I typically don’t pay any attention to internet chatter relating to the Giants.
But tonight I have seen 3 different posters (all with prior occasional accuracy) predicting an NFL team will be making a HUGE announcement tomorrow.
This was followed up by another Giants fan contacting me and showing me a 4th poster predicting a similar major move and actually mentioning it involved the Giants.
For those of you that have read my posts over many years know this is NOT the type of things I speculate on.
However, minutes ago, Giant WR Jalyn Hyatt actually just posted:
“soon…..”
I will not provide the handles of the 4 internet posters and provide them any more notoriety or activity
I can’t say that there is “fire” but I must admit all this has me smelling “smoke”- enough that I thought it was worthy of mention on BBI
Surprised, no, but I’d like to keep him. The whole point of getting Burns is to have 2 pass rushers.
Slightly surprised, but the odds of Thibodeaux seeing a second contract here probably went down with the Burns deal.
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given the Brian Burns trade?
Surprised, no, but I’d like to keep him. The whole point of getting Burns is to have 2 pass rushers.
Agreed
Most important is landing a star in round 1. If you have to sacrifice future picks do it. We can mitigate the loss of draft picks and use FA.
Get the player you love. Above all else. It worked in 2004. That 04 team was devoid of talent and coming off a brutally bad 2003 season where the entire process crumbled. They moved picks for Eli. Then crushed the 05 offseason and off they went. It will work now if they hit on this player.
They aren’t trading the pick. If they did, the flexibility would be gone. Caleb Williams is going #1 regardless of who is picking.
Eric is rewatching Dumb and Dumber to pick up on all the little things he missed.
lol, you say that like it's a bad thing...
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In comment 16431527 Rudy5757 said:
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Most important is landing a star in round 1. If you have to sacrifice future picks do it. We can mitigate the loss of draft picks and use FA.
Get the player you love. Above all else. It worked in 2004. That 04 team was devoid of talent and coming off a brutally bad 2003 season where the entire process crumbled. They moved picks for Eli. Then crushed the 05 offseason and off they went. It will work now if they hit on this player.
I've thought about this in context of the 2025 offseason. You know who the Giants will have to pay/extend from their 2021 draft class? Basically nobody! So they can use that cash to load up around their (presumed) new QB.
Probably also explains all the rumours about the Giants being concerned about Jones' durability (in context of the injury guarantee).
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
The difference is the Texans did trade up to get him. They still had assists to get a WR. I’d be happy if they got the guy at 6 and win or lose we still have out 1 next year which could very well be #1 overall
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In comment 16431527 Rudy5757 said:
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
If you nail the QB, it erases alot. I'm sure Texan fans thought they had a ton of holes before Stroud showed up.
The difference is the Texans did trade up to get him. They still had assists to get a WR. I’d be happy if they got the guy at 6 and win or lose we still have out 1 next year which could very well be #1 overall
I thought the Texans drafted Stroud at No.2 overall, then traded with Arizona to get Will Anderson.
Are people really that confident?
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given the Brian Burns trade?
Slightly surprised, but the odds of Thibodeaux seeing a second contract here probably went down with the Burns deal.
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In comment 16431539 JonC said:
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In comment 16431527 Rudy5757 said:
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Agreed. But that doesn't make it smart, just common and desperate. As I've said, massive move ups for QBs rarely work.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
Not if the trade happens now. Plenty of trade ups happen in March.
What if they dont love Maye or JJM? Or prefer Nix but want to add more draft picks?
There were rumors that some within the organization want to trade back and accumulate a bunch of future draft picks/capital. They want to be able to have the future freedom to target who they want. While I get your point, I get the other point too. This is year 1 of the new regime so if you were going to accumulate future picks then this is the year to do it. They want to play with a full stack.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
oh god... is this really gonna happen? I legit cannot refresh ALL day LOL
Great thread. Thank you to the asshats for giving us gossip.
As far as why they would do it and I know this is probably hard to believe, that roster is in way worse shape than the giants. They are not a QB away from competing. They probably realize that and will take the pics to build the team the right way.
The other reason is they may have a large drop off after Caleb and Daniels and think they can still get a top WR, and additional draft capital, by trading (which is true).
‘Well, we’re waiting!’
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
I wonder if its BBI driving the rumor mill - lol. Tail wagging the dog.
@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He was browsing BBI and is just re-reposting. :)
Maybe a combo of 6, 47, 70 and 2025 1st for 3, 2024 2nd round picks?
NE basically trades positions with NYG and get our 3rd this year and our 1st in 2025.
Is this possible?
Eric, Rico, Peppers, JonC, etc
I am just not sure I see a massive difference between Maye, McCarthy and a guy like Nix. If they move up, I sure hope they are right.
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In comment 16431527 Rudy5757 said:
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The worse it sounds. We already have a sunk cost in Jones this year and next of $47 mil this year and at least $22 next year. So the rookie QB salary benefit is pretty much gone for 2 years. And if Jones can’t play anymore he gets his injury Guarantee anyway.
Then we bring in Lock to mentor the kid and possibly start initially while the kid gets up to speed. Lock has already failed with 2 teams, doesn’t know the Giants system so really not much help to a rookie other than being a backup.
To me, making an offer they can’t refuse to me is giving up next years #1. How does a team improve on O when you trade away draft assets and have no weapons on O at any skill position? Not to mention no cap money to make a big FA splash and a lack of players in FA worth making a splash. And still have a big question mark at RT or G depending if Neal fails again at one or both.
I just can’t see how a trade like this would make any sense short or long term.
Key losses at RB, possibly TE (Waller), S, CB. Key additions DE, G, G/T and RB.
Presumably, stronger job safety for JS and Davoli is very likely going to be a decision factor.
So we have to massively overpay to move up not because it's in the best interest of the team, but to increase the job security of Schoen and Daboll?
Front offices make these types of decisions all the time, it's nothing new or shocking.
Agreed. But that doesn't make it smart, just common and desperate. As I've said, massive move ups for QBs rarely work.
Without digging too much into draft history, I would argue they "work" about as often as just staying put and drafting a QB, or trading down and drafting a QB.
The draft is truly a crapshoot and as a GM, you have to shoot your shot and have some conviction
Like Beane said RE: trading up for Josh Allen:
“If [trading up for Allen] didn’t work out, I wouldn’t be here anyway,” Beane said. “If it does work out, then who gives a (bleep)?”
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@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He reads BBI. Lol
Two very reputable asshats have confirmed these rumors. I will believe it when I see it as well because it takes two to tango. I think what we can all take away from this is Joe is doing what it takes to land his guy.
Re-read the OP. And Y28 isn't one to shit stir, if they're sharing something, there's usually at least something to it.
That's how I see it. I've read many times here how people (Chris Simms was one late example) post things simply for "clicks". Well, it worked again.
2 - Corey Webster
3 - Justin Tuck
4 - Brandon Jacobs
Maybe we'd have the same luck again? :)
Maybe a combo of 6, 47, 70 and 2025 1st for 3, 2024 2nd round picks?
NE basically trades positions with NYG and get our 3rd this year and our 1st in 2025.
Is this possible?
I don’t see any way the Giants move up to 3 and keep their 2nd rounder
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Whoever started the rumor is getting exactly what they wanted, attention, leaving everyone here with blue balls
Re-read the OP. And Y28 isn't one to shit stir, if they're sharing something, there's usually at least something to it.
I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
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@Roto_Wizard
Hearing something big is in the works for the #Giants today.... hmmm....
He’s a Giants fan. Most likely saw this thread and is trying to jump in to get credit if it happens. After the throwaway account posted about Burns over the weekend there were a few people like this that jumped on it and tried to pass it off as their own info
GoDeep is a legit asshat
I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
Fair enough, but Y28 knows who the asshats are, which is why I'm saying they wouldn't share info unless they know where it's coming from is legit.
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Whoever started the rumor is getting exactly what they wanted, attention, leaving everyone here with blue balls
Two very reputable asshats have confirmed these rumors. I will believe it when I see it as well because it takes two to tango. I think what we can all take away from this is Joe is doing what it takes to land his guy.
Oh some legit ppl confirmed something is in the works? OK I missed that, was that here or in private?
Starting to get a feeling that whether It was directly or unknowingly indirectly, this stems from fake Twitter accounts…
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I am referring to those he’s read it from online, not the poster.
Fair enough, but Y28 knows who the asshats are, which is why I'm saying they wouldn't share info unless they know where it's coming from is legit.
then add in godeep this morning saying he got word something "big" is in the works.
I mean there is something there...who knows if it falls through but Y28 surely didn't pull it out of his ass.
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Have any real asshats chimed in? Otherwise I think this is much ado about nothing. I did read the Vikings have been in extensive talks with the Cardinals to trade up, that was from the dude Pretty Rickey. Haven't seen anything else from anyone with legit info. Am I missing something?
Starting to get a feeling that whether It was directly or unknowingly indirectly, this stems from fake Twitter accounts…
I would have thought the same until GoDeep chimed in.
Oh some legit ppl confirmed something is in the works? OK I missed that, was that here or in private?
Yes, see GoDeep's response to Y28 below.
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In comment 16431251 Y28 said:
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interesting to see so many comments and predictions.
Part of me regrets even posting this, but when the posts were followed by the Hyatt post, I was drawn in.
And just to be clear- Wes Steinberg is a fraud and NO- this has nothing to do with anything he says.
At this point, you would think that some beat writer or national writer would have posted something to add credibility, but so far nothing.
I will leave this post up until Noon, but then it will be gone. I guess, if nothing else, it got a lot of traffic to Eric's site.
In case you missed it, within this post I mentioned two things that are factual:
1. Our new OL Jermaine Eluemunor actually posted that he will be in town today (guessing it will be similar to Burns yesterday).
2. NFL writer Aaron Wilson posted that the Giants are trying to sign DB Chase Lucas of the Lions. Lucas is considered one of the best ST gunners.
Y28. Your instincts are right. Got word something big is in the work. Schoen is pushing his chips to the center.
GoDeep also mentioned NYG is pushing hard on NE to force them to say no and Schoen pushing all his chips to the center.