I typically don’t pay any attention to internet chatter relating to the Giants.
But tonight I have seen 3 different posters (all with prior occasional accuracy) predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.
This was followed up by another Giants fan contacting me and showing me a 4th poster predicting a similar major move and actually mentioning it involved the Giants.
For those of you that have read my posts over many years know this is NOT the type of things I speculate on.
However, minutes ago, Giant WR Jalyn Hyatt actually just posted:
“soon…..”
I will not provide the handles of the 4 internet posters and provide them any more notoriety or activity
I can’t say that there is “fire” but I must admit all this has me smelling “smoke”- enough that I thought it was worthy of mention on BBI
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
I lived and breathed value charts professionally for 20 years, so I'm a disciple. But I think it was always going to be hard to get New England to move without including a 2025 first round pick. It's not illogical for New England to risk it. The floor is a top 12 pick in 2024 and a top 32 pick in 2025.
But the ceiling is a top 12 pick in 2024 and potentially a top 5 pick in 2025.
I don't think the 39th pick was a huge factor. I don't think New England was going to move for 6/39/47.
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If it was a move in the draft we would’ve had some asshat clues.
The way BBI asshats were on Burns 70+ hours before anyone else, I'd agree.
So these are internet/twitter rumors, not BBIAssHats right?
GoDeep. BBI.
ahhhh understood. He's not on my shortlist of asshats i usually know, but i'll take your word.
He's right there at the top of BBI asshats. If there was an asshat HOF, he'd be in it!
He's not in The Dudes HOF yet! I have 2-3 names. I'm happy to bring GoDeep in the fold today though.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not sure that it even possible. They just committed big $ to an edge, have minimal cap space in 2024. They’d have to move a whole bunch of money to the future, then pay him ($40m a year) while also not having a definite solution at QB (besides Jones, who they’d likely have to cut to afford JJ) since they traded down.
They’d be better off staying at 6 and getting a WR they won’t have to pay $40m
One can cherry pick examples when
1) Trade up worked, trade up was a disaster
2) Standing pat worked, standing pat resulted back in missing a great player
3) Trading down worked with lots of add’l draft capital and still getting your player, trading resulted in multiple missed excellent / great players
The trade up has the additional risk IMHO that requires high confidence in what the teams ahead of you will do.
Remember the Giants did not trade up for Eli (cost was too high). Accorsi stuck to his guns.
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
Maybe that's why Giants are rumored to be in negotiations with NE. But don't know why AZ wouldn't just draft MHJ, Nabers or Odunze at that point unless MINN was offering a HAUL.
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In comment 16431480 PatersonPlank said:
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Doesn’t guarantee Minnesota getting a top 4 QB, so I doubt it.
All I know is the Vikings are desperately trying to move up, and rumors swirled about them trying to work something out with AZ. My logic is maybe it fell apart, and the 6th is the best they could do comfortably but still have a shot at JJ (who they want).
Or how about this. Vikings send Jefferson to the Giants for a swap on #11 for #6, and then swap picks with AZ for some other compensation? Maybe AZ didn't want to drop all the way to #11?
Makes more sense they trade Jefferson to AZ. AZ has the cap space and the Vikings are assured the 4th QB.
Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not saying anything for or against the trade, But its an extension for Jefferson this year, 24 cap hit would be no where close to $30 mil, 25 hit would. We have money in 25
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
Forget about Jefferson.
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
So basically it's a bidding war, which as I've said is the worst possible draft strategy.
The only "history" the Giants have trading up for a QB is Eli. I'm not sure I would use that word to describe one instance of something successful that happened 20 years ago.
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
because you seemed to be focused on his tweet when majority of people on the thread are focused on the OP and asshat tidbits
If there’s anything out there, the play is for a QB.
and then draft their own Jefferson, Aiyuk, Ridley, Higgins etc etc
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could mean anything. Fans need to stop trying to infer cryptic NFL player tweets. Maybe he is gong to start his training for the upcoming season “soon”
Maybe he is going to pic up his new house “soon”, maube he is going to propose to his girlfriend “soon”. Maybe his new TV is arriving “soon”
“Soon” could mean any damn thing.
i dont think its just a hyatt tweet...did you readt he OP? Did you read a BBI asshat chiming in on this thread?
Why do you assume that I didnt?
because you seemed to be focused on his tweet when majority of people on the thread are focused on the OP and asshat tidbits
Why do you care what Im focused on? And why didnt you call out the other posts that made similar comments that the Hyatt " soon " probably has nothing to do with this..
so thanks.. leave me be..
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
If this is the scenario, you would expect that NYG would also be talking to Arizona. Cheaper to move to 4 than to 3, and better for the Cards to trade down to 6 instead of 11
Forget about Jefferson.
Agreed. If the Giants can’t convince NE to move out of 3, i can’t see any other team being successful either. They question is do they turn to AZ or sit tight at 6.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
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Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
The fact that things have gone quiet would lead me to believe something is getting close. Also that Eric hasn't chimed in AT ALL seems "odd" to me, for lack of better word.
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The rumors are swirling that both Minny AND the Broncos are aggressively trying to trade up with the Cardinals to get JJ, which means the Giants can't stay at 6 if they want any of the consensus top 4 QBs. Ergo, going hard at NE for 3.
I kind of wish the Giants had a strong belief in someone like Penix, but here we are. And while trading up for a QB has backfired on some teams, the Giants have a good history with it.
If this is the scenario, you would expect that NYG would also be talking to Arizona. Cheaper to move to 4 than to 3, and better for the Cards to trade down to 6 instead of 11
Well the prevailing thought would be that they are confident they can get 1 of the guys they covet @ #3, but @ #4 there might be a risk that who they really want wont be available.. So you dont play around.. you get yourself into the position you can go get your guy.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Where do you get the idea Lock was brought in to mentor a young QB? The Giants have coaches to coach him. You think they are entrusting a rookie QB they might be investing multiples 1sts in to a journeyman QB on a 1 year contract?
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Justin Jefferson to the Giants for a swap of 1st Rd picks, possible also sending Hyatt to Minny.
Not enough for Jefferson and I’m pretty sure the Giants won’t add a $30M cap hit right now to their books.
Not saying anything for or against the trade, But its an extension for Jefferson this year, 24 cap hit would be no where close to $30 mil, 25 hit would. We have money in 25
It's not about having the cap space to fit the deal in. It's about allocating so much $ to a handful of players. It's not good business
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
You aren’t wrong but an elite QB is the antidote. If they trade up for a QB it has to be someone with that type of upside.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
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Patiently waiting for that. The Dude is time-stealing from corporate today.
The fact that things have gone quiet would lead me to believe something is getting close. Also that Eric hasn't chimed in AT ALL seems "odd" to me, for lack of better word.
Eric is rewatching Dumb and Dumber to pick up on all the little things he missed.
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
that would be stupid
We'll see what happens but given the way the Patriots (and GB where Wolf came from) do business, it wouldn't shock me if the Patriots decided that they'd rather have MHJ/Nabers/Odunze + Nix/Penix + more premium draft capital vs standing pat at 3 and taking Maye or McCarthy.
One way to guarantee you get a top rated QB is to get into the top 3.