 2020 6th, and a 2021 4th. Jefferson is better than Diggs ever was/is, so a similar package using #6 overall would be expected.
we don't have a QB why would trade for a WR and then paying him a shit ton before we have a QB make any sense.
Just draft a cheap young WR with 6 if you really want one.
I don’t think Schoen and Daboll agree with you that they don’t have a QB
Stay on the reservation people.
The Giants want to make them an offer that makes it hard for NE to say no, so yes it could very well include this years 1 and 2 and next years 1.
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep. BBI.
ahhhh understood. He's not on my shortlist of asshats i usually know, but i'll take your word.
He's right there at the top of BBI asshats. If there was an asshat HOF, he'd be in it!
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
I hope NYG go to #1. 3 would be fine too, but I hope it's for Caleb. Whatever works.
Was thinking if the Giant come away this draft with their highly coveted young stud QB, Schoen can quietly boast he has a defense with 4 legit stars in the front 7, a somewhat talented and young secondary with plenty of upside, (granted we need a safety at least for depth) an improved OL and a franchise young cost controlled QB. Not a bad run since 2021.
ideally nyg could get back a 2025 3rd or 4th too but either way i think this a deal that gets NE thinking if they dont have a QB3 they love.
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But to suggest it would take two #1s plus a #2 is silly.
Stay on the reservation people.
The Giants want to make them an offer that makes it hard for NE to say no, so yes it could very well include this years 1 and 2 and next years 1.
Yep, a premise of making it hard to say no. It would be pricey, but that's the point of being aggressive NOW.
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But to suggest it would take two #1s plus a #2 is silly.
Stay on the reservation people.
The Giants want to make them an offer that makes it hard for NE to say no, so yes it could very well include this years 1 and 2 and next years 1.
I don't think so.
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But to suggest it would take two #1s plus a #2 is silly.
Stay on the reservation people.
The Giants want to make them an offer that makes it hard for NE to say no, so yes it could very well include this years 1 and 2 and next years 1.
I don't think so.
I do, but we’ll see.
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About the FO making draft trades?
He wouldn't, but I believe that's why some speculated about Hooker. Hooker was his QB in college so Hyatt would likely get wind if Hooker was going to be dealt here. But it seems to me Hyatt tweet is incompatible with rumors of a HUGE deal.
He'd have knowledge if he was involved in it. He could be part of the package going somewhere
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But to suggest it would take two #1s plus a #2 is silly.
Stay on the reservation people.
The Giants want to make them an offer that makes it hard for NE to say no, so yes it could very well include this years 1 and 2 and next years 1.
Yep, a premise of making it hard to say no. It would be pricey, but that's the point of being aggressive NOW.
It has to be an overpay as NE has the same need for a QB as the Giants do.
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About the FO making draft trades?
He wouldn't, but I believe that's why some speculated about Hooker. Hooker was his QB in college so Hyatt would likely get wind if Hooker was going to be dealt here. But it seems to me Hyatt tweet is incompatible with rumors of a HUGE deal.
He'd have knowledge if he was involved in it. He could be part of the package going somewhere
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About the FO making draft trades?
He wouldn't, but I believe that's why some speculated about Hooker. Hooker was his QB in college so Hyatt would likely get wind if Hooker was going to be dealt here. But it seems to me Hyatt tweet is incompatible with rumors of a HUGE deal.
He'd have knowledge if he was involved in it. He could be part of the package going somewhere
There could also be some agent gossip, like if his agent is the same as Maye's.
I don't fully understand it, but it does seem to happen a lot. Last year it happened with Carolina around this time, 2021 with SF, and in 2018 with the Jets as you mentioned
Is it possible the Bears re-assess their position given that Fields probably has more value to them than obviously the rest of the league.
They can get a haul from NYG including a future 1. They would still be positioned at 6 and 9 to make out like bandits this year. They get more time with Fields without any additional financial commitment to him and there's still the chance they wind up with JJ, Nix or Penix this year, or they are loaded for next year's QB class.
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
I lived and breathed value charts professionally for 20 years, so I'm a disciple. But I think it was always going to be hard to get New England to move without including a 2025 first round pick. It's not illogical for New England to risk it. The floor is a top 12 pick in 2024 and a top 32 pick in 2025.
But the ceiling is a top 12 pick in 2024 and potentially a top 5 pick in 2025.
I don't think the 39th pick was a huge factor. I don't think New England was going to move for 6/39/47.
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep. BBI.
ahhhh understood. He's not on my shortlist of asshats i usually know, but i'll take your word.
He's right there at the top of BBI asshats. If there was an asshat HOF, he'd be in it!
He's not in The Dudes HOF yet! I have 2-3 names. I'm happy to bring GoDeep in the fold today though.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not sure that it even possible. They just committed big $ to an edge, have minimal cap space in 2024. They’d have to move a whole bunch of money to the future, then pay him ($40m a year) while also not having a definite solution at QB (besides Jones, who they’d likely have to cut to afford JJ) since they traded down.
They’d be better off staying at 6 and getting a WR they won’t have to pay $40m
One can cherry pick examples when
1) Trade up worked, trade up was a disaster
2) Standing pat worked, standing pat resulted back in missing a great player
3) Trading down worked with lots of add’l draft capital and still getting your player, trading resulted in multiple missed excellent / great players
The trade up has the additional risk IMHO that requires high confidence in what the teams ahead of you will do.
Remember the Giants did not trade up for Eli (cost was too high). Accorsi stuck to his guns.
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
Maybe that's why Giants are rumored to be in negotiations with NE. But don't know why AZ wouldn't just draft MHJ, Nabers or Odunze at that point unless MINN was offering a HAUL.
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
Or how about this. Vikings send Jefferson to the Giants for a swap on #11 for #6, and then swap picks with AZ for some other compensation? Maybe AZ didn't want to drop all the way to #11?
Makes more sense they trade Jefferson to AZ. AZ has the cap space and the Vikings are assured the 4th QB.
Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not saying anything for or against the trade, But its an extension for Jefferson this year, 24 cap hit would be no where close to $30 mil, 25 hit would. We have money in 25
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
Forget about Jefferson.
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
So basically it's a bidding war, which as I've said is the worst possible draft strategy.
The only "history" the Giants have trading up for a QB is Eli. I'm not sure I would use that word to describe one instance of something successful that happened 20 years ago.
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
because you seemed to be focused on his tweet when majority of people on the thread are focused on the OP and asshat tidbits
If there’s anything out there, the play is for a QB.
and then draft their own Jefferson, Aiyuk, Ridley, Higgins etc etc
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
because you seemed to be focused on his tweet when majority of people on the thread are focused on the OP and asshat tidbits
Why do you care what Im focused on? And why didnt you call out the other posts that made similar comments that the Hyatt " soon " probably has nothing to do with this..
so thanks.. leave me be..
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
If this is the scenario, you would expect that NYG would also be talking to Arizona. Cheaper to move to 4 than to 3, and better for the Cards to trade down to 6 instead of 11
Forget about Jefferson.
Agreed. If the Giants can’t convince NE to move out of 3, i can’t see any other team being successful either. They question is do they turn to AZ or sit tight at 6.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
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Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
The fact that things have gone quiet would lead me to believe something is getting close. Also that Eric hasn't chimed in AT ALL seems "odd" to me, for lack of better word.
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The rumors are swirling that both Minny AND the Broncos are aggressively trying to trade up with the Cardinals to get JJ, which means the Giants can't stay at 6 if they want any of the consensus top 4 QBs. Ergo, going hard at NE for 3.
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
If this is the scenario, you would expect that NYG would also be talking to Arizona. Cheaper to move to 4 than to 3, and better for the Cards to trade down to 6 instead of 11
Well the prevailing thought would be that they are confident they can get 1 of the guys they covet @ #3, but @ #4 there might be a risk that who they really want wont be available.. So you dont play around.. you get yourself into the position you can go get your guy.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Where do you get the idea Lock was brought in to mentor a young QB? The Giants have coaches to coach him. You think they are entrusting a rookie QB they might be investing multiples 1sts in to a journeyman QB on a 1 year contract?
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not saying anything for or against the trade, But its an extension for Jefferson this year, 24 cap hit would be no where close to $30 mil, 25 hit would. We have money in 25
It's not about having the cap space to fit the deal in. It's about allocating so much $ to a handful of players. It's not good business
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
You aren’t wrong but an elite QB is the antidote. If they trade up for a QB it has to be someone with that type of upside.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
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Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
The fact that things have gone quiet would lead me to believe something is getting close. Also that Eric hasn't chimed in AT ALL seems "odd" to me, for lack of better word.
Eric is rewatching Dumb and Dumber to pick up on all the little things he missed.
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
that would be stupid
We'll see what happens but given the way the Patriots (and GB where Wolf came from) do business, it wouldn't shock me if the Patriots decided that they'd rather have MHJ/Nabers/Odunze + Nix/Penix + more premium draft capital vs standing pat at 3 and taking Maye or McCarthy.
One way to guarantee you get a top rated QB is to get into the top 3.
Surprised, no, but I’d like to keep him. The whole point of getting Burns is to have 2 pass rushers.
Slightly surprised, but the odds of Thibodeaux seeing a second contract here probably went down with the Burns deal.
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Surprised, no, but I’d like to keep him. The whole point of getting Burns is to have 2 pass rushers.
Agreed
Most important is landing a star in round 1. If you have to sacrifice future picks do it. We can mitigate the loss of draft picks and use FA.
Get the player you love. Above all else. It worked in 2004. That 04 team was devoid of talent and coming off a brutally bad 2003 season where the entire process crumbled. They moved picks for Eli. Then crushed the 05 offseason and off they went. It will work now if they hit on this player.
They aren’t trading the pick. If they did, the flexibility would be gone. Caleb Williams is going #1 regardless of who is picking.
Eric is rewatching Dumb and Dumber to pick up on all the little things he missed.
lol, you say that like it's a bad thing...
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Most important is landing a star in round 1. If you have to sacrifice future picks do it. We can mitigate the loss of draft picks and use FA.
Get the player you love. Above all else. It worked in 2004. That 04 team was devoid of talent and coming off a brutally bad 2003 season where the entire process crumbled. They moved picks for Eli. Then crushed the 05 offseason and off they went. It will work now if they hit on this player.
I've thought about this in context of the 2025 offseason. You know who the Giants will have to pay/extend from their 2021 draft class? Basically nobody! So they can use that cash to load up around their (presumed) new QB.
Probably also explains all the rumours about the Giants being concerned about Jones' durability (in context of the injury guarantee).
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
The difference is the Texans did trade up to get him. They still had assists to get a WR. I’d be happy if they got the guy at 6 and win or lose we still have out 1 next year which could very well be #1 overall
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
The difference is the Texans did trade up to get him. They still had assists to get a WR. I’d be happy if they got the guy at 6 and win or lose we still have out 1 next year which could very well be #1 overall
I thought the Texans drafted Stroud at No.2 overall, then traded with Arizona to get Will Anderson.
Are people really that confident?
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Slightly surprised, but the odds of Thibodeaux seeing a second contract here probably went down with the Burns deal.
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Agreed. But that doesn't make it smart, just common and desperate. As I've said, massive move ups for QBs rarely work.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
Not if the trade happens now. Plenty of trade ups happen in March.
What if they dont love Maye or JJM? Or prefer Nix but want to add more draft picks?
There were rumors that some within the organization want to trade back and accumulate a bunch of future draft picks/capital. They want to be able to have the future freedom to target who they want. While I get your point, I get the other point too. This is year 1 of the new regime so if you were going to accumulate future picks then this is the year to do it. They want to play with a full stack.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
oh god... is this really gonna happen? I legit cannot refresh ALL day LOL
Great thread. Thank you to the asshats for giving us gossip.
As far as why they would do it and I know this is probably hard to believe, that roster is in way worse shape than the giants. They are not a QB away from competing. They probably realize that and will take the pics to build the team the right way.
The other reason is they may have a large drop off after Caleb and Daniels and think they can still get a top WR, and additional draft capital, by trading (which is true).
‘Well, we’re waiting!’
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
I wonder if its BBI driving the rumor mill - lol. Tail wagging the dog.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He was browsing BBI and is just re-reposting. :)
Maybe a combo of 6, 47, 70 and 2025 1st for 3, 2024 2nd round picks?
NE basically trades positions with NYG and get our 3rd this year and our 1st in 2025.
Is this possible?
Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I am just not sure I see a massive difference between Maye, McCarthy and a guy like Nix. If they move up, I sure hope they are right.
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Agreed. But that doesn't make it smart, just common and desperate. As I've said, massive move ups for QBs rarely work.
Without digging too much into draft history, I would argue they "work" about as often as just staying put and drafting a QB, or trading down and drafting a QB.
The draft is truly a crapshoot and as a GM, you have to shoot your shot and have some conviction
Like Beane said RE: trading up for Josh Allen:
“If [trading up for Allen] didn’t work out, I wouldn’t be here anyway,” Beane said. “If it does work out, then who gives a (bleep)?”
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Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
Two very reputable asshats have confirmed these rumors. I will believe it when I see it as well because it takes two to tango. I think what we can all take away from this is Joe is doing what it takes to land his guy.
Re-read the OP. And Y28 isn't one to shit stir, if they're sharing something, there's usually at least something to it.
That's how I see it. I've read many times here how people (Chris Simms was one late example) post things simply for "clicks". Well, it worked again.
2 - Corey Webster
3 - Justin Tuck
4 - Brandon Jacobs
Maybe we'd have the same luck again? :)
Maybe a combo of 6, 47, 70 and 2025 1st for 3, 2024 2nd round picks?
NE basically trades positions with NYG and get our 3rd this year and our 1st in 2025.
Is this possible?
I don’t see any way the Giants move up to 3 and keep their 2nd rounder
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Whoever started the rumor is getting exactly what they wanted, attention, leaving everyone here with blue balls
Re-read the OP. And Y28 isn't one to shit stir, if they're sharing something, there's usually at least something to it.
I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
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@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He’s a Giants fan. Most likely saw this thread and is trying to jump in to get credit if it happens. After the throwaway account posted about Burns over the weekend there were a few people like this that jumped on it and tried to pass it off as their own info
GoDeep is a legit asshat
I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
Fair enough, but Y28 knows who the asshats are, which is why I'm saying they wouldn't share info unless they know where it's coming from is legit.
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Whoever started the rumor is getting exactly what they wanted, attention, leaving everyone here with blue balls
Two very reputable asshats have confirmed these rumors. I will believe it when I see it as well because it takes two to tango. I think what we can all take away from this is Joe is doing what it takes to land his guy.
Oh some legit ppl confirmed something is in the works? OK I missed that, was that here or in private?
Starting to get a feeling that whether It was directly or unknowingly indirectly, this stems from fake Twitter accounts…
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I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
Fair enough, but Y28 knows who the asshats are, which is why I'm saying they wouldn't share info unless they know where it's coming from is legit.
then add in godeep this morning saying he got word something "big" is in the works.
I mean there is something there...who knows if it falls through but Y28 surely didn't pull it out of his ass.
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Have any real asshats chimed in? Otherwise I think this is much ado about nothing. I did read the Vikings have been in extensive talks with the Cardinals to trade up, that was from the dude Pretty Rickey. Haven't seen anything else from anyone with legit info. Am I missing something?
Starting to get a feeling that whether It was directly or unknowingly indirectly, this stems from fake Twitter accounts…
I would have thought the same until GoDeep chimed in.
Oh some legit ppl confirmed something is in the works? OK I missed that, was that here or in private?
Yes, see GoDeep's response to Y28 below.
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
GoDeep also mentioned NYG is pushing hard on NE to force them to say no and Schoen pushing all his chips to the center.
I know it sucks because it is huge news, but to keep these guys sharing stuff we need to be reasonable with the expectations of what they share.
I take it you have some inside contacts?
GoDeep didn't mention any sort of timeline either so I'm not sure where the whole "it's happening today" came from
other asshats seem more tapped into NYG themselves.
FWIW Joe Schoen was personally at a few UNC games and talking to the coaches and staff specifically about Maye.
Probably just doing due diligence but I don't know how many Michigan or LSU games JS attended.
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given the Brian Burns trade?
Slightly surprised, but the odds of Thibodeaux seeing a second contract here probably went down with the Burns deal.
They can get out of the Burns deal after 3 years, they also can keep Thibs for 3. They can pick 1 then or if both are playing well you still have a QB on a rookie deal..
The Giants love to pay multiple defensive attackers. They did it in the 80s. Did it in the 00s. They will do it again if the players are worthy. At one point the Giants were paying big bucks to Osi, Tuck, Kiwi and Canty and Bernard. Then they drafted JPP in round 1. They were also fresh off paying Strahan and guys like Robbins.
If Thibs delivers they will keep him.
Good catch, I had the same thought. Biggest question to me is how much does NE like Maye? If at all?
My above comment was supposed to say Houston “didn’t” trade up to get Stroud and didn’t have a high salary QB on the roster.
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It makes no sense.
There were rumors that some within the organization want to trade back and accumulate a bunch of future draft picks/capital. They want to be able to have the future freedom to target who they want. While I get your point, I get the other point too. This is year 1 of the new regime so if you were going to accumulate future picks then this is the year to do it. They want to play with a full stack.
There is such a thing as getting too cute though. They are in just as much need of a QB as the NYG are robbie, if not more. They're starting their rebuild. What better way to do it then with a QB to compliment the new HC and de facto GM Eliot Wolf (son of Ron).
My above comment was supposed to say Houston “didn’t” trade up to get Stroud and didn’t have a high salary QB on the roster.
+1.
Fair, did he allude to anything happening TODAY though?
My above comment was supposed to say Houston “didn’t” trade up to get Stroud and didn’t have a high salary QB on the roster.
It’s irrelevant that the giants have a high salary QB on the roster. He’s gone within the next 12 months
No. That’s a penalty assessed to the Eagles, not awarded to the Giants
My above comment was supposed to say Houston “didn’t” trade up to get Stroud and didn’t have a high salary QB on the roster.
If you get a great QB no amount is too much. If he turns into a pro bowler nobody will look back and complain about an extra first round pick.
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@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
exactly what I was thinking
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Evan Tarracciano
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
exactly what I was thinking
He then quickly backtracked when pressed, stating he was just referring to info that’s already out there about trying to move up. He’s full of it.
yup.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Then you take another swing in two years.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Helluva way to go through life
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Helluva way to go through life
A football draft isn't life.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Helluva way to go through life
"Fat drunk and stupid is now way to go thru life son."
My sense is they have been talking for weeks in what NE might be willing to take and perhaps the answer from NE has been not interested. The latest information last/night today may suggest that the Giants are going all in an offer that would make even harder for NE to say no.
If their decision is still no, at least the Giants tried and then can move onto their next draft plan, whether that's try to guarantee a 4th QB with a trade to AZ or LA, or sit tight at 6.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Helluva way to go through life
A football draft isn't life.
I agree that the draft is not life. So the risk of not hitting on a QB is not life threatening. Someone might get fired but that's it.
We have to try to improve and can't be overly concerned with failure.
ajr said Schoen is trying to get to 3.
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Anything of substance since the OP? Hard to go through all these pages of posts.
ajr said Schoen is trying to get to 3.
Thank you, sir.
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Anything of substance since the OP? Hard to go through all these pages of posts.
ajr said Schoen is trying to get to 3.
Thank you, sir.
Might not happen today, this week, or month, but it could…
I mean, I guess we'll see, right? That seems to be the crux of the rumor, so it'll either happen or it won't. Any objection to discussing it the same way we would any other rumor?
I think keeping all picks this year and trading up in every spot possible to get your guy would be the way to go. For instance, if they love a particular wr who slides to the end of rd 1 or beginning of rd2, trade up for him. If Benson slides to the end of rd2 or beginning of rd3, trade up for him.
I have faith in Dabka getting a rookie qb to perform well, we all know they are good at making it easy for qbs (see dj in 2022). So it's not too far fetched to imagine a scenario in which we exceed expectations after a huge offseason and with a much easier schedule.
This, and obviously hitting on the qb pick, would make trading the 2025 1st look like highway robbery for the 3rd pick. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
Keep up the reverse psychology, I think it's working.
Well that settles it
I know it sucks because it is huge news, but to keep these guys sharing stuff we need to be reasonable with the expectations of what they share.
100%. Just because a trade doesn’t happen doesn’t mean the asshat was wrong. Things change. Schoen could be working hard on NE to trade the pick, but at some point, the cost may become too rich. That doesn’t make the poster wrong.
I’m on vacation in Aruba and I cannot stop hitting the refresh button. This is like digitally crack 😂
It really is true. Think about it, the Giants gave up nothing to draft the likes of Dave Brown and Jones--they used one pick each time on each player. Both failed. Everyone cared. NY gave up 3 additional picks for Eli. No one cares.
Would it benefit either team to finalize a trade without seeing who Washington takes?
Remember, Schoen and Baalke set the Banks trade up days prior.
NE isn’t going to tip their hand on who they like; maybe they secretly love Nix or Penix and want to trade down after squeezing extra picks out of the Giants or someone else.
For a lot of different reasons I don’t think you would see an imminent trade.
Schoen’s persistence does tell me he wants a top 3 QB and is either ok with multiple guys or he’s very confident in the top 2 picks and who will be there at 3.
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bruh....
Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?
That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.
Would it benefit either team to finalize a trade without seeing who Washington takes?
Remember, Schoen and Baalke set the Banks trade up days prior.
NE isn’t going to tip their hand on who they like; maybe they secretly love Nix or Penix and want to trade down after squeezing extra picks out of the Giants or someone else.
For a lot of different reasons I don’t think you would see an imminent trade.
Schoen’s persistence does tell me he wants a top 3 QB and is either ok with multiple guys or he’s very confident in the top 2 picks and who will be there at 3.
It benefits the Giants to get it done to eliminate all doubt from another team trading up.
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Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Then you try again until you get one. Not trying is just as bad as sticking with what isn't working which is exactly what the Giants have been doing for a decade now. The team itself and the fanbase need to get over this fear of failure and fucking do everything and anything to get it right.
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If the Giants get a stud QB, no one is going to give a fuck about what we gave up.
Ok, but to be fair, if they give it up and DON'T get the stud QB a la Carolina last year, then what?
Then you take another swing in two years.
Exactly. Keep swinging every COUPLE years, not every 5.
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Schoen has no choice. Minnesota is lurking and will likely make a huge offer to 4 or 5. If Schoen sits tight, he'll be shut out of the top 4 QBs.
Who is to say Minnesota isn't also trying to get up to 3.
It would cost Minnesota three first round picks to get up.
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sounds like Joe has gone into full panic mode because Minnesota and Denver might be trying to leapfrog us. So he has to get to three to leapfrog them after they leapfrog us. And all of this is apparently for JJM.
Did you say that Ernie was panicing in ‘04?
That is my easy reference point. At the time I was good with Big Ben or Sean Taylor (albeit positional value was a concern), but hands down that trade worked. So I’m all for the GM going all in if they have a conviction. Getts conviction with no trade being necessary for DJ has failed. So I am of the opinion that you can’t sit back and hope DJ and good grief definitely ot thinking we can strike lightning in the bottle with Lock.
Yes, I was opposed to the trade. I wanted to stay at #4 and take Ben R. or Sean Taylor (RIP). And an argument can be made that would have been the right decision since Ben R. had a career that was as good as Eli's. We would have also had all those draft picks we traded. Of course, I'm not sure Ben R. would have worked in New York with all the hyper scrutiny from the media. But since Eli was instrumental in helping us win two Super Bowls, I agree the trade worked.
That was a very rich draft class that also included Rivers, who had an excellent career as well. I don't think Williams, Maye, Daniels, or JJM are anywhere near Eli, Ben R., or Rivers as prospects.
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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!
One man's panic is another man's thoughtful aggression.
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That's hilarious.
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This is almost as good as Mar Camel
It feels like nobody really knows what the Giants' QB board looks like. I'm hoping Schoen and Daboll have their eyes on at least 3 QBs they like and are ready to draft one instead of waiting around. We can all debate the right QB pick for 2024, but ultimately, they're the ones with their jobs on the line. They know that if they mess up the QB evaluation, they could be out of a job. It's rare for a GM and HC to get a second chance in the NFL.
@kbrooksseattle
Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting
Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks
Let's say Daniels is their guy. What if Washington changes its mind in the next 5 weeks? Same story if Maye is their guy. I think it would be kinda weird for a team to make a dramatic move because they want Daniels or Maye.
I know theoretically that would be fine if you had a tight grade, but my instinct is that normally you make an aggressive trade like this to "GET WHO I WANT" not "GET WHOEVER WASHINGTON PASSES ON OF MY TWO FAVORITES"
@kbrooksseattle
Former #Bucs LB Devin White and #Giants LB Isaiah Simmons are set to visit the Seahawks this Friday in a joint meeting
Both of those LBs are former 1st round picks
This sounds awesome...
Whoever can tackle who gets the job... or perhaps a solid arm wrestling match for a contract?
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Hey, it's Whole Cogan!
HA. That's pretty much how I pronounce his name to my toddler.
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I hope all this chatter is BS.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
If it lands us a franchise QB, so be it. And good.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
Sure sucked giving up that 2005 1st round pick to get Eli...
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Not if Mara's opining influenced that decision. Then he realized it after this year and is letting Schoen and Co do what they want without influence of the owner.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Did you watch last year at all? Between poor play and injuries, there's no excuse not to, and this is coming from someone who WAS a Jones fan and wanted it to work here. Realize the mistake, rip the band-aid off and get the right QB in here.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
Two major injuries tend to change perceptions quickly.
Some trade up home runs (Mahomes, Josh Allen), but a lot of busts, especially trading into the top 5.
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And as someone, or multiple people mentioned, no one gives a f about the picks given up for Eli. If the Giants give up next years one for Maye or JJ and they bring home a Lombardi, or several, no one will care which picks were given up down the road.
I mean... it would have been nice to have Shawne Merriman, but I guess two super bowls was worth it.
Ha, I suppose watching his little sack dance for a couple seasons would have been worth giving up the two Lombardis ;-)
Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?
I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.
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Is it? Or the Eagles getting caught tampering?
He specifically mentioned in regards to the trade
I swear some of you are so risk averse that you are afraid of your shadow.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
because next years one is no guarantee of anything. In business when you make mistakes you have to pivot quickly to a solutions... a sunk cost is a sunk cost..
If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.
"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.
I’d just much rather stay put or even trade down, given all the other holes in the roster. The Drew Lock signing MIGHT allow the QB selected to be day 3.
Disagree, don't "settle" for the Day 2 or 3 guy and hope you can mold him into helping you be competitive for the division title. Swing for the fences and get the guy you know can run your offense to perfection and compete for the Lombardi. If they don't identify either of these guys as that, then fine, stay put or trade down. But, all indications point to them identifying at least 1-2 of them as being "that guy".
Accorsi stood his ground and didn’t give up a King’s Ransom for Eli and waited / gambled and got a better deal. And Eli was much lower risk than the 2024 QBs IMHO.
Schoen needs to follow the Accorsi method and wait.
If we trade our 2025 1 and go all in on this year with trade ups, trades and signings there's no reason why we couldn't compete for the playoffs with an easy schedule. Look at the Texans last year. They traded their 2024 1 to AZ in the tradeup for Will Anderson Jr. AZ expected a top 12 or better pick but all the moves the Texans made plus an easy schedule led them to the playoffs and left AZ with pick 26 this year.
"The Houston Texans traded away the No. 12 and No. 33 selections in 2023, plus a 2024 first-round pick and 2024 third-round pick for the No. 105 selection and right to take Will Anderson Jr." This was called the worst move of the offseason by many pundits but it paid off for them. That was from 12 to 3 though, I imagine we could trade pick 6, 2025 1st and 2025 3rd for 6 to 3.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the Giants' 2021 draft class was so bad, there's basically going to be no homegrown players up for extension other than maybe Ojulari (even he is a longshot). They'll have a good bit of cash next year to spend in FA to cover gaps.
But what's different now from then is that you don't have a player openly stating he doesn't want to be in the city that has the pick you want.
Plus for the Giants, don't they want to see who Washington takes?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if it happened now, just seems unlikely.
Plus for the Giants, don't they want to see who Washington takes?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if it happened now, just seems unlikely.
They probably have a good idea who Washington is interest in, and its very possible that they have the players closely graded together, where they would feel comfortable with more than one player.
Plus for the Giants, don't they want to see who Washington takes?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if it happened now, just seems unlikely.
If they have Maye and JJ as their list then #3 guarantees them of getting one of these two and likely having the choice between them. They aren't going to #1 or #2 in their minds, so why leave #3 open for some other team to outbid them at the last minute
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like this happens until right before the draft or on draft night. Just too much uncertainty as to who Washington will take, and what's the benefit for NE of doing it now rather than waiting and squeezing the Giants as much as possible?
Plus for the Giants, don't they want to see who Washington takes?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if it happened now, just seems unlikely.
If they have Maye and JJ as their list then #3 guarantees them of getting one of these two and likely having the choice between them. They aren't going to #1 or #2 in their minds, so why leave #3 open for some other team to outbid them at the last minute
And if the Pats have Nix rated highly they could take Nix at 6 or take Odunze/Nabers and make a big trade up for Nix, which if they really like him then they don't risk it imo.
Accorsi stood his ground and didn’t give up a King’s Ransom for Eli and waited / gambled and got a better deal. And Eli was much lower risk than the 2024 QBs IMHO.
Schoen needs to follow the Accorsi method and wait.
1. No rookie payscale so different world then and 2. We can absolutely stay at 6, and risk someone jumping us in the process. You don’t know what the price would be so being against it is strange.
Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I still have my guard down until this
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I still have my guard down until this
Are you expecting confirmation they are trying or that a deal will be successful?
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Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I still have my guard down until this
Are you expecting confirmation they are trying or that a deal will be successful?
anything really. Kind of like the lead up to Burns.
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Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I still have my guard down until this
Dude, your foursome needs some replacements.
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Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I still have my guard down until this
Dude, your foursome needs some replacements.
No doubt. Those are all great insiders. GoDeep is right there with them.
Did we get any confirmations?
Meanwhile, Sam Howell was just traded to the Seahawks.
Did we get any confirmations?
Meanwhile, Sam Howell was just traded to the Seahawks.
I'd imagine if a deal was agreed to it'd be a preliminary handshake type of deal and we wouldn't hear about it until Pats are on the clock in t-42days.
The only thing that matters is that they're trying.
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I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Maybe it wasn't Schoen who wanted Jones at all. It was Mara.
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Worried we’ll be hearing of next year’s first rounder, this year’s remaining second rounder plus more being traded away to move up.
I hope all this chatter is BS.
I can’t understand how Mara would even consider letting Schoen trade away next years first after he spent all that money on Daniel jones after 5 years of tape and then the next season is done with him after 5 games. He obviously doesn’t have any eye for qb play.
It seems like the Giants are the new knicks and Mara is becoming the new James Dolan.
However, it’s hard to see James Dolan entertaining trading away next years first when we are likely favorite for first pick in the draft next year.
Not if Mara's opining influenced that decision. Then he realized it after this year and is letting Schoen and Co do what they want without influence of the owner.
THIS. "Buyer's remorse" seems to suggest whoever opened their checkbook.
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like this happens until right before the draft or on draft night. Just too much uncertainty as to who Washington will take, and what's the benefit for NE of doing it now rather than waiting and squeezing the Giants as much as possible?
Plus for the Giants, don't they want to see who Washington takes?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if it happened now, just seems unlikely.
If they have Maye and JJ as their list then #3 guarantees them of getting one of these two and likely having the choice between them. They aren't going to #1 or #2 in their minds, so why leave #3 open for some other team to outbid them at the last minute
Yup.
A: Yeah, that's interesting, because we were actually, when that happened from six to three, we were actually doing a private workout with (Bills quarterback) Josh Allen. Like, literally there in Laramie, Wyoming, Josh is throwing, and Indianapolis traded that pick, and they were three. Again, you don't know what other teams think of the players or who they're going to get. Obviously, there was some inclination that the Jets were going up to get a quarterback at three. So, I think at that position, and I said it last year, it's a different stratosphere. You've got to get around these kids and you've got to get to know them. Until you're able to do that, it's hard to make those type of moves. So, we were still going through our process at the time in Buffalo to get around those prospects. Then once we were comfortable, that's when you make that type of move.
So, again, this is the start. There's a lot of these prospects that it's the first time we're going to get around them, and we're looking forward to it. Free agency will set the table for some of the decisions we make in the Draft. It's an exciting time for us.
Q: You wouldn't make, generally speaking, that kind of move for just one guy, right? Because you don't know what the teams in front of you are doing.
A: That'd be hard to do until you're on the clock. That's a different occasion. I know the Panthers did it last year, and they did it, like, I think the date was March 10. They traded up to one. So, whatever exposure they had to (Panthers quarterback) Bryce Young or (Texans quarterback) C.J. Stroud, whoever their guy was, must have been good enough that they said, 'We got our guy.' And I think that's important, because then if you get around them or you find information out that maybe you're not excited about, you just traded a lot of draft capital to go up to get somebody that now you're uneasy about. So, I think you've got to be comfortable with the film, you've got to be comfortable with who the player is, what the setup is going to be for that player to have success, before you do something like that.
If they only want one guy, the trade happens on the clock if he is there
If they trade up before the draft to 3, its because they are comfortable with more than 1 guy
Yes and I'd imagine it's dependent on what happens from both team's perspective preferences. If reports are true that pick 3 is for sale of Jayden Daniels isn't there, then the Pats go through with the prearranged handshake agreement. If there is an agreement in place, it's probably because both teams would only do the trade if Daniels isn't available (i.e. nyg want Maye not Daniels and NE wants Daniels not Maye). I don't see us trading up to 3 I'd we have equal grades on Maye and JJM, and in that case it would make more sense to trade with AZ or the LAC. Only reason you jump to 3 is for one guy if he's there imo. I predict if Daniels isn't there at 3 then the Pats trade down with us. They would them probably be eyeing JJM, Nix or one of the receivers.
Agreed and I don't think this point is being talked about enough. If NE, AZ and/or LAC want one of the top 3 receivers, they very well may not get them at 11 or 12 because one or both of the other two teams would be ahead of them, as would the Giants, the Jets and Chicago (all candidates to take receivers). This does not even consider. WR needy team like Jacksonville or Pittsburgh trading up with someone like Atlanta or Tennessee to draft a WR. The only time teams have recently come from as far back as Denver and Minnesota to trade up were in 2016, when Philly traded up from 13 to 8 and then 8 to 2, and 2021, when SF traded up from 12 to 3 with Miami where Miami also had 6 overall.
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This makes the most sense and Schoen has alluded to have some handshake / prearranged deals.
Yes and I'd imagine it's dependent on what happens from both team's perspective preferences. If reports are true that pick 3 is for sale of Jayden Daniels isn't there, then the Pats go through with the prearranged handshake agreement. If there is an agreement in place, it's probably because both teams would only do the trade if Daniels isn't available (i.e. nyg want Maye not Daniels and NE wants Daniels not Maye). I don't see us trading up to 3 I'd we have equal grades on Maye and JJM, and in that case it would make more sense to trade with AZ or the LAC. Only reason you jump to 3 is for one guy if he's there imo. I predict if Daniels isn't there at 3 then the Pats trade down with us. They would them probably be eyeing JJM, Nix or one of the receivers.
This makes good sense. Maye is the target. McCarthy is QB3 on NYG board. Plan A. Trade up for Maye. Plan B. Trade to 4 or 5 for McCarthy or stay at 6, draft JJM or a WR.
So if the Giants have a conviction that one of these dudes is an elite QB, you're fine not giving up future capital? I really don't get this type of thinking. Either it boils down to a few things...1) you're completely risk averse, 2) you always think there's something better down the road, or 3) you're a fan of Jones & inexplicably think he can one day be elite.
Yes, there's a chance the Giants move up, draft a QB, & he's a bust. There are no guarantees. But I'm sick of this mindset from some here that trading up & taking a QB is a fools errand. You know what's stupid? Thinking in 2024 that Jones can ever become an elite QB. That ship has sailed. Time to move on. Swing for the fences with a new QB.
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I do not want to give up any 2025 capital
So if the Giants have a conviction that one of these dudes is an elite QB, you're fine not giving up future capital? I really don't get this type of thinking. Either it boils down to a few things...1) you're completely risk averse, 2) you always think there's something better down the road, or 3) you're a fan of Jones & inexplicably think he can one day be elite.
Yes, there's a chance the Giants move up, draft a QB, & he's a bust. There are no guarantees. But I'm sick of this mindset from some here that trading up & taking a QB is a fools errand. You know what's stupid? Thinking in 2024 that Jones can ever become an elite QB. That ship has sailed. Time to move on. Swing for the fences with a new QB.
SF I'm surprised you didn't bring out the old "and I want to sleep with Margot Robbie", you're slipping man :)
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I do not want to give up any 2025 capital
So if the Giants have a conviction that one of these dudes is an elite QB, you're fine not giving up future capital? I really don't get this type of thinking. Either it boils down to a few things...1) you're completely risk averse, 2) you always think there's something better down the road, or 3) you're a fan of Jones & inexplicably think he can one day be elite.
Yes, there's a chance the Giants move up, draft a QB, & he's a bust. There are no guarantees. But I'm sick of this mindset from some here that trading up & taking a QB is a fools errand. You know what's stupid? Thinking in 2024 that Jones can ever become an elite QB. That ship has sailed. Time to move on. Swing for the fences with a new QB.
The Sure Thing Draft Society is as dull-witted as the DJFC.
Schoen has three key assignments in his job right now: find the QB, significantly increase his hit rate on draft/FA personnel and identify and fix mistakes quicker.
If they only want one guy, the trade happens on the clock if he is there
If they trade up before the draft to 3, its because they are comfortable with more than 1 guy
This. My guess is they are fine with any of Daniels, Maye or McCarthy.
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This makes the most sense and Schoen has alluded to have some handshake / prearranged deals.
Yes and I'd imagine it's dependent on what happens from both team's perspective preferences. If reports are true that pick 3 is for sale of Jayden Daniels isn't there, then the Pats go through with the prearranged handshake agreement. If there is an agreement in place, it's probably because both teams would only do the trade if Daniels isn't available (i.e. nyg want Maye not Daniels and NE wants Daniels not Maye). I don't see us trading up to 3 I'd we have equal grades on Maye and JJM, and in that case it would make more sense to trade with AZ or the LAC. Only reason you jump to 3 is for one guy if he's there imo. I predict if Daniels isn't there at 3 then the Pats trade down with us. They would them probably be eyeing JJM, Nix or one of the receivers.
Agreed, but the Chargers at 5 gum up the works. IF the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, this would be a lot easier.
P.S. Thanks a lot Tommy Cutlets...
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I do not want to give up any 2025 capital
So if the Giants have a conviction that one of these dudes is an elite QB, you're fine not giving up future capital? I really don't get this type of thinking. Either it boils down to a few things...1) you're completely risk averse, 2) you always think there's something better down the road, or 3) you're a fan of Jones & inexplicably think he can one day be elite.
Yes, there's a chance the Giants move up, draft a QB, & he's a bust. There are no guarantees. But I'm sick of this mindset from some here that trading up & taking a QB is a fools errand. You know what's stupid? Thinking in 2024 that Jones can ever become an elite QB. That ship has sailed. Time to move on. Swing for the fences with a new QB.
The Sure Thing Draft Society is as dull-witted as the DJFC.
Schoen has three key assignments in his job right now: find the QB, significantly increase his hit rate on draft/FA personnel and identify and fix mistakes quicker.
I think there is something to this view.
Schoen is embarrassed and mad he totally missed it with Daniel Jones (or listened too much to others in the building) and now it is on him. And he has to rectify the mistake asap otherwise he could be finished in the NFL.
The Sure Thing Draft Society is as dull-witted as the DJFC.
Schoen has three key assignments in his job right now: find the QB, significantly increase his hit rate on draft/FA personnel and identify and fix mistakes quicker.
I think there is something to this view.
Schoen is embarrassed and mad he totally missed it with Daniel Jones (or listened too much to others in the building) and now it is on him. And he has to rectify the mistake asap otherwise he could be finished in the NFL.
Whoever you believe is responsible for the Jones contract disaster, the problem needs to be fixed yesterday.
If there is a hot seat at 1925 Giants Way, Schoen should be in it.
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The Sure Thing Draft Society is as dull-witted as the DJFC.
Schoen has three key assignments in his job right now: find the QB, significantly increase his hit rate on draft/FA personnel and identify and fix mistakes quicker.
I think there is something to this view.
Schoen is embarrassed and mad he totally missed it with Daniel Jones (or listened too much to others in the building) and now it is on him. And he has to rectify the mistake asap otherwise he could be finished in the NFL.
Whoever you believe is responsible for the Jones contract disaster, the problem needs to be fixed yesterday.
If there is a hot seat at 1925 Giants Way, Schoen should be in it.
Yes. Oddly I think he may be the smartest in the building and yet he got sucked into the abyss.
What a hole he dug for himself. I wish him well.
Hopefully John saw the light with Jones' terrible play this season & gave Schoen & Dabs the green light to move on.
Hopefully John saw the light with Jones' terrible play this season & gave Schoen & Dabs the green light to move on.
Agreed
Hopefully John saw the light with Jones' terrible play this season & gave Schoen & Dabs the green light to move on.
Yes Maras massive Mancrush on DJ made him a very wealthy man. All the moves made this offseason make it seem like Mara realized his mistake and gave Schoen the green light to take this rebuild to the next level. Examples of this: deeply scouting qb prospects, bringing Lock in telling him he has a chance to start here, interest in Fields, letting Barkley go, trading for Burns with the biggest cap hits on his monster contract in the years DJ would be gone, etc.
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This makes the most sense and Schoen has alluded to have some handshake / prearranged deals.
Yes and I'd imagine it's dependent on what happens from both team's perspective preferences. If reports are true that pick 3 is for sale of Jayden Daniels isn't there, then the Pats go through with the prearranged handshake agreement. If there is an agreement in place, it's probably because both teams would only do the trade if Daniels isn't available (i.e. nyg want Maye not Daniels and NE wants Daniels not Maye). I don't see us trading up to 3 I'd we have equal grades on Maye and JJM, and in that case it would make more sense to trade with AZ or the LAC. Only reason you jump to 3 is for one guy if he's there imo. I predict if Daniels isn't there at 3 then the Pats trade down with us. They would them probably be eyeing JJM, Nix or one of the receivers.
Agreed, but the Chargers at 5 gum up the works. IF the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, this would be a lot easier.
P.S. Thanks a lot Tommy Cutlets...
This narrative is so silly, it ignores the fact we lost 3 games we should have won against the Jets, Bills and Rams...I was rooting for losses too, but enough already. We could have been 9-8 easier than we could have been 3-14...
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In comment 16431959 Trainmaster said:
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This makes the most sense and Schoen has alluded to have some handshake / prearranged deals.
Yes and I'd imagine it's dependent on what happens from both team's perspective preferences. If reports are true that pick 3 is for sale of Jayden Daniels isn't there, then the Pats go through with the prearranged handshake agreement. If there is an agreement in place, it's probably because both teams would only do the trade if Daniels isn't available (i.e. nyg want Maye not Daniels and NE wants Daniels not Maye). I don't see us trading up to 3 I'd we have equal grades on Maye and JJM, and in that case it would make more sense to trade with AZ or the LAC. Only reason you jump to 3 is for one guy if he's there imo. I predict if Daniels isn't there at 3 then the Pats trade down with us. They would them probably be eyeing JJM, Nix or one of the receivers.
Agreed, but the Chargers at 5 gum up the works. IF the Giants were picking 5th instead of 6th, this would be a lot easier.
P.S. Thanks a lot Tommy Cutlets...
This narrative is so silly, it ignores the fact we lost 3 games we should have won against the Jets, Bills and Rams...I was rooting for losses too, but enough already. We could have been 9-8 easier than we could have been 3-14...
Thank you for pointing this out! I just had this convo with my son. We could have been 9-8 if 4 or 5 plays went the other way, possibly making the playoffs.
I really thing Schoen and Daboll present NYG with the right vision and mindset and we need to allow them to build this team with their QB and vision.
They made chicken soup out of chicken shit in 2022. Nobody saw that coming.
In 2023, they get a tough schedule, a bunch of injuries, a coaching strife, win 3 games with an undrafted QB, 3 kickers, 18 different OL combinations and were 5 plays from being a winning team. Fans sometimes don’t know what they are looking at and why a team isn’t winning or can’t see positives in the midst of losing.
Hopefully John saw the light with Jones' terrible play this season & gave Schoen & Dabs the green light to move on.
I am in this boat. I picture Mara mandating to Schoen “Ok I want you to try to make it work with Daniel but if it doesn’t pan out this year do whatever you want, but I want to give every opportunity to this kid since we screwed him up so much.” I think the same edicts were hoisted onto Reese and Gettleman to make it work with latter stage Eli too.
Jones falls flat in 2023, Giants suck. Mara finally relents against all natural tendencies and let’s Schoen build it his way. I am convinced some internal battle was won by Schoen and Mara has finally handed over the keys.
Moreover, I do not believe Reese or Gettlemen ever wanted latter stage Eli.
Nor do I believe Schoen ever wanted Jones.
Only one person can ensure a player hangs around above and beyond the power of the GM… do the math. A sad sign of dysfunction for this team. I hope this reset signals that is over.
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I will forever believe that Joe had internal pressure-i.e., Mara, John-to lock up Jones. Mara loves Jones to an extent that I find incredibly odd since he isn't that good of a QB & really has done nothing here, absent that WC win vs. a Vikes defense that 'superstar' QBs like Mac Jones carved up in '22. John must like him personally or whatever.
Hopefully John saw the light with Jones' terrible play this season & gave Schoen & Dabs the green light to move on.
I am in this boat. I picture Mara mandating to Schoen “Ok I want you to try to make it work with Daniel but if it doesn’t pan out this year do whatever you want, but I want to give every opportunity to this kid since we screwed him up so much.” I think the same edicts were hoisted onto Reese and Gettleman to make it work with latter stage Eli too.
Jones falls flat in 2023, Giants suck. Mara finally relents against all natural tendencies and let’s Schoen build it his way. I am convinced some internal battle was won by Schoen and Mara has finally handed over the keys.
Moreover, I do not believe Reese or Gettlemen ever wanted latter stage Eli.
Nor do I believe Schoen ever wanted Jones.
Only one person can ensure a player hangs around above and beyond the power of the GM… do the math. A sad sign of dysfunction for this team. I hope this reset signals that is over.
I fully agree with everything you just said GiantTuff1.
I've worked with enough family businesses to have experienced the kind of direct or indirect pressure a family CEO can exert on a companies senior management.
I know an NFL team is not an apples to apples comparison to a private family owned business. Except in this one regard.
It has been my experience that it is IMPOSSIBLE for recently installed senior management to ignore a family CEO when it comes to keeping or letting go certain favored employees. No matter how much autonomy the new senior managers are promised when they're hired they will quickly find out who the protected employees are and there are always protected employees. It's the number one reason new senior management cycles through dysfunctional private businesses.
I don't remember which podcast it was that I was listening to about the trade for Brian Burns. There was a comment made that the Giants have liked Burns since before he was drafted and that they wanted to draft him with the #17 that turned into Dexter Lawrence but the Panthers took him at #16.
I found that to be an odd comment since the senior management and almost of all of their staff who drafted Dexter are gone. I took the comment that the Giants always liked him to mean the 3 Mara's were easy to get on board for the trade and more importantly the contract. When you evaluate the Giants hits and misses in free agency keep in mind that Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell have basically run the Giants pro scouting department.
The Giants co-family ownership has churned through 5 head coaches and 3 general mangers from 2012-2023.
This was from from the Giants website in the Gettleman years:
In his current role, McDonnell evaluates both pro and college players while working closely with general manager Dave Gettleman and vice president of football operations and assistant general manager Kevin Abrams on all personnel decisions and strategic planning.
This is on the Giants website now:
In his current role, McDonnell works closely with senior vice president and general manager Joe Schoen, and assistant general manager Brandon Brown in overseeing all aspects of the player personnel department.
The Giants have 6 directors on their board. The 3 Tisch siblings and 3 Mara's John, Susan and Chris, Susan (Mara) McDonnell is the 2nd oldest Mara sibling and the Giants have seeded their media friends that Tim McDonnell is in line to be the Giants next CEO when John decides to give it top.
I don't envy Joe Schoen his Director of Player Personnel, who according to the Giants org chart reports to him while overseeing all aspects of the player personnel department, is the son of one of the Giants six board of directors owners and next in line to be the CEO.
That's a lot of cooks in his kitchen. It's got to get tiring trying to build a group consensus and sell the co-owners on every move he wants to make. If you had to bet on whether Joe Schoen or Tim McDonnell will work for the Giants picking players 5 years from now who would you take? Is there another GM in the NFL that works with owners he reports to and owners who report to him? That's got to be very difficult pressure.
Before Joe Schoen was hired, during what I believe the last time John Mara did an end of the season press conference, he left us with one of his best quotes ever.
“All personnel decisions in this building, and this has always been the case, have been made by the general manager and the head coach.
“Chris is a very skilled evaluator, but he does not have any authority here other than the fact that I will go to him on occasion and ask him about players.
Mara also defended McDonnell, who began with the team as a pro scout seven years ago.
“Tim is probably the most respected guy we have in this building,” Mara said. “Coaches, front office staff, the general manager go to him and ask his advice on players because he is a good evaluator. He’s worked his way up from the bottom and he’s earned his stripes. He does not have any authority here.”
In my experience this is a classic example of a very rich family CEO who is never told no, is never not treated like royalty and inherited his massive wealth, saying how dare you peasants question me about my family.
If I read his quote correctly Chris Mara just inputs his draft grades and pro player evaluations into the Giants "system" except when John Mara asks him for his opinion on NFL and college players and the players on his team's roster.
Meanwhile his nephew Tim McDonnell, the director of player personnel, is the most respected by guy in the building but has no authority even though he's been in his job with 5 HCs and 3 GMs. Nothing to see here except the Giants record since Tim McDonnell joined the Giants front office.
I've worked with enough family businesses to have experienced the kind of direct or indirect pressure a family CEO can exert on a companies senior management.
I know an NFL team is not an apples to apples comparison to a private family owned business. Except in this one regard.
It has been my experience that it is IMPOSSIBLE for recently installed senior management to ignore a family CEO when it comes to keeping or letting go certain favored employees. No matter how much autonomy the new senior managers are promised when they're hired they will quickly find out who the protected employees are and there are always protected employees. It's the number one reason new senior management cycles through dysfunctional private businesses.
I don't remember which podcast it was that I was listening to about the trade for Brian Burns. There was a comment made that the Giants have liked Burns since before he was drafted and that they wanted to draft him with the #17 that turned into Dexter Lawrence but the Panthers took him at #16.
I found that to be an odd comment since the senior management and almost of all of their staff who drafted Dexter are gone. I took the comment that the Giants always liked him to mean the 3 Mara's were easy to get on board for the trade and more importantly the contract. When you evaluate the Giants hits and misses in free agency keep in mind that Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell have basically run the Giants pro scouting department.
The Giants co-family ownership has churned through 5 head coaches and 3 general mangers from 2012-2023.
This was from from the Giants website in the Gettleman years:
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Tim McDonnell is in his second year as the Giants' Director of Player Personnel, having previously serving as the Assistant Director of Player Personnel for two seasons. Prior to that, he spent six years as a Pro Scout for the Giants.
In his current role, McDonnell evaluates both pro and college players while working closely with general manager Dave Gettleman and vice president of football operations and assistant general manager Kevin Abrams on all personnel decisions and strategic planning.
This is on the Giants website now:
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Tim McDonnell is in his 11th season with the Giants and his third as the team's director of player personnel. He was the assistant director of player personnel in 2019-20 before assuming his current position in 2021. McDonnell joined the Giants in 2013 and spent his first six years with the organization as a pro scout.
In his current role, McDonnell works closely with senior vice president and general manager Joe Schoen, and assistant general manager Brandon Brown in overseeing all aspects of the player personnel department.
The Giants have 6 directors on their board. The 3 Tisch siblings and 3 Mara's John, Susan and Chris, Susan (Mara) McDonnell is the 2nd oldest Mara sibling and the Giants have seeded their media friends that Tim McDonnell is in line to be the Giants next CEO when John decides to give it top.
I don't envy Joe Schoen his Director of Player Personnel, who according to the Giants org chart reports to him while overseeing all aspects of the player personnel department, is the son of one of the Giants six board of directors owners and next in line to be the CEO.
That's a lot of cooks in his kitchen. It's got to get tiring trying to build a group consensus and sell the co-owners on every move he wants to make. If you had to bet on whether Joe Schoen or Tim McDonnell will work for the Giants picking players 5 years from now who would you take? Is there another GM in the NFL that works with owners he reports to and owners who report to him? That's got to be very difficult pressure.
Before Joe Schoen was hired, during what I believe the last time John Mara did an end of the season press conference, he left us with one of his best quotes ever.
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“That perception has been created by you [the media] and others and the reality is that in terms of my brother, my brother spends most of his time doing evaluation of college players. His grades go into our system and he participates in the draft,” Mara said.
“All personnel decisions in this building, and this has always been the case, have been made by the general manager and the head coach.
“Chris is a very skilled evaluator, but he does not have any authority here other than the fact that I will go to him on occasion and ask him about players.
Mara also defended McDonnell, who began with the team as a pro scout seven years ago.
“Tim is probably the most respected guy we have in this building,” Mara said. “Coaches, front office staff, the general manager go to him and ask his advice on players because he is a good evaluator. He’s worked his way up from the bottom and he’s earned his stripes. He does not have any authority here.”
In my experience this is a classic example of a very rich family CEO who is never told no, is never not treated like royalty and inherited his massive wealth, saying how dare you peasants question me about my family.
If I read his quote correctly Chris Mara just inputs his draft grades and pro player evaluations into the Giants "system" except when John Mara asks him for his opinion on NFL and college players and the players on his team's roster.
Meanwhile his nephew Tim McDonnell, the director of player personnel, is the most respected by guy in the building but has no authority even though he's been in his job with 5 HCs and 3 GMs. Nothing to see here except the Giants record since Tim McDonnell joined the Giants front office.
This.
I don't think people realize the variety of ways in which the Maras wield authority in the building. When it comes to John Mara exerting his influence, it seems that some fans (and most of Giants state media when they're feeling combative) think that's as simple as suggesting that John Mara is explicitly telling Schoen who to sign/not sign, who to draft, etc.
That's not it and it wouldn't be necessary anyway. Schoen reports to an owner, he has a future owner (and his future boss if he's lucky enough to not get scapegoated first) reporting to him, and another owner who just kind of putzes around the office scouting players and inputting player grades (although I sincerely hope the "system" they let Chris use is the equivalent of Creed's blog from The Office).
I got into it with Carl Banks on Twitter the other day and he was defending Tim, of course. I asked if he thought Tim could be fired for poor performance, should it ever come to that. His only response was that if Tim wasn't great at his job, why did Schoen promote him?
It's a lost cause unless the Tisch family wrests the Maras' toy away from them.